Leonard Nimoy was the best choice for the role. Hands down.👍

@jdsundstrom

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely!

@williamhaynes4800

2 жыл бұрын

Spock was originally supposed to have been a red skinned Martian who consumed his food through a panel in his stomach.

@hingedelephant

2 жыл бұрын

🖖🏼

@MrAranton

2 жыл бұрын

Considering how much the actors in TOS got to influence the characters they were portraying (e.g. the Vulcan nerve pinch was Nimoy's idea and he convinced Roddenberry and the authors to put in the scripts instead of a fist fight), I'm not sure the role existed when the actors were chosen - at least not the way we think of them. Had someone else gotten the part, Spock would be a very different character. And as much as I love the character we got, we cannot know whether or not a different Spock co-created by a different actor would have been better or worse. It would be fascinating to see what other actors would have made of the character in Nimoy's place. But since we cannot possibly learn that, it seems illogical to assume the version of the character we got is the best possible version.

@lobsangpadma107

2 жыл бұрын

❤❤🖖🖖❤❤🖖🖖❤❤

Leonard Nimoy's performance not only set the role for Mr. Spock, he defined the entire Vulcan race. Now, THAT’S acting!

Hiring anyone other than Leonard Nimoy would have been " ILLOGICAL ". 🖖 .

Martin Landau would have worked. But Nimoy was a force of nature. Love it Dave!

@jdsundstrom

2 жыл бұрын

True! Thanks for your support Pat.

@caeserromero3013

2 жыл бұрын

Landau made Space 1999 on British TV

@tyronehamilton588

2 жыл бұрын

I agree 100%!

@robertgandler3177

4 ай бұрын

Martin would have been a great choice. He dud win an Oscar for Bela Lugosi in Ed Wood though!

@user-ol2so9ce2q

8 күн бұрын

​@@caeserromero3013And Nimoy stepped into Mission Impossible after Landau left because of contract and creative differences with the production company. 😊

There is NO Spock, without Leonard Nimoy!

We wouldn’t have the Vulcan greeting 🖖 if it weren’t for Nimoy.

@HepCatJack

3 күн бұрын

The nanoo nanoo that Robin Williams did may have been a parody of the Vulcan Greeting. But I don't know for sure if it was.

@charlesbrentner4611

2 күн бұрын

Nor the Vulcan nerve pinch. I gather Mr. Nimoy also came up with that. He felt that Spock being a logical being would use a less aggressive method than a fist to render an adversary unconscious. Hence the Vulcan nerve pinch.

@Emanuela9

10 сағат бұрын

And finally the mind meld. 🖖

I love Leonard Nimoy. He is my only Spock ♥️

@jdsundstrom

2 жыл бұрын

Leonard was the best. No doubt about it!

@TokyoXtreme

2 жыл бұрын

“I am not Spock” - Leonard Nimoy “I am Spock” - also Leonard Nimoy

@Grommok

9 күн бұрын

100%

@ElCid48

5 күн бұрын

he is the guy go have us the hand sign with his fingers. and he got it when he was in temple with his dad and brother and he could not keep his eyes close when all the congregation were suppose to being young. and that is the hand signs that the people were doing doing a Jewish ceremony.

I've felt that Karl Urban has done a tremendous job as Dr. McCoy, he sounds so much like DeForest Kelly it's amazing. He has the voice, mannerisms, etc., all down very well but just enough of his own take on McCoy that it's not just direct imitation.

@glaucioreis

11 күн бұрын

I wholeheartedly agree. At first, given his physique, I thought it was a weird casting choice (I was hoping for Gary Sinise), but he was by far the best actor in the new movies.

@billwatkins8227

9 күн бұрын

I agree.

@user-ol2so9ce2q

8 күн бұрын

Totally agree! I was prepared to hate the new Trek film on principle, but the casting was brilliant. The only misstep in my mind was Simon Pegg as Scotty. I'm a huge fan of Pegg. He gave solid performances, but he just didn't have Doohan's sly, crusty charm. A personal wishlist item of mine, though, would be to see Urban cast as a younger, unredeemed William Money in an Unforgiven prequel. 😊

@richwightman3044

8 күн бұрын

Agreed.👍

@glaucioreis

8 күн бұрын

@@user-ol2so9ce2q I'm not so keen on the cast in general (Quinto was a disappointment as Spock), but I agree that Pegg was a bad choice. I was rooting for Paul McGillion, from "Stargate: Atlantis". I suspect he even auditioned for Scotty, as he got a very small role in the first movie.

😊I always appreciated DeForest Kelly for his portrayal of Dr. McCoy. His background in Westerners was the right mixture for his character being a Country Doctor.

I think that not only did Leonard Nimoy play a great Mr. Spock, but he also added features to the character that were not in the original...like: the Vulcan hand grip and the Vulcan hand sign. Also, over the years, I believed he pushed back on some of the dialogue which he felt was not in line with Vulcan logic, culture or philosophy. His absence would have give us a completely different and (in my opinion) inferior Star Trek.

@leesher1845

2 жыл бұрын

The Vulcan hand sign is actually a Jewish sign that he learned as a child in the synagogue.

