Imagine if we knew 9 months ago just how trash the pricing would be for the rest of the GeForce 40 series.

@user-eq3rs2tt5v

Жыл бұрын

the irony that the 4090 is pretty much the only 40xx series card that's worth buying.

@imafirenmehlazer1

Жыл бұрын

Lol but what you said about the "segment of pricing" is and will always be true and like some here has said. It still going to sell I was very blessed to get a 4090 for 1,400 and I cracked and got it figured 9 months out 200$ below msrp same as a premium 4080 my mind told me was worth it but people will always buy the new and shiny and most powerful.

@ZloHunter

11 ай бұрын

Well, I have gotten myself a 4090 after all. The only GPU that's actually worth the value in this godforsaken 40 series GeForce. Expecting it to be a timebomb like my old 3080

@new_og_

9 ай бұрын

I paid $1800 for the FE , prices got out of control.

@mrbuIIets

9 ай бұрын

@@new_og_ dang. I just got an FE from BB for Item Total: (after tax) $1,547.99 Product Price: $1,439.99 This is on 12 months, same as cash. Upgrading from a 12GB 3080. after I sell the 3080 for 6-700 dollars the upgrade will only cost me about $700 for double the fps. (gaming at 4k)

Beautiful and well executed review Steve! Hope you're keeping up with this launch cycle ok 😅 it has to end eventually right?

@kiloneie

Жыл бұрын

Pretty sure he ain't gonna stop working on the launches till December.

@patricktho6546

Жыл бұрын

After RDNA3 etc soon^tm

@lloydaran

Жыл бұрын

Radeon 7000: *evil laughter*

@drakorez

Жыл бұрын

I am exhausted just following the reviews. Making them all must be insane lol.

@cromefire_

Жыл бұрын

@@patricktho6546 soon-ish

Insane performance for the few people that can afford, 4k raytracing finally means something.

@dzenacs2011

Жыл бұрын

Still 30 fps with horrible screen tearing

@Deadsmegma

Жыл бұрын

@@dzenacs2011 yeah with cyberpunk... Lol

@trffinal1541

Жыл бұрын

LoL The 4090 will be buy by millions of people

@dhaumya23gango75

Жыл бұрын

@@Deadsmegma 40+ fps most of the time at native 4k maxed with psycho raytracing

@dhaumya23gango75

Жыл бұрын

@@dzenacs2011 If you are referring to cp2077, than the 4090 maintains 40+ fps most of the time at native 4k maxed with psycho raytracing. And cp2077 is an exception, the other games run much better. It seems people would say anything to hate.

Those 4K benchmarks are absurd. Thanks for all that you do.

@kwinzman

Жыл бұрын

Nobody talking about the lack of DisplayPort 2.0? Exactly this card could benefit from high refresh 4k displays.

@ceroandone

Жыл бұрын

I don't have 4k display, why should I get that expensive gpu???

@WamblyHades

Жыл бұрын

@@ceroandone u shouldnt, but it showcases the how good the new architecture is.

@jamieammar6131

Жыл бұрын

@@kwinzman That's a big L from this impressive product.

@ninja.saywhat

Жыл бұрын

@@ceroandone someone forced you to buy it???

Nice to see such a nicely priced budget product for us poor gamers EDIT: Obviously this comment was a joke EDIT2: Amazon, Bestbuy selling XFX RX 6600 for $230 today October 12. Newegg sells the Gygabyte RX 6650 XT for $265

@dalefrancis9414

Жыл бұрын

lol most of us won't be looking at this....

@MinhTran-fm5oy

Жыл бұрын

Hey, the RX 6600 is about 250$. May i ask is it worth?

@VzlaLeo

Жыл бұрын

@@MinhTran-fm5oy Yeah great 1080p card, doubt AMD or NVIDIA will launch anything for the low segment this year

@KnightDelta69

Жыл бұрын

@@MinhTran-fm5oy abso-fricking-lutely worth it! If u can push for a 6650xt (I believe its below 280$ with rebate on Newegg, and 299$ on amazon for gigabyte version) it would be even better, as the performance gain can range between 10-30% depending on the game.

@TekGriffon

Жыл бұрын

The xx80 products have never been a "budget product". The 4060 is the product for you guys. Just gotta be patient.

Holy shit that performance is crazy Can't wait to buy one second hand in 6 years for a fifth of the price

@Ko6pa

Жыл бұрын

So true mate 😭😭

@jeremyphillips3087

Жыл бұрын

I cant wait either, im getting one in a few months.

@BlackJesus8463

Жыл бұрын

Im gonna wait until they can do it with 250 watts. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

@huleyn135

Жыл бұрын

At that point you might as well get the 7060 or something and not have to burn 450 watts for that performance.

