The problem is geo and anemo. Geo and anemo dps characters don't use reactions either, so physical doesn't actually get anything unique.

@lostblueboy

Жыл бұрын

mhmmm and tbh its more shafted since there is a whole series of enemies that give a middle finger to physical...ruin bosses which have mobs and elite enmies and even bosses, and thats not going anywhere by current standards since they are vast and spread through tevyat. So physical is just suffering as the third brother of geo and anemo dps. I think, they should release a gorou type character for physical, release a set like deepwood for physical, rework superconduct to break defense with even requirements of just physical damage but thats not need. Becauseeee, no team has electro and cryo naturally....no team just casually has a cryo and electro team to abuse the def reduction. Cause cryo is either melt team, which electro would interfere or freeze which it also interferes. And electro has electro charged which would be interrupted by cryo, although cryo and electro can coexist in dendro teams. But dendro teams already have their packed teams, no place for any random cryo unit just for the sake of def reduction. But yes......these things are needed for physical to be on par.

@vht1

Жыл бұрын

raiden hypercarry is basically a purple physical team but its so strong that ppl may ignore that

@F1ll1nTh3Blanks

Жыл бұрын

@@teernage6715 Even Xiao can be used as a decent EM bot.

@jy1178

Жыл бұрын

@@vht1 electro still benefits from VV shred, it's better than physical because of that.

@jamir2210

Жыл бұрын

@@jy1178 You forgot Superconduct.

Eula is doing ok because of her scaling, but other physical units isn't doing to good. A shame honestly

@clashcon11

Жыл бұрын

How many Physical Unit available?

@thanhminhnguyen7749

Жыл бұрын

@@clashcon11 razor,xinyan and eula, sad

@wilhammartins9898

Жыл бұрын

My Razor goes with nahida now.

@Guilherme-fg9lb

Жыл бұрын

@@wilhammartins9898 razor with nahida can work but not physical, the only reaction that increases physical damage is super conduct that being eletro+cryo

@chuulover69420

Жыл бұрын

@@thanhminhnguyen7749 sad how you forgot physical Jean and keqing

Another contributing factor to the physical damage type falling off is the fact that they keep on adding ruin machine type enemies to the abyss, who are highly resistant to physical enemies

@els236

Жыл бұрын

this for sure.

@xdsmile5359

Жыл бұрын

If anything I think mihoyo is nerfing physical damage

@RdioActvBanana

Жыл бұрын

Maybe in the future, khaenriah will be a physical country 😂. Hoyo might add enemies with all elemental resistance, who knows

@alexmelik4030

Жыл бұрын

Fuck. These. Until I pulled out Wanderer they were the bane of my poor Razor's existence, at world lvl 7 trying to kill them with mostly phys damage is a high tier masochism.

@MorbidEel

Жыл бұрын

The human enemies have negative phys res and they are a lot more common than the ruin enemies.

I think this is highlighted in the Raiden Shogun fight. When you lose all your elements, you feel so helpless doing normal/physical attacks. (Luckily I had Ayaka so I could infuse cryo)

@nikk-named

Жыл бұрын

My entire team was reliant on E, and that doing reactions.... And Noelle's shield. I honestly don't even know how I survived that fight...

@ByiLHS

Жыл бұрын

@@nikk-named I cried that's how I got through it.

@GuyWithAnAmazingHat

Жыл бұрын

The fight was okay for me since I played every single story and event quest with Traveler at lvl 90 and 4pc Gladiators just spamming normals because that's what they do canonically, I even considered using Dull Blade lol

@asian_attack_helicopter102

Жыл бұрын

eula in raiden shogun fight go brrr

@duckalotl

Жыл бұрын

I used my phys razor in that fight ezpz

What’s incredibly ironic is that I’ve heard of instances when people actively chose to use C6 Benny with Xinyan and Razor to turn them into monopyro and hypergeon characters respectively. Eula is the only dedicated physical carry that doesn’t have an alternative playstyle centered around elemental weapon infusions.

@J.sh_CDN

Жыл бұрын

I mean, now I want to see a Chongyun Cryo infused Eula with a cryo goblet. Not sure if you'd want blizzard strayer as you'd be shattering any frozen foes.... maybe SR 4 piece for an extra 50% normal attack and 18% attack

@kolbalt8121

Жыл бұрын

m e l t e u l a

@Nowaylarry

Жыл бұрын

Well Xinyan and Razor get most of their physical output from normal attacks. There is no way to infuse a burst so something like cryo Eula just isn't worthwhile. As a side note, c6 Bennett with Full EM Razor, dendro and Xingqui is unironically much better than his physical build. The down side is you have to play in Bennett's burst so it lacks mobility.

@amari7782

Жыл бұрын

@@J.sh_CDN people have been trying to do that since she came out and it’s not with cuz her dmg takes a huge nose dive

@gil1934

Жыл бұрын

You clearly haven't heard of pyro Eula

Tbh I think a good way to make Physical interesting is to make Shatter be based on the physical damage used to break it rather than just a minor amount of Physical damage scaling. Maybe it won't instantly shatter but instead stack phys damage dealt and when it breaks you gets a burst of damage. More duration you have on freeze means more phys attacks you can stack. Then a fire element could also force trigger an instant shatter.

@0-0-255repertorium

Жыл бұрын

Okay so i also have quite an idea... Elemental mastery of the character that causes frozen reaction will increase the durability of the freeze aura(against blunt attacks before shattering*), and will also increase the duration of the freeze by quite a small yet noticable amount at higher EM values. Shatter will also scale off of the one who froze the target with their EM, probably add quite like a 5% or 10% something damage increase to the instance of damage that causes the shatter effect. Short explanation: You freeze, more EM=better shatter effect. Physical nukes deal more damage on shatter, and even more the more EM the character that froze the target has.

@witchking008

Жыл бұрын

Armor penetration

@DEEZ_N4T

Жыл бұрын

How about simplifying it, shatter is scaled off both EM and physical dmg bonus, and make it instantaneous rather than having another form of budget lightfall sword stacking. Also using pyro on frozen enemies pretty much triggers melt, so that last idea might as well merge with the first one

@eltdrgntmr5339

Жыл бұрын

Shatter wont ever be changed. It was supposed to be a nerf to claymores taking advantage of freeze.

@taigerpendragon5938

Жыл бұрын

Shatter is donde by claymore users and GEO not physycal dmg

Eula works very well with the Shogun because it allows for a high up time on superconduct. It's really sad to see them neglecting physical units too, because Eula really carried me through so much early on 😭

@flyon9694

Жыл бұрын

shes still carrying me at ar 50+ 😍

@Sai-sg2fx

Жыл бұрын

Like any other character couldn’t That being said it’s not really fair they don’t add any more physical characters

@rainyynayeli

Жыл бұрын

@@flyon9694 fr

@UncleMerlin

Жыл бұрын

Im doing fine with Eula in Abyss just because Raiden is busted, Rosaria is busted, and Zhongli lets me go gorilla mode

@Nakamako1

Жыл бұрын

@@Sai-sg2fx i think a physical anemo character would be sick. we already saw physical kazuha builds. imagine how cool a focused physical anemo character would be

I think Mihoyo will come back to physical characters eventually. They have been pushing elemental reactions for six months now, so that players would stop focusing on crit only and fully enjoy the new dendro element. When the hype has passed, they will certainly find some sort of novelty in physical characters. For example, their could be a physical Gorou that would boost physical damage for every character in the team. Or a character whose physical damage is increased based on its max hp when they burst.