@brynpookc1127

2 жыл бұрын

@@leesher1845 But Leonard Nimoy was the one who introduced it to the character, and the world.

@terryulmer969

2 жыл бұрын

It's the Hebrew letter Shin. The One True Creator G_d encoded the Torah, the Hebrew letters, and the Hebrew language so there is much hidden in plain sight.

@molarmama32

Ай бұрын

@@leesher1845 WOW, yes we know. Not all Goys are stupid.

@theylive4d996

6 күн бұрын

@@terryulmer969 Your One True Creator 'god' does not exist.

Martin Landau and Gene Roddenberry had offices across from each other at Paramount studios. They became good friends and in 1966 before filming the pilot "The Cage", Roddenberry asked Landau if he would like the role of Spock. Martin Landau turned it down because he had just sign a contract to do Mission Impossible.

@HepCatJack

9 күн бұрын

He also had a memorable role later on as Commander Koening of Moon Base Alpha on Space 1999.

@mariesmith8454

3 күн бұрын

Mission Impossible was as iconic as Star Trek.

@shibolinemress8913

2 күн бұрын

And it's fun that Nimoy later followed Landau onto that show!

Though he didn't make the Spock cut, I loved Michael Dunn's guest appearance in "Plato's Stepchildren". Too bad Martin Landau hadn't done the same. He would made for a rather sharp-looking Vulcan.

@jdsundstrom

2 жыл бұрын

Totally agree! I would have loved to have seen Landau play another Vulcan.

@sammic974

2 жыл бұрын

Am not sure Landau would've made a good Vulcan. He lumbered thru Space 1999!

@martok2112

2 жыл бұрын

In truth, yes, I think Martin Landau would've made a pretty good Spock. His voice, especially, would've suited Spock's logical demeanor, as long as he didn't play Spock too stiffly, the way Ethan Peck does in STD...er, sorry, Disco...er, sorry, ....(cringe) Star Trek Discovery, and (cringe again) Star Trek Strange New Worlds.

@dwaynejeffers1632

2 жыл бұрын

I do agree with you. I cannot see George Lindsay as Spock. Martin Landau also would made an interesting Romulan foil in a few episodes.

@peliculasperdidasyencontra5059

2 жыл бұрын

I’ve heard an interview with Landau in which he said he wouldn’t have been interested in the role. He couldn’t seem to wrap his head around playing an unemotional character. Gene got the right actor with Nimoy who not only created Spock but set the bar for all of the rest of the Vulcan characters who followed. He defined what a Vulcan was and the other actors had a basis of the mannerisms.

Martin Landau could have been Mr. Spock and played him just as skillfully as Leonard Nimoy. I thought he was great in the Mission Impossible TV series with Peter Graves. But, after Leonard Nimoy, I'm not sure if the fans would have been all that eager to accept a replacement Mr. Spock.

@jdsundstrom

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing Donna G!

@13thwho

2 жыл бұрын

Ironically, Nimoy replaced Landau on “Mission: Impossible”.

@tomdonahoe3539

2 жыл бұрын

@@13thwho I could totally see Martin Landau as Spock.

@nearlyretired7005

2 жыл бұрын

Pretty good in Hitchcocks,North by Northwest!

@joelake7986

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed, but I sure would love to see a few test episodes featuring Gooberspock.

I cant even imagine what Star Trek would have been like without Lenard Nimoy. My favorite character on my favorite show.

If the rumor of the casting of Michael Dunn is true then that means Roddenberry truly didn’t have a prejudice bone in his body. He was willing to cast anybody for any role. Truly a groundbreaking person.👍🏽

The thing about Leanord Nimoy was that he brought the Vulcan culture to reality with using Hebrew symbolism such as the hand salute "Live Long and Prosper", 2 finger separated. He brought a sense of realism to the character. Had anyone else done that role I don't believe it would have been so real

@johnminehan1148

2 жыл бұрын

Landau had a Method background and also might have used such things from his life.

@dalethelander3781

2 жыл бұрын

​@@johnminehan1148 Landau was also Jewish.

@johnminehan1148

2 жыл бұрын

@@dalethelander3781 . . . and (as a Method actor) might also have brought things like that from his own life into the character (if not necessarily in the same way as Nimoy did).

@garycarpenter6433

2 жыл бұрын

Can you do the two fingers separately..... I can just barley do it

@marksheiman1538

14 күн бұрын

​@@garycarpenter6433right hand no. Left hand yes. Of course Mark Lenard was the right choice for Sarak. In balance of terror we saw him as the romulian Commander, Vulcan and Romulus genetically similar.

Considering Martin Landau would make sense since they both were on Mission Impossible and played non-reactionary characters, always in control of personal feelings. I think Nimoy managed to add some humanity and depth to his character over the years that others may not have done. Certainly his last 3 roles in the newer movies were both pivotal to the story and added some heart to the roles. The interchange with Zachary Quinto was warn and tearful at the same time.

@jdsundstrom

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing Jeff S!

