Note: when I talk about the PA's making it into the Santa Fe days I mean the D&H when these unit were bought and run on that railroad till the early 70's.

@northcamarolina7453

Ай бұрын

The LV kept their PAs running until approx 1960, so not all were abandoned as early as you imply.

@alcobufff

Ай бұрын

@@northcamarolina7453 My apologies. I got the dates wrong when I recoded the audio.

Honestly, THIS is what a passenger locomotive should look like. Just love 'em.

@DiscothecaImperialis

5 ай бұрын

It neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeds to have streamlined hull even it it doesn't really runs THIS Fast. Europeans never seems to have THIS Good taste when it comes with Loco and Coach passenger trains in Diesel Era. instead they prefer multipurpose locomotives (which several times lack of beauty it deserves for passenger services).

As a Brit, I consider these E Series to be the definitive American locomotive.

EMD streamliners are my favorite class of locomotive. Thanks a lot for this.

@DiscothecaImperialis

5 ай бұрын

Something many national railroads sorely missed it. including SRT. whom procurement committee has always been tasteless. :P

Nice job, Peter! This video confirmed what I always suspected about the E series which is that they were largely too heavy and inefficient when compared to the F units and GP's of the time. Very cool to find out the actual details of their development and lives.

@neiloflongbeck5705

5 ай бұрын

Nice example of he use of hindsight.

@uncipaws7643

5 ай бұрын

It seems like the Santa Fe switched to F units (equipped with steam heating) in front of their long distance passenger trains pretty soon, finding them more practical for their requirements.

I’m 74 now, born in ‘49 in Modesto. Family and friends knew I was nuts as I was constantly drawn to the rails running through town. You cover one heck of a lot of locomotive history here and you do it well! Thanks!

Awesome work!

Very interesting history. The Illinois Railway Museum has an operating C. B. & Q. E-5. It's a very classy-looking locomotive with its long, slanted nose. It and its matching stainless steel train set are a beautiful example of elegant, passenger travel from long ago.

@tonyromano6220

5 ай бұрын

Nice.

A very informative video. Thanks for making it available.

@user-ih1mo8vv7o

2 ай бұрын

❤❤❤❤❤ great video

The thing is, as far as I know, the 567 had 2 versions. One is the slight improvement of reliability from the Winton 201A and the other is the 567A, 567B, 567C, and 567D. The main difference is in the assembly parts of the crankshaft as well as the bearings and the gearing for the Roots-blower. Hence why the original 567 with 12 cylinder only managed 900hp meanwhile the 12-567A is 1000hp. Interestingly enough, although the A, B, C, and D is a bit different each other, you basically could fits their parts on any type of the engine. For example, you have an A block but because it is so rare, the only thing you can find is C assembly but magically, it fits perfectly. But if you had an original 567 or even Winton 201A, you couldn't fit the parts from the A, B, C, let alone D. E-unit problems is that because there is two engines, it is heavy even though it has 3 axle for each bogie/truck. If it has only 1 engine, let say, a 16-567B (1500hp) or C (1750hp) or even a 16-567D3 with Turbocharger (2000hp) coupled with the appropriate electrical things with the engine it has, it is lighter but still have same traction capability as a standard E-units. The Alcemdestein (ALCo-EMD mix) RS3 engine is a funny yet unique one. Placing a reliable 12-567 engine in practical RS3 chassis.

One of my favorite locomotives! Great video.

Have an E7 and 4 E-8s (2pwr.2 non power) pulling passenger sets on our N-scale layout in PRR era.

Great work

Great documentary. Thanks

Fantastic work! Been waiting for one like this👍🏻

Great Video! Personally, I think the E units are some of the best looking streamlined locomotives ever built!

Great video! You do a fantastic job with the historical highlights. I have two E6s, E7A and B and two E8/9s on my HO layout. All but one in the Florida East Coast livery. They look elegant going around the track much like they did in real life. Again, thanks for sharing your insight.