@mirroredvoid8394

Жыл бұрын

@@huleyn135 AMD is going to come out with a furnace too just look at their new CPUs

Imagine getting a 3090ti and then it getting deystroyed by a 4090 that’s cheaper 9 months later

@saricubra2867

10 ай бұрын

GTX1080Ti 2.0, literally.

@romankozlovskiy7899

8 ай бұрын

@@saricubra28671080ti 2.0 but to even more of an extent

It would be nice to have h264/h265 video editing performance included in the standard benchmarks for GPU's. 3d compute/rendering benchmarks are also good but having a video editing(playback/export) benchmark would be a good addition to standard GPU reviews.

My first car was stupidly fast, cost less than a 4090 with the same running costs 😂 😅

@b3at2

Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂🤣🤣😂😂

@ylstorage7085

Жыл бұрын

"stupidly fast" as in a "downhill situation with brake being frantically pressed to the floor" fast? legend has it that this man's first car ran over a dude who was having a crysis in life.

@LoneWolf-tk9em

Жыл бұрын

Man u should do a check up of your gears at a mechanic

@greyman8174

Жыл бұрын

Riiiiiiiiight.

@aphrenedge2262

Жыл бұрын

Was it remote control?

"I can enjoy gaming almost as much with a GPU that costs four times less" I feel this. I love my 6600XT, it's been great the past year I've used it.

@eb60lp

Жыл бұрын

Keep enjoying it then! Don’t let the announcement of new hardware taint your joy!

@shiraz1736

Жыл бұрын

Yea don’t ever fall for the hype, the 4k’er love commenting about what they have all the time, so It comes across that they are the norm out there when in reality they are what I call the 1%ers. The 4090 is a product and that’s about it, hell I’m about to upgrade to AM4 5600/5700 and look out for a 6800 or 3070. It’s enough if I finally bother to upgrade my monitor to 1440. Then in 2 yrs I’ll look out for a second hand 58003d, just hang out the back and pick up the scraps the “average consumer” leaves behind. 👌

@Splarkszter

Жыл бұрын

@@shiraz1736 Specially with modern games launch(sadly) being crap. There is not even a reason to play the latest tittles. And i even consider the steam deck being a salvation for the low-end of PC gaming.

@onee1594

Жыл бұрын

Probably gonna buy one of those 6 series Radeon GPU just to fill a spot for year or two

@settispaghetti2273

Жыл бұрын

i have the same plan.Wgeb i see a goot 1440p monitor on sale. ill pick up a used am4 cpu and flip mine for a little bit of more performance out of this setup.

Definitely next level unboxing of hardware right here! I think it will be interesting to see a watt per frame comparison in either another video or in future GPU review videos. With all the talk of power usage and electricity prices being expensive, that might also be another factor potential buyers may want to consider before purchasing a new GPU.

@Splarkszter

Жыл бұрын

lowest end usually has the most performance per watt anyway. Also people that can afford a 4090 i don't think they care much about electricity prices.

@KennyChong

Жыл бұрын

@@Splarkszter That's true regarding being able to afford the 4090 and not caring about electricity prices. What I'm really interested to see is the efficiency improvements between generations. (eg RX5000 series to RX6000 series)

@clansome

Жыл бұрын

@@Splarkszter That's the point really. If you can afford a 4090 you are not going to be bothered by price of running it. A (poor) car analogy would be those drooling over the latest Lamborghini talking about its looks and how fast it can go but never being able to afford it, instead putting spoilers on their Ford Focus. The only difference here is that for some (not me) the 4090 IS worth the price. Don't forget HUB doesn't test production benchmarks, but look at a video from Gamers Nexus, Epos Vox or even LTT and they show that this is a creative monster of a card.

@MrVuckFiacom

11 ай бұрын

I've been getting record-breaking electricity bills during this summer. This is absolutely a consideration when buying a GPU for me.

I had the video in an open tab for several hours before i had time to get to actually watching. That timing on the shift to black screen when the video re-loads was absolutely perfect for that intro.

No amount of performance can change the fact that Nvidia is pricing the average person out of the GPU market. It's fine that the top end product is stupid expensive (though I wish we got a cut down AD102 based product for a reasonable price similar to the RTX 3080 being a cut down GA102 die for $700). But when a cut down AD104 die is a $900 product, they've lost the script. And I'm not sure how well a $1600, 450W GPU is going to sell when the entire world is in a stagflationary recession with a global energy crisis.

@ypsilondaone

Жыл бұрын

In Europe it's 2000€..