@martok2112

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, I considered Zachary Quinto to be a good successor to the role of Spock, albeit a bit too emotional. But Quinto did play Spock less stiffly than the current actor on (cringe) Star Trek Strange New Worlds. I, too, got a lump in my throat when I saw Kelvin Spock on screen with Spock Prime. Leonard Nimoy's delivery was as gold as ever.

@johnminehan1148

2 жыл бұрын

Nimoy was (more or less) Landau's replacement on Mission Impossible.

@johnbockelie3899

2 жыл бұрын

Martin Landau would have made a real slick looking Vulcan. He had those classic features like Nimoy had.

@HRConsultant_Jeff

2 жыл бұрын

@@martok2112 And Nimoy and the rest of us knew this was probably his last movie and he did this with his COPD advancing. I'm sure it was not easy to deliver the lines, but there is no noticeable signs on the screen.

Martin Landau would have made an outstanding Spock. He has the smart, really intellectual look. It would’ve gone down well. Not that I’m dissing Leonard, I’m not.

@dalethelander3781

2 жыл бұрын

​@@thegreenbird795 Oh? How about Jerry Van Dyke as Spock? Or Roger C. Carmel? Or Van Williams? Or Victor Buono?

@j.dragon651

2 жыл бұрын

I agree.

@dalethelander3781

2 жыл бұрын

@Account NumberEight Isn't he the fat man who used to do Batman?

@InformationIsTheEdge

2 жыл бұрын

Offering praise is not offering insult anywhere. Nor should it ever be thought to. You respecting my enemy does not disrespect me.

@johnbgood52

11 күн бұрын

@@dalethelander3781 How about you growing up?

Sometimes an actor turns out to be absolutely perfect for a role, and the actor and the role they played become inseparable. Such was the case with Leonard Nimoy/Mr. Spock. I have seen a lot of tv shows and movies where it was obvious that they cast the wrong actor.

I hope if Leonard McCoy ever appears in Strange New Worlds, they can get Karl Urban. He's been AWESOME in the Kelvin timeline movies. I think he actually channeled DeForest Kelly!

@laff000

11 күн бұрын

Actor Paul Fix played Dr Piper on the enterprise along with Captain Pike in the pilot episode of Star Trek. Kelly replaced Fix later on.

@patcandelora8496

5 күн бұрын

@@laff000Was Paul Fix Micah from the Rifleman?

Okay, George Lindsey as Mr Spock is just pure madness.

@jdsundstrom

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely nutty!

@pinedelgado4743

2 жыл бұрын

LOL!! I know, right??? :) :)

@johnbockelie3899

2 жыл бұрын

George Lindsey as Mr.Spock , wearing his " Jughead " crown, and Vulcan hair style.

@johnbockelie3899

2 жыл бұрын

De forest Kelley almost got the Spock part as well.

@stephaniegormley9982

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnbockelie3899 But I can see Kelley pulling it off, just barely. But George Lindsey? No.

I also recall seeing George Lindsay on an episode of Alfred Hitchcock Presents in a heavy dramatic role as a blackmailer long before he was on Andy Griffith. So it may not have been so far fetched

@superchicken5285

2 жыл бұрын

l know that show, and I still stand by my original comment, a hillbilly Vulcan is totally out of the question.

@buffalopatriot

2 жыл бұрын

He also played a bad man on Rawhide. Very, very convincing.

@jerrygillespie1214

2 жыл бұрын

@@buffalopatriot Problem is sometimes actors are typecast and cannot shake the role that made them famous. However, sometimes they can shake that role and go on to better things. Two good examples. Sally Field. From Gidget and The Flying Nun to Norma Rae Academy Award winner to other acting roles. More recently Hugh Jackman. From Wolverine to doing Professor Harold Hill in The Music Man on Broadway currently

@darkeyez1630

9 күн бұрын

@@jerrygillespie1214 You are correct. George had a wide range of talents, especially outside of acting. Athlete, restaurant chain owner, charity worker. I believe he could have pulled off a Spock character.

It would’ve been something to see Mr Spock doing a Cary Grant imitation, “Judy! Judy! Judy.”🤣🤣🤣

I met Martin Landau, towards the end of his life. He had a natural gravitas about him, similar to Mr. Nimoy, whom I also met briefly in his later years. (Thank you, DragonCon).

The Kirk-Spock-McCoy dynamic reminds me quite a bit of the Matt Dillon-Festus-Doc relationship on Gunsmoke from about the same TV time period. A totally different genre but #2 and the Doc were always going at it on that show also.

@jdsundstrom

2 жыл бұрын

Great insight!

@nickaronschannel430

2 жыл бұрын

@@jdsundstrom Good insight; yes, but actually the Dr /Captain friendship seems to first be seen in the MR. Roberts and Ensign Pulver/Henry Fonda plays/movies prior to Gunsmoke

@natmanprime4295

11 күн бұрын

a lot of shows had that dynamic at the time. lennon mcartney harrison for exxample

I knew about Landau being up for the part, but the other two? That’s wild! Nimoy, and Landau did remain friends, even after their time on Mission: Impossible. But Michael and George? That’s really something to think about! Proof that possibility can also be stranger ~and as interesting ~ as fiction!

