My theory is that GRRM lied to us and he's actually writing Dream now and he's finishing it first so he can drop the two books at once. MAX COPIUM

@Igor_054

2 жыл бұрын

That is just a wish. It doesn't make sense for George to have Winds ready and not release it. He is under immense pressure from publishers and fans to finish it.

@catmonarchist8920

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe he's going to the end of Dream one character at a time and he's only got one character to go!

@MrHotSalsa

2 жыл бұрын

Keep Dreaming for spring lol

@LincolnMaurice

2 жыл бұрын

It just doesn't stand up to scrutiny

@winterwolf2164

2 жыл бұрын

I’d drink that copium. I’ve felt that way too-but after watching Preston’s video here, more than likely it’s just cut material from Winds that he’ll claim is finished for Dream.

House Stark was wrong. Winter is never coming.

honestly the idea of George being out there like "yes i can definitely get this done before the show catches up", failing to meet that deadline, and just spiraling and giving up after that? biggest possible mood

@victorc8855

Жыл бұрын

lmao as a procrastinator this was almost legitimately uncomfortable to watch

@creed22solar123

Жыл бұрын

and maybe he's disillusioned by season 8, maybe he thinks people didn't like his ideas for the ending but people did not generally hate the idea of that ending but the poor execution by Dumb and Dumber.

@diegocastaneda1016

Жыл бұрын

@@creed22solar123 let's just accept it, the guy has retired and is not expecting to finish the book lol

@velhinho_91

Жыл бұрын

That "before the show catches up" was all fun and games until the producers decided to cut the show short. Martin himself said a few times publicly that the show should've been at least 11 or 12 seasons. But still if that would be the case, we would still be missing two books by now and we would be still waiting on more seasons at this point.

@chandrawagner4061

Жыл бұрын

Everyday of my life

The problem with the gardener method as he calls it, is eventually you need to reap what you’ve sown. He’s spent five books planting seeds and has two books left to reap them.

@Admiral-General_Aladeen

11 ай бұрын

Winds has to be 2 parts if he wants to finish all the storylines and Dream of spring too

@Jake-zk3eb

3 ай бұрын

The guy knows nothing about gardening. He's a shit gardener.

@JohnTorres1987

3 ай бұрын

I’ve planted lots of seeds. Then I paid to reap them for like $500. My pull out game isn’t on point.

@charlesajones77

16 күн бұрын

I think the problem is that the show already reaped it and it was a disaster. People hated what was reaped, so now he has to figure out a different way of wrapping things up.

@august7535

16 күн бұрын

​@@charlesajones77 Not really because the show left out so many important and crucial storylines and so they had absolutely no substance to give us a satisfying ending regardless if the books had been finished or not.

A Song of Ice and Fire went from being George's passion, to George's biggest burden.

@AnimatedStoriesWorldwide

2 жыл бұрын

The guy made more money on this than any writer made on anything else, except maybe, stephen king. The truth is, he retired from writing years ago but fans can't face that this old man just wants to enjoy his millions of $ in peace before he passes.

@stellviahohenheim

2 жыл бұрын

Be careful or GRRM might sell the rights to Disney too

@HeloisGevit

2 жыл бұрын

@@AnimatedStoriesWorldwide I think JK Rowling made more from the Harry Potter series.

@eon5417

2 жыл бұрын

@@HeloisGevit Most definitely. Game of Thrones was popular, hugely popular even, but it didn't spawn eight full length and budget films across multiple directors, a to-scale model of the world at Universal, and billions in toys, merchandise, and spinoffs. JK Rowling was the first author in history to become a billionaire from her work, something which not even George has done. Certainly part of this is the much more mature and less accessible writing behind ASOIAF, but it is still undeniable that Harry Potter is the most popular book series ever.

@shinobi-no-bueno

2 жыл бұрын

@@eon5417 besides the BuyBull

I remember in 2013 I went to my school library and asked them that when they get a copy that I'll be first in queue to take it home. Oh how much of a sweet summer child I was.

@concept5631

Жыл бұрын

Think you're still first in queue?

@sss1029

4 ай бұрын

Now youre a sour child of winter

@GRB-tj6uj

4 ай бұрын

​@@concept5631his children will be

@Derekivery

4 ай бұрын

Maybe by the time your kids are attending the school library will have the book

@twigs4611

3 ай бұрын

@@Derekiverythat or old George will kick the bucket, he’s getting old that fella.

I read the books during fall of 2016 and was so hyped for _The Winds of Winter;_ thought I barely had any waiting to do, and I was thinking, "Damn, those peeps that have been waiting for the next book since 2011 have been waiting literal _ages!_ I cannot imagine what that would be like." Cut to 2022... and I can easily imagine what that would be like!

@finnfeaver1196

Жыл бұрын

haha my uncle bought the first book 2 weeks after it came out and rushed to the book store to buy the second one only to be told hed have to wait~! That man has been waiting for a long time for each subsequent instalment

@DonMadruga72

Жыл бұрын

I bought the books after the series ended hoping to see a better ending and the differences between the two. Like, I saw the series in 3 weeks in a marathon and the final episode was the only one I saw when it launched. I didn't have to wait for the story at all, and now I feel this pain of having to wait for the last 2 books.

@paul-michaelvincent7123

Жыл бұрын

I started reading the books in college. I graduated 25 years ago.

@dersmieper4752

Жыл бұрын

thats what i am thinking right at this moment since I just started reading the books

@darthmalgus232

11 ай бұрын

I’ve never read the books, but I just bought them and they came in today. I have almost all of Brandon Sanderson’s Cosmere books (just started reading the first book of the Mistborn trilogy) and also the first 17 Dresden Files books, so I’ll probably read all of that and just hope Winds of Winter comes out while I’m reading those before I start reading the first book of ASOIAF. Really tempting to read them anyways though.

GRRM reminds me of a former friend in university who just couldn't write his final thesis. Had good grades the whole time there but as soon as he was asked to organize his own stuff and work independantly he completely folded. It took him 3 and a half years to write a thesis that should take 3 months. At some point we were telling him to just write anything on a piece of paper and just send it in to get a mediocre grade and be done. In the end he had a barely passing grade that he honestly could have achieved in 2 months of doing stuff. All of that for a thesis that no one will ever read anyway. At some point, you have to let go of your perfectionism. Getting paralized by fear and not doing achieving anything is way worse than having sub optimal outcome on something.

@alecouto

10 ай бұрын

This is a piece of advice for life

@carlosdumbratzen6332

10 ай бұрын

is this friend of yours me? (though I am still writing). Last semester I finished a seminar paper that took me over a year to finish.

@PurushNahiMahaPurush

10 ай бұрын

lol I took 1.5 years to write my thesis (apart from the 4 months I did actual work for my research) but your friend takes the cake. Mostly because there was no push for me. I was working full time and the school was in a hurry. I only finished it because the school wouldn’t extend my student period anymore. Maybe Martin needs something similar. Not sure what it’ll be.

@porcelainmannequinn549

10 ай бұрын

Could be some sort of an undiagnosed learning problem, cause I'm absolutely the same way, and I recently found that I have adhd ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

@ashishjyoti8177

9 ай бұрын

D&D wanted to just get done with the show for the sake of it, we know how that turned out

Little do we know that George actually has written 2100 words a day for 11 years--The Winds of Winter, volumes 1-21. They are, of course, "one book" merely split into 21 parts--covering the next 2 weeks after Jon's stabbing, and featuring 306 POV, many of whom are horses. The reason he hasn't released anything is, of course, because the book is not technically done--only volumes 1-20 are done. Volume 21 may be finished later this year, though, so here's hoping. This is why he fells sorry for us. We have no idea the bombshell that's about to be dropped.

@evinoge5834

2 жыл бұрын

“Many of whom are horses” it’s too late at night for making me laugh that loud

@brianhourigan

2 жыл бұрын

Chapter 3: The Silky Equine. "The sun meandered through the clouds as it laid itself to rest beyond the horizon. 'Neigh, neigh, neeeeeigh" thought the horse as it's legs grew wearied. 'NEIGH!'...Thoughts of it's youth as a foal in winter fell seaped into it's mind as the column drove on. 'NEIGHHHHHHHHHH,"

@winterwolf2164

2 жыл бұрын

You forgot that at least one of the POV’s is a sentient ham steak that describes the feast in Manderly hall before meeting it’s demise going down Ser Wyman’s gullet.

@malirabbit6228

2 жыл бұрын

If wishes were horses. . . We would be reading and discussing Winds AND Spring .

@annedavis3340

2 жыл бұрын

@@malirabbit6228 I read that as "Winds of Spring" and was very confused 🤣

Whenever I feel like a really bad procrastinator I remind myself that GRRM thought he would have the TWOW done in 2015 and it makes me feel better about myself.

@pyropulseIXXI

Жыл бұрын

Whenever I think my life is bad, I just remind myself that Mexican cartels sacrifice children to their death cult via flaying, gutting them and pulling their intestines out, and dismembering them, all while the victim is alive

@KabbalahSherry

Жыл бұрын

🤭🤣 lmaooo

@r.k.8322

Жыл бұрын

He has to spend his TV show millions, what's your excuse?

@Mr3c2b1a

Жыл бұрын

Ha ha😂

@RenegadeShepTheSpacer

Жыл бұрын

@@r.k.8322 We have real work to do because we don't have TV millions. You walked into that one.

it is absurd how you were exactly on the money with this. George really came out and confirmed half a year later that this is the pace he has been taking with writing the book

@micheleberaudo5629

3 ай бұрын

Where did he confirmed that?

@geriburrito

3 ай бұрын

@@micheleberaudo5629 Yes

@anexpertonthematter1468

3 ай бұрын

​@@micheleberaudo5629 Yes

@jacksonross5941

3 ай бұрын

​@@micheleberaudo5629 Yes

@kangarooMonkee

3 ай бұрын

@@micheleberaudo5629Yes

He should livestream himself writing Winds of Winter, imagine the live chat when he finally finishes

@billydeano

Жыл бұрын

Haha you mean livestreaming the back and forth between him and his editors? "He's opening his email! He's reading his email! He's looking over the manuscript!"