@julessaviour5931

Жыл бұрын

They're turning PC gaming into a premium only market. They know gamers will dish out lots of money for frames. And we keep doing it, so they keep making things more expensive

@calistin1

Жыл бұрын

@@ypsilondaone In Europe taxes are also included in the price, not so in NA.

@vsammy_poet

Жыл бұрын

@@ypsilondaone yeah. Tell me about it.. Theres some models way over 2000 in the Shops 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

@velin02

Жыл бұрын

Poor people like you need to realize that people with money do not care at all what your opinion is. I’ll be buying a 4090 tomorrow

Even this great performance won't convince me to spend $1600USD.

@JP-xd6fm

Жыл бұрын

2200€ where I live

@Cenkolino

Жыл бұрын

@@JP-xd6fm 1950€ Founders Ediiton. Of course none of us can get one because the god damn scalpers will be onto this like flies on shit...It will be easily 2400+ on Ebay...

@kostasft2938

Жыл бұрын

2500/2700 Euros where I live.

@MrStormShield

Жыл бұрын

My whole gas installation cost 2500 euro and that would be the average price in Europe.....

@lowzyyy

Жыл бұрын

Sadly a lot of morons will buy it, saw it on reddit

Wonderful job Steve. For the Watdogs RT performance; you mention that the DLSS bottleneck is 109 FPS. Wouldn't it be more correct to say the CPU bottleneck with RT enabled only allows for 109 FPS max. As we have seen from many RT titles. RT increases the demand on the CPU as well as the GPU. I would love to see how the 7700X + 4090 perform in these RT CPU bottlenecked scenarios.

Great work as always, Steve. Would've liked to see FSR and DLSS 2 added to the 6950XT and 3090 Ti without RT to put the gains from DLSS 3 in perspective. But I can't fault you for settling with 1000+ benchmark runs for this video😅

Insane to see so much Content being pumped out. Especially with so much going on this month. Great Review and great work :)!

That's brutal. Didn't expect this. It's still way out of my price range, but still it's freaking impressive.

@ThunderingRoar

Жыл бұрын

@@fineartpottamus9020 no it doesn't?

@RogueSchoIar

Жыл бұрын

@@fineartpottamus9020 Actually it only draws 105 watts. See... I can make numbers up too.

@aidenlee5207

Жыл бұрын

@@fineartpottamus9020 Did you watch the power consumption portion of the video?

@paulustrucenus

Жыл бұрын

@@RogueSchoIar What a fucking liar. We all know it's 415+34i Watts (mathematician joke)

@Oz-gv5fz

Жыл бұрын

2-4x raster perf up 👍

I always come to hardware unboxed for the first good review. Incredible job Steve.

Yet another great review! Would be nice with PCI comparison! :)

It looked so good in the benchmarks that for a minute I forgot I can't afford it 🤣. Can't wait to see 4070 being 10% faster than 3070

@BlackJesus8463

Жыл бұрын

You only really need 4K/120Hz/Ultra!

@mykhaylovarvarin9078

Жыл бұрын

And 9% more expensive

@njkf

Жыл бұрын

You mean the 4080 8gb?

@karlhungus545

Жыл бұрын

Why even consider this unless you have a 4K monitor?

@anthonytech

Жыл бұрын

@@karlhungus545 Because some people like to feel like they’re “future proof” by having an insanely powerful GPU at a resolution it wasn’t design to game at

Wow, that's impressive. A shame these kind of gains won't be seen in lower end products, not even the 4080 and (the real) 4070. Pricing is still a mess.

@libertyprime9307

Жыл бұрын

The (real) 4080 won't be much worse performing than this. It's not like Lovelace will be the first architecture where the gains don't have diminishing returns.

@darcrequiem

Жыл бұрын

@@libertyprime9307 The 4080 (16GB) has 56% of the CUDA cores of the 4090.

@f-22raptor25

Жыл бұрын

@@libertyprime9307 it will be around 40% slower

@MauroTamm

Жыл бұрын

This feels like a 4090ti in disguise looking at the giant cap in specs. 4080 16g is going to be a 3090ti, at lower power.

@aerostorm_

Жыл бұрын

One of the main reason this generations 80 card wont be a match for the 90 is that they wont be using the same die. ADA 102 which is used for the 90 is massively more capable than ADA 103. Also the 12 GB 80 model is even using ADA 104 which is also a part of why people call it a 4070

Thank you for all your work. I always appreciate and come for your extensive benchmarks. Doesn't matter if your video is a week late, I'll always watch it as your provide information others don't

4k Ultra RT locked at 120fps on an LG C2 OLED is truly a whole different universe. I couldn't be happier.