Just a minor correction: the Cascade Tunnel, for which Ralph Budd was credited by the narrator was not in the Rocky Mountains but in Washington State. You know, only about 200 miles to the West.

Great work! Keep em coming

One little thing: IN 1940, there was no Seaboard Coast Line. Seaboard Air Line.Railroad. that's all.

The Alco PA more glamorous than the E or F?! No way. Especially the earlier Es with the slantier nose, which were the best looking ever made.

@lablaine1981

Ай бұрын

Speaking of alcothe RS #3#4#5 gets my 2 ND place vote

lov the video, and the e and f locos

Thanks for the video. :-)

Nice work!! A correction, though - Rock Island's TA locomotives were actually prototypes for what would become the F unit, not the E unit. The TA's were four-axle units, powered by a single 16-cylinder Winton 201-A rated at 1200 horsepower. They are also closely related to the Union Pacific Streamliner "power cars" built after M-10,000 - M-10,002; the original power for The City of Denver, and The City of Los Angeles. They too sported 1200-horse, 16-cylinder Wintons, riding on four axles, but the carbodies were built by Pullman Standard. Thanks, KUTGW!!!

Great video

This is a well researched episode, and great to discuss the birth of the streamliner coaches as well.

@alcobufff

5 ай бұрын

Thanks! I always like to tell the whole story and give a much background as possible, without going overboard.

NOHAB in sweden got license from emd to build two versions. one diesel and one eloco for the swedish state railroads. they made one four axel unit and one six axel unit both types went as export to Denmark and Norway . the moast of these units went to DSB i Denmark. But those units was bought back to sweden by private rail companies. i know one unit that had a blue and white livery with gm painted on a side and b side. the e loco was built by NOHB and the electrical parts from ASEA. there are two e units in preservation at swedish state railrway museum and both are in perfect condtion and they pull special trains. thanks for the intresting video on early diesel locos. 🇸🇪🇸🇪👍🇸🇪👍👍👍🇸🇪

@uncipaws7643

5 ай бұрын

As far as I know all the NOHAB/EMD locomotives were single engine, but with 3-axle bogies that might have been derived from the EMD E-units.

@odenviking

5 ай бұрын

@@uncipaws7643 could be since swedish state railways only bought locos acording to there own specs. the nohab dielsel was for the export market. exept rapid loco witch was a collab between sj, nohab and asea. 🇸🇪🇸🇪👍👍👍👍👍👍

@uncipaws7643

5 ай бұрын

@@odenviking Denmark even ordered a lightweight version (MX) with 16 t axle load for branch lines.

@odenviking

5 ай бұрын

@@uncipaws7643 yes they did i do not know if any of the private rail companies bought those mx locos. but i know that they bought tmz locos from denmark for use on the swedish rail system.

@uncipaws7643

5 ай бұрын

@@odenviking A number of MX are still in use in both Denmark and Sweden: CFL cargo Danmark: 2 (MX 1023, 1029). Regionstog: 1 (MX 1005=42). Midtjyske Jernbaner: 1 (MX 1025=26). Inlandsbanan: 4 (TMX 1013, 1014, 1016, 1021=104). Contec Rail: 3 (MX 1006, 1008, 1009) Svensk Tågkraft: 8 (TMX 1004, 1009, 1012, 1031, 1033, 1038, 1041, 1042). BSM Järnväg: 1 (TMX 1032). Railcare Tåg: 1 (TMX 1032). BK Tåg: 2 (TMX 1024, 1027). TTT: 1 (TMX 1015).

Love it ❤ thank you !! Great old lifestyle photos!!

Seaboard Coast Line didn't form until 1967.

The Louisville and Nashville Railroad bought the last E6s and had the most E6s. The last ones were made in April 1942.

I'm noticing the Zephyr Truck in the credits and remember one picture that's a lot more flattering, from Lucius Beebe's book High Iron. Think it's the last page (or else the last section: Speed) shows a Zephyr observation car from a crouching position with emphasis on the streamlined wheeltruck. Lot's of info in this video! Thanks alot.