@jdsundstrom

2 жыл бұрын

So very true!

Dave I read your stuff everyday. It's always amazing but this one has to be one of the most mind-blowing ones you've shown us. Me being a huge Andy Griffith fan it just blows me away that goober could even be thought to play this role. I met him once in person in Tennessee and got his autograph. He was amazing

@jdsundstrom

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing DT. I was shocked to find this one out as well. And...I thought I knew just about everything about George Lindsey that there was to know!

No doubt Nimoy is the quintessential Spock, he made the role his own. Of those you mentioned Martin Landau activated my imagination ..... he is a very underestimated acting talent especially when it comes to Sci-Fi as in his Outer Limits roles (especially “The Man who was never born “). Thank You for this enlightenment !! 🙏🏻

If you think about it both Martin Landau and Leonard Nimoy both had the same look, so Landau would have made a good Spock. Incidentally both had roles on Mission Impossible.

@MFPhoto1

8 күн бұрын

Yes. Nimoy replaced Landau.

Shatner, Nimoy and Kelly are the greatest team. George Lindsey is a stretch, but he has a lot of stager presence. Landau is one of my all-time favorites!! As far as the Kelvin Era the cast was spot on.

George Lindsey had acting range that arguably hasn’t really survived in the popular imagination. Mr. Lindsey had a medium-sized part in an absolutely chilling episode of The Alfred Hitchcock Hour. The episode is entitled The Jar, coincidentally starring another iconic rural character actor in Pat Buttram. In the AHH episode, George gives a vaguely frightening small speech about his changes in perception as he has aged. As it relates to Star Trek, of course Leonard Nimoy ended up giving one of the most iconic performances ever in science fiction as Mr. Spock. But, I believe if he had gotten the role, George Lindsey would have given his own iconic performance as Mr. Spock. As an actor, he probably would have loved having another major role so different from Goober.

@STho205

2 жыл бұрын

Audiences type cast actors more than producers do. Lindsay did several serious roles prior to 1965. However a lot of them were countryfolk roles. His role as the happy to execute deputy in "I Am the Night, Color Me Black" was very convincing and gritty. In "The Jar" two mostly comedic actors gave great tragic performances, yet again in a hayseed play, but written by Ray Bradbury.

@kirnpu

2 жыл бұрын

I saw The Jar when I was about 9 and it scared the absolute crap out of me.

@nickperkins8477

2 жыл бұрын

@@kirnpu I saw The Jar when I was 42 or 43 and it scared me, too. One of the scariest TV episodes I have ever seen.

@johnsavard7583

2 жыл бұрын

Definitely, I'm sure that having George Lindsey do the part wouldn't have been as bad as it sounds!

@STho205

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnsavard7583 no, it would have been toss away. It would class the show with Daniel Boone and Wild Wild West. There already are many crosses there.

Nimoy was born to play Spock and was the right choice, but actually I could see Landau in the role also. The other two, though talented, would not have pulled it off.

@EdiaStanfordBruce

2 жыл бұрын

I could see Landau as perhaps one of Spock's cousins or one of Sarek's brothers if aged only a little. He would have made a very handsome Vulcan.

@theylive4d996

6 күн бұрын

@@EdiaStanfordBruce 😂🤣😂Landout !!!

Martin Landau would have been outstanding as Spock. He was obviously down for a space-based role, as he took on Space 1999 about a decade later. Nimoy did a stellar job though. I loved the way he portrayed the character, and at this point can't see anyone else in that role.

@InformationIsTheEdge

2 жыл бұрын

He might not have been in the original running for Spock but I think Barry Atwater was an exceptionally convincing Vulcan in the Savage Curtain as Surak. The look, the voice, the manner. All very Vulcan. He might have made a good Spock and who knows what life experience he brought to the role that could have become part of the character!

@RaymondBCrisp

2 жыл бұрын

@@InformationIsTheEdge He absolutely captured what it was to be Vulcan, but I think he might have been a bit too old for the role at that point. He did fantastic as Spock's father though.

@InformationIsTheEdge

2 жыл бұрын

@@RaymondBCrisp Mark Leonard is the fellow you mean, the actor that played Spock's father. Yes he was excellent too. I meant the fellow who played the founder of the Vulcan philosophy Spock follows. From the episode The Savage Curtain. Mark Leonard, as you rightly point out, was no joke! Everything I wrote about Barry Atwater goes for Mark as well!

I met George Lindsay many years ago. He confirmed this rumor. He was in his 70's at the time and could remember EVERYTHING. He was a very smart man and down to earth too.

@SenileOtaku

15 күн бұрын

And remember, George Lindsay is an actor, and wouldn't have been playing a variation of his Mayberry character. How well he would have done we don't know, you'd have to look at his other roles to get an idea. It's like Brian Cranston, who played a Ranger on "Babylon5", to Hal on "Malcom in the Middle", and then on to hisclassic role in "Breaking Bad". Or for a "Star Trek" connection, look at Walter Koenig as Pavel Checkov, and then look at him as PsiCop Alfred Bester on "Babylon5".