@jadecoolness101

Жыл бұрын

I mean they just released a whole new element (dendro) which has pretty convoluted reactions (bloom->hyperbloom/burgeon). I mean I love dendro but the reactions take a bit of getting used to. Eventually we'll get another phys unit. Phys hasn't been abandoned any more than pyro has been abandoned. If you want to talk about something that has been abandoned talk about weak points on enemies and aimed shot bow playstyle LMAO

@bruh-zn8ju

Жыл бұрын

i'm so excited to go back to my physical kaeya 😢 he's been carrying me til AR52, mobs these days are just too tanked, i have to bow to dendro meta

@andrecezar7570

Жыл бұрын

@@jadecoolness101 I'm feeling some The Bell copium i feel u bro mine it's at lv90 r5 waiting for Fochalors i mean she has to be the hydro claymore. Right? Right?

@FelixMomentvm

Жыл бұрын

Hopefully that new Gorou type support comes in the next Eula rerun, would make sense the delay then

@ur_crabmom

Жыл бұрын

@@FelixMomentvm Mika(I think that was his name) would make sense as a support for physical dps’s and Eula specifically, considering he is a knight in her reconnaissance group

I think a revisit on shatter (like we had with swirl) could revive the viability of phys carries, playing with frozen, since they usually already have a cryo on the team. Also, by revesiting shatter I meant not only changing the scale on EM but maybe add a bit of scale with phys dmg, so that units like razor(phys dmg ascension) can have a better chance. Bruh how did this turned into "Rosaria is a phys dps or not?" Also Yesn't. I play her as phys and i would love to say that she's good at it but she's not. Like razor is a claymore user but can almost hit as fast as here with ult dealing almost triple the dmg per attack. I have a lot o fun though, play whatever u want albedo vape with bennet c6 idc bro don't argue about this It won't give u nothing except clout and there are healthier ways of getting that. Keep being safe and sane people.

@LeThug-027

Жыл бұрын

Tried that, weaker than superconduct sadly

@fancymustache3793

Жыл бұрын

@@LeThug-027 yes we know this they are saying revisit and buff shatter like they did with transformative reactions such as swirl because the damage from swirl was just abysmal back then

@dreamer19990

Жыл бұрын

cryo archon? copium x'D

@weesumm

Жыл бұрын

A new artifact set for this would be great

@arigatameiwaku

Жыл бұрын

@@weesumm you mean new limited 5* like nilou? If you want to change reaction you have to pay for it. Nilou and nahida are prime examples of that

I still believe that a polearm physical unit would be amazing since if someone like Zhongli can be a strangely viable unit with low normal attack numbers a unit made for it would be amazing

@Umbra1219

Жыл бұрын

I mean Rosaria could be a normal attack physical dps she was mine at least for like 7-8 months

@TheHellleader

Жыл бұрын

Rosaria is your answer, her with the dragonspine weapon or the craftable ones is a great dps

@prayingmantisstyleyunhoe8953

Жыл бұрын

@@TheHellleader She is decent but a 5 Star with better Basestats would be much better. Looking forward for a physical 5 Star Polearm tho.

@buttermanaws4693

Жыл бұрын

I've never seen anyone run her as physical and I've personally ran a physical Zhongli for like 3 weeks before going back to hp, so if a 4* physical unit is good and a non physical 5* is good a specialized 5* physical unit would be amazing

@navalhabr

Жыл бұрын

Shenhe.

I’m convinced they have abandoned phys, not because of a lack of new phys content, but because of the insane resistances of new bosses/abyss. I think they are leaning into elemental focused meta so that you can only really be super successful in abyss with a few possible units- the current featured and maybe a few others.

I think the reason hyv "forgot" about phys dmg dealers is due to dendro. They spent a lot of time and resources designing the reactions, gameplay etc. Also can't wait to rewatch this video in a couple of months when Mika, a dedicated phys support, will be released

@Miko-vb9dc

Жыл бұрын

reminder to rewatch

@MurdersAndExecutions

Жыл бұрын

Mika is terrible lol

@aquatazer

Жыл бұрын

@@MurdersAndExecutions true, and I’m not upset about it. I hate his design so I’m glad he’s bad without C6.

@MurdersAndExecutions

Жыл бұрын

@@aquatazer That has to be the stupidest reasoning I've ever heard to justify a character being terrible.

@TiagoToro

Жыл бұрын

Mika is awful until c6, then he is ok at best, sadly :/ my poor Eula need a real support.

Since Mika has some kind of relationship with Eula in lore, I think he may be a physical support for her. Also, there's Rosaria too that's a pretty decent physical support. And there's a final point that it Snezhnaya, that is a cryo nation, and that probably will give some cryo-reaction buffers, and that includes Superconduct

@ap0llogetic427

Жыл бұрын

I'm hoping for Mika to be a physical support too

@Deepstab1

Жыл бұрын

Leaks sounds like he will be cryo healer with physical support in constellations, if he’s not a battery then doubt he will replace diona on Eula’s team, Eula’s doesn’t really need support in dmg since her multipliers are already high as f

@jonathangarcia7028

Жыл бұрын

I think he is gonna buff her because his kit is speculated to increase normal attack speed, but it might change in the future.

@AbriDragon

Жыл бұрын

If he is a physical support, that probably means Dehya is gonna be a physical unit. She fits the requirement of having a claymore already, so its not too outside the realm of possibility

@lordjftw6991

Жыл бұрын

@@AbriDragon What no pretty sure she’s gonna be burgeon focus

I feel like players are more interested in the elements and different reactions while playing as well as using skills. Especially when you consider the fact that many characters have elemental infusion to their skill or burst. So if Hoyoverse decides to release another Physical dps, they'd have to be on Eula's level or more.

@scythe789.

Жыл бұрын

i would love to play razor and eula but they have no supports or would feel just weird to play i want a phiscal sara or faruzan for them like a cryo charcter and a set like deep wood moemorys that decrease or increase phy damge so it feel like it would actully work they could also make super conduct lower resistance by the amount of em a charcter has

@brago900

Жыл бұрын

All the characters we know of that have a high chance of being physical are living legends.

@ngmonster1017

Жыл бұрын

@@scythe789. It's speculated that mika is a physical support that is meant for eula.

@Axterix13

Жыл бұрын

I don't think players are necessarily more interested in the elements. Usually, one of the first things you see whenever a cryo or electro (non-catalyst) character is released is people trying to turn them into physical DPS characters. There's definitely an interest in physical DPS. The problem is that, much like how Kazuha can't turn any ol' elemental character into a true DPS, superconduct + Yun Jin does not stack up to a kit that is actually well-designed to do physical damage + superconduct.

@bobjones1934

Жыл бұрын

Exactly that’s why no one cares about Eula. Frankly it’s for the better. No one needs her anyway.

i think it's pretty funny that the best razor team as of right now (with c6 bennett, nahida and xingqiu) is focused on elemental reactions rather than physical, which is supposed to be his main focus 😅

@Inaorym

Жыл бұрын

And this team is do fun actually, it's so funny how good it is Х)

@chaosinfernoid9008

Жыл бұрын

@@Inaorym No its cope

@ealexjrdn1

Жыл бұрын

It's more crazy that his aggravate team is actually comparable to cyno in functionality.

@YayaFeiLong

Жыл бұрын

@@chaosinfernoid9008 Do you not know what "fun" means

@Nowaylarry

Жыл бұрын

@@chaosinfernoid9008 The only real down side is that you have to play in Bennett's burst circle. So it isn't great for all content. It is by far Razor's best build and team though.