Thank you

Excellent job…very in depth video!

Excellent video. It is very informative and has some excellent photographs. The EMD F Units are some of my favourite locomotives. Thank you.

@alcobufff

5 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it

Never stop with the dad jokes. Great video as always!

@alcobufff

5 ай бұрын

Glad you like them!

3:49 love it!

Appreciated the pictures of Ashland VA as well as the shot of Richmond’s Union Station. The latter is now the science museum, most trains using the Amshack on the edge of town. Sic transit gloria mundi!

good video

Always a pleasure to watch your videos. Great presentation and always filled with information about the evolution of those things that rode on rails.

@alcobufff

14 күн бұрын

Thanks!

Fascinating!

Great job enjoyed this video. Very informative and while I enjoyed the humor don’t give up your day job lol

Excellent video, very informative 👍

Living in Northern suburbs of Chicago I had the Northwestern and Milwaukee roads to watch back in the fifties and sixties steam was gone streamliners were in service. I rode pullman service north to Michigan's upper peninsula and south to the Gulf coast when I was very young. I saw the Turbo trains come and go I watched as one cleared the Rondout junction plates by a foot pushing around 100 mph as it went through. I stand on the pedestrian path, at Rondout, that replaced the electric North Shoreline to watch Freights, Amtrak and the local suburban trains. Good overview.

Thanks for another Great great video alcoguy

@alcobufff

4 ай бұрын

Your welcome!

The Santa Fe “war bonnet” livery, at least I think is what’s called is such a classic design. I don’t think I’ve ever seen one I like better. I’m not a huge rail fan but find the history of railroads interesting, We are so fortunate to have had the rail system during WW2, too many people don’t appreciate the contribution rail played. They just bitch about being delayed at crossings……..

Most informative video I have ever seen on this excellent subject. Very good job. I salute you.😊🎉

This is a great video.

NS inherited the Pennsy/Conrail E-8's for their Executive train. Now they're painted Tuscan red with the gold pin striping.

YES YEEES YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES- Plankton !

lots of information for sure. thanks

@alcobufff

5 ай бұрын

You bet

Nice!!!!

Need more of this! Can do only so much avaition. Seen coming ? It was coming since 1937 latest. What does this have to do with train design?

Great video. Very informative, however there is a small punctuation error in the title. The apostrophe should be after the "s" in Motors not before. Any time a word ending in "s" is used to show possession, the opostrophe goes after the "s".

Sounds familiar to what's happening today. Same skepticism about switching to all electric vehicles today. Innovation is what keeps the economy alive.

A great video describing the development of rail, air and truck transportation. Then throw in the epa/fuel consumption. Add politics with federal grants. Youve covered all the bases. The jokes and humor are cool 😉

WWII was could be seen coming years before 12/7/41

@alcobufff

5 ай бұрын

I'm sorry if i was not clear. I was speaking of the transport revolution, that the new technology brought on by WWII sparked. Such as, the in enhancement's in aircraft as well as the fact that there were now so many of them available as surplus for cheep. Thanks for watching!

Nice Job ,, I'm a budd fan ,, Terrific Video

@alcobufff

5 ай бұрын

Thanks 👍

Great documentary; those heavy old locomotives looked fantastic. Shame passenger rail almost got organized out of existence by the road and then the air lobby leaving just commuter and tourist lines. But there's a renaissance now with those Brightline trainsets which, if not subject to a new bunch of dirty tricks, could spread successfully to dozens of places. As has been found in the UK, it's just not possible to bulldoze old city center areas and suburbs for new high speed tracks without vested interest groups stonewalling forever, so the good old days of continental rail can't come back. And even if they could who, apart from a tourist, wants to take 3 days to go where an airplane can go in six hours.