@DETERMINOLOGY

Жыл бұрын

@@Anonymous-bk3nj Thats good not a bad thing

The number of transistors is almost hard to fathom - 76.3 billion. Just think about that number. In 2023, that's an engineering marvel to have that many electronics packed into a consumer device and to work as intended. This is far above my budget, but I can still appreciate the immense amount of development work that went into it.

@propersod2390

Жыл бұрын

And yet people will still cry that it's "too expensive". For being the absolute fastest gpu on the planet it's priced right

@falcon6329

Жыл бұрын

What is more insane is that smartphones have 15+ billion transistors running at 5 watts

@Kevin-fl7mj

Жыл бұрын

@@propersod2390 Stupid argument,nearly every new gpu released was "the fastest gpu on the planet" while costing 649-699$,this chip is very profitable for Nvidia at 1k$ but with sheep like you it might as well cost 5k$

@thelmaviaduct

Жыл бұрын

Who counted them??? #IGotsTaKnow 👍🏿

@aravindpallippara1577

Жыл бұрын

There is this 2.5 million dollar ai chip which uses the whole wafer, not the reticle limit of 800mm^2 but the whole 12 inch wafer It was released in 2019 I belive

It's pretty crazy that leaks from over a year ago suggested it'd be ~80% faster than the 3090, and it turns out that it almost is (possibly could be if all CPU bottlenecking was removed). The same leaks also said RDNA 3 would be faster, thus I'm more excited for that launch than paying the obscene Ngreedia tax.

@adnan4688

Жыл бұрын

Who wants to bet AMD flagship priced at 1600$

@doufmech4323

Жыл бұрын

@@adnan4688 my guess is $1400

@rdmz135

Жыл бұрын

@@adnan4688 Theres 0 chance AMD will match Nvidia's price unless they actually have a big performance lead. And I doubt that.

@damara2268

Жыл бұрын

What?? The leaks from over a year ago were that 4090 will be 2.5x 3090 and 7900xt will be 3x 6900xt lol, completely crazy

@adnan4688

Жыл бұрын

@@rdmz135 Dude, get over yourself. AMD had a 10% slower card and they priced it for 10% less. I don't trust them like I used to. Lets come back to this comment in a month,and lets see how it went.

2 questions: (1) when rdna 3 arrives, will @Hardware Unboxed retest these with a new system (pcie5, ddr5,zen4) ... (2) also when rdna3 arrives, displayport 2.0 vs 1.4a really a thing?

I love the little video in the top left corner ! Very good ! =D

thank you Hardware Unboxed for the thorough testing as usual definitely squeezed a lot of performance data of this gpu you guys

@kiloneie

Жыл бұрын

About 50x better testing that what LTT shown, the have a lab and all, and can't even benchmark 10 games, it was 6 with Tomb Raider and Cyberpunk being the most tested, and still not even close to HUB. Yeh they had 4 productivity tests, but it's still in total nothing.

@BudgetGamerz

Жыл бұрын

@@kiloneie But but LTT has a new lab...

@kiloneie

Жыл бұрын

@@BudgetGamerz So far Anthony said these results were from the lab, and they are as bad and limited as before... some other things from the lab look promising, but not GPU benchmarks...

@BudgetGamerz

Жыл бұрын

@@kiloneie lol agreed.

From your conclusion, it seems nvidia's tactics of using 3090ti to trivialise 400W+ power consumption have worked.

Great review thanks. Is this card even available in Aust stores yet? Haven’t even seen a pre order option and major pc stores I’ve contacted have not received a supply??

Fantastic work as always. Super enlightening. Thank you.

Very short 18 second video but I enjoyed it nonetheless! More of this, thank you!

That unboxing video was something of a next gen. On par with the product presented. Saving my time for free and in style, love this channel! 👍

@engineeringvision9507

Жыл бұрын

Yeah why no unboxings Steve

Great review, good performance. I am sure you have more videos planned for this and will one of them include PCIe3 testing to see if there is a performance drop off?

The only card that makes sense this generation

pretty dang impressive. Looking forward to seeing what AMD has coming after this.

@nishanthadda8824

Жыл бұрын

Nothing.They lost

@tyranorex940

Жыл бұрын

@@nishanthadda8824 AMD will always be behind in GPU game NOT even closeee

@vaudou_

Жыл бұрын

@@tyranorex940 Gotta love fanboys

@damiendegrasse

Жыл бұрын

@@tyranorex940 literally hundreds of slides in this video show AMD being close in the last gen. Your comment is disconnected from reality.