@sammyondayoutube

9 ай бұрын

“I WAS HERE I WAS HERE I WAS HERE POG POG POG I WAS HERE”

@gv6206

4 ай бұрын

Slowest speedrun livestream ever

@LunoeShadow

3 ай бұрын

I'm getting "twitch plays pokemon" vibes off this

@LittleVidds

Ай бұрын

i have a feeling he works on winds of winter 30 minutes a week. LMAO, jk but I do feel his stress of trying to tie the story together. not to mention the pressure of finishing it and surpassing the huge disappointment of the show.

GRRM has being a struggling jobbing writer for most of his life, taking the opportunities that come his way with his eyes on the future when he can finally write at his own pace without worrying about money. Becoming famous for GoT gave him the freedom and money he wanted but he’s lost all drive, there’s no wolf at the door forcing him forward. I’m glad for him that he finally has the recognition and wealth he deserves but I can’t help but wish ASoIaF had been finished before the show was proposed.

@charlesk22

2 жыл бұрын

A monkey paw in a nutshell

@ktoth29

2 жыл бұрын

You've also touched on why non-profit arts organization are cancerous and a blight to creativity

@piperian3962

2 жыл бұрын

He would have moved on to something else without the show.

@valerieblackwell5765

2 жыл бұрын

@@ktoth29 yeah i believe artists should starve and risk homelessness to consume their souls

@drewdrewson1384

2 жыл бұрын

"struggling" lmao. You really think he was struggling as show runner for Beauty and the beast? You think struggling writers buy 2 houses? lmaooooo

the fact that he successfully marketed leftover/cut material from Dance as progress on Winds for years is actually kind of impressive. Infuriating to the point of being insulting, but still somewhat impressive

@lemya8120

2 жыл бұрын

Dude, you took the words right from my mouth

@barrynewlander1469

2 жыл бұрын

I think he was crushed by the overwhelming amount of work it would be to finish the series. Actually, the idea that it can be finished in two books sounds pretty crazy to me. One thing that would be cool and useful for the Team Preston writing effort would be to create a definitive list of unresolved mysteries, open plot threads, unresolved minor character arcs, unresolved "strategic interests," and try to organize them into things that must get resolved and things that should not get resolved. But yeah, this list must be something like 500-1000 things by now. I mean, there must be probably 100 major & minor characters who need arcs resolved or have skin in the game somewhere. Some of the mysteries, like what the Faceless Men are doing, could fill several hundred pages on their own. And then battles?! Then too, the books must wander as well. Characters need to wander like Arya and the Hound just to build the world or to make social points. I would not set a limit on the number of books this will take to finish.

@thecockerel86

2 жыл бұрын

@@barrynewlander1469 Either or both TWOW and ADOS will have to be split into two parts, books 1&2, so in reality we're talking about three or four more books. It's a daunting task so no wonder GRRM keeps putting it off as much as he can. He must be feeling overwhelmed every time he even thinks about it.

@bouel2709

2 жыл бұрын

@@barrynewlander1469 I think that two books is enough, a lot of minor (and mayor) characters are going to die and this is going to make all progress faster

@barrynewlander1469

2 жыл бұрын

@@bouel2709 So long as we're not killing characters for that purpose. Characters should die but there should be some arc to their story or some new arc that begins afterward. The Battle of Winterfell is so problematic. It's not great to even have the Battle of Winterfell unless the Others win it. You could totally just say, "OK let's send all these character arcs to Winterfell so they can die" but that would be extra unsatisfying. Actually, the entire clash between the Others and people will be unsatisfying if it goes to battle and the good guys win. That's why the Jon Snow resurrection and becoming an Other in some kind of pact thread is so appealing. I don't really know the timeline well enough, but there is also the thing where you'd like the ADOS to end with Jon Snow becoming an Other, but things could happen pretty fast once they blow the horn. Probably, the horn shouldn't get blown too early.

It's not a distraction, he's intentionally avoiding it. I wonder if he has massive writers block and has no idea where to go.. like 11 years.. that's insane. He clearly loves the universe. And this series isn't as easy as writing a history boom

@47Mortuus

Жыл бұрын

He knew in '93 how it would end.

@traviscue2099

Жыл бұрын

@@47Mortuus doesn't mean he knows how to get there. Dany will torch the city after the other targ prince takes it. That much is clear.

@47Mortuus

Жыл бұрын

@@traviscue2099 100% agree; I just completely disagree with the "this seed planting style is out of hand and is going absolutely nowhere" notion.

@jo4ogameplays

11 ай бұрын

@@traviscue2099 pretty sure the blackfire takes the city and then danny torches it

@pankajsheoran131

9 ай бұрын

@@traviscue2099 I hope that happens but without Dany being truly mad. Like Aegon also burnt Harrenhal with all its occupants right? He wasn't considered mad for that.

The problem with being a gardener instead of an architect is that while the story may feel more organic the ending is often less satisfactory and he's probably feeling that crunch especially after how the shows ending was received.

@gs7828

Жыл бұрын

He gotta do some bonsai work and start cutting and defining.

@ethervagabond

Жыл бұрын

Yes but the good thing about the show's ending is, he can go "okay THAT didn't work, let's definitely not do that."

@josephmatthews7698

Жыл бұрын

@@gs7828 lol yessir

@josephmatthews7698

Жыл бұрын

@@ethervagabond exactly and that's gonna cause him to reframe a lot of stuff. If I was in his situation the reception would have devastated me even knowing I could do it better.

@dinkogreen4175

Жыл бұрын

THAT didn't work because it was shit writing. Shit writing will destroy any plot or idea. If Martin wrote the ending as similar to the show as possible, it would still be way more sophisticated and detailed and rewarding.

2 key things to know about GRRM: he loves to explore, and he's undisciplined. he calls himself a gardener, and he loves planting new seeds. the thing is that he just planted and planted and now this is just a massive labyrinth of wild threads. remember, this was supposed to be a very contained story about the Starks and Lannisters. what makes his perspective and story telling great is that he examines complexity and moral ambiguity in such depth. but when nothing is black and white , there will always be a new avenue to explore. the 5 year gap was supposed to shear down these plants he grew

@phoeben9764

Жыл бұрын

he's good with world-building, but not tying up plots

@thisisaname5589

Жыл бұрын

Or, you know, he's fat and lazy. The two tend to go together.

@attemptedunkindness3632

Жыл бұрын

​@@phoeben9764 Pressure to write something good be like that. Stephen King writes the same damn book 1000 times a day, who cares? George Lucas got strangled by his own ambitions and hype, and now Star Wars is functionally dead as a Universe. I'm really hoping Mr. Martin finds some middle ground.

@Greviator

Жыл бұрын

For real. I tell people I think he’s going to even extend by another book considering how many new threads he added in the last book. Unless these last two are going to be gargantuan in size.

@jankoodziej877

Жыл бұрын

Where do you get the info that it was supposed to be a simple story just about the 2 families? The very first chapter in the first book already introduces the really enemy from behind the wall, and the whole name of the series surely couldn't be understood to refer to Lanisters and Starks.

Thank you, this was a hugely helpful perspective and finally made the 2015 "months away" comments make sense. For years, George had a somewhat hard deadline of at least publishing Winds of Winter before Game of Thrones surpassed the books. It sounds like he simply procrastinated and convinced himself he could theoretically finish it in a few months if he just focused on the writing and nothing else. Then, when he finally had no time left to procrastinate before season 6, he sat down to start to try and do it and quickly realized he couldn't keep up the frantic pace necessary to finish it on time, and the stuff he was writing was rushed and not satisfactory. So he gave up, and with his one hard deadline gone, he could get away with procrastinating again for a few more years. Then Covid came and he had no excuses left or anything else to do so he finally worked on it a bit, but now he's back to procrastinating. So it's pointless to try and ascribe a "pace" at which he's working on because pace doesn't matter when you're procrastinating.

@LupusInCaligo

2 жыл бұрын

"It sounds like he simply procrastinated and convinced himself he could theoretically finish it in a few months if he just focused on the writing and nothing else." - As the worst procrastinator in EU, yeah lol I think exactly like this. "Its not even that much work, I could probably do it in like an hour or so, so why hurry lol why not wait until its 2 hours to the deadline ill have plenty of time!" And Martin doesnt even have a deadline!

@tonerc.8191

2 жыл бұрын

I can relate. I too have been telling my family I was writing a book for about ten years. I wasn't lying. I wrote about 60 pages of one in a week... scrapped it years later because it was child writing. I wrote another 100 plus pages of a book that I was only chapters away from finishing (again realized it was trash). Then i wrote 50 plus pages of a good idea I still like but then I suddenly had a new idea I thought was the coolest thing and got super hyped about so I had to start writing it. That book is now at 160 pages with only a few chapters left. So yes I am finally technically almost done a book. But again I start to doubt who my audience will be since i think it would make a better graphic novel or anime than a book now. Still I'm gunna finish to use it as a learning experience and have something published hopefully. I think all in all I've written about 500 pages of different books an short stories and have never finished (Yes I procrastinate hard, 500 in ten years is about Martin's pace and he had other shit to do).

@robertmaybeth3434

2 жыл бұрын

To me it is pointless to even speculate on "the date". After 5 or 6 "projected release date" came and went, and it turned out GRR was writing OTHER BOOKS, some of which are totally unrelated, it's obvious he doesn't want to do it, so he just won't. I can't actually blame him for any of it, he's over 70 and can do what he damn well pleases, after all, but I've given up even thinking about book 6. It's the red-headed step-child in GRR's agenda and he doesn't want to do it, likely sick and tired of it, and no doubt hates the nagging of the fans. So I've given up thinking about it, wondering about the release date, or any of that, it's almost a non-issue to me.

@marcusappelberg369

2 жыл бұрын

@@robertmaybeth3434 If that is so, he should allow another writer to finish the books. We deserve an ending as fans.

@crispyjuice2110

2 жыл бұрын

@@marcusappelberg369 For better or for worse, Martin will never allow another writer to finish the series. I agree that GRRM is undoubtedly sick and tired of writing and re-writing Winds, procrastinating on writing Winds, scrapping his progress on Winds, trying to solve (probably unfix-able) problems of space and time, mulling over various issues he needs to address in Winds, and so much more. I don't think it's a stretch to conclude that he is sick of it all. There's so MUCH shit that has to happen in Winds that it is a nightmare to have it all happen in a single book. It's no wonder the TV series imploded. But he's a die hard writer who takes great pride in his work of many decades. Another author taking over his story and characters, for Martin, would be like giving your kid to someone else to raise. That's my understanding of his mindset anyway. I wish he would give it to someone else to write, because I truly don't believe he will ever finish it himself. There are 10,000 things he would rather do and he does not WANT to write Winds.