Would love to see you talk about the relationship of Cryo and Elemental mastery. Right now, melt is the most logical sense to a EM cryo unit, but most cryo units typically revolve around freeze/mono cryo making EM almost as valuable to flat Def to cryo units. I think they really missed an opportunity with a cryo and dendro reaction.

@darkdude1996ify

Жыл бұрын

I also think it'd be interesting if the RES shred from superconduct scaled with EM. It'd open a lot more options for build paths, and it could give phys dmg just that edge it needs to be (almost) relevant again

@g205aldiputraperdana5

Жыл бұрын

Yeah why not give "wither" or something from cryo dendro reaction and it gives def shred or something

@Diego-ix8ly

Жыл бұрын

@@g205aldiputraperdana5 it would be broken to a point that playing a freeze team with ayaka c0 and defense shred would be like playing c2 raiden hypercarry.

Hoyoverse will definitely release a physical only buffer when they release another physical dps in future, but that's the only buff I can see physical characters to get.

@TacticalDimples

Жыл бұрын

And then they’ll lock half their kit behind C6… so only whales or long-time savers can use him/her. Lmao

@killsthelight5511

Жыл бұрын

I dont think that it will be in this year bcs they are still need to do more dendro characters and they are more focus on dendro reactions since its still new element

@haruyanto8085

Жыл бұрын

@@TacticalDimples yes thats a good thing, rewards the long time users

@haruyanto8085

Жыл бұрын

I expect Varka to be a physical anemo dps, in lore his abilities hasnt been mentioned and one of the upcoming fatui will definitely be a capable physical dps

@danielcarrilho5217

Жыл бұрын

Yunjin already exists

I would really love for them to release a character without a vision, making them 100% physical and the character's back story would be like he trained a bunch with a weapon art or something, together with that, release one 4star support tha greatly increases the physical dmg or reduces the pyshical dmg resistance and with that I think it would make a little bit more unique the playstyle and a little more viable.

@jy1178

Жыл бұрын

Xinyan is somewhat of an example of a physical character with no vision, because her pyro is useless in her kit for physical damage. We already know how the community loves Xinyan. /s Physical characters should always be cryo or electro to proc superconduct. Or mihoyo can make up some more reactions, but that's highly doubtful.

@YonesDraws

Жыл бұрын

​@@jy1178 Good point. What I had in my mind though is a character that attacks swiftly and they are rewarded with dmg the more hits you get in, kinda like Eula's burst but instead of being their burst it's build in the normal attacks which both their skill and burst would compliment the normal attacks, providing the character with attack speed or different stats, or even apply something like bleed. It is indeed doubtful that the will make a new reaction but it would be fun to have something gimicky with dendro and cryo. I also think a new support 4star like the ones we get now, that heavily supports certain elements or playstyles would benefit the physical characters or at least make them more viable or fun to play.

@brago900

Жыл бұрын

In the lore he already existed, one of the leaders of Favonius's knights never had vision and fought with dual claymores.

@Neuviblyaaat

Жыл бұрын

Pantalone

@YonesDraws

Жыл бұрын

@@brago900 I don't know who that is but it sounds badass.

Dont forget about Rosaria physical decrease on constellation 6, they need a support who's role is to only boost physical damage/decrese enemy physical resistance.

@Nowaylarry

Жыл бұрын

If they made one now they would either be a 5* (like Shenhe) or a 4* that barely functions without c6 (Faruzan). Hoyoverse is pretty much made it clear that they aren't making good c0 4*s anymore. Also, Superconduct is already enough res shred. Physical damage bonus buffs will also quickly hit diminishing returns. It is pretty easy to get over 100% physical damage bonus already with the artifacts/weapons in the game. The only style of buff I could see working well without also just buffing everyone would be something like Sara's c6 but for only physical damage, extra crit damage. Atk% buffs are also already to common.

@kirin1230

Жыл бұрын

@@Nowaylarry Mika

I think physical needs a character like Nilou, a niche support that changes an entire mechanic. Maybe making physical damage more efficient at breaking shields, that would turn the major weakness of physical damage into an actual strength, and that really won't be broken since there are so few dedicated physical dmg dealers compared to other elements

13:26 im pretty sure Rosaria was designed as a physical dmg character, not only her constellations support that but her release gave a very clear purpose to the dragonspine spear (at least thats what everyone thought at that time)

@D0kkuri

Жыл бұрын

While it's also weird to talk about physical all this time and don't mention her or Shenhe at all. Are they enough to make physical viable? Not really, but they definitely have some physical support scrapes in their kits.

@J.sh_CDN

Жыл бұрын

Definitely used her for that at lower ARs. Even with a cryo damage cup, the spear gave enough physical damage percent that all you needed to do was bump up attack and you would do great hybrid damage

@J.sh_CDN

Жыл бұрын

@@D0kkuri totally should have mentioned them, even if it was just to do half of superconduct and buff physical a little bit. Maybe we need a new electro support who also buffs physical, like I wish Kuki had some constellations to buff physical damage more. I guess you can always just run her as a Healer/Tenacity/superconduct support alongside Rosaria/Shenhe and YunJin and maybe most characters a decent physical dps

@chaosinfernoid9008

Жыл бұрын

@@D0kkuri Omg i also was like: Hello we do have two supports? Lmao what a clown lol

“Physical comps are in big need of a Gorou type support” Mika: Let me introduce myself

@FutayuriShironeko

11 ай бұрын

which is worse than rosaria until c6... yeah nice...

@c0mplex_Ale

9 ай бұрын

except he’s somehow a damage loss regardless of whoever you substitute him for.

@FutayuriShironeko

9 ай бұрын

Yep, having c6 mika, c6 rosaria and c0 shenhe. Mika performs quite a bit worse. Around 13 sec difference in floor 12

ah, my poor Xinyan. I really liked this video. I think you're spot on. Tho it's interesting you didn't mention the rampant physical defense of most new units and bosses. Though, you did at least visually show it in the video quite a few times. While most monsters have some elemental resistance or even immunities, they also have physical resistance. The machine monsters are the most notable, the aeonblight (which you showed fighting in the video) has 70% resistance to physical damage. regardless, fantastic work with this.

@gildanswampert9057

Жыл бұрын

the tons of physical resist in abyss was the main reason I dropped pyhsical xiangling

The fact that Rosaria isn't even mentioned in this video hurts my soul. She's the reason I started playing and she is still my best character. Consistent physical damage, her E chases enemies, her Q shreds physical resistance. Honestly she is perfect for Phys damage and attacks fast to boot. I love physical damage. You just click and the health bar goes down, no need for elemental reactions, you just DO it. Easy peasy! Pro-phys damage!

@luminous3558

Жыл бұрын

Because her cryo reverse melt team is actually good.

Ayaka is so good in freeze teams that you would put 2 of her in the team at 8:47

@chuchuff2047

Жыл бұрын

Eternal Ayaka

@freccianera9254

Жыл бұрын

Yes, Indeed

@Zharque

Жыл бұрын

Ayaya

8:48 i don't know why but i started laughing when i saw the 2 ayakas in the freeze team

@RDR5007

Жыл бұрын

Just ayaka 👁👄👁

Just pulled Aquila Favonia a while ago. It's insane this weapon even exists as there are no physical sword users Edit: DEDICATED physical sword users. Kaeya and Keqing exist but their element counterparts are just better

@brago900

Жыл бұрын

It is Vennessa's signature weapon, you are going to wait a long time for the weapon to return to its rightful owner.

@finntran1672

Жыл бұрын

Physical Keqing brrrr

@kami761

Жыл бұрын

Due to it's base atk it's actualy only useful on Bennett

@jd3455

Жыл бұрын

@@brago900 but she is dead

@brago900

Жыл бұрын

@@jd3455 She is an ascended, she is in Celestia most likely imprisoned.

