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@125brat

8 күн бұрын

I think you need to revise your camera setup for such important interviews and recordings. Maybe at least one camera fixed on a long shot of the group you can cut to whilst framing the close-ups and maybe 2 cameras for the closeups. It looks to me like you're trying to do the whole interview with just one camera which is almost impossible for an ad-hoc response shoot. Even a GoPro on a tripod will work, or possibly a later iPhone, but be careful of crossing the line. You can edit it all together with multicam edit software such as Lightworks, Final Cut Pro or similar.

@JOHNEDGINTONDOCUMENTARIES

8 күн бұрын

@@125brat This is on the video info NOTES RE CAMERA ISSUES Why is the camera moving so much? There were 3 cameras. you’re only seeing the “ rushes” footage from one of them. The camera operator is changing shots and focus to get variety - to be intercut with the other two in the edit.

@125brat

8 күн бұрын

@@JOHNEDGINTONDOCUMENTARIES OK John, Thanks for your reply. Sorry I didn't see your notes re camera movements before I posted my comment. Well done and keep up the good work!

I wonder if Tony's mellowing and inclination towards emotional honesty has been fuelled by the fact that he now knows (and accepts) that he's the LEAST commercially successful solo artist within this group of five? I think this would definitely affect MY attitude if I were placed in his shoes. I'd be extremely sensitive to the court of "public" opinion, because it's the purchasing public who ultimately get to decide if they're going to bless an artist's SOLO endeavours or not, and provide them with a layer of secondary validation which goes above and beyond their "group" output. Was it Tony Smith who said that Genesis was Tony's "solo" career in many ways? I think I understand what he meant by this now, in that....Genesis was the only type of commercial vehicle which was capable of showcasing Tony's talents as a writer and musician to a very large audience, but back in the day, Tony (himself) may not have really realised or accepted this? Pete, Phil, Mike and Steve all went on to prove that they could market themselves as artists "beyond" the Genesis sphere.....and generate some independent commercial demand for their own projects. I guess I'm just saying that Tony's early years inclination towards "getting his own way" as a senior group member...(which is how he saw himself)......must have eventually been greatly eroded by the stark reality that he possessed no real "solo" kudos.....whereas the others DID begin to accrue this with each passing year. I’m not suggesting that the others might have begun to actively try and devalue Tony as a writer, but more than likely, this unspoken truth MAY have just motivated Tony to "wind his neck in" a little whenever they were doing group projects. What's great is that their relationships were all solid enough to withstand these "political" shifts within the group dynamic, and that Tony was intelligent and humble enough to keep on re-appraising his own shifting status as his co-writers began to outgrow him...." commercially" speaking at least. I just get the impression that Mike & Phil (especially) had sincere affection for Tony and knew and accepted the way he was. Not so much with Pete and Steve, however. Steve probably suffered the most from Tony's flexing and "rank" pulling back when the group was still the primary vehicle for all involved. And as for the Tony & Pete relationship, well that was probably already in place and heavily cemented by their juvenile sensibilities as schoolboy friends.....which meant that they were comfortable enough to "row" with eachother at the drop of a hat.....much to the bemusement of those who became latterly involved with the group. Any residual "frostiness" that viewers sense or observe between Tony and Steve, may well be predicated on the fact that these two guys were the LEAST commercially viable musicians and writers amongst their other Genesis peers. Perhaps they BOTH knew this (deep down) and perhaps that's why Tony became so assertive and possessive over the output? At that stage, there was probably only room for ONE dominant writer who was reliant on the "group" as their primary vehicle.....and as far as Tony was concerned.....well......he got there first and held the most provenance. Steve eventually just "read the room" and realised that Tony's attitude was very much "take it or leave it" as far as how the group's collective idea-space was going to be shared out. Whatever personal profile he'd thusfar built for himself in his association with the group was about as big as it was ever likely to get. Would it be "enough?" Well, the passage of time went on to prove that it WAS enough. If Tony had been the one to relinquish his "group" association after Wind and Wuthering, would HE have been able to utilise his Genesis profile as an introductory push towards a successful solo career? I guess we'll never know. Because, solo "toe-dips" aside, Tony has never seemed confident enough to want to totally "sever" the Genesis umbilical and go "all in" with his own solo ambitions. Pete went that way circumstantially. Phil went that way "accidentally" (more or less) Mike went that way "just for fun" (it would seem) Steve went that way out of professional "necessity" Tony TRIED to go that way....but possessed no commercial "charisma" whatsoever. For some reason, the public were not enticed into trying to discover or unwrap him as some kind of artistic "enigma." Because he wasn't one. Not as a solo artist at least. As the brooding, quiet and somewhat handsome Genesis keyboardist however, Tony was worshipped for his finger-blurring solos and deadpan stage presence. That is where he's always been at his best IMHO. As a VITAL, core component within an extremely tight and talented musical collective. Copied by many....but equalled by few.