@tyranorex940

Жыл бұрын

@@damiendegrasse AMD fanboys lol. Too bad you couldn't get your hands on a 3080 I'm sorry man

The graphics card itself is remarkable and although it consumes a lot of power, it's nice to have the 4K/144Hz and RTX experience finally fully viable. The problem with "4090" is that, beginning with this generation, it seems that Jensen simply doesn't care about lower-end gamers anymore, and intentionally cut-downs everything to the point where the X90 class is the best value (or close to) there is, not to mention the perfect storm with the recession upon us and non-US currencies devaluation - yes, especially the Euro => which means something like a 4070 will cost 1100€. Sure, it's not nVIDIA's fault for this, but the "American" MSRP is crap to begin with. The 3060 Ti/3070/3080 vs 3090 seemed to be an exception/mistake he will never do again, unless people vote with their wallet at least right now.

@veduci22

Жыл бұрын

There is huge market for $500 4050 cards because Nvidia is a brand... Even if AMD has products with far better price/performance ratio they will still have less than 20% of market.

@davidszep3488

Жыл бұрын

Dont worry, buy AMD or Intel GPU...or nothing, you have card now right?

@rayenwoomed5323

Жыл бұрын

@@veduci22 Crazy to think that the GTX 980 launched around the $500 price point. Even with inflation, the 4050 should not be that expensive. 😔

@billpii6314

Жыл бұрын

@@veduci22 Wrong

@LeegallyBliindLOL

Жыл бұрын

Slight correction. 4k 144hz is not fully viable, because it can't run 4K 144hz over DisplayPort 1.4 . DP 1.4 only supports 4K 120hz at 4:4:4.

I have the same Corsair 850w PSU. Was it enough power? Or was the 850w a typo?

my biggest takeaway from this is how well the 6950 xt stacks up at 1440p. in the UK, it only costs $680 USD before tax (scan). it gets most of the way there at well under half the price.

@TheGuy..........

Жыл бұрын

4090 is cpu limited at 1440p and 1080p

@babochee

Жыл бұрын

@@TheGuy.......... which is nvidia's problem for not making cpus

Best Review of the card I have seen. Pretty great you test so many games and different use cases. I love your reviews and the detail. Those videos require a lot of work and I appreciate that you put the hard work into this. Love your channel! ❤️

Ahhh so it begins

Great video! I think a comparison between PCI-E 3.0 and PCI-E 4.0 performance would be interesting. I mean nvidia didn't jump to 5.0 so I wonder if there even is a difference between 4.0 and 3.0.

@berengerchristy6256

Жыл бұрын

Not for gaming

@henryvaneyk3769

Жыл бұрын

No point at all. GPUs, even one such as this, do not have near the bandwidth to make use of PCI-E 4.0.

@mexmer3223

Жыл бұрын

faster PCIE has meaning only when you need to move large data, which technically makes no sense for games (not to menion rebar rectifies lot of data latency issues for asset loading). when we talking ML/AI in that case you need high bandwith ... but that's more suitable for former QUADRO cards or new RTX Axxxx cards. Other periferals benefitting from higher bandwith are NICs and RAID controllers, but even highend gaming GPUs have hard time bottlenecking PCIe 3.0@16x

Thanks for the review, well detailed and informative. One thing I miss on our www, information how it will stack up against older cards with...triple screen gaming at 1080p, 1440p or 4k even. I mean that is where this card will really make a difference I think else it seems nearly overkill at some titles and anything below 4k gaming. Running triple 1440p myself which results in 11059200 pixels which is 25% more demanding then 4k I need some testing data for that. Not a single reviewer on the web doing this yet. Thanks.

@furiousscotsman2916

Жыл бұрын

rough estimate would be take 25% off the fps from any 4k result and you will have a ballpark for what you would get with ur 3x1440p .

I am really impressed by this performance no matter the power usage, though the msrp brings me back memories from the scalpocalypse..

@surft

Жыл бұрын

Those who bought 3090TI's at $2k early in the year though, are probably kicking themselves.

@Blood3533

Жыл бұрын

@Eric Nope since 4090Ti will be overkill.

@alexxxvill69

Жыл бұрын

@@Blood3533 4090ti will most likely start at $2,000. Thats a $400 difference. 4090 buyers won't kick themselves. At the most, it'll be 10-15fps diference. Not worth it.

@alexxxvill69

Жыл бұрын

@Eric Its not overkill for 4k.

Woah, the jump in perf/power is actually spectacular. A pleasant surprise, this card knocks the performance part out of the park. Price... eh. Will wait and see the lower end cards for that.

@colbyboucher6391

Жыл бұрын

Of course it needs to chug 400 watts to do it

@Nerdywr

Жыл бұрын

@@colbyboucher6391 man your stupid af lol. Steve literally already showed the frame/watt is almost 50+% better than the 3090ti. It only chugs 400w because the games are run with frames uncapped at 4K. Stupid as fuck.