I think something to note is that the Devs can still make use of tweaking reactions with certain characters to make physical stronger like how nilou makes bloom really fast, they can make a character trigger boosts when shatter occur for example

Physical needs a dedicated support like Goro/Sara/Faruzan. Also pls change Shatter to scale with Phys dmg. It’s really really dumb that it doesn’t work that way, especially since Cryo is often included in Phys team because of Superconduct.

@beanswater

Жыл бұрын

Unfortunately, shatter to physical wouldn't work. Only claymore characters can shatter so that leaves out every other non-claymore character like physical Keqing or Fischl who can't use it.

@navalhabr

Жыл бұрын

We already have Xinyan, Rosaria and Shenhe.

Thanks for this Vars! This was exactly what I was thinking ever since dendro was introduced, Hoyo seems to lean more on elemental reactions which might I add they've done a great job but in return they've neglected physical damage attributes. Superconduct reaction can still be improved upon.

I think the most pressing issue with physical is that it forces you into a hypercarry playstyle where your other units deal minimal to no damage, so adding a physical sub dps/off field damage dealer would the best part. There's at max 2 units in your party that can actually use the sheer amount of physical resistance shred that you have. One of them is Xinyan as a burst dps and your on field damage dealer. But Xinyan...is Xinyan. So you never use her, so you're stuck using one character to deal all your physical damage, thus losing in damage against teams that can actually use off field damage dealers effectively such as double hydro. This is mainly shown in the fact that Itto's damage alone is not enough to make him even near as good as the other units, but when paired with Albedo he rises to prominence as a competitive team. Albedo can use all of Itto's buffs for himself and deal a ton of off field damage In the case of physical, it'd be greatly appreciated if this unit was electro so that they could support Eula. Currently speaking, the electro slot is the weakest of them all. This is mainly because electro units have no supporting capabilities unlike cryo ones (like Shenhe and Rosaria shredding physical resistance). The only reason Raiden and Fischl are used is because they're strong enough (and our cryo options weak enough) to where putting a useless electro unit that doesn't increase your damage but actually reduce it (Kuki and/or Dori being examples of this). Basically, physical doesn't need a Gorou. We need an Albedo.

@lawfulgoodnun1646

Жыл бұрын

Kokomi with clam set already does this. Use Eula/rosaria/kokomi/any electro character. You get extra shatter damage, 30k bubble explosions, you can run thrilling tales, plus the freeze will make eula's burst easier to hit.

@leojustice3367

Жыл бұрын

@@lawfulgoodnun1646 Kokomi can't actually max out the clam damage off field, so the damage isn't high enough to be actually that good considering you should be doing 30K bubbles unbuffed anyways

@alejandrotorres9913

Жыл бұрын

This, in fact we need both, but an off field physical dps that enjoys all the on field dps buffs seems like they way to go first in my opinion

@lawfulgoodnun1646

Жыл бұрын

@@leojustice3367 you do over 30k with phys shred so it doesnt really matter

I reckon we'll be getting more physical characters once Khaenri'ah is released

This is what I’ve been saying for awhile. What’s the point of including physical damage as an option if it’s going to be so useless. It’s also so counterintuitive to lock superconduct behind two elements. They should’ve made Geo the physical support/dps element like how anemo is for elemental. Change crystallize to work like superconduct and make the old superconduct reaction either something different or just remove it outright because it’s so goddamn useless and creates anti-synergy.

My very first team is Razor focused and in this two years I've only altered it to add Shogun to the mix. Sure, it's not my best team but it really works well and the artifacts and weapon passives makes for a very entertaining combat, where it's not just spamming the click button but actually focusing to maintain a good physical damage. Nevertheless a phys support would be wonderful and I hope it comes someday, at least to feel like they haven't forgotten.

just found your channel, and i already love the video style. got my sub!

Awhile ago before Dendro you made a video on Electro and true damage. I think I'd want to see that applied onto physical units, in whatever kind of way they could implement it. I think that could really help, and if it could scale with the superconduct debuff, and maybe throw in some kind of Geo elemental reaction to help with physical and geo damage I think that'd be a nice change of pace and buff to these elements and units.

I know she was never fully intended for it, but fischl is a great physical main dps unit and the best 4* that can fill that role, so I think she deserved a mention in this video (yes I believe physical fischl is better then on-field razor)

@normal6483

Жыл бұрын

Her C1 deals physical damage and buffs auto attacks, so I think her physical build was intended by the developers.

@brago900

Жыл бұрын

¿Never? His signature weapon gives bonus physical damage. Fitchl was designed to be a physical DPS with the option to play as a hybrid physical/electro DPS (basically you give her physical bonus with set and weapon and electro bonus with goblet).

@luminous3558

Жыл бұрын

Even when built for physical Oz probably outdamages her.

@Mia-lw9xh

Жыл бұрын

I think she was actually meant to be phys because her signature weapon has phys substat and her kit encourages normals, but elemental reactions are just so much better that it’s forgotten

@wansper9297

Жыл бұрын

@@Mia-lw9xh I forgot about that yeah you are right

bro knew Mika is coming so he made this vid. Hats off sir, using leaks in this way

Never used razor but I can say eula is just fine. Used her in all abyss for over a year now to 36 and even used her in this abyss first half against pma and chicken.

I think the Key to the solution is Mika, he is a Member of Eulas Team so Maybe he buffs Crit Dmg for physical or just buffs physical damage you can See with Gorou, kujo Sara and Faruzan How Strong it buffed the damage of those teams who dont use damage reactions. So Maybe in Eulas rerun he will be featured and do that because it would actually make sense at this Point.

@Nowaylarry

Жыл бұрын

Yes to the crit damage on physical attacks. More physical damage bonus buffs wouldn't really do much though. It is already easy enough to get over 100% physical damage bonus as is. You'd quickly hit diminishing returns on that buff.

@adam.n-steve

Жыл бұрын

​@@Nowaylarryso we need more Rosarias and Xinyans (but actually good).

@Nowaylarry

Жыл бұрын

@@adam.n-steve Well Rosaria is at least good. Just not for physical (other than support at c6). She does well as a cryo battery or in reverse melt. I'd argue that she was one of the last really solid all around 4*s added to the game until dendro made Kuki good.

@adam.n-steve

Жыл бұрын

@@Nowaylarry In Shinobu's defense, she was always meant to be a Dendro based character since she and Heizou were the last actual Inazuman character released before Sumeru. She was also in The Chasm Archon quest which is literally besides the Dendro domain. So I think it was intentional or her to be scaled on EM but yeah, 4 stars nowadays are great but only if you have them at C6

If Varka ever becomes playable, I hope he becomes the strongest physical damage dealer in the game, even surpassing Eula's already big numbers.