To me the LAMB was a Epic and Dramatic Album....My favorite songs were ...CARPET CRAWLERS...RIDE THE SCREE...The LAMIA..BACK IN NYC...💯💯💯💯🥰🥰🎤🎧🎹🎹🎹🎹🎹🎸🎸🥁🥁🥁🥁

It’s like watching a counselling session where you can still sense the various tensions within the band . The body language through out is so telling .

@damienfoyer

12 күн бұрын

Tony Banks is such a dictator, all these decades later he still doesn't even want Steve Hackett to have a voice. Watch Banks as Steve talks.

It is rare for a band, that all members were equally talented and got successful solo careers. Lets not forget Anthony Phillips, Genesis first guitar player. He deserves to be recognized. .He recorded many fabulous solo albums as well.

@JOHNEDGINTONDOCUMENTARIES

2 ай бұрын

I agree. My two-part interview with Anthony is on this channel.

Art reflects life reflects Art reflects...(ad infinitum)...The Lamb could only have been written with the air of torment and paranoia and distance within the players themselves, making Rael - well - Real! 🤓 I hope, HOPE the 'five' know how important, and vital these early records are to us...'Suppers Ready' was the first song that had me obsessed with this thing called music. I was age 10. A cassette of 'Seconds Out' was given to me, at a time I was just discovering what was to become my career and lifelong love. Listen to SR was a deeply spiritual experience for me, and at that age, utterly lifechanging...Much love to the guys, AND you, John, for these uploads. Best. M.E. ❤

I love this, very interesting, the Lamb to me is a masterpiece, brilliant piece of music.

Having discovered Genesis in my teenage youth with Invisible Touch, I worked my way through their catalogue and although enjoying the Gabriel era was firmly in the Collins camp. But in the last few years I've had a rediscovery, everything is familiar as music stays with you for life, but now with more of a musical understanding I've been blown away by Nursery Cryme through Lamb which in my opinion got better with each release, and now Lamb is my favourite Genesis album. Certainly the live version on Archive #1 is something I will never tire of. It's great hearing the guys talking about it. If only there was more footage / recordings from that tour.

Thanks for posting this. I have been a fan of Genesis, whatever their lineup was. And, I appreciate their honesty on the things that occurred, without anyone getting upset. Seeing how Phil is physically right now, I'm glad you historically captured this interview with all five of these great musicians.

Another Favorite GENESIS album was SELLING ENGLAND BY THE POUND...💯💯💯💯💜💜💜💜🎧🎤🎹🎹🎹🎹🥁🥁🥁🥁🎸🎸

And then there were 1,085… I find it almost unbelievable that, even with a previous release of this interview, there are so few of us really committing and listening word-for-word to this whole conversation. For those of us who are really touched by the history and music of Genesis (often from a young age), this is spine-tingling stuff. A transitional, tumultuous period for our favorite band, with the inner workings revealed by a conversation that is so open on the part of these guys. Plus some heartwarming chuckles between the guys to smooth it over a little bit. I feel like we are part of a small club who really are staying committed to this thin-and this interview gives us a privileged inner look at a convoluted, painful period for the band. This is just incredible stuff. I’m rambling on a little bit, but hopefully my point is made: gratitude to the filmmaker and interviewer: thank you, John!!!