@RobBCactive

Жыл бұрын

What jump???? There's only a jump if you select Nvidia's most offensively abusive crypto bubble height Ti cards. Given the 6900xt is $699 now, the price/perf has actually tanked

@markhackett2302

Жыл бұрын

That isn't perf/power, the 4090 could be 75% idle while the 3090 is 25% idle, so if you did power/watt to "fully used", the 4090 would lose again (at those figures) because it is sitting idle a LOT more than the previous gens. It becomes intercomparible with Navi31, theoretically both AD102 and Navi31 should be equally idle at that task, and perf/watt would compare. As it is, it compared the 3090 with the 6950, and we already knew the 3090 was cranked to the limit, so it isn't much of a surprise there. If the same test were done between 3080 (top end, not halo) and 6800/XT (again, top end, not halo), then we would see the actual architecture used be tested, whereas the halo can "excuse" itself as unprepresentative of that architecture, so losing isn't indicating other than the 3090 was heavily overclocked, not that NVidia were poor at optimisations.

@Blad071

Жыл бұрын

@@RobBCactive you AMD fanbois are actually insufferable. Nvidia could make something that is 4x on performance for next gen for the same price and you would still find something bad about it. Not an Nvidia fan myself but they actually made something amazing but you Muppets can't let go of your stupid hateboner.

Is ReBAR required to fully utilize this card (like in the case of the new Intel cards)?

As always, oustanding video Steve. But once again, I'm wondering why you'd dropper MSFS2020 from the benchmark list?

I just bought an EVGA 2080ti ftw3 off eBay for $420. I'll be sticking with that card for the foreseeable future as it plays everything I want on ultra settings and I'm only playing on a 1080p monitor.

@badz1497

Жыл бұрын

2080ti for 1080p is overkill anyway

@Maddmargarita

Жыл бұрын

@@badz1497 I know.

@AdiiS

Жыл бұрын

@@badz1497 no it's not and it will be much worse in a few months with new games, it will be just enough for 1080p60.

@tranquil14738

Жыл бұрын

420? I would’ve thought it would be cheaper. 4 year old gpu man

@Maddmargarita

Жыл бұрын

@@tranquil14738 for a 2080 ti? right now that's a steal dude. Go look at the prices. And it's more powerful than a 3070.

What a packed review! Thanks, Steve 👍 30:10 "Ray Tracing is finally a carefree option" Knowing the great conversations HUB has had about this 'moment', that comment stands out.

@Hardwareunboxed

Жыл бұрын

Thank you Matt, as always your support is much appreciated.

Did you have DLSS3 on or off during the testing? The Framerates seem absurd at 4k for the 4090.

How does it scale with older CPUs? I have a 3700X is it time to grab a 5800X3D for 4k or still more gpu bound?

I really appreciate the work that's gone into those cost per frame graphs. Excellent review, and I have no problems linking this video to anyone who wants to know if they should get one.

@LiveBenchmarks

Жыл бұрын

really? no problems?

Nice to see huge generational gains, hope the 4060 isn't cut down too much and ends up performing well at a decent price but that's asking too much.

@Thor_Asgard_

Жыл бұрын

you know that the 80 is allready more then 50% cut down ^^ the is no price/performance increase this gen for midrange. its a joke.

@nsuinteger-au

Жыл бұрын

"at a decent price". You lost the plot there

@nerijus7

Жыл бұрын

4060 should cost about $700 but its only prediction.

@lagarttemido

Жыл бұрын

The "4080 12GB" is your 4060 buddy.

@Dark.Syndicate

Жыл бұрын

@@lagarttemido yeah. still weird seeing these people expecting nvidia to release decently priced good gpus. it seems like such people live under a rock!

how many takes did you do to time that music? or did you slow down the frames/cut the music to the footage?

As always, Great review! On availability, I've heard multiple reviewer saying that this time stock is plenty and there should be no problem finding this generation out in the wild. And yet, a couple of days in and, at least in europe, they are nowhere to be found. FEs were completely gone seconds after the sale went live and partner's card impossible to find outside one offs on sketchy sites at absurd premiums.

Very impressive, but I will be waiting for RDNA 3. I would be interested in a cost per frame for RT results.

It's seems like even if you have a top of the line PC. If you want to play games maybe your better at going for 4k 144hz then 1440 240/360hz thanks to CPU bottle necks. (Then again with the lack of display port 2.0 on the cards you can't do 4k 144hz only 4k 120hz. Really dumb move from Nvida)

@shotgunjohn3

Жыл бұрын

8k 500 FPS War Thunder content bby

Is DLSS 3 enabled on games testing? if not, i wonder how much will it improve,

For some reason I didn't get any recommendations or notification for this video from youtube had to search you guys to find the video

Would be really interesting to see Alder Lake vs zen3d vs zen4 comparison using the RTX4090!