@RafaelAAMerlo

Жыл бұрын

I started playing the game after 2022 Christmas and I hope with my full heart for the same

@mini-mei

10 ай бұрын

And if HYV are trolls, they'll make him a twink with a sword or a bow user 😂

Physical Dmg characters just don't have a place for now. I feel like they were and still are planning to do more physical units, but with Dendro in the picture, they needed to focus their efforts in the elemental system. If we got more physical units during Inazuma, there would be less elemental units to react and hype up dendros release that was fast approaching, and for the next year, releasing Dendro units and other ones that can react/drive the new reactions will be the focus. Even Wanderer, that can't exactly react with dendro and was made in a more anemo-focused enviroerment, is a nice driver for some Hyperbloom teams. While an physical unit might not add basically anything to the "new element" they're trying to market. Probably Physical units will come back next major patch, and i hope we get Physical units that AREN'T Claymore users. Always wanted a cool new Physical Bow user

I believe physical damage will come back around at some point. Just like for the endgame content, hoyoverse is in it for the long run. They are stretching content to the bare minimum each patch, they’ll milk us slowly, over years, not weeks. Dendro has the spotlight now, but what will happen if they were to add a new physical damage support or main damage dealer tomorrow? What if mika is going to be the new bennet for physical damage dealers? We’d all jump on the bandwagon and start playing a new archetype. Look at the tcg, I think it’s rather strange for a game with such an amazing and enticing combat system to ditch combat completely just to implement a sub par tcg mini game, and yet every content creator and their mothers are playing the tcg right now. They don’t need to keep things balanced, or to give every unit and archetype the same amount of attention each patch, they’ll give us content drop after drop, like a malfunctioning sink, unless we all start to stop spending money and logging in every day, and we all know that’s not going to happen. We have to be patient, play the long game they are setting the pace for.

@GuyWithAnAmazingHat

Жыл бұрын

People playing Genshin only for combat are really handicapping themselves with the game's content, this is an open world game and in open world games, combat is just a tiny portion of what the genre offers. Look at GTA, the most successful and popular content of GTA5 is RP followed by story, streamers get 100k views not for combat, but playing their characters doing every day life activities like opening shops, hanging out at parties, going hiking etc. There are so many types of content in Genshin and combat is not even the sweatiest type of content, it's housing. There are people out there who take months to plan design, craft and then take a ton of effort to glitch and position pieces to combine objects and achieve incredible structures. Housing is always the true endgame in games that feature it, such as Final Fantasy 14, where trying to get a house is said to be about as hard as IRL and FF14's housing is not even as big in scale as Genshin's. Genshin's most robust content is actually lore though and lore exploration is the biggest rabbit hole in the entire game, it is the one content that gets exponentially bigger with every patch and bridges across hoyoverse's other games to form an even bigger lorescape.

@aurorae1672

Жыл бұрын

@@GuyWithAnAmazingHat there’s a minute number of players who play only for combat. however, there’s a larger amount of players who play with building their characters to the fullest in mind. everyone enjoys all facets in genshin but what is the point of cons or diff weapons if there’s nothing you’re building towards. open world games have multiple options for you to participate in but an important part of your game and player base shouldn’t be effectively abandoned

@zanzatbc

Жыл бұрын

@@GuyWithAnAmazingHat I won’t say I disagree with you, because I too believe genshin is a huge game and there’s so much more to enjoy than just combat. I am a huge fan of genshin’s Lore, Music, Exploration, Puzzles. I enjoy my teapot and I take part in all of the mini game events; to this day, the wind trace event is one of my favorite pieces of content hoyoverse has ever put out. But this doesn’t mean that combat isn’t the main focus or the most enticing part of genshin’s ample selection of contents, and the part they pushed on players since day one. Regardless of how much you consider combat or enjoy it, one should be able to see this. While I agree that teapot farming is way sweatier than any form of combat, it’s not what they push forward each patch with every character, and it’s not the thing players spend their premium currency on; there are no characters focused on improving the teapot, and while some characters like yoimiya might have a talent related to it, it’s more like a little extra on the side than a reason to pull for a character. When they present the upcoming patch in their streams, they’ll show you the combat skills of the new characters in great detail, while the lore is barely touched upon. I have never pulled for constellations or weapons but I do know many players that do, and if combat wasn’t the enticing, under the spotlight, superstar of genshin’s table of contents, I doubt their banners would sell as much as they do. Players don’t pull for c2 Raiden or c1 hu Tao because of the lore, or because those constellations and weapons are helpful to solve puzzles or farm for the teapot, they pull because they want to utilise a character to its max potential in combat. Unfortunately, there’s no way of spending primogem to improve your teapot or your fishing rod, and I do believe that should be more than enough to prove my point; I am at risk of repeating myself but I don’t condemn hoyoverse for diversifying their content or the players that enjoy the game in different ways, but this doesn’t mean we should simply justify the poor amount of combat content by saying that an open world game is much more than that: yes it’s true, but also it’s not. I do want to give credit where credit is due, and I love a lot of things from genshin, but from a game design perspective the card game is a nice mini game, while the combat is clearly much more refined and without a doubt the reason at least a huge part of their player base got into genshin in the first place, and not acknowledging that is in my opinion extremely unhealthy both for the game and the company behind it, as well as for the player base.

@GuyWithAnAmazingHat

Жыл бұрын

Yea I think we are all more or less on the same page and I also consider combat as one of Genshin's main content. However emphasis should be put on the fact that it's only one of many types of content and shouldn't be the one deciding whether Genshin has "no content" when it's clearly rich in content. Nowadays I don't pull characters for meta anymore, I pull them because I want to play them during their story segments. I always try to get characters I like during the Archon quest so I can have a canon party for full immersion.

@zanzatbc

Жыл бұрын

@@GuyWithAnAmazingHat i agree the game shouldn’t be described as empty of content, but I think we can all agree that not offering a proper update or an explanation for the lack of combat content it’s detrimental to genshin’s image in the eye of the public. Personally I think they just wanted to shut down all the complaints about it but the anxiety comment triggered a lot of people and it’s been quite the opposite of helpful. I think combat will be updated at some point, just like physical damage comps, and even coop features; but they should have acknowledged the issue and be more transparent to their player base.

4:50 I guess you forgot about reaction shatter. This is reaction, so it is scaled of Lvl and EM AND this reaction do Phys damage. Also there's another source of phys damage is fall damage

After the Wanderer's release, I think it is possible there can be more physical type characters because it seems they are trying for only-one-element teams as a theme. (First the mono-geo, now mono-anemo) If MiHoYo continues with this "mono-X" theme, mono physical could occur. It could happen with characters that have no visions but have replicas of the Ruin Guard technology, or conventional characters with a vision but their elemental attacks are basically just graphics overlaying a physical buff like Xinyan's abilities. The major challenge would be to make mono-physical a fun alternative to mono-element, because if they just buff the numbers, it won't do anything that mono-geo or the current mono-anemo can't.

One thing they could do to encourage physical teams is to introduce EXPLOSIONS. This is something we see in certain events. They give you something like a card system, and one of the options is "cause an explosion when you do X reaction". I noticed that those explosions tend to be extremely useful- they can effectively break things like abyss mage shields or damage geo armor. While this might not add very much to direct numbers, it does provide appreciable utility that might limit team without the correct element- which might happen often if you are running a super conduct set up. And it might be something that can attract players who get frustrated when running up against stalling walls, thereby creating a 'path of least resistance'. So they could just add a character with a raiden style team buff. "cause explosions when normal attacks deal physical damage". Minor, but it is the type of thing you might look for on a monophysical team.

As a Eula Main, I believe there will be someone in the future to add to physical. I'm thinking the Grandmaster himself, Varka. They make him sound the mightest. He'll have to be either Geo, Pyro and something maybe to do with physical boost damage and elemental. Just a thought. :c May help Eula...or we rely on Mika.......

@PlumDaPlum16_17

Жыл бұрын

Well, now we know Mika will be reliable

it's true that phisical damage seems, at the current time, abandoned but I think it eventually will be revaluated. Genshin combat is, for the most part, based on elemental reaction but phisical damage has the advantage to be always consistent, at least partially. You tipically assemble your party based on what kind of enemy that you expect: a phisical damage dealer is almost always useful because almost every enemy is suscetible to phisical damage. And even in the worst case scenario, you still can do significant damage by reducing the enemy resistance. So a good phisical damage dealer is especially good in your exploration team, when you have no idea what enemy you are going to encounter.