Wow. After more than 50 years of Leonard Nimoy's Spock, it's very hard to imagine anyone else playing that role, least of all Goober Pyle. I could see Martin Landau playing the role. He certainly had the serious face of a Vulcan, had Leonard not gotten the role.

It's bizarre to see Spock smile in the original pilot episode with Jeffrey Hunter as the captain. He was a superb Spock

@jdsundstrom

2 жыл бұрын

Totally agree. Leonard was the best!

@alpha-omega2362

2 жыл бұрын

in the 40th anniversary novels "Crucible" Spock explains that at that time he was "mimicking" human behavior to make them feel more comfortable. . I am a day one Star Trek fan and never really got into any the novels, but the 40th's anniversary novels were quite good especially McCoys which devotes much on his time in the past after going through the guardian of forever.... after all he spent a life time there and changed the future until his friends retrieved him....it centers on his life in which they never made it....it's kind of hard to explain but it was the best of the three novels

@WALTERBROADDUS

2 жыл бұрын

@@jdsundstrom speaking about the pilot, why did Jeffrey Hunter get replaced?

@davidwahrheit6143

2 жыл бұрын

@@WALTERBROADDUS Several sources state that his wife dissuaded him from accepting the series role because, according to her, he was a "movie star" and being on television would have been a step down.

@Quach7

2 жыл бұрын

@@WALTERBROADDUS Too cerebral, not enough action packed. Same reason Geneviève Bujold wasn't cast as Captain Janeway, too cerebral, not action-hero-like.

In an alternate universe somewhere there are Martin Landau and Jack Lord playing Spock and Kirk.

Hard to see Goober as Spock. Your info is always thought provoking. Thanks for interesting video!

@jdsundstrom

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching Jan!

A guy who looked a bit like Nimoy and could have made a convincing Spock was James Coburn. Check him out in his starring role in the movie In Like Flint. Note the similar facial features, hair, etc.

Nimoy said Roddenberry choose him for the role of Spock because Nimoy was a guest star on "The Lieutenant" which was a Roddenberry TV show just prior to Star Trek. This is when Roddenberry decided on Nimoy for the role of Spock.

Let us remember please that George Lindsey could act and made a fine villain. Nimoy was perfect, Landau would have been perfect. George Lindsey would have been good and it would have shown off his acting chops. We have to remember that in the '60s people hadn't been exposed to decades of reruns of Lindsey as Goober. He still wouldn't have been nearly as good as Nimoy. We also need to remember that the writers adjusted Spock's character to Nimoy's own sense of the character as they went along, so that HIS Spock was not exactly pre-filming Roddenberry's idea of Spock. It was better.

Leonard Nimoy was perfect for that role, so much it became his trademark! No one could play him better than Nemoy. Star Trek Original Series was perfectly cast!

Mr. Nimoy made the character iconic. The absolute best choice.

A Michael Dunn casting would have completely altered the Vulcan Race I would think. There would probably never be a Kirk vs Spock battle during Pahn-Far, or the Vulcan Neck Pinch would have been a knee pinch instead. I loved Michael Dunn as Alexander in "Plato's Stepchildren" and as Dr Loveless in Wild Wild West. That said, I'm happy we got Leonard Nimoy.

@Emanuela9

10 сағат бұрын

Michael Dunn was awesome in Wild, Wild West.

Wow. Thanks, Dave! I literally had no idea about the casting choices for that role.

@jdsundstrom

2 жыл бұрын

I must admit this one was a new one for me as well. You'd think I would have known this one since I'm such a big fan of both shows.

@mikesilva3868

2 жыл бұрын

@@jdsundstrom 💛interesting

Funny you posted this, was just watching the original series this afternoon.

I think Leonard Nimoy defined that role so totally that he ruined the chances that anyone else could ever be Spock again. Spock was one of my childhood role models when I was struggling to control my emotions and I'm forever grateful for that character 🖖.

@jdsundstrom

9 күн бұрын

Well said!

“Goober” as Mr. Spock …very interesting, as is Michael Dunn. Agreed, Martin Landau would have been a very good choice , however I believe we all agree on who become this all time iconic character was the best choice made.

I didn't know about George Lindsy, that to me is to weird. But as a fan of the original series I did know about Martin Landau, his daughter Juliet Landau follows me and I follow her on twitter. But you forgot another actor who was offered the role of Spock. Deforest Kelly was also offered the role as well. A lot of actors got their parts on Trek who Gene remembered as guest stars on another show he produced called The Lieutenant including Nichelle Nichols, LT. Uhura.

@jdsundstrom

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing Larry!

@peliculasperdidasyencontra5059

2 жыл бұрын

I met Juliet once through her sister Susie who I went to college with. Both lovely women.

@dalethelander3781

2 жыл бұрын

But, luckily for us, Martin got the lead role in Space:1999. Unfortunately, that series was ruined in its' 2nd season by Star Trek 3rd season showrunner Fred Freiberger.