You were right on the money. He just announced that he's 3/4ths done.

It's now August 2023, and George continues to assure us that he is nearly finished.

@Admiral-General_Aladeen

11 ай бұрын

Will come back in 4 years when Winds part 1 of 2 is released

@Swamp_Donkey_

4 ай бұрын

feb 2024, no book yet

@user-zp4pt7rx1k

3 ай бұрын

Nor April

@MA-rf6bu

Ай бұрын

@@user-zp4pt7rx1kNor May

@magnuswiesener9588

Ай бұрын

Nor June

“i hope this explanation was interesting and not too depressing” preston this video makes me more hopeful that the book will be finished than i’ve felt in years

@AlejandroGonzalez-ft4si

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I’ve had the thought for the past few years that Winds will likely come out at some point, but I highly highly highly highly highly doubt we’ll ever get A Dream of Spring

@LordVader1094

2 жыл бұрын

@@AlejandroGonzalez-ft4si Yep, it's sad but we'll likely never get a proper conclusion.

@annie10103

2 жыл бұрын

@@LordVader1094 I think he's said before that he doesn't want another writer to finish off the series on his behalf. Hopefully he leaves enough material behind that his publishers will release an overview of what the conclusion would have been. Better than nothing.

@HiFiAwardTour

2 жыл бұрын

I don’t think he’s ever finishing the series. It’s that simple. I know he got pissed when someone suggested he might die before finishing, but dude, he’s not exactly the picture of health. He’s never finishing it. I’ve accepted it.

@Gabriel64468

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, this summary shows that he can write 500 pages to finish a project when he has a deadline for it and now after he wrote a decent amount during covid he is within that ballpark. The next book on the other hand? Seems very questionable seeing all this that he actually ever starts to make serious progress on it.

He woke up on a seventh day of a seventh month in 2027, but then he realised... he realised that it wasn't 2027. All of a sudden it was 2007. He felt weird, all of his memories stayed the same but his body was 20 years younger. With the knowledge he had George was able to finish ADWD by 2008, and he published TWOW by 2014. It is now 2017 and popular TV show GOT is on its 9th season. People all around the world are waiting for 2018 when GRRM is going to publish ADOS and more patiently for 2019 when 10th and final season of GOT will arrive. And there is even talk of 2022 HOTD prequel show adapted from F&B and B&F and 2024 prequel show adapted from his 10 Dunk and Egg books. Life is good in that universe

@chickenusgoddus464

2 жыл бұрын

If only

@Ravenicus

2 жыл бұрын

monkey's paw: This is that universe, but he procrastinated again here too.

@abeldnite

2 жыл бұрын

In an even better universe George finishes all the books by 2013, and the 10th season is released in 2015 (before the woke shit hit hard). Characters are ruthless and based as they were meant to be (we're talking 2005-2015 TV era), and Jon Snow is the main guy in the defeat of the Night King. He graciously gives up the crown of the Seven Kingdoms to his younger brother Bran because he's tired AF and just wants a quiet life with a redhead beyond The Wall. Ed Sheeran never makes an appearance in GOT.

@psevdhome

2 жыл бұрын

Is this an "Unsound Variations" joke? Because if it is I love it!

@lolz9449

2 жыл бұрын

I’m gettin Robb Returns vibes here.

My theory is that he let things get out of hand adding increasingly more detail to his story and introduce new characters and even more sideplots that completely overwhelmed him. Remember GRRM is a short story writer, who loves to see his work grow, but with these books it all reached a point where things should start to wind down and focus on the endgame and he let things expand and now he has to trim storylines and he can't make up his mind about which ones to terminate because in his eyes they deserve to get written.

@pieterotten3848

Жыл бұрын

I.e. he's out of his league.

@oaktownraider119

Жыл бұрын

He can just pick some storylines. Cut em, finish the damn book and then release those cut storylines as different books?

@kkcamp02

Жыл бұрын

I agree. He got carried away with all the subplots.

@leftifornian2066

Жыл бұрын

He wanted to beat Tolkien and only managed to beat himself

@kristianfagerstrom7011

Жыл бұрын

Yup. He's walked right into the same trap as Jordan. He keeps adding, and that is fine when the story develops, but when it's time to conclude, you need to cut down the PoV's - Last book he added 10? NEW ones, when he should have cut three to five - And he needs to make the characters converge geographically as well.

Even if we get Winds of Winter, he’ll never get close to finishing Dream of Spring. Make peace with it everyone, this series will never be finished.

@fabriziozagonel5720

Жыл бұрын

After he's dead his family will get everything he have already writen and will give to the editor to make ir happen

@superwhiteboy619

Жыл бұрын

Maybe D&D will step in and finish the books 😂

@joannadabrowska6755

Жыл бұрын

@@superwhiteboy619 No, dear God, let it be unfinished then

@superwhiteboy619

Жыл бұрын

@@joannadabrowska6755 realistically I'm certain he's stuck probably on how to turn Danny into mad queen or how the war with the white walkers will go.

@zaidabraham7310

Жыл бұрын

@@superwhiteboy619 I'm sure he has a rough outline on how everything will happen. It's actually writing it that's the difficult part. There's so many characters and locations and plot threads (because he's created an incredibly detailed, complex world) that I imagine it's daunting to keep everything in order.

After David Farland died without publishing the book he had been promising for 12 years I have no hopes for this one

@LeahEstella

2 жыл бұрын

Seriously praying GRRM stays healthy enough for this completion.

@ricardokojin7

2 жыл бұрын

@@LeahEstella The guy could live 50 more years..he still wouldn't finish any more books. He would however create 10 unrelated series

@geordiejones5618

2 жыл бұрын

@@ricardokojin7 this is what fans need to accept. The copium is strong but he sold out and he's too cowardly to just admit that he cares more about the money than the effort.

@euanparker2534

2 жыл бұрын

@@geordiejones5618 Or, he's 73 and has decided to retire. Sure writing isn't physical but it must be an enormous psychological pressure, something really exhausting. I wouldn't really blame him if he just stopped and enjoyed his later life in total luxury. Effort is only worth it if it means anything to you.

@Death.Died0

2 жыл бұрын

In 26 years [9590 days or 315 months] from now George will be 100 years old

The most optimistic view is that he is writing boths Winds of Winter and A Dream of Spring side by side. Since is the ending it might be "easier" to write some perspectives together to avoid traping himself in a dead end.

@kurtcobain3346

2 жыл бұрын

That’s what I’m hoping. He just out of nowhere drops them both or announces them both within like a month of each other. Wishful as fuck, but I hope that happens

@ikariiprince

2 жыл бұрын

He’s definitely not

@Paddyjack

2 жыл бұрын

That is pretty much what King did with the the Dark Tower last 3 books, but I really can't see GRRM doing the same.

@crybirb

2 жыл бұрын

If we see how he used some cut manuscripts from Dance to Winds you can assure some of this stuff he is writing may be going towards future stuff.

@Potidaon

2 жыл бұрын

There will likely be stuff that gets moved to Dream, but nowhere as much as from Dance to Winds.

I think it‘s a reasonably good bet to make that George has written himself into a corner. Ending this story in a satisfying way, even just from a world-building perspective (characters aside for the moment) is a complete gordian knot. He‘s basically only got two places to go: either a new Monarch (or even several Monarchs in the event of a breakup) takes the throne and restores overall order and things go back to the way they were; or society is going to radically change somehow. There‘s a good chance George wants to do the latter, and both the storylines of Aegon V and Dany hint at this idea. The problem lies in the execution. Who‘s going to do it, and how? George R. Martin imo is extremely noteworthy for how realistic the politics in his books are. Plus his characters are super-fleshed-out, flawed human beings who are not capable of being used as blunt instruments by the author. Martin does not have and arguably cannot have any Gandalf or Dumbledore-type characters who are capable (and willing) of imposing their will (and George‘s) on the universe and just going „here‘s what‘s going to happen, boom“. So who is going to produce the end state of the story, an end state that actually seriously departs from the last 10.000 years of Westeros history? Worse, his worldbuilding is so specific that there are limits to what you can do with this universe. This is not the kind of medieval world you can just turn into a Republic at the snap of a finger, for example. And we also can‘t have Dany just come in and change everything for the better: the previous writing does not lend itself to that. All of these are good things, btw, but they make the ending a major problem. It very well may be that the only ending he can realistically execute is having things go back to the way they were. But not only is that probably not what George wants, it also has a very good chance of actually being super-depressing to read about. George has said he‘s going for bitter-sweet but one big thing about this work so far is that Westeros has clearly not been a great place to be. And to just be going back to that? Readers might very well hate that, and hate it a lot. Then there‘s the extreme muddle of character arcs and the fact that now with the ending approaching, it all has to go somewhere. Dany has to actually go to King‘s Landing and try to become Queen, Sansa has to overthrow and kill Littlefinger, the Valonquar needs to choke somebody, Arya has to I don‘t even know where the fuck that whole thing is supposed to lead. And then of course in the end, some characters have to end up on top, killing all their enemies and some of their friends. And that in turn requires George to do something he hates, which is take sides. Unlike in the real world, at the end of a work of fiction, God has to be on _somebody‘s_ side and that god is George. He has to say „this guy wins and rules the kingdom, these people die, these people go into exile, you die, you get rich, you live, you don‘t“. And honestly it‘s probably the first part that‘s hard, not the killing people off. But someone has to win, someone has to be vindicated, possibly at random. And once god speaks his verdict, he‘s going to get all kinds of shit from the readers who have a very large chance of disagreeing with any major decision. Because unlike major decisions in the past, these ones will be final. The reaction to the Red Wedding would have been different if the story ended with that; and yet, in some ways it may have to. ASOIAF quite likely has to end with someone‘s morally dubious triumph and someone else‘s brutal slaughter. I can understand the apprehension.