It would be good to look at the units that are still running in Australia. There's a few in active service still

The E-4's featured a unique tip out nose door to mate with the diaphragm of the passenger cars

Very informative Thanks mate. Hare Krishna.

15:40 th3 TA locomotives had a single prime mover and two axle four wheel trucks. The "T: stand for one "T"housand power

@13:33 Burlington Northern Zephyr, LOL!

Still waiting for a place to pause the video so I can get back to work…

Nice video! Streamline diesels are so awesome. That would have been weird to have a swimming pool on a train, how would the water stay in its place?

24:10 Is that North Elizabeth Station, No Elizabeth, NJ??

The sal E6 introduced the door on the nose.

@Jimmy-zo7xv

5 ай бұрын

The door on the nose is an abomination jus sayin

will you talk about any export units?

@alcobufff

5 ай бұрын

That would depend on the availability of material for said locomotive. Did you have one in mind you would like me to make a video on?

@muhammadfadhiil5992

5 ай бұрын

@@alcobufff perhaps the EMD G8s and G12s or the Clyde Engineering Bulldog nose diesels

Are you able to share the source for the photo at 23:50? What a great shot! Is it publicly available?

If you wish to buy a full size E-8A unit, there is one for sale. Priced at $158,000. Batteries need replacing.

@chuckgilly

5 ай бұрын

"Batteries not included" LOL

13:56 Did he say speeds of several hundreds miles per hour?

32:09 😂😂😂😂

What trains had swimming pools in them ??

@alcobufff

4 ай бұрын

This was a proposal from the late 30's early 40's. As fair as I know, It did not even make it to the concept stage. Thanks' for watching!

15:31 "with 6-axle trucks" .. Did you mean 3-axle rucks, for a total of 6 axles? or is the other commenter correct that the locomotive had n fact 4 axles, total?

@alcobufff

4 ай бұрын

I referring to there being 6 axles total. Sorry for the confusion.

In the American market they are lower and have a greater supply compared to the European market (the U.K. has a quantity of material but the prices are a little high). Kato doesn't even see himself and I know he has good material. German companies do it with quality but at a high price. Yes, there are other companies but they are in the U.K. and soon the pre-payment skyrockets. Yes, nowadays the sets are better and I speak from experience. I miss seeing Bachmann and Atlas here. Perhaps it is the size of the market that creates the conditions. You are lucky, you don't even know. I have N scale, all american, and boy some times ......😢. Expensive and there is nothing.

Granny's Old Hoover could pull the flooring off my apartment floor

@stevensolway1054

4 ай бұрын

No...that vacuum is a KIRBY!! I was a salesman briefly in early 2000s. .but little sales due to economic downturn. But also tried FULLER BRUSH house cleaning products are Very EXCELLENT!!

like train

Stories like railroads in the 50s to 70s makes me hate the heck out of the ICC

I couldn't get past the first 2m 28s. The man doing the voiceover is SO angry ! He sounds like he read this on the day his wife handed him divorce papers !

33:50 Sounds like the governments needs to own the railway right of way too, this will make it fair.

4:02 So early Diesel Electric Locomotives used in america were the same boxcabs popular in Europe and Japan and elsewhere. why this design is extinct in America (exports only, no domestic markets at all)? too dangerous? too expensive or what? 15:05 Early road diesel locomotives here isn't even streamlined. it is simple ugly flatface boxcab, the design that's more successful elsewhere in the world outside North America.

I don't like the narration of this video.

this is supposed to be about EMD's "E" units no Alco. You are totally biased toward Alco and should not be talking about GM locomotives, plus you really don't have a speaking voice for this sort of video.

@alcobufff

Ай бұрын

If I were "totally biased" I would not have mentioned the PA's issues that doomed it. As for having alco in this documentary at all, I'm telling the whole story by doing so, by giving all relevant background info. As for my voice, I can't do anything about what the big guy upstairs gave me.

The only thing I would add to this is that the E-5's primary difference from the E-4 was the addition of the stainless-steel body panels, making it specific to the Burlington.