Hold out guys! Lets not forget $599.99 would have got you a top-of-the-line GPU in 2008 called the GeForce 9800 GX2. Adjusting for inflation today that would be $927.85 Far below the 4090's price. Don't buy it and have them drop their prices or buy their competitor AMD if their prices make sense

@saxoman1

Жыл бұрын

Ima definitely wait to see what AMD has to offer (as well as how it compares with the 4080 and the other "4080" (really 4070). Also, 24GB vram has been the top SKU for 4 damn years now 😂, should be 48GB minimum by now 😡. But I won't lie, the performance looks insane, wonder how emulation will fair 🤔.

@ChrisM541

Жыл бұрын

THIS !!!

@kiloneie

Жыл бұрын

That's how i am doing it, bought 2x GPUs(my dad at the time, too young back then) for 300€, each for a Crysis game, 1 and 2, 3870 and 6950HD, then it cost me 550€ for 1070 Ti just a month or 2 before RTX 2000 series, bloody crypto prices at the time, so now i am looking to max out at absolute max 650€, hopefully 600€, but in like a year or two from now, no money atm + whatever this recession is, if it's not artificially made yet again.

@Safetytrousers

Жыл бұрын

The 9800 GX2 did so little less than what the 4090 does. It's not apples to apples.

@ComputerProfessor

Жыл бұрын

@@Safetytrousers as someone who was in computers during that time, it was the 4090 of it's day. Next generation will be faster. Should you pay $2k for the 5090? 2.2k for the 6090? 2.5k for the 7090? There's a decent amount of people that understand silicone and yield rates that knows they're trying to please their share holders

Nice review Steve. Any chance we can get a benchmark on Flight Simulator 2020? Or is it still giving you trouble?

What are your thoughts on the 4090 using only Display port 1.4a? Seems that this card should be capable of more than 120hz at 4k for lots of games but the interconnect can't support it

We arrived at 4k without any downsides, except price and watt usages.

The performance is impressive but the 1080ti had a big jump like this over its predecessor and wasn't near this expensive. The price on this card is awful. $1600 best case is insane even for flagship. I typically buy flagship GPUs but not this gen. The price in this economy sucks all the excitement out of the performance for me at least.

@HeirofCarthage

Жыл бұрын

Very well done video and benchmarks as usual! Top notch content.

@cptnsx

Жыл бұрын

The 1080TI was ~70% faster than the 980TI and was only 699.

@matteo964

Жыл бұрын

@@cptnsx it could many times double the performance really. Especially at qhd

@notapplicable7292

Жыл бұрын

As GN has said many times, Nvidia will never make the mistake of the 1080ti again.

amazing unboxing. great style as usual from harbor unbox.. 👍

Thanks for reviewing the 4090 on the 5800x3D. I'm sticking with mine at least until I can see how the 7800x3D performs.

@jonaslarsson1761

Жыл бұрын

Same here. Receiving my suprim x 4090 tomorrow and I hope that my x 3d will keep me gpu bottlenecked in most games

@oz_steve9759

Жыл бұрын

@@jonaslarsson1761 Going to be doing exactly the same as you, keep the 5800x3d and see what the 7800x3D can bring to the table. I am only interested VR gaming at approx 4K and may discover that my current CPU and the 4090 are all I need to max out the VR headset.

These are some awesome results, now it's time to wait for the AMD counterpart, it's gonna be interesting seeing the first chiplet design GPU results. I hope we can get 1080p 240hz OLED and 1440p 240hz OLED monitors very soon with the new standards of performance.

@nishanthadda8824

Жыл бұрын

AMD is dead.

@SpeedKillersGaming

Жыл бұрын

@@nishanthadda8824 if amd csnnot deliver ray tracing performance as good or better than nvidia then it is for me

@nishanthadda8824

Жыл бұрын

@@SpeedKillersGaming yeah we buy 4090

Amazing advancements in technology, I might just pick one up in a couple of years if the price come down a bit

@undeny

Жыл бұрын

Might not be worth it then.. Power consumption will surely improve and by the we might have newer technologies than dlss 3 as well

ALSO can’t wait for 1M! You guys so deserve it!!

What will be the performance with PCI-E gen 3 slot?