@devinfleenor3188

Жыл бұрын

Im personally rooting for an ending where its horrible and history is ended again like it was with the age of heroes with libraries burning. Just kind of a true apocolypse and then the remnants of humanity (and human likes) form some kind of legendary pact like with the the First Men and history is only remembered in songs. the Dream of Spring is just that, a dream and a hope for the next generation. But its probably gonna be the Starks dunking on everybody. ayyyyy

@raylast3873

Жыл бұрын

@@devinfleenor3188 both of those scenarios are extremely unlikely. Everything back to square one would be immensely depressing to read about. Fun as a premise, horrible as an ending. It‘s also unlikely to be what George wants to do. He‘s going somewhere with all of this, and it ain’t a repetition of the past. Remember, the War of the Roses he is basing this on changed the whole governing structure of England. As for the Starks, they may get their revenge but it‘s unlikely they’ll be the big winners in the traditional sense. GRRM just does not write like that.

@devinfleenor3188

Жыл бұрын

​@@raylast3873 I mean more like a new square one, the legendary pact will include a more progressive stances and the end of the current heirarchies. As long as a majority of likeable POV characters survive the apocolypse I do not see how this would be more depressing then what has already taken place. Also Old Town might be sacked by Euron so libraries may burn. Dothraki's can raid Essos and bam, written history takes a huge blow. I also think the Starks are set up to shine. How can peace really happen without a Stark central to it. Whether by Magic, Killing ones enemies, secret Targarian genetics, riding unicorns or all of the above the Starks are primed for a magical conclusion to a low fantasy that is transitioning into a medium-high fantasy. While the Lannisters are Kin slaying, afraid of being kinslayed and off fucking moonboy for all I know.

@nutyyyy

Жыл бұрын

Yep, which all a consequence of his gardener style of writing and pessimistic views on the world. Now that being said Tolkien was also pretty pessimistic and his writings often focus on themes of death, but he understood how to make a satisfying ending. But what some might not know is Tolkien for a while planned to write a sequel to the Lord of the Rings would have been dark and focused on the evil of men. But he decided against it because it wasn't a satisfying story. But Tolkien wasn't an idiot. He knew that ultimately evil never goes away. And men are easily corrupted by power. But that also doesn't make for a very satisfying ending in fiction.

@raylast3873

Жыл бұрын

@@nutyyyy see, I don‘t think that‘s fair at all. George R. R. Martin does not have a negative view of people at all. Unlike Tolkien, who treats humans like pieces on a chessboard, which is his stories‘ biggest weakness: the end is predetermined, not just of the story, but all of creation. Not trying to diss his writing, but this is a major drawback. For Martin, it‘s all about the people in the story. Martin‘s inability to have everything perfectly planned out is the cost of a writing style where the characters are driving the plot, not the other way around. This is extremely rare, and it makes Martin one of the best character writers, period. And it‘s not just the people: George R. R. Martin understands how societies work, and his writing reflects that. The characters are products of their environment, and they act under the pressure of forces far beyond their control. Not divine forces, like in most fantasy, but social forces. In most fantasy stories society is a monlithic block. When the Rohirrim go to war in LotR, they follow their King. For Robb Stark, getting his bannermen to actually follow him is the main problem, and continues to be one. That‘s what drives a huge part of the action, it‘s what always drives the action. „Men make their own history, but they do not make it as they please; they do not make it under self-selected circumstances, but under circumstances existing already, given and transmitted from the past.“ George R. R. Martin understands this and it‘s why he writes such phenomenal political conflict. Wars don‘t happen because the author wanted to do a war, or even because the characters wanted to fight. They happen despite the fact that everyone knows better. No one planned the War of Five Kings to happen. It happens because a 13-year-old boy has a rival politician executed, and then it snowballs because no one can back down and accept the other side holding the power. And the war gets so bad because no one can settle for less for the sake of an alliance, this goes for the Baratheons, but also Balon and ultimately the Lannisters and Tyrells as well. I don‘t know of any other writers where conflict functions quite like this, and it‘s phenomenal. So I don‘t really care that much if Winds of Winter will never get finished. It‘s gonna be sad, sure, but I don‘t absolutely need to have a satisfying ending, or indeed any ending, to love this worldbuilding. Because this is an actual world consisting of functioning, breathing societies, societies that give us some of the most perfect human conflicts in the history of fantasy, or indeed all of fiction. Forget how this ends; stories like the Dance of Dragons are so epic in the scope of their depth and human tragedy, I don‘t really need an ending for it all to work. Although I do hope if we get an ending it won‘t be like the Show.

My theory is the tv show was how he wanted it all to end but due to backlash for the show he’s had to rewrite the whole ending. Yes there’s different story lines in the books to the show but it was stated the shows writers had all his notes on the ending.

@mcpudd1540

3 ай бұрын

Na, he’s very clearly setting up Arya to return to KL to assassinate Cerci, then join up with Jon and Sansa at Winterfell for the Battle of Winter. She’ll probably warg into Nymeria and get the wolf pack to join the fight, and at some point the snow will probably blind her, but not Nymeria and she’ll do some cool fighting by seeing and smelling through her wolf. There isn’t a Night King in the books, so she can’t be the super cool bad ass hidden trampoline jutsu ninja from the show

He'll never finish. Either he's lost the motivation to do so. Or he's lost. He's created a world with a massive backstory covering thousands of years, hundreds of characters, numerous plots and sub-plots, and probably has to go back and reference plot points from previous novels. He also has to take into account what the show did with his work. Maybe he's got some sort of system to keep track of all that stuff. But if it's taken this long to get halfway through a 1000 page book, then I doubt he'll finish any time soon. I also wouldn't rule out a catastrophe. He might have lost the draft and cannot remember what he wrote. Imagine starting over from scratch. Take into account his age, stamina, and the feeling he cannot top the last novel, then you've got a recipe for disaster. He's also preoccupied with other projects.

@andrew3606

2 жыл бұрын

No shot he lost chapters and didn't use it as an excuse lol that's pure copium

@Kyrielsh1

2 жыл бұрын

" the feeling he cannot top the last novel" What do you mean exactly ? I didn't find the last volume of the series to be the "best one yet". I guess that the people who are all into the "complexity of the story" or the world building might find it appealing but it wasn't written that well imo (not a native speaker though, so I might have missed the awesomeness of the style, I'll grant you that) and the rythm was kind of boring, compared to the third volume for example... In my opinion he got lost in the "world building space", which is not a great mentality for focusing on well defined story which tries to convey something... But hey, I'm not a writer :-P

@badgasaurus4211

2 жыл бұрын

He peaked at a Storm of Swords. He’ll never reach those levels again

@ma1ist

2 жыл бұрын

Lmao I never considered some debacle where he lost the draft That could totally be possible

@mookie7688

2 жыл бұрын

@@Kyrielsh1 I agree. I was underwhelmed by the last novel too and I feel GRRM has simply lost the thread at this point.

It's been my longstanding theory that, as far as ASoIaF is concerned, Martin has terminal Writer's Block, and thus it doesn't matter what he or anyone else says about the books moving forward, they're never going to be finished. It's not that he can't write period, because he's written a number of books since the last ASoIaF one came out; it's just that he can't finish TWoW, and without that, there's no ADoS. Martin has a longstanding problem with being able to finish a story successfully and to a satisfying degree; if you look at a lot of his "1000 Worlds" short stories, the endings are the weakest part. I think the reason he's only released snippets of TWoW is because that is the book where all the story threads have to start getting tied together so that they can be successfully concluded in ADoS; you could almost argue that the current book is the most critical one of the entire series, because if he fucks anything up, he'll have potentially written himself into a corner he can't escape from. I think he knows that out of the totality of his work, THIS is what he'll be remembered for, this will be his legacy, and given how disastrously the show went, I think he's terrified that the books would get the same reception. I think he doesn't have the heart to tell his readers that the story will be left on a perpetual cliffhanger, and as blackpill as this sounds, I think he was hoping to already have died of natural causes by now so that nobody catches on that he might be having serious issues finishing the series, and that's why it's such a touchy subject for him. Maybe he's just compiling notes and listing ideas that he can bequeath to his family, or publisher, or whoever he's left in charge of his work; that way they can finish what he started and thus get a win-win: if the series is finished well, he'll still get the lion's share of the credit; if the series ends up being a massive failure, the blame can be put chiefly on whoever picks up his pen.

@memerick420

2 жыл бұрын

Strongly agree with the first three paragraphs. He already had a lot of balls in the air after Storm, and then in the next two books he just threw double the amount, to the point that the series kind of got out of his hands, I think. Now he knows he has to start catching them and doesn’t know how to do it in a satisfactory way.

@landrysaathoff2418

2 жыл бұрын

Nailed it. That's why he hasn't come out and said that he would let someone finish the series after he dies because that would be admitting that he won't finish it himself. People would stop caring about his current projects overnight.

@Gman-109

2 жыл бұрын

Wow, hard to disagree with any of this, well put IMO. This part especially rang true for me "I think he knows that out of the totality of his work, THIS is what he'll be remembered for, this will be his legacy, and given how disastrously the show went, I think he's terrified that the books would get the same reception." As depressing as it is that this is true (IMO), it fits the available information we've been giving by GRRM over the years (his words in interviews). Sad.

@laurentv.6631

2 жыл бұрын

"All the story threads have to start getting tied together so that they can be successfully concluded in ADoS". Interesting point and one of the few reasons to still dream (well, just a bit) : he'd need to "write ahead" before publishing anything, if he doesn't want ADoS to be a nightmare. I expect that when/if TWoW hits the shelves, some part of ADoS would already be drafted. Or so I hope :D

@Dante-uj5pc

2 жыл бұрын

He should just ask for help. He certainly has the millions to do so.

Takes from a patient reader October 26th 2022: it was a cold wet Wednesday in Knoxville. I opened my phone to watch SpongeBob with my wife and saw it was announced that Georgey is 75% done with winds of winter. If this is true basic arithmetics tells us we can expect the book by November 2025. Me and wife have been holding on for dear life at the Barnes in noble in my town for 12 years waiting in anticipation. Supplies are running low. Need help, need this book not sure if we can make it 3 more years. Please George please.

@errands8253

Жыл бұрын

All hail plankton!!!!

Having read some of the released chapters, his task only gets harder. Where in the first book, he could just write a story, now every line has to be pregnant with meaning. I've never seen Scope Bloat this extreme before. I don't think he'll ever finish.

@FreddyChoppins

2 жыл бұрын

I kinda wonder if things would have worked out better if he'd just written the series as a trilogy as he originally envisioned. Both Feast and Dance were loaded with bloat and way too many viewpoints. There's a line between epic and unwieldy and the series has just become unwieldy at this point. I remember the first three books more than the last two because it just seems like he tried to expand the story/world too much and it kinda resulted in "Who are these characters and why should I care about them?".