Its so sad Razor is better electro than physical now, and yeah he actually is , check zajef's team , although it uses bennett xingqiu/yelan it is really strong , comparable to other dps that use the same supports, even xinyan could be okay in burgeon if she had an actual shield and not a paper one, so yeah they just want to push elements cuz its more fun i guess

Elemental Reaction that does physical damage is Shatter reaction I think

@holdenm.c5495

Жыл бұрын

It does not belong to Physical Damage. Shatter is from Frozen which scales EM not PD. Big EM = big Shatter reaction damage you will get .

@demonking-zm3rs

Жыл бұрын

@@holdenm.c5495 But it does physical and is triggered by heavy hits like... A physical attack

@mateuszkulis3535

Жыл бұрын

@@demonking-zm3rs not all physical attacks can trigger shatter

I rlly rlly like how calm and satisfying your voice is :)

This is something I have been thinking about for a while. I have been building my Jean as an attack focused character, to get some healing for my 2nd team in the spiral abyss as well as just doing some good damage too. Weapon, weapon substat, weapon passive, all my artifacts, elemental resonance ect all to get my attack to over 3.5k....and then I hit an enemy for 200 damage cause of their insane defence stats

I feel like once Mika eventually releases, they might give him some physical compatibility, be it making him a dps or physical support. People suspect he'll release alongside Eula's rerun so it'd make sense in that regard

I think the element buffer niche characters show that it's not hard to "fix" Physical dps. Just add a character that only buffs physical damage. Just purely increase Physical Damage and Shred like Faruzan does for Anemo while also providing one half of the elemental equation required for superconduct (preferably electro for Eula's sake). Sure, that _could_ make normals more viable for a wide variety of other characters. But it's such a small percentage of their dps that you'd be worse off than putting in a different buffer to the team.

@adam.n-steve

Жыл бұрын

Artifact sets are also an option. Preharps we can get Physical Viridescent or Deepwood

It's not completely abandoned, it's more like they are indirectly countered by providing enemies that are mobile/flying or have high resistance against it. Doesn’t help Abyss cycles tends to favor the current banner 5*…and Eula hasn’t returned for almost a year now.

I always liked to use the normal attacks, seeing the animations of the combos of some characters is really nice and for that I love all the physical / elemental infusions characters i wish physical had more support if there was a 5* phys weapon or artifact set with something akin the black cleaver from lol, for each hit reduuces the armor or something

I'm not sure what to call it, but I can see the possibility of a physical damage reaction that involves geo. Like mixing geo and anemo could make a burst of aoe physical damage in a sort of shrapnel like effect

@aggaviriyo790

Жыл бұрын

They ain't gonna add reactions. If they fo add something like this, it would he the characters' 2nd ascension passive like Nilou

@truemono02

Жыл бұрын

If they add any more reactions it might cause anxiety and depression and could confuse a lot of players to drive them away from the game. Change is scary 😨 man...

@frogthehamburger2374

Жыл бұрын

Geo and anemo don't stay on the enemies, it'd be impossible to apply both at the same time.

@brago900

Жыл бұрын

There are still elements to be implemented in the game. The seven base elements are only the natural elements of Teyvat but there are other elements that have external origins. In the card game they make you a ''spoiler'' of the colorless element of light capable of turning into any element (this is the element of the traveler). And Dainsleif is confirmed as a future playable character and his powers are linked to the abyss.

@kpkazan

Жыл бұрын

@@brago900 they legit said they are not adding anymore reactions or elements past what we have already in the interview they did a whole ago that they said no to 99% of the stuff we wanted Most games don't ever go past 5 with the 3 colours countering and then 2 off colours that benefit and counter each other, I dont see primordial element being an actual element we get

I'm 100% sure physical will receive some attention sooner or later, probably in the form of a 5 star support that further reduces resistance to physical. I'm sure they'll eventually release another 5 star support for geo that revolves around crystallize reactions and acts as a suitable replacement for Zhongli in a mono geo team. Genshin is going to be around for a while... the content release schedule just prioritizes certain gameplay designs over others in an attempt to keep the overall power level across playstyles relatively homogeneous. I personally think geo, anemo and physical should have the greatest access to vertical scaling considering how niche their damage is. As they exist currently, they're great... but they should design 5 star supports for each that take each up to the next level.

@kairos-049

Жыл бұрын

Hoyo already said they wouldn't be changing or augmenting the crystallize reaction so I'm not sure what a crystallize-centric character would even do. Also Shenhe already shreds phys resistance

@Abobus101

Жыл бұрын

@@kairos-049 They don't have to globally change an entire reaction. They can do something simillar to Nilou's passive and release a character that can locally change properties of a certain reaction. Imagine an EM scailing geo unit that creates stronger crystal shards, or a Physical Claymore user that somehow makes shatter useful.

@paulyu535

Жыл бұрын

@@kairos-049 Shenehe isn't a dedicated physical support and I doubt they will hold themselves to that. This game has many years to go and they've already proved through Nilou that augmenting reactions is within their scope. Edit: Yes, they will likely not change crystallize as a reaction, I agree, but they will likely release a geo character that augments crystallize. Important distinction. Do you really expect for the next 5 years they'll leave it alone just because they said that close to the beginning of the game's life? Not arguing here... just the way I see it. It's fine if you disagree, I just don't agree with you.

@cobaltstar_8281

Жыл бұрын

Physical doesn’t need more physical resistance shred, you can already do absurd amounts with superconduct + Eula e + Zhongli. Res shred is halved below 0, so it’s kinda useless. She needs other things, like DMG bonus or def shred or something

@paulyu535

Жыл бұрын

@@cobaltstar_8281 Yah I can agree with that.

I think they will revisit physical eventually, there are rumors that Pantalone (the 9th fatui harbinger) doesn't have a vision. Maybe there could be some characters focused in physical because they don't have a vision primarily and the elements are something secondary through other devices. We also know that there are some who can use elements without a vision like Signora.

@kami761

Жыл бұрын

It's not rumor. It's fact that Panatalone doesn't have a vision but he can have delusion like Childe or Signora

@jokc8

Жыл бұрын

Or just k*ll the character making them unplayable. (I.e. Signora)

Very wild theory, but Khaenri'ah could bring a bigger focus on physical damage. Maybe Dain will be a phys catalyst? But that's for like version 7. Rn, the biggest hope for physical is Mika, who's likely tied to a Eula rerun

@Mia-lw9xh

Жыл бұрын

I feel like it could be the opposite 😭 because the the ruin machine type enemies have insane phys res- so any new enemies related to that region would have the same issue

razor, although a physical dps, has seen some change in his playstyle with the addition of dendro. Besides physical, ppl also use abomination (3 EM) and electro razor

maybe i missed it, but another thing you could touch on is just how many enemies have been resistant to physical more than the elements since 2.0 or even earlier. enemies with 40%+ physical res are beginning to outweigh normalized physical res

A shatter based unit with like a Nilou type of passive that changes it would be really cool.

reminds me of how some time ago I came up with an idea for a physical catalyst, and it's just a character that slaps and crushes enemies with a book

Dont forget about c1 Fischl and her signature weapon, the mitternacht waltz, which also has physical dmg as the secondary stat

@yurimiracle7768

Жыл бұрын

honestly I don't understand Ficshl's c1. Ig its okay when you beat up one hilichurl, but for groups of enemies Oz will be with you on field and then her c1 won't work

@demonking-zm3rs

Жыл бұрын

Biggest issue is player's have a small box they love to put units in but the devs have there own toy box X unit only works for this suddenly "oh you can use X character this way" it's the problem with Meta Its destroys creativity

You are absolutely correct, but i see it as a win. I don't have to C6 many characters of the same element, I'll only have to C6 Eula. And looking at which direction Hoyoverse is going, it's safe to assume there will never be another/better Eula.