@peliculasperdidasyencontra5059

2 жыл бұрын

@@dalethelander3781 I went to college with Martin & Barbara’s daughter Susie. She had wonderful stories about living in London during the production of SP: 1999.

Bones will always be my favorite! DeForest was epic! I'm so glad that Carl Urban is doing him justice! ❤❤❤

Most fans know that Martin Landau was approached to play the role of Spock. Landau said the role wouldn't have been a good fit for him. I agree, because Nimoy completely owned the role of Spock. Landau would go on to be Commander Koenig in Gerry Anderson's Space: 1999.

Wow, Goober as Spock! If I didn't know better I'd think it was April 1st! :) But hey, Dave, you delineated the appeal of Star Trek via the Kirk/Spock/McCoy relationship so well. Man, it took me right back to the summer before 8th grade when I overdosed on Star Trek reruns (as well as potato chips and Pepsi). Absolutely classic show that can NEVER be equaled.

@johnminehan1148

2 жыл бұрын

Well, think about Lloyd Bridges or Jack Lord as Kirk. both of which were considered.

@elizabethjansen2684

2 жыл бұрын

Check out babylon 5

@Ravenscroft82

2 жыл бұрын

@@elizabethjansen2684 oh I loved B5, believe me.

This is a classic case of when the producers would have destroyed a show due to bad casting. I would have enjoyed seeing Landau as Spock. Nimoy, well, he's iconic in the role, along with Shatner and Kelly in theirs. Casting is sooooo crucial.

@yusefendure

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly right. Well said

LN is the best choice since we’ve had the advantage of actually seeing him in the role; Landau could’ve possibly pulled it off due to his onscreen persona also. Dunn.. maybe, his height would’ve been an added novelty and quite believable for the quirky role.

I was born in '59, and that show had my complete attention as a kid. I would trace my examples of masculinity to Spock and Kirk. No question. I think I turned out OK!!!

Landau would have been a much more intense Spock, but so many of the Vulcan cultural traits and behaviors came from Nimoy. We got the right guy, no doubt, but it would have been fun if the Mirror Universe had an entirely alternate cast, and Landau vs Nimoy there would have been memorable!

@theylive4d996

6 күн бұрын

He was Landout...😂

In a different universe, there is a version of Star Trek starring Jeffery Hunter, George Lindsey and Paul Fix… though in every universe we still get James Doohan. 😁

@johnminehan1148

2 жыл бұрын

Who may have gained fame playing a Russian Chief Engineering Officer . . . .

It's my understanding that when Roddenberry cast Deforest Kelley he ask Kelley which part he would like to play. He had the option of the captain.

"... you know, the good stuff" I like your tagline... Future nostalgia!

If he wore the Mayberry hat than I'm in full favor of him replacing Nimoy! LOL "Fascinating"

@jdsundstrom

2 жыл бұрын

Totally agree! The hat would have been a uniform requirement.

@braviafeed

2 жыл бұрын

@@jdsundstrom Maybe Paramount will do a Trek remastered version with him in the future!

Gene Rodenberry was known for having some off the wall not to well thought out ideas. However Martin Landau would have been an excellent Spock! Too bad he wasn't more successful as Commander John Koenig, another fine role and character. Think you should investigate what became of Rodenberry's attempt to recruit Landau.

Hard as it may be to imagine, Michael Dunn would have been just as, if not more, intense than Nimoy. Landau and Nimoy both had regular gigs as members of the IM team on Mission: Impossible.

that was a new one on me! that's what i love about this channel so much cool info thanks dave!

@jdsundstrom

2 жыл бұрын

Glad you liked it!

The casting turned out perfect, because the actors made the characters come to life. They made the characters who we witnessed on-screen; and they seemed to be organically natural, not contrived. Gene may well have conceived the characters differently in his mind, but under his direction, the actors carved the image magnificently in theirs.

@jdsundstrom

2 жыл бұрын

I agree that the original Trek cast was perfect. 🙂

It's hard to imagine anyone other than Leonard Nimoy as Spock, but Martin Landau would probably have done a great job as well.

A fine video. We should all remember that the Speck we got was NOT Gene Roddenberry’s original concept for the Enterprise’s “First Officer”/“Science Officer”. That character (as we all know) was supposed to be A FEMALE, imposing and highly intelligent, played by his future wife, Majel Barrett. We got too see what MIGHT HAVE BEEN in “The Menagerie”/“The Cage”. Martin Landau would have been the only other suitable choice to give us the Spock the show needed. But Leonard Nimoy TRULY made the character his own, and literally developed Spock “on the fly”. It’s all amazing, in hindsight.

Yep. They are still my three favorite actors of any TV series also. STAR TREK is still my favorite TV show of all time too.🖖

"Live long and prosper, y'all!" 😄

That’s a crazy thought don’t think he would have been taken seriously and show would have been a flop if George Lindsay was considered. As for crazy possible miscastings I heard Jimmy Stewart was considered to play James Bond before Connery got the role. That would have been hilarious

@jdsundstrom

2 жыл бұрын

Stewart as Bond? Yikes! Another near miss!