@RoyKoopaling

Жыл бұрын

@@FreddyChoppins Feast is his best written work.

@lordmelvin9310

Жыл бұрын

I think his perfection consumed him, once he realized he had no economical pressure to write any more.

@kentknightofcaelin4537

Жыл бұрын

@@RoyKoopaling that is entirely subjective.

@RoyKoopaling

Жыл бұрын

@@kentknightofcaelin4537 Obviously.

11 years in and now the theories have gone meta

I refused to start reading these books until 2013, after I had just finished binging the first two seasons of the show. Never thought I’d be waiting almost ten years for just the second to last book

@tisucitisin1

2 жыл бұрын

Oh, sweet summer child. I started reading ASOIAF in 2003. And I have an aquitance who started in 98. In 6 months it will be 20 years that I wait for him to finish the series...

@Spongebrain97

2 жыл бұрын

I began watching the show when Season 6 just ended and I read the books, getting all the way up to ADWD when Season 7 premiered. It was funny because at the time I was thinking that Winds would come out at least before Season 8 and I was busy with school so I thought he'd beat me. However since then I got caught up 100% with the main series and the spin offs and have read other books while I wait

@winterwolf2164

2 жыл бұрын

@@tisucitisin1 yeah, my brother leant me the first book back in ‘08. When I learned it was ongoing and not finished, I refused to get started on it. I imagine you’ve gone a bit numb to the pain.

@winterwolf2164

2 жыл бұрын

@@Spongebrain97 gotta say, you started the show at the perfect time. I had finished books 4 and 5 about two years before seeing Season 6. That cliffhanger sucked ass for such a long time.

@memerick420

2 жыл бұрын

My cousin read the first book when he was a freshman in ‘96. He’d always get pissed off when us “summer children” that read them in 2014 would complain lol.

I secretly hoped for years that he was getting Winds of Winter and Dream of Spring written at the same time so that he could publish them like, 1 year apart with almost absolute certainty. I never ever would have imagined that BOTH Winds of Winter and A Dream of Spring would BOTH still not be published OVER THREE YEARS after the finale of the series.

@nyos22

Жыл бұрын

He said himself that he has done zero work on dream. We will never see this book.

@creategreatness8823

Жыл бұрын

@@nyos22 I know, can't help but wish that he was flat out lying in order to develop both books at a relatively steady pace(I mean, 11 years should have been enough time to nearly finish 2 books) and to try and get people to stop pressuring him so much. But yeah, in all likelihood...A Dream of Spring will never happen

@JohnAndJohner

Жыл бұрын

@@nyos22 Wouldn't that just mean that he hasn't explicitly written any chapters that will be in ADOS and not TWOW? The way I see it, it isn't completely unlikely that he ends up naturally outlining a lot of ADOS while writing TWOW, since he is (hopefully) doing more thinking than actual writing to tie everything together. The issue isn't with actually writing pages of prose which is why the words per day metric is quite meaningless. The issue is writing something that doesn't clash with everything else. If he knows what to write in ADOS after fixing everything in TWOW, putting the outline to prose shouldn't be an issue.

@sarveshmunde9846

10 ай бұрын

Max copium

@creategreatness8823

10 ай бұрын

@@sarveshmunde9846 It was wishful thinking. Here we are a year later and it becomes more and more likely that even Winds of Winter may not be published in his lifetime.

Wow. It's insane to me that for the first nine years he did basically NOTHING on his highly anticipated life's work. I'm starting to understand how things got to this absolute mess now.

I mean, at this point I don't even think about it anymore. It's been 11 years since ADWD, over a decade...I know GRRM has had a lot of distractions, and all kinds of things come up in his life, but 11 years is just ridiculous. Even 4 years ago I was already prepared to just forget about the series, and if Winds and Spring came out, then I would be pleasantly surprised. As another commenter said - I look forward more to Preston's videos than GRRM's new source material. Which is crazy.

@1882Stu

2 жыл бұрын

‘I mean’ most pointless and annoying start to a sentence ever

@bigshow5941

2 жыл бұрын

@@1882Stu At least it's only 2% of his comment. Some comments are 100% pointless and annoying.

@1882Stu

2 жыл бұрын

@@bigshow5941 and you’d know Paulie

@brianhourigan

2 жыл бұрын

@@1882Stu Professor Google just told me "At the start of a sentence, the expression I mean is variously used in conversation as a filler phrase; an emphasis marker; a way to reorganize, clarify, or qualify a thought; or to express disbelief or disapproval." So looks like OP is placing emphasis on their incredulity of the situation

@StockpileThomas1

2 жыл бұрын

@@1882Stu At the start of a sentence, the expression I mean is variously used in conversation as a filler phrase; an emphasis marker; a way to reorganize, clarify, or qualify a thought; or to express disbelief or disapproval.

As a fellow procrastinator to my core. Being 2/3 of the way done sounds amazing. The fact that it is manageable and that the end is in sight would honestly give me much more energy to work on something. We shall see

@thedanielhicks

2 жыл бұрын

2/3's of the way done is the hardest place to be as a writer. Your brain thinks it is only half-way, so it overestimates how much further you have to go. At least, thats what Mary Robinette says.

@Brt667

2 жыл бұрын

let's hope that HOTD will flop and all other spin-offs will be cancelled so that George has no distractions from TWOW in the near future

@Vanillastump

2 жыл бұрын

@@Brt667 Or that he leaves and the writers don't get offered Star Wars so they start shitting all over a beloved series, right before the finale. Do I sound bitter, because I still am.

@Brt667

2 жыл бұрын

@@Vanillastump yeah, that's why I think no self-respecting fan should give HBO money to see asoiaf adaptation content

@EdertheJust

2 жыл бұрын

2/3rds the way in 11 years.

With this new update it seems like this will turn out to be the most pinpoint accurate Preston theory yet lol. Looks like a nail has been hit on a head here.

I remember watching this video the day it came 💀💀

This is what happens to ASOIAF theorists when they don’t get a new book for over a decade

I don't even care if he finishes the books anymore. I just like watching Preston's videos.

@TheTonyEntertainment

2 жыл бұрын

Same

@BiggestCorvid

2 жыл бұрын

With Preston and the ASOIAF community we will get ADOS before George's publisher does.

@rubiademoraes

2 жыл бұрын

Saaame

@zacrusk5274

2 жыл бұрын

We’d have better PJ vids if it was finished though. And more probably

@jawinter1818

2 жыл бұрын

That’s a good attitude to avoid depression.

The absolute saddest part about this is that if he doesent finish it someone else will and we, the readers, will always wonder what could have been...

@minerva9843

Жыл бұрын

Nobody will finish it if GRRM doesn't. He has stated that is against his wishes.

It has been 26 years since A GAME OF THRONES was released. The first book in the series was remarkable. I even did a school book report on it. In the time since that book was released, there have been SEVEN presidential elections in the United States (1996, 2000, 2004, 2008, 2012, 2016, 2020). Sadly, since the last book was released, we've gone through three presidential elections. I totally understand the idea of "writer's block" and even "the increasing burden of procrastination." However, if GRRM spent just a short time each day writing a paragraph, he would have finished both of the last two books in the series a few years ago. In fact, he really needs to get himself on a "program" of writing -- perhaps challenging himself to one chapter per week. That would be 52 chapters in a year.

@vadarman9906

Жыл бұрын

A professional writer needs to have healthy writing habits. Whoda thunk? Not George, that's for sure

This video makes me sad

IMO it's over....I am pretty confident that the story will never be completed. I suspect that we will eventually get WoW, but no way will DoS ever be finished. It is really unfortunate as ASoIaF could have been the greatest fantasy series ever put to page... Your analysis as always is great, and unfortunately probably accurate. HoD is the big shiny distraction, and I seriously doubt he will get any work done until the show is wrapped or canceled.

@stimulanttree

2 жыл бұрын

Seems that way, yep.

@charlesk22

2 жыл бұрын

Tolkien in the end won

@ModernSynthesist

2 жыл бұрын

Oh wow. Hasn't considered that House of the Dragon will stall him as effectively as GoT did 😱 Maybe this is why the sudden interest in dunk and egg? Throwing his publisher more bones while he focuses on House?

@landrysaathoff2418

2 жыл бұрын

Hopefully, George relents and lets someone else finish it once he passes. I've said it before: Joe Abercrombie, or Steve Erikson, would be great.

@johnv6806

2 жыл бұрын

Is he writing for that show too?

I think getting into his head that he HAD to finish it in 2 books has ruined him. There’s absolutely no way everything can be wrapped up in 2 books no matter how lengthy they might be.

@47Mortuus

Жыл бұрын

BOOM meteor hits - story ends. Easy

I know whenever people complain about Winds of Winter many, MANY people rush to his defence but if you’ve literally made as many false promises as George has throughout the years then I feel criticism is definitely valid. Surely people realise there’s some form of duty of care at this point from the author

@rafaelb.m.4756

Жыл бұрын

@@xXKameroniXx Then maybe he should just stop bullshitting us...

@obey_forever_mae

Жыл бұрын

@@xXKameroniXx you would think his fans are important to him... y'know.. the people who make him rich lol

@Pendji

Жыл бұрын

Brandon Sanderson meanwhile cant stop writing

@mafiablokes

Жыл бұрын

@@xXKameroniXx Ngl, the way you described GRR Martin makes him sound like the absolute worst kind of author

@mafiablokes

Жыл бұрын

@@xXKameroniXx Then don’t make countless promises that question his professionalism. If this is how he feels he should be transparent and say this

I don't think it's that he gets distracted so much as he's just on disciplined enough to finish the book. He's said on multiple occasions that he doesn't like to outline much because he loses interest in writing if he knows where the story is going. He prefers to let the story evolve organically from his imagination. And, that produces some really good and surprising literary events. But, when you're on book 6 of 7, it's to the point where you have to stick to a plan and wind everything up- especially considering how many different plots, subplots, and character arcs are going around in the books- not to mention all the memorable characters who have played (or are currently playing) a role up until this point. I think he's tying himself up in knots over it. I do believe that the series left a bad taste in his mouth and he'd like to finish telling HIS story. I do believe that he'd like to do right with his fans. I also believe that there's not much left for him to spontaneously determine and I believe that makes it hard for him to just put the pen to paper and finish. It's going to take him writing an outline and finishing in two books and some 3,000 or so pages. But, that's not the way he likes to write. And, emotionally, it exhausts him to think about it. If it were just about being distracted, the books should've been long done. Even if I give him the benefit of the doubt and say that he rewrote all the stuff he had left over from A Dance with Dragons, we're looking at 11 years here. 1500 pages / 11 years = 136 pages per year. That's not a lot. He's struggling because there's really not any room or time for new characters or new plots or new character arcs. It's just closing out what he has- and that bores him.