@lostblueboy

Жыл бұрын

lmao no but seriously....I would only want one c6, eula.

@brago900

Жыл бұрын

Varka

@chaosinfernoid9008

Жыл бұрын

"Only C6" ing X character. Yeah only a thousend dollars am i right? KEK Also there will be. Deffinitly. They always continue with the same characters.

@lostblueboy

Жыл бұрын

@@chaosinfernoid9008 nah, trust me, there might be other ways such as a c6 ayaka with shenhe and all that do outrageous amounts of damage. But someone like c6 eula is not gonna happen anytime soon. Also....I think they meant that IF they could c6, and as a f2p or dolphin you can...with multiple reruns.

@jinx3709

Жыл бұрын

@@chaosinfernoid9008 well, you don't have to spend thousand dollars, multiple reruns would suffice. I have been saving for a long time and now I have almost guaranteed C6. About another Eula-like character, trust me, it will never happen, powercreep is gone for good.

honestly I'd love to see a video about the rise of character exclusive supports (sara, gorou and now faruzan)

Good video something got to change with physical damage cause I really like building physical damage units. It can give extra secondary damage to elemental damage in certain situations. I treat it like a backup damage like if the element didn't crit. Hopefully, one day they'll revisit and fix physical damage units. Until then, I'll continue to build Xinyan along with physical Fischl and physical Kaeya is great but they need to stop shafting me when it comes to Aquila Favonia pulls. 🙃 I also have elemental builds for them too abyssal enemies are getting way too tanky.

My 2 favourite characters (and best invested characters) are both Eula and Noelle. I personally don't care that much for reactions, I use them a lot for some other teams I have and when I play with friends I'll nab sucrose or kazuha depending on what they want. However in most cases even if I don't have as much single hit damage (which is unlikely thanks to Eula) I can bring a lot of reliable consistent damage through both Noelle and Eula, there's been plenty of cases where my friends have missed their childe ult or they've misplaced their sucrose ult and then I clean up with a few N2D's back to back. I think the beauty in physical and geo damage is consistency rather than the shock factor. I mean why else does everyone have physical attacks in their kit somewhere ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

As someone who likes hack and slash game style, i fully built my c6 razor to do big phys dam. He currently has 70/160 cr ratio and does 20-35k per auto without the use of benny or food buffs. To me it feels more useful at times when i want to clear an area without the use of other characters.

im hoping they take their time with units now and to come- dendro characters have been really fun to play, so as a razor main I would have no worries if they come back at a later date to either impliment/re-visit reactions like shatter or such that dont really have much of a use atm and convert them to a reaction that benefits phys or just adding new units to the roaster. (I know this goes against everything genshins gameplay goes for, but a visionless unit that focuses on phys would be cool- yea it would be a tad bit bad cuz no element to help, but i find the team building aspect of genshin to be fun, so in a way, it could force ppl to have a look at their charcaters and see what fits)

8:49 Wow thanks for the great freeze team comp, with that team I was able to 36 star the abyss with the double ayaka team

I feel like the best first step towards making Physical noteworthy is something the Drakes have already been dabbling in: high elemental defenses. If we had enemies who would seem unfazed from reactions, even if only as a gimmick like the Abyss's shields, then that would incentivize people to bring someone who can function with out them

@jamacelmoge1444

Жыл бұрын

Single dumbest take in this section

Perhaps a way to help physical DPS teams do better would be to up the rewards of superconduct. Perhaps increase the AOE dmg range or something that wouldn't skew the meta too much in favor of phys teams, but just enough where it feels rewarding. Or perhaps adding a stagger element to superconduct so that combos aren't easily interrupted.

@rattango9819

Жыл бұрын

or just make superconduct and shatter a phys dmg bonus scaling + EM scaling. i mean melt and vapor already has crits. And since these won't crit better just give them phys dmg bonus scaling.

I want a playable character who just doesn't hold a vision and just punches enemies with big pp damage

if its true that the traveler and possibly dans will get some form of omni or light element or abyss element itd be a great way to add unique physical based reactions to those two types that create much needed support to phys damage teams. Maybe abyss inflicts a certain stacking vulnerability upon phys damage that steadily increases phys damage taken or light/omni granting damage spikes when the target takes physical damage scaling off the physical portion so units that scale well with it capitalize while units that only accidentally deal phys will get less benefit

You would think Geo (or at least Geo catalyst users like Ningguang) would deal Physical damage since you're literally throwing rocks at people.

They should make all elemental reactions reduce physical resist by 40%, (and give super conduct some new ability), that would open up a lot of team building possibilities.

@brago900

Жыл бұрын

All maybe not but burning should be able to do it.

@jadecoolness101

Жыл бұрын

superconduct should've worked like Quicken tbh

Don't tell him guys, Mika is about to do some little trolling

Phystical does fit into the elemental reaction system though, it doesn't eat up reactions. Eula's occasional cryo damage wont do much to interupt a sub dps reaction plan. Super conduct isn't the only multiplier to think about either, Eula for example shreds resistance, and there is potential for get +50% from doubling up on two piece set bonuses, and a very common enemy type weak to physical, humans. I've been using Eula in an otherwise hyperbloom team, and while I do get the occasional shatter going, off, the non reaction between cryo and dendro lets me slot it in for a superconduct in the middle of an otherwise full spread of reactions.

I personally think they are not done yet with Physical, considering the fact that they went out of their way to buff a even more unpractical playstyle (from a development standpoint): Anemo DMG (no swirl). I'd probably expect some adjustments to both Shatter and Superconduct, considering how they are not only unviable but also unpopular. The elefant on the room being a phys buffer, So i'd rather mention something more interesting. We don't have any "machine gun" non reaction (anemo/phys/geo) unit: Eula, Razor, Noelle and Itto are claymores (Razor and Itto relly on external mechanics to be fast), Wanderer proffers charged attack spam, Xiao does plunges, Ningguang has slow animations. I expect this from Fontaine and onwards, where there isn't really any novelty (hydro/pyro/cryo roster being big already) and is hard to improve teams.

@elloygarcia8155

Жыл бұрын

Bro every mono hypercarry team will eventually hit a wall ( elemental shield ) saying mono anemo or any other mono hypercarry team is unpractical is stupid, look at raiden hypercarry or xiao hypercarry they still melt the abyss even though they are focused on a single element electro and anemo

@Friki_gameplays

Жыл бұрын

​@@elloygarcia8155 ​ I didn't mean unpractical gameplay wise, I meant unpractical from a development standpoint. Geo and Phys have a stronger baseline to make units than "carry Anemo", considering they natural scalings (defense in geo's case), weapon stats (def and phys dmg bonus) or having a reaction (superconduct in phys case).

Mika NEEDS to be a physical support character. It makes sense as he works under Eula and we already have 4* cryo supports. I really hope he ends up being a physical support and not another cryo one!

Great video man, interesting subject indeed! Btw what is the name of the last song please ?

I feel like a simple way to improve interest in normal damage is when you proc superconduct all visual numbers of normal damage have a halo like aura to give more presentation. This also help you keep track of whether your buff is up.