😲 Ooo-K...? My brain jammed a little when you said THE "Goober Pyle" actor, George Lindsey, was on the short list to play Spock.

I can imagine Gomer fixing the engines of the Enterprise like at the gas station and in walks Vulcan Goober as he puts on that crazy cap of his. LOLLL!

Wow, can't imagine anybody else playing him

@jdsundstrom

2 жыл бұрын

Me neither Tammy!

GREAT factoid Dave! I'm SO glad Mr. Nimoy got the role! But having seen Mr. Lindsey do dramatic roles on other shows, I can at least see why he was considered!

@jdsundstrom

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for pointing that out TP!

@johnminehan1148

2 жыл бұрын

Even in more dramatic episodes of Any Griffith, Lindsay had obvious talent (the one where Goober meets an old friend from his training as a mechanic, who he believes has been more successful, comes to mind, especially where Goober realizes the guy has not been and Goober does not bust his chops. Great use of facial expressions on his part.).

Those who can't see George Lindsey as Spock are no doubt envisioning Goober in the role, not Lindsey. The character is not the actor; I'm sure he would have played it straight and done justice to the part. Though it would have been a different Spock than the one we know. But I'm glad it went to Leonard Nimoy in the end.

I am surprised about the actors that were considered for Dr. Spock. You do great research Dave!

Though George Lindsey wasn't chosen as Mr. Spock there is no question in my mind he could have acted the part. George is remembered as a 'comedian,' from Andy Griffith. However, I have seen his performing ability in more serious roles. And remember, 'we' didn't see George's audition. Gene did! And Gene felt he could fit the role...it didn't happen so 'we' will never know...

@garycarpenter6433

2 жыл бұрын

I don't think Goober would be a great Vulcan,he doesn't look the scientific part..... only as a comedian

I’ve only seen George in the Griffith and Gomer shows so I don’t know about him playing Spock but the way Hollywood typecast people it’s possible he would be good for the role.

That blows my mind, Dave. I don't think I'll ever be the same. Thanks

@jdsundstrom

2 жыл бұрын

Anytime my friend! 🙂

Omg Dave I'm gonna say it ...... now that is GOOD STUFF

@jdsundstrom

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Danny!

Can't even wrap my brain around that... 🖖🏻

@SnarkNSass

Жыл бұрын

And it's still the worst casting idea I ever heard 😂😂😂😂

I'd like to see an AI version of Star Trek with Spock played by Frank Nelson, the "Ye-es?" comic.

I saw George Lindsey play a cop in an old episode of "Banacek" once. Without the Mayberry accent and hat, I didn't know it was him at first. Eventually, I recognized him from the cover of his book "I am not Goober."

I was aware of Lindsey being considered as Spock but not Landau or Dunn. I remember reading somewhere that Roddenberry also wanted Lloyd Bridges to play Kirk.

@JohnFourtyTwo

2 жыл бұрын

Gene talked about Lloyd in his autobiography. His first choice was Jack Lord but he demanded 50% ownership of the show so Gene quickly skipped Jack.

@elizabethjansen2684

2 жыл бұрын

@@JohnFourtyTwo that's crazy, 50%? On a brand new show and untried concept? That's EGO, with a dash of insanity for good measure.

@williamhaynes4800

2 жыл бұрын

@@JohnFourtyTwo Thanks, I also recall that GR had named the ship Yorktown in his 1st rough draft.

@JohnFourtyTwo

2 жыл бұрын

@@williamhaynes4800 Yes he did. 👍

No one could play Mr. Spock like this man could and he was the best man for the part hands down.

GOOBER!?, Goober?, Goober Pyle?

I actually guessed Martin Landau as he was the most other-worldly-looking actor of the time. And he would have been immense as Spock. As immense as Nimoy? Who knows?

I can just see George doing his "Judy, Judy, Judy!" line with pointy ears. I could totally see Landau in the role.

I think Landau would have been a good and bad choice. Landau is a good physical choice to ware the ears, but his other character work always leaned toward the action roles. I do not know if he could have played the cold logical vulcan. I just cannot picture Goober with vulcan ears. I loved the Andy Griffith show and Goober was a very special part of it. But I think George Lindsey was already pigeon holed by his work on the Andy Griffith show and would probably not have been well received as "Spock". Michael Dunn is an excellent actor and I loved him in Plato's Children. But I think his work is too full of emotion and I doubt he could have pulled off the character either. Leonard Nimoy has always played cool calm confident characters. I think Roddenberry ultimately picked the right actor for the part.

@geraldjohnson4013

2 жыл бұрын

I could see Martin Landau playing a member of the Vulcan High Council in an episode of Star Trek.

Now I'm imagining the Star Trek/Mayberry crossover that could have been...

@jdsundstrom

2 жыл бұрын

Yep. We eventually got an episode where Floyd's Barbershop makes an appearance!

I am not sure what Star Trek would have been like if George got the roll, but he should not be discounted. Aside from being an actor ( in a number of different shows), he is (was) collage educated, an athlete, involved in charity work, and an owner of a somewhat popular restaurant chain. A very successful and talented man. We may be acclimated to accept certain actors as particular characters, but that does not mean someone else could not have adequately filled the role.