@thereportoftheweek787

2 жыл бұрын

He gave his outline to dumb and dumb and look how the audience responded to it. I’m sure seeing that definitely caused him to rip out a few pages and do some rewrites, while also causing him immense anxiety. “What if they treat me like they treated dumb and dumb” “I’ll be a joke if I don’t get this ending right”. Every time he sits down at his computer, he’s probably having heart palpitations.

@Brandonhayhew

Жыл бұрын

Being a writer has destroyed his creativity, can he write a thousands of pages before the next decade starts?

@DonMadruga72

Жыл бұрын

He lives under a lot of pressure to finish the story in a satisfying way. The series finale brought a lot of hate, and rightly so, but in my view that's the end of the story, with changes here and there and better constructed, but that's it. That's why everyone from the cast and direction of the series comes out in defense of the ending. Not because they think it's good or they don't think D&D hasn't screwed up, but because it's a draft of the books finale and criticizing it would be criticizing Martin and making him think he's also going to get all this hate if he ends the books this way. At least that's what I think.

@enigmaoffc3148

Жыл бұрын

I guess it would be more fun if he just set an secret RPG group, play the rest of the tale amd then write it down. RPG is organic and ends at some point.

@np7303

10 ай бұрын

I agree completely. A very good take. I can totally see him in this situation as that is something I can feel as well with my stories. It's just not fun when you know where it goes. You turn into a typewriter. Although I wait for the book as much as anyone, I feel really sorry for George.

Honestly, I don’t think he’ll finish the series. He’s already 73 years old, and if he taken as long to write the next book as he did to write winds of winter he will be going on 84 years old, and at that age even a literacy genius like Martin would find it more difficult to write.

@thesecond4767

2 жыл бұрын

no the average lifespan of amerika is 78 years old so he still has a lot of time and also he might even live longer than the average lifespan he seems very healthy when he goes to interviews so he will not die, he can't.

@dakneezbeez8844

2 жыл бұрын

@@thesecond4767 “he can’t” boy is gon be real saddd when George dies in the next month

@Blue-zc9ro

2 жыл бұрын

I think the same, but I’m curious if his estate would then allow someone else to finish the series based on his notes, as happened with WoT. I want to re-read GoT cos it’s been so long since I read the first one, but I’m not going to commit to re-reading that many books until (if) the series actually finishes 😂

@Qwerty-jy9mj

2 жыл бұрын

>genius like Martin kek

@spendsshanks6050

2 жыл бұрын

@@Qwerty-jy9mj Right? The dude isn’t Tolkien. Least he finished his main work

I dont think I'd have invested the time or money into this if I had known he wasn't really motivated to finish the books.

It's frustrating for me, and I haven't even read a single sentence of his work, haha! I really want to read the series, but I'm reluctant to start something that may never be finished.

@saatvikkalra6061

Жыл бұрын

same but i ended up caving in and started reading anyway and goddamn is it fantastic

@mark7166

Жыл бұрын

@@saatvikkalra6061 Ha, I'm sure I'll be in the same boat eventually.

@isilion

Жыл бұрын

​@@mark7166 So, did you started reading it already?

@mark7166

Жыл бұрын

@@isilion Not yet!

As a procrastinator myself, I have a lot of empathy for George on this.

@robertjenkins6132

2 жыл бұрын

If I was him, I would never finish it. Project got too big. Too much pressure. I'd start something new.

@mont9150

2 жыл бұрын

@@robertjenkins6132 I will enjoy the money I get and let it idle until the day I died

@rosie8059

2 жыл бұрын

Same. I've got ADHD and executive dysfunction, so I sympathise with George and I understand where he's coming from. I seriously, seriously doubt he's maliciously preventing the book from being published, I think it's a combination of the story having gotten out of hand plus his severe procrastination.

@DopelyTV

2 жыл бұрын

same, and as a mediocre writer who loves world building, I understand the magnitude of what hes doing.. the people with the heaviest criticisms have never attempted something at this level and don't take the time to really think about it

@WolfJustWolf

2 жыл бұрын

Procrastinators unite! ... Tomorrow

Assuming he wrote 400 pages in 2020 that means he started 2021 with about 875 pages complete. He said he wrote less in 2021, so let's say he only wrote 200 pages (most people were still heavily quarantined for the first half of the year so he might've written at a good clip in that time). That puts him at about 1075 pages. Maybe he knocked out another 25 pages in the backhalf of 2021, meaning he started this year at about 1100 pages, 400 to go. Based on what little info he's given us in terms of his writing process for 2022, I think it's reasonable to guess he will end the year having written about 100 pages. If that pace keeps up we can expect another 100 pages in 2023 (300p to go), another 100 pages in 2024 (200p to go), another 100 pages in 2025 (100p to go) and a finished manuscript in 2026. Final editing and such will then commence. All things being equal we can expect the Winds of Winter to release sometime in 2027, probably around the holiday season. 2027 = 16 years after the previous book was written. For comparison, it took JRR Tolkein 12 years to write the entire Lord of the Rings story.

@geert574

Жыл бұрын

Tolkien had a job though and a war in between 🤣

@adamseidel9780

11 ай бұрын

If he’s actually writing like he says he is, he’s probably written literally several thousand winds of winter pages over the years but tossed almost all of them out, even after rewriting some of them several times over.

@matthewleonmartin

11 ай бұрын

@@adamseidel9780 Well there's a line between genius and insanity, and George has long-ago crossed that line.

@adamseidel9780

11 ай бұрын

@@matthewleonmartin I think it's simpler than that: he had the creative juice to write 3 amazing books... and I'm not sure if he has it in him to keep it up. 4 and 5 were certainly big steps down.

So here’s my thoughts based off what I’ve read. George has really loved the worldbuilding and extra stuff like Fire and Blood. He’s also struggled with procrastination, ending the series, the moving pieces and balancing his time. Here’s an optimist’s idea - George has spent a lot of this time tinkering with the outlining and working out the ending. The enthusiasm for House of the Dragon combined with finishing Winds and having just one book left will motivate him to finish the series.

@olofacosta3192

Жыл бұрын

2011: the start of the new hit series"game of thrones" will motivate George to write winds 2014: the continued success of game of thrones and the lack of additional source material will motivate George to write winds 2017: the two year gap between season 7 and 8 will allow George to finish winds. 2019: the disappointing ending of game of thrones will motivate George to rectify it and finish winds 2020: covid will allow George time to finish winds 2022:hotd and the continued hype around his work will allow George the time and motivation to finish winds

Tbh, this analysis actually makes me really optimistic. The idea that George was actually working on the book for years and years without finishing really made me feel like the chances of it ever being finished were kind of hopeless. But the idea that he wasn’t really working on it during that time, and has only been really doing so in the last few years makes me feel like Winds possibly be coming out within the next 2 or years. Maybe even sooner. But of course there are still many possible sources of distraction. But still, if all this is true, it makes me more optimistic about the book eventually coming.

@elijahalbiston

4 ай бұрын

Yeah I'll jump in here and say that things do actually seem brighter somewhat. Perhaps he'll see that, now that he's been forced to write through covid, the end is actually in sight for Winds. I hope for a 2026. I give permission for people to cause me pain if I'm wrong in two years.

Honestly, if GRRM confirmed he has 2/3 of the book done I'd be happy about it. I fear it may be worse. (And even if accurate, the last 1/3 could take him 10 years). Plus, to point out the obvious... TWOW isn't the last book. Though it may be the last we ever get - if we even get it.

@FreeStyleProjector

2 жыл бұрын

Oh .. if he releases TWoW , i'd bet he's not even gonna start ADoS :D

@VeteranVandal

2 жыл бұрын

10 years is better than never. But never is so, so much closer to it.

This is somehow both extremely depressing and hopeful at the same time. Either George’s version is true, and he’s writing page after page for over a decade and throws out everything after writing it, or he’s dragged his feet for that decade and only really got into gear recently, which took a global pandemic to kick off. But once he got writing, he seems to have actually made substantive progress. And maybe that light at the end of the tunnel isn’t just wishful thinking. In either case, just give me something for the pain and let me die.

@Iruka1991

2 жыл бұрын

plot twist. the Chinese actually made Corona not to engage in biochemical war but to lock down George for two years with nothing to so but writte

He’s been dangling this carrot since 2014 or so, while holding his eager readers in utter contempt. I can’t take someone seriously who knowingly cultivates bad will, then acts bewildered by bad will.

And you have gained my subscription. I have never seen a well together put vidoe and break down as this!

This used to be my most watched youtube channel but sadly my interest in asoiaf has waned for the moment but I remember commenting something similar on one of your theory videos years ago. The traffic your channel will receive an insane amount of traffic if/when the last two books come out because you have definitely got some things right. Between the night’s watch ritual sacrifice, Quentin being alive, the krakens at the battle of blood even the pink letter mystery. I have come to accept these nearly as facts because your argument in each video was so concise. Thanks Preston. 1 million subs when winds drops Gilbert Farwynd has foreseen it

@neut9270

2 жыл бұрын

allar deem pov epilogue, it is known

@will2brown50

2 жыл бұрын

Quentyn is not still alive. We literally see his body. Why would barristan lie to us as a narrator. Some serious mental gymnastics is required to justify that theory.

@will2brown50

2 жыл бұрын

@@neut9270 Based?!

Theory: George found Preson's channel and was horrified by the greatness of complexity he never knew he's written. In truth, R+L=J, Quentin is dead, Bloodraven was right and Bran can't effect the past ("Hodor = Hold the Door" was how he came up with the name and not actually the reason in-book for the name, there isn't one it's just a name), the Night's Watch just loved Jon, Dany is fire-resistant, Doran is an idiot, Crastor just has an incest fetish, the others are evil, Littlefinger has the Vale, and Stannis is about to die. The last few years have been spent attempting to forge the rest of the story with Preston's complexity and was almost done when the TTB series came out and set everything back a decade.