@JOHNEDGINTONDOCUMENTARIES

2 ай бұрын

I love your wonderfully “rambling” comment. Thank you !

@rhythmfield

2 ай бұрын

@@JOHNEDGINTONDOCUMENTARIES glad we have mutual appreciation here. Wish I could donate for your efforts, I am a self funding musician working on some projects right now, but please know that your work is greatly appreciated, you probably know that already.

Thanks! This is wonderful material about the band more than the music. Not that I dislike the music but it’s keenly satisfying to hear how the musicians worked to make such wonderful songs and a truly wonderful concept album.

@JOHNEDGINTONDOCUMENTARIES

2 ай бұрын

Cheers ! Very much appreciated! Love your take on this too.

I cannot thank you enough for making this moment possible for all of us fans to enjoy! Thank you John!

Absolutely fantastic have a wonderful day John ❤❤❤❤❤❤😊😊😊😊😊😊😊

Thank you so much for sharing these interviews !!

When Peter says "Supper's Ready"...it still sounds like he has just announced the next song and they're all about to actually play it.. :)

Very nice. I couldn't imagine sitting in your seat, facing these legends in person. Great work

Wonderful ❤

These new versions are wonderful - I'm loving all of the extra detail. Thanks once more, John!

Thank you for these uncut interviews. Absolute gold dust for us fans ❤

@JOHNEDGINTONDOCUMENTARIES

2 ай бұрын

My pleasure!

Es siempre sorprendente constatar las tensiones internas de la banda en la grabación de "The Lamb", para mi, uno de los mejores albumes de la historia dell rock. Igualmente sorprende escuchar a Phill decir que no sentía su autoria, o que se sintió ignorado, cuando su trabajo de batería y percusión es uno de los mejores y mas inspirados trabajos de bateria que uno pueda escuchar everr!!

I love hearing Mike and Peter clash

@birdzzzondayflu2489

2 ай бұрын

This is the essence of genesis

Steve the outsider. Tony full of himself but zero contribution musically, Phil and Peter the true icons, both brilliant.

Tony and Mike's resentment towards Steve is very evident. They never look him in the face and avoid talking to him. Zero empathy.

@arkadiy6031

17 күн бұрын

But it should be the other way around. Steve, by all accounts, was practically deprived of the right to vote and the opportunity to reveal himself among people who said that his departure had practically no effect on anything. On top of everything else, they obviously deliberately "drowned" his guitar in the mix of "Seconds Out". And they are also offended by something else. What a strange attitude.

@cliff.allister

12 күн бұрын

@@arkadiy6031 And it is the irony today that it is Steve who is still successfully waving the Genesis-flag! He is the only true Genesis-member left. The only one that proudly stands by what the group has achieved in its prime years. For us "old" fans Steve now is the true heart and soul of Genesis!

@bent2

11 күн бұрын

Mike and Tony has always been this way because of their background. Upper class and private school. It's just the attitude. I don't think they have a problem with Steve now. Phil have the same background as Steve, but he was/is a very outgoing person. Steve is more quiet and introvert.

@maxperli

11 күн бұрын

​@@bent2Well, Peter has the same background of Tony and Mike... The problem is that five composers with strong personalities can't fit in a group, due to lack of physical space, as Tony himself has said several times. Tony and Steve (and Peter) are the ones who hardly give up their ideas. And in fact the two left, the three of them managed to manage themselves better, even if it's clear which of the three composed the song.

@bent2

7 күн бұрын

@@maxperli But I can say that Mike seems more grumpy and uptight in his later life. He used smile more and seemed relaxed when he was younger. He rarely smiles now. Maybe he was more jolly when he was younger because he smoked alot of weed. I dunno 🤷‍♂️

had to give fly on a windshield/broadway melody of 1974 a listen after that

@tdom2957

2 ай бұрын

0:08 I love the segue from The Lamb into Fly ... Mike's 12 string rhythm and Tony's ambient Mellotron Choir setting the stage for Pete's " & I'm hovering like a fly, waiting for a windshield on a freeway"...BOOM!!!