If anyone else but Nimoy had played Spock there would have never been the "Live long and prosper" hand gesture. Unthinkable!

Martin Landau was considered for the role but apparently, turned it down. Before Shatner was cast as Kirk, they had also considered Jack Lord who made unreasonable demands.

@jdsundstrom

2 жыл бұрын

Jack Lord?!!? I hadn't heard that one!

@rwarren58

2 жыл бұрын

That woulda been ah kinda cool.

@debbralehrman5957

2 жыл бұрын

He probably wanted it shot in Hawaii. heehee

@rino7789

2 жыл бұрын

@@debbralehrman5957 He wanted part ownership of the show so he could receive royalties.

@ghostrider88jinetedelfanta31

2 жыл бұрын

@@jdsundstrom Lord wanted a percentage of the gross from the show. Roddenberry, wasn't willing to agree to that. Understandable as it might have put him into the red.

Awesome Dave I silent know they had somewhat else in mind to play Spock or had other casting options for the role of Spock this did blow my mind I'm sorry but I cannot see goober playing Spock glad they chose Leonard nimoy to play Spock he was meant for the role Dave Leonard is Spock thanks Dave

@jdsundstrom

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing Cade!

@cadeevans4623

2 жыл бұрын

Your welcome happy to be sharing Dave

The Spock characteristic that Leonard Nimoy brought out was visually displaying constant and serious impartial analysis of everything. Nimoy was able to express that Spock was taking it all in, and maintaining (or correcting) course in real time, and without moving more than an eyebrow, his thoughts were written all over his stoneface. As a result, Spock became what Nimoy successfully portrayed, and out of costume, Nimoy had to say, endlessly, “I am not Spock.” Any other actor would have done Spock differently, and the writers would have had to work with that (not against that). A different Spock might have still carried the series just as far, or might have been written out after 1 or 2 seasons. We’ll never know for sure, but I’m very glad Nimoy got to bring us the Spock we believed really existed.

Gollly. You learn something new every day. I can't wait for the watercooler talk about Goober as Mr. Spock.

There always was a first choice with new tv series. Example: Jerry Van Dyke was tagged to be Gilligan but turned it down. Instead he opted for My Mother the Car which lasted only one season. It would be nice Dave to do a segment on him his career and being in the shadow of his brother Dick

@jdsundstrom

2 жыл бұрын

I will DEFINITELY do something on JVD one of these days.

@jerrygillespie1214

2 жыл бұрын

@@jdsundstrom Thanks Dave. I am watching the full hour episode of The Carol Burnett Show with guest Andy Griffith! He was a few sketches but the funniest one was Cinderelly a country version of the fairy tale. Andy was the Prince of the hoedown. I believe this is also on KZread

@eloiseockert9319

2 жыл бұрын

I know this is off topic... I never would have watched Gilligan's Island with Jerry Van Dyke starring. Maybe it is just me but I felt he had very little acting ability & was just following in his brother's shadow...

@eloiseockert9319

2 жыл бұрын

Don't forget I suggested Matt Vogel and am still waiting

@jerrygillespie1214

2 жыл бұрын

@@eloiseockert9319 The only thing I can say is that Jerry Van Dyke did get a costarring role on the show Coach later in his career and life

now this is amazing stuff

@jdsundstrom

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Danny!

Dave, Hi! 👋🏽 LONG time Star Trek fan here, and I just wanted to let you know that while I knew of George Lindsey and the Spock connection, I wanted to echo a sentiment from the MeTV article. If Goober was on Scotty's engineering staff onboard the Enterprise, the ship would have been in twice as good hands when it would come to getting things repaired or the ship getting out of trouble - Just sayin! Thank you for this and all the info & tidbits that you provide! It's amazing! Peace and Long Life! 🖖😎

from what i heard nimoy himself created the vulcan neck pinch -- it has since become the number one trek move we all know and love (except the picard maneuver which Stewart coined and created) - god bless Rodenberry for bringing us star trek.

Martin Landau would have been a remarkable choice; however, Deforest Kelly was also considered for the role of Spock. Still, in all logic, Leonard Nimoy is the best choice by far to play the true ultimate alien. If space is the final "front ear", Spock ears wins the space race where it's logical 2B # 2 to B the 1. What if his father were Human & his mother Vulcan?

@jdsundstrom

2 жыл бұрын

I heard that. Wow!

@susanyoung5447

2 жыл бұрын

Your question is great. His mother being Vulcan and father human. But that leads to another question, where would he have been raised? Then another, what if Spock had been female? Don't do the name being T' something. If Spock had been conceived as female to start with, the Vulcan naming would have been different. Any ideas about my questions?

@tomato1040

2 жыл бұрын

@@susanyoung5447 Her name would be Spack with a long "a" vowel, pronounced like in the word "Space". "O" is for guys & "A" is for girls, like in the romance languages. Let's hear it for girl power to even up the space race!

@susanyoung5447

2 жыл бұрын

@@tomato1040 OK. I like it. 👍