@BiggestCorvid

2 жыл бұрын

Occam's razor suggests this is the case.

@godfreyofbouillon966

2 жыл бұрын

Also some Bravosi had a greenhouse with a lemon tree

@someguyoutthere110

2 жыл бұрын

* George furiously tearing up manuscript pages of the Dany chapter where she remembers meeting the Sea Lord's velociraptor *

@93Beefcake

2 жыл бұрын

Prestons builds his theories on very vague speculations on which he further basis even more vague theories which overall leads to a clusterfuck of wrong assumptions and highly unlikely scenarios I know he always says „as always I am probably wrong about half of this“ doesn’t stop people like you who don‘t even understand or question half of it to overpraise him like the 2nd Jesus

@annedavis3340

2 жыл бұрын

@@93Beefcake if you say so. On the other hand, he selects and uses his proofs exactly as someone writing an actual thesis about a text does. For some people "the wall was blue" will only ever mean "it was blue in color for no reason other than that it hadn't been left white, or painted yellow, which is also a pretty color for a wall, isn't it? 😊." His raven theory, for example, I saw on my first read-through. I'm sure some people missed it on their 10th. Doesn't mean there's no way it *isn't* there, just cause YOU didn't see it.

Those last two books are NEVER coming out, and it’s time people accept that fact. And I think the issue is twofold: 1) The show took all the big moments he waited 20 years to tell himself, like the reveal of Jon Snow’s parents. 2) He’s been bit in the ass by his “gardening”. I suspect he had the ending for his story planned out from the start, but as he’s gone on, he’s added something like 37 different plotlines, ALL of which he has to resolve before he can get to his planned ending, and he has no idea how to end most of them. He can’t even figure out how to get Daenerys out of Mereen. He’s got the mother of all writing blocks as a result, and it’s never going away. This book series is done.

@Yeomannn

9 ай бұрын

I think the Mereen plot is the whole essence of it. She isn't even in position to invade Westeros, yet there's only two more books left? There's just too much story for two books

Winds of Winter has basically became a meme at this point

I think what's also important to note is 2 things regarding his mental state: 1. his friends, colleagues & other peers keep dying. It's also a rather mentally twisted circumstance that the time window in which he made the most progress is also the one where most of his peers died. So of course he gonna focus on what he enjoys more, which leads to: 2. he enjoys film making/script writing more than writing on novels. Now that he's finally being recognized, he can put his curated craft since his uni days on a literal display. heck, even in the GoT-series, the episodes he personally worked on are 1 of the best episodes. I don't think he's "distracted" in that sense, I think at best he's not honest with himself that he enjoys his other projects much more. And as long as all the spinoffs maintain the GoT audience, he will never feel compelled to make progress on the main series as he used to when he worked on the existing 5 books. I suppose soft-boycotting the spinoffs by just not watching them might create motivation? But I think people prefer any types of bread crumbs over waiting any longer for the main series to continue. Heck, even talking about "not watching the spinoffs" will make them trending, with the way algorithms work.

@DancingViru

2 жыл бұрын

​@@clownpendotfart sure but I'm pretty certain, even without writing the scripts himself, he enjoys the production for TV much more. But I do wonder how much having to split into the last 2 books affected his goal on how he wanted to write the remaining books.

My most optimistic theory is that George watched the ending of the TV series and decided that, while his execution was a lot smoother than what happened on TV, he still didn't like where the books where going and decided to sit down and rewrite Winds. From a more dettached point of view, though... George is old, his health isn't the best and he is finally getting some money from his work via these TV series. Sure, GoT is done, but House of the Dragon and the Jon Snow spin-off are coming, and that means George has a lot more money than most writers can dream of in their lives. If he decides to just take the money and retire, I am not going to judge the man.

@KabbalahSherry

Жыл бұрын

I agree, tbh. However... can't he hand the series off to someone else? Do we have to wait for him to pass away, before we can find out the ending?? 😕 The TRUE ending, I mean?

@ConnorNolan

Жыл бұрын

I hope he finishes it, but if not, then I hope he picks a great ghostwriter... maybe the authors of The Expanse?

@VinyZikss

Жыл бұрын

wait jon snow spin off??? I didnt know there'd be one

@Poopmannn

Жыл бұрын

Doesn’t really explain the previous 8 years with no Winds tho

@larochejaquelein3680

Жыл бұрын

Retire? I remember how he said that writing was his passion and that he could never stop writing. He might give up on DREAM, but he will never stop writing

Remember: A new chapter for the 2000BCE Epic of Gilgamesh was discovered in the time George "wrote" Winds

@InvaderGIR98

5 ай бұрын

Does that mean there's hope in 2000 years

Great video as always! Thanks for this one, was helpful to get some good overview

I'm honestly at the point where I'm starting to believe he has done very little outside the sample chapters. So sad, so maddening

@yevgeniyermakov5582

2 жыл бұрын

Well, he definitely wrote something in 2020 when he was locked up. I think Preston's estimation about two thirds of the book being finished may be too optimistic though.

See you guys in 12 years for the breakdown of Winds of Winter.

@TheCreepyLantern

2 жыл бұрын

wow bit optimistic

@Hahaa99

2 жыл бұрын

You are my favourite Roman Emperor.

@snowarmth

4 ай бұрын

Only 11 years left! So excited!! ❤

Never would I have ever guessed, that I’d become invested in a word count for a book. This man knows how to entrap his audience

3:35 He’s like yeah that’s bad 😂😂

Back are we and...

Two thirds is actually much more than I expected, I thought it was one thirds! As someone who never looked into interviews or George's blog, the only thing I knew about the progress of winds was through memes and that "Some progress is better than none" blog post, and it gave me the impression he had massive writer's block, and we'll be getting the book either 5 or 10 years later or never.

@samuelevander9823

2 жыл бұрын

Two thirds is lazy. After 10 years he should be wrapping up his work, editing & re-writing some chapters. If the books is two-thirds done, that means we need to wait 5 years for him to finish, assuming he's not procrastinating. That is embarrassing for a professional writer. If some of that can be attributed to doing other projects in the mean-time, well he shouldn't be making those decisions, because it's just pushing his work further & further away...

@Buroki

2 жыл бұрын

@@samuelevander9823 Not just about procrastinating, he treats writing as a hobby rather than a job. So when he's bored of this series he'll work on another series, then another etc. It's like those writers who finished their first novel, then thought of a sequel to write, then abandoned it when the idea isn't "fresh" anymore. Not to mention those infamous blog posts he made confirmed that he was bored of the main series.

@samuelevander9823

2 жыл бұрын

@@Buroki It's a shame, but I've moved on until he has something interesting to show for. Reading the Dune series, rn. If GoT is dormant then so be it.

Here we are in April 2024 and there is no new book in sight. I read A Game of Thrones, A Clash of Kings and A Storm of Swords after season 8 aired and loved every single word in those books. But I won’t read the remaining books unless he finishes the series. Am I willingly missing out? Yes, I am sure I am, but as far as I’m concerned, there’s no point in me getting any more invested in an unfinished story the author seems to have no interest in completing. 13 years and counting since the last book in ASOIAF was published.

Covid 20, we all count on you

ASOIAF & GRRM is my first gateway into fantasy. Even though I had read Harry Potter and Hunger games before, watching and reading GoT lit a fire in me for Epic fantasy. For years after that, I have been reading so much more books. Malazan is my current favorite series. Even then asoiaf will always have a special place in my heart for igniting the love of books in me. Doesn't matter if it takes another 5 years, I will be there first day to read Winds of Winter. And if the worst happens and WoW never comes out, I am still glad I read the books and could experience this great world and characters.

@rhaevan.maniyara

2 жыл бұрын

Hear! Hear!!

@sheldensa2534

Жыл бұрын

Couldn’t finish gardens of the moon. Is malazan that good? Above asoiaf?

@anomanderrake5434

Жыл бұрын

@@sheldensa2534 the first book in Malazan is weird. Even i thought the book was meh till 30%. But after that point, there were a few scenes here and there which really scratched that epic fantasy itch for me like no other series did. I would recommend giving gardens of the moon a another try. And try to finish it. But at the end if you still didn't like any part of it, then malazan isn't for you. Read book 2 only if you some moments from book 1 really grabbed you and made you think hey this series might actually be good. From book 2 onwards his writing is so much improved. But it's still the same vibe as Gardens.

@EndOfSmallSanctuary97

Жыл бұрын

@@anomanderrake5434 I didn't enjoy or understand Gardens in the slightest, but I absolutely loved the second and third books, which contained some of the most captivating and intense moments and storylines I've ever read in a novel. I lost interest someway through the fourth, but those second and third books were incredible.

@Pendji

Жыл бұрын

Brandon Sanderson, a man who cant stop writing, next to this mockery of man

SO here we are. I was 20, 6 months out of the Army. I would hang out in the book stores (the internet was not the same then) and I found GOT just released in paperback (due to book 2 being released the next week). Consumed within a week. Then book 2. Huge Climax, 2 years later book 3, and then the 4th book was postponed and split into 2. 5 freaking years later. Then 6 years for book 5. Then 11 years later Preston makes a video estimating the pages written for book 11 by year. Now don't get me wrong. I haven't really read any other Fantasy (maybe 1 vlad taltos) since. I wish the show was picked up by an animation studio instead of a tv show because adaptations are about compromises. I like all the dunk and egg stuff, never bothered with the history books. The only show I'm interested in would be a dunk and egg one. I am now 46. George is 26 years older too and super rich now. I don't really have high hopes for anything else ASOIAF related coming out. I see books coming out that make "Good TV show" plots.

My theory is that George and Rothfuss met somewhere, had a few drinks, one thing led to another and before you know it they were making a bet on who could make their fans wait the longest.

I think honestly a big thing that a lot of writers struggle with is how to wrap up a series like this in a satisfying way, especially with Georges writing style of using a lot of point of view characters. It seems like every time you're putting a character as a major view point, you're sort of implying that you want to find a conclusion to their story, or you want their point of view to feed directly into and support a more important point of view. I think a song of ice and fire can best be described as a collection of smaller stories all happening together in a wider world, and with the finish line in sight, it becomes a much more stressful task to allocate time and attention to specific stories and tie everyone together, especially with his writing style as a "Gardener" where he doesn't like to force characters to do things, but instead allow them to act as he believes they would, and coming to the end of the story sort of implies you need to force characters to come together so have one across the board "ending" to the series. to be clear though, I don't think any of this is really an excuse for the pace he has been writing, but I think its an important factor to keep in mind. Closing out stories like this is just extremely difficult, and I feel it clashes against how he likes to write and could lead to him facing a lot of road blocks.