I think maybe the fans have been right all along, the chief tension seems to be between Pete and Phil. From not knowing, and then declining to hug one another, to Phil's constantly bringing it up, and Pete speaking for him, about the whole 'Phil was getting sick of my getups'. I think there is more truth to it than Phil would like to admit. David Hentchel produced Trick of the Tail and in another interview says that Phil very much wanted to sing. In this interview Pete seems to have enough of that, and says that he and Phil would often sit down and be 'working on their own thing'. I think it could be partly this idea of Phil as the 'reluctant rock star' that Pete seems sick of, when frankly they ALL were that. As Tony says, they loved music, and if they could make a living at it so much the better, and they did, kudos for that, beers all around. The same with Phil, its hardly his fault he wrote good songs that lots of people liked. Its really the fan base that almost demands they be apologetic for expressing themselves musically in a certain way. At the same time some people take the distintion between art and commerce seriously, and think of simplicity as being a sell out. What I find interesting is the lack of critical commentary on the fact that 'the lamb lies down on broadway' seems a pretty patently ANTI american album. The crass commercialization and the 'lamb' as either just a ritual sacrifice, or an allusion to jesus 'lying down' on broadway to be sacrificed with the 'grand parade of lifeless packaging' seems pretty pointedly anti american. Something that I can understand from THEN, but then you had the jingoism of the eighties and the fall of russia into the nineties, so that theme got over shadowed. Today it seems less a 'spiritual journey into the soul' and more a political album that has a lot of the same themes that Pink Floyd later trotted out with The Wall.

This is a mislabeled therapy session between the guys

But GENESIS had a Strong ITALIAN FAN BASE .!!💯💯💯💯🥰🥰🥰🥰

"The New Jerusalem and blah, blah, blah." Oh, Pete ...

As for the naked girls, that was Seattle. I was there.

John thanks. Is this a first time release? Loving this.

@JOHNEDGINTONDOCUMENTARIES

2 ай бұрын

No but previous one was blocked by a copyright claim so I re-edited it to take that on board

Genesis - красивая машина, непревзойдённая в своём роде. Если разобрать её на узлы, механизмы, детали и запчасти и восторгаться коленвалом, ставя его в пример распредвалу, морщиться от правого переднего колеса, нахваливая левое заднее, то получится буквально то, что я читаю в комментариях😅 Привет из России/Советского Союза

7:23 Phil steals the conversation

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Wow ! Look at Steve’s face at 12.40 when Tony talks . He quite obviously doesn’t agree with his comment .

There's always been Ethel....

@JoeSmith-eo7rc

Ай бұрын

Jacob wake up you gotta tidy your room now

@welshhibby

9 күн бұрын

@@JoeSmith-eo7rc Then Mr Lewis, isnt time you were out on your own ?

Interesting to see when Pete talks about his priorities to his family the rest of the band's body language comes off as "he's talking BS"

@mikearchibald744

2 ай бұрын

I didn't get that, they've all admitted to being unsympathetic. Tony you can't tell whether he's blowing it off with "well thats our upbringing" or more likely "yes, we've done interviews before, I've admitted I was a prick, can we move on?" At the same time I don't get how he was going off to Hollywood if that was going on. The body language to me was "oh geez can we get this over with". In hindsight I think I'd be fine if they had come in saying "can we not talk about Pete and Steve leaving yet again". I'd rather see them all comfortable and joking about their time together not feeling like "I'm glad I dont work with those bastards again" at the end.

Camera work not good

@JOHNEDGINTONDOCUMENTARIES

2 ай бұрын

Please read the video info on this which explains it

Rutherford ‘s stiff upper lip

The camera work is awful

@JOHNEDGINTONDOCUMENTARIES

2 ай бұрын

Please read the explanation which is below the video.

@rhythmfield

2 ай бұрын

And: wrong! The camera work captures the intensity of this conversation.