As a Eula main, i like how the physical damage is underrated, makes me think how rock lee keeps up to a decent level to the rest of the naruto characters even though he can't use ninjutsu. The idea of working twice as hard to achieve almost the same thing to the elemental damage dealers and not complain about it seems very cool and stoic In my opinion. like that badass higher who enters with no weapons in a battle full of weapons and he still kicks ass.

Mika watching this 👁️👄👁️

I do think they will make physical damage stronger by the time we reach Natlan, seeing Capitano and Varka, then on Snezhnaya when the Tsaritsa and the Harbingers become the focus. Seems like the Bloodstained Cavalry set and Pale Flame set would suit those characters. Something similar to why they let us see Venti first since he will have a major impact by the end story, those two sets would definitely grow stronger by the end as well (at least I think so)

i think a way to revive this would be to add in an enemy who would consistently gain elemental resistance with elemental attacks, and who would be more vulnerable to phys dmg also, adding phys dmg bonuses to bounties would incentivize physical dps characters too... (but if mihoyoverse sticks to the pattern of revamping the game + elemental system every 2-3 years, then i'd guess they'd add more physical support in natlan since, y'know, that's supposed to be the nation of war

Eula being the only physical 5 star makes her feel special in a way i wouldnt want to many physical characters myself but i wouldnt mind seeing some more

I think they should bring this element more attention because given how this element works they would be more encouraged to give characters with this element unique kits just because Eula didn't end up that interesting doesn't mean people don't like the element in general. If anything making a character that can be very viable as a physical unit like Rosaria is a good alternative if they've given up on raw physical units. All I'm saying is that unique kits and gameplay can go a long way for neglected elements

Razor has evolved. “Oops all colors” where C6 Benny and Dendro stuff makes Razor sidestep his blunt past. Xinyan is there for the hardcore people to appreciate. Eula isn’t suffering insofar as number v number hasn’t yet gone outside of her control. Her Q still deals anywhere from 55% to over 100% of an enemy’s starting health bar, even in 12-3, so until they drop a 5mill HP enemy in there she’ll be perfectly fine as is. When that does happen I foresee a similar thing as with Razor, where people will just go Pyro with her.

You should cover how razor playstyle changed after sumeru, he became surprisingly strong.

You forgot about physical (shotgun) amber! I know she's not the best but it's surprisingly good and just plain fun to play, I feel like she deserves a mention There's also physical Qiqi, Kaeya, and Jean. All honourable mentions

@brago900

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Physical Qiqi has even logic since its main source of damage is the clam set and the only way to increase its damage is to reduce the opponent's physical resistances.

@J.sh_CDN

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I feel like lots of cryo and electro characters have physical as a backup option. Physical Keqing being one, as well as your physical Kaeya and Qiqi. Physical Fischl used to be a thing, as well as most crescent pike users. Now, I actually use a physical Kuki a lot of the time. Her Skill works great with the Pale flame set, and her normal attack multipliers are decent you just don't expect much from her skill or burst other than a bit of electro for superconduct

In terms of indirect buffs, I’m hoping to see Mika become a Physical Support. In terms of direct, Hoyo has buffed the Geo element and reactions in 1.5 and 1.6, so it’s not completely out of the question for Physical DMG to get a buff or full scale rework. Fingers crossed

A Gorou-type phys support that buffa phys damage and can also constantly apply either cryo or electro would be perfect. They boost phys directly AND provides half of the superconduct equation

well, we still have some gameplay we can use. atkspd, bleed, mvspd, etc. if opponent has geo element on them, and you attack physically, they get paralized/impaired, atkspd/movspd reduced. if opponent has anemo on them, atkspd/movspd against them increases. and if you continuosly attack physical, they will bleed.

I have always felt that Physical was just a much worse version of Geo. Geo is my favorite element because it acts inert to the other elements for the most part. With the release of Dendro this has become a big strength for Geo since its lack of reactions means it doesn't interfere with your Dendro core reactions. But like you said its still an element and it still has unique properties to it. All of the Geo characters save for maybe Ningguang care about being Geo characters, but the same can't be said for the phys units. Xinyan would be way better as just a pyro unit as would Razor with Electro. I've always had the suspicion that Eula is aloud to do the damage that she does BECAUSE shes a Physical unit. If she had an element and had access to meaningful damage based reactions then her numbers would have to be toned down to compensate. But since she is physical she can do the damage that she does because shes completely self contained.

@asterion3587

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Physical as a form of damage is "better" than Geo, it has a lot specific weapons that greatly improve damage, a dedicated reaction to increase its damage. The real problem is that the characters except Xinyan and Eula have no physical damage in their skill kit... Geo has as a sub-dps to Albedo and all elements have sub dps that do damage from their element... unfortunately not physical. The only thing Xinyan needed to be a good character was to be Electro, unfortunately Pyro doesn't help a physical team at all

@gaika6244

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Add to what the person above has already posted, Geo and now Anemo now get their own buffer as well in Gorou and Faruzan (despite her energy issue below C6). Plus if you run mono Geo, with Gorou Albedo and Itto, you'd have a solid support, DPS, and sub DPS. In physical team (I'm only talking about Eula here as Xinyan's kit is just a mess), Eula is the only damage dealer, unless you're running her with Raiden Shogun. The problem is Shogun is probably the most busted unit in the game alongside Kazuha and Nahida that she's better on other team. If you're not running Raiden with Eula, Eula's team is literally just a Cryo battery (Diona and/or Rosaria) plus Electro units for more energy and to debuff the enemy by triggering Superconduct. The problem is so many enemies are highly resistant to Physical damage that even though Eula has a built in Physical shred in her kit and Superconduct also helps, it's still not a buff for her, it's debuffing the enemies. It's unlike many other team, especially one with VV holder where you get attack buff and debuffing enemies by triggering the 4pc VV effect. Add to that those team also has sub DPSes that actively deals damage alongside the on field character. Eula's team is just Eula.

We will definitely be getting a Shenhe type character that goes with Physical, so if you're a Eula stan make sure to save your primos for it

@Saturos226

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Shenhe already does reduce physical resistance, and in addition to the cryo buff her skill can either buff skills/bursts or attacks regardless of element.

@IAmTheTrickster

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@@Saturos226 Shenhe is NOT that good as it should on paper. Rosaria C6 is much more consistent than Shenhe on doing that work and is also much more accessible as unit. There's no place for Shenhe on a Physical team, unless you want to pretend so.

@nia5370

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@@IAmTheTrickster a c6 4* is the definition of not accessible

@novidas1613

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@@nia5370 I would be able to agree with you on this notion if it wasn't for the fact that Shenhe is the ONLY 5 star character aside from obviously the brand-new Sumeru ones that hasn't gotten a SINGULAR rerun despite being added to the game an entire YEAR ago, and as long as banners remain as they are now, this issue will only be exacerbated further and further to the point that people will have to wait even longer than that to see any older limited 5 star characters return

Perhaps they could add a new resonance for having a party of just electro and cryo? Or could try introducing a cryo/electro character with a passive that increases something like physical dmg bonus for the team (or maybe just onfield character) Then having the bonus increase depending on how many cryo/electro characters were in the party? That’s all I can really think of besides some massive rework to reactions or them making some new artifact set that’s a hit or miss. 4pc Ocean-hued clam also applies phys dmg like some other weapon passives in the game so that’s another potential route.

as a razor main from week one of the game, I feel like elements do in fact augment his play in meaningful ways because of how electro, hydro, and cryo interact and stack on enemy units. razor essentially is able to create teams that constantly freeze, superconduct and shatter (another physical damage type) enemy units in a really rapid fire fashion. that also keeps them grouped up due to the cc from freeze. I think attack speed is the key for physical units down the line since we also have normal attack buffers in the game already