Creative exercise: think back on your plans from 11 years ago and think about how much progress you've made on them.

Honestly, it's not depressing for me at all. Predictions are always unreliable, while reviews are much better at giving an accurate assessment of what actually happened. Hindsight provides much more evidence than prediction, after all. So it's good to take this in and see that he actually *has* made progress, it was just very recently. More to the point, I sympathize with Martin here. He worked hard on Dance and needed a rest, but kept telling people he's hard at work, which caused him to stress out feeling like he should have been making progress while he was resting, which then sabotaged his rest so that he still required more rest. The man needs an actual literal year to just do nothing, no work or distractions, so he can feel better instead of constantly making himself feel awful for not making progress, thus preventing him from making progress.

@Kilthan2050

2 жыл бұрын

I don’t think he feels awful, i think he doesn’t care anymore. I think he lost interest in the main story as he finds the side stories more interesting. Further, i think he is annoyed that fans didn’t like the character endings in the TV show as we know from interviews that he told D&D where they would end up. Fans didn’t like Dany turning evil, king bran, queen Sansa of the North, etc. Further, he has states multiple times that when he dies he wants his manuscripts destroyed. This and many of his not-a-blogs depict a rather petty individual. He doesn’t feel awful, he lost interest and he’s vindictive that fans are unhappy with how he eventually wanted it to end. We MIGHT get a posthumous Winds if the publisher throws a big enough fit, but we’ll never see a Dream of Spring. I’m not saying he’s going to die any minute or that he owes the fans anything. Merely that he’s not going to finish the series by his own choice.

@itkenreiza9841

2 жыл бұрын

@@Kilthan2050 I think his most recent blog post kinda implies that he might have changed his tune a little as the reception to his blog posts no longer results in massive outcries as people gave up waiting. He talks about how his friend who died was writing a book for longer than he has taken writing winds, and suggested one of his friends should finish it. I hope that this gave him a new perspective on his own work. But I can't help thinking that even if it did, it's still unlikely for him to finish too soon.

@TheGamebuzzHD

2 жыл бұрын

Nah bro he a lazy c*** honestly He hates us cause we hated the show ending He says the story dies with him He doesn't want to continue Shit He had so much rest, at the end of the day Martin is a draft dodger, horn wearing, obese hippy He doesn't have much work ethics, he is a loser through and through, it's a damn miracle we got 5 books when he was struggling writer Now that he was given fame and money he doesn't give two shits about the fans, even more he realised he is incapable of finishing, he isn't that great a writter that's it Its not that hard to make a complex world, put in a lot of questions and intrigue and leave before you answer them When you go to the restaurant expecting a 3 course meal and the chef tells you you ain't getting desert cause he ain't your bitch or smth That's just not professional I'm rambling but I'm tired of people defending him over this like you some kind of Stan BRO HE FUCKED UP He lied and he keeps lying, it's just a fantasy series no one is dead over I just want him to admit he is a bad writer and can't finish

@SG-pu3rx

2 жыл бұрын

Man will die before finishing the book and ruin his legacy , I think that will be enough payback for his indifference towards his books & fans.

@sumdude7597

2 жыл бұрын

@@SG-pu3rx dude wtf is wrong with you...?

Some say he is still writing to this day

*2 years after this video and TWoW is still not out*

This is the problem as well when we get old, time runs out. Poor George, truly it is the definition of painting yourself into a corner. His project is so huge and complex, it is hard to finish the way he really wants too. Thank you Preston, I feel the weight of time on my own shoulders. I do hope George can pull this off, what a triumph it would be for him (I also want House of the Dragon to succeed to give him courage to finish)

The long wait has drained the passion of most fans for the series. I think they like myself, have reached the point where being angry or frustrated at GRRM is not even worth it anymore. I really do not give a shit about GRRM being able to finish the books and secure his legacy or not. I would be mildly glad if the last two books got completed, but if they do not, I am not gonna be sad or disturbed or pissed by it.

@ernestokrapf

2 жыл бұрын

I got WAY MORE SAD about Berserk (the manga series by Kentaro Miura) not being finished than I will ever be if ASOIAF doesn't get finished, tbh

@clintonlindsey4391

2 жыл бұрын

My feelings exactly

@Desolate-Utopia

2 жыл бұрын

100%. That's exactly where I'm at right now. We're gonna be sitting at 11 years soon, I have a feeling the vast majority of fans don't even care anymore. We're past the point of anger at this point and sitting at acceptance. George is elderly, unhealthy, and seems to have little to no motivation. It's a harsh reality, but it's the truth. I think for an apt example, in the anime space you will have wildly popular shows that catch everyone's attention. But by the time the next season comes out, in many cases years later, very few fans even have interest anymore. Only a handful of shows have been able to break this predicament. Time fades many things, and interest is one of them. And the more time that goes by, the less people care.

@Gongall

2 жыл бұрын

I can understand mild frustration, but getting angry at someone for not finishing his art is wild, the sense of entitlement combined with the sky high expectations would kill anyones motivation, especially after what they did with the show.

@Qwerty-jy9mj

2 жыл бұрын

@@Gongall It's Martin who's entitled, not his audience.

The only way this book comes out is if Sanderson gets bored and does it one weekend.

As someone behind on his master's thesis, GRRM is a mood

Wow when you really lay it out on the timeline like that, it's just amazing to see that the most pessimistic people were right and he literally wrote nothing specifically for TWOW until 2020 lol

@EndOfSmallSanctuary97

Жыл бұрын

And yet those same pessimistic people kept getting called haters and trolls and not "real" fans for years, only to be proven entirely right. The fanboys will never accept reality, even when the evidence is overwhelming.

I basically accepted that the book series will not ever complete. We might get Winds, maybe, maybe not, but we likely will not get another book after. I don't have any negative feelings towards Martin for this. He's earned whatever kind of life he wants to have in his old age. Whether that includes writing more ASoIaF or not, either way he can live how he wants.

@ElementVoidX

Жыл бұрын

nah he is still a piece of shit, I can understand writers block, but when he is pissing out more and more prequel things without finishing the first and last story, then that is a giant middle finger to the people who spent time and money on his stories, giving him the life and fame he wanted, and he thanks them by pissing them down the back.

@chronikhiles

Жыл бұрын

ElementVoidX He's a brilliant individual who'll leave something behind, can't say that about you, can we? Call him undisciplined and and burned out all you want, but don't disrespect him with your curses.

@adrianomachado112

Жыл бұрын

@@ElementVoidX Thing is, he’s entitled to do whatever he wants with his life. He’s a person, let us not forget that.

@ElementVoidX

Жыл бұрын

@@adrianomachado112 sure, and I am entitled to say my opinion when he lies again and again, and criticize him for that.

@PelycheeaceRA

Жыл бұрын

@@ElementVoidX calling someone a piece of shit is not criticism. thats just being a prick, which of course you are entitled to be but dont act like its something different. you spent time and money on his stories for your own enjoyment, not to do him a favor. he doesnt owe you shit. and the pressure of wanting to finish the story in a way that pleases millions of people may very well take a significant toll on his mental health. would you sacrifice the last years of your life for the entertainment of strangers? i certainly wouldnt. we dont know what keeps him from finishing, so dont pass such an absurdly exaggerated judgement.

I think he envisioned a much simpler story and now he finds everything so interesting he cant help but expand on, so actually ending the story is painful to him

his creative hunger to finish a song of ice and fire is utterly devoid, the initial success of the game of thrones tv series was the undoing of any chance of receiving the books completed, it's a tale as old as time. when you become comfortable for to long, you lose the drive you had when you were hungry. he isn't going to finish the books, instead all we are left with is a bitter after taste of what could have been. it's time to move on.

Here's the thing - Martin has gone from being a working fantasy author not really known outside of his genre, to the guy who wrote a smash hit. Chances are, he now has enough money to not have to worry about the advances from his publisher, and is now able set his own deadlines, and take a "you'll get it when it's done" position. It's an author with enough financial freedom to have creative freedom.

@hamsterfromabove8905

2 жыл бұрын

Just a shame. There are so many people that would use their freedom and financial security to express their creativity and bring their work into the world. Its a shame success was wasted on a guy like him, someone that doesn't bother finishing their work despite having every advantage in the world.

@arfived4

2 жыл бұрын

@@hamsterfromabove8905 It's not that he can't be bothered, but rather that he can do it on his own terms, rather than the publisher's. Most of the creative people I've known would kill to be able to put out their stuff when they were happy with it, rather than when they were forced to for contractual reasons.

@elpiedra1596

Жыл бұрын

@@hamsterfromabove8905 He had success because his story captivated millions of readers. All those people that wished his success should be improving their writing skills to write something of the same quality.

@andreeab2948

Жыл бұрын

Honestly I think he might just not enjoy wrting anymore. He must feel the pressure that those 2 last books need to be absolutly perfect to make The fans happy considering what happend to the TV show. But whatever he writes is not good enough for him. Combining that with the fact that he is not in the positon to be forced și by anyone or anything to be done faster might be a recepi for disater

@ThePsycoDolphin

Жыл бұрын

Ralph Ellison did exactly the same. He released one book, it was a smash, he was financially set for life, and literally nothing else was published till after his death, were a rambling 800or so page manuscript was released to mixed reviews. Necessity is the mother of creation, tragically, and if George needed to pay his bills, he'd be churning them out by now (compare them to Balzac, who constantly was trying to keep ahead of his debtors, hence his large bibliography of work).

at this point, I hope everyone is at peace with the idea that they will never read winds of winter. it’s just not happening.

You nailed it, congratulations!

You convince me, i will start cooking a highly contagious virus in the basement, so that i can force GRRM to write TWOW

At this point I just want an official bullet point list of how plots close, you know. That will be enough for me and if I don't get even that I'll be devastated.

Dude, 2/3 the way, is frankly the best news I've received this year. 👌🏼

Even if Winter actually DOES see the light of day, it will silence fans for approximately half a year, before the drama starts all over again. GoT will remain unfinished for at least another decade

I come back to this video from time to time to remind myself I ain’t never getting it