It's interesting to see how zen4 cpus go with new rtx 40 series cards, especially with 4090.

great review, nice testing and numbers, and awesome analysis and conclusion. Best performance reviews in youtube. keep it up Steve! for this 4090 i expected less performance drop when activating RT, it looks to lose kinda similar % performance than the 3090 ti, just a bit less. Maybe is just RT optimizations in those games.

@jikman681

Жыл бұрын

if you look at the CP 1440p data the 4090 gets 59 percent of its RT off performance in RT Ultra while the 3090 ti can only retain 47 Percent of its RT ofg performance. So the 4090 clearly looses less performance in rt

@MrDvneil

Жыл бұрын

@@jikman681 just like i said, going from 53% loss to 41% loss, is not a significative improvement, for a 2000€ gpu, i expected something like 53 to 23% or something like that.

What effect will different CPUs have at 4k?

Thanks for the great video Steve. Apart from re-benchmarking the CPUs with the 4090, I'd also like to see if PCIe 3.0 X16 is now a bottleneck for this video card. Cheers once again.

@colemin2

Жыл бұрын

Good question.

@lagarttemido

Жыл бұрын

It should be on 1080p and lower I guess.

@zvonimirkomar2309

Жыл бұрын

@@lagarttemido I don't know, it needs to be tested. 3090ti was very consistently about 3fps slower on all resolutions on PCIe 3.0 vs 4.0.

@jyrolys6

Жыл бұрын

@@zvonimirkomar2309 that could be more to do with 4.0 having a higher frequency for tighter update cycles. Unlikely to be a result of bandwidth alone.

Those 4k results made me spill my water I never thought I'd see the day

@LiveBenchmarks

Жыл бұрын

really? Its not hard when the card is consuming 400+ watts ya know

A review containing all types of advices for all classes of people...Great job HUB & not to mention Nvidia(without the pricepoint)!

Hey, can anyone answer this question? Since Nvidia says the 4090 has DP 1.4a for 4K @ 240hz resolution but according to multiple sources DP 1.4a max resolution is 4K @ 120hz. Does this really display 4k @ 240hz?

23:00 wow, this is an interesting chart. For those who don't care about 'max numbers' and instead are happy to run FPS at a cap (say, using Gsync or the like) this card is not only going to have very stable framrates (i.e. high 1% lows) but also be dumping a lot less heat in the system.

Great review, as usual. Question is have we reached a point where the card's capability at 4K has exceeded capabilities of any Monitor? Thinking it is like having a car capable of 180 MPH and living in New York City with a 25 MPH speed limit.

@DravenCanter

Жыл бұрын

The highest refresh rate 4k monitor is 240 hz.

@damiendegrasse

Жыл бұрын

No

@MLWJ1993

Жыл бұрын

Depends on if you factor in features like DLSS 3.0 If you don't the answer is: it depends. Some games actually might go beyond 4k high refreshrate monitors.

2.5x - 4x better performance, yeah right Nvidia, calm down yeah ! I see mostly around +50-60% in performance and sometimes not even that...for €1600 ? Thats a thievery ! Btw Harware Unboxed, props to you showing Hunt: Showdown, thats a big big plus you won over me :)

No one put much hard work like you guys very appreciated keep up the amazing videos

I have an EVGA Supernova G3 850w. I read thats the minimum and 1000w recommended. Im getting the feeling the 850w is more then enough in an average system with no serious overclocks etc?

The best and most complete benchmarks.. thanks guys!

2 generations from now sounds like a nice future. Hanging on to 5700xt a while longer.

@Aleph-Noll

Жыл бұрын

me side eyeing my gtx970 >.> hold on baby for a little while longer

I LOVE that you are testing with the 5800X3D here. Have that CPU and I bought a 4090 for high refresh rate 1440p gaming after seeing this.

So all these are high settings and not ultra right ? ( i mean it’s not maxed out 4k figures )

This card looks scary, I know we're thinking CPU bound, but like I would like to see this card against Intel and AMD CPUs a few years from now because last gen Nvidia cards looked like this during release but we didn't really see such change until 5800X3D came out. So now I think we're gonna have to wait until we see a few more generations of CPUs to see exactly the limits of this card.

@berengerchristy6256

Жыл бұрын

This card is a waste of money for gaming if you’re below 4k

@heruvim8887

Жыл бұрын

@@berengerchristy6256 yeah people were saying the same for 3080/3090 , look at them 2 years later, stop thinking you buy 4090 to play 2 months with it lmao.. no card is to much for 1440p.

@berengerchristy6256

Жыл бұрын

@@heruvim8887 no one was saying that

The best thing to me is not the performance, but rather the improved efficiency. Much better than I expected.

what do you think about der8auer finding about the behaviour of the 4090 a 60% power target

LOVE the way you started with the havenly music !!! nearly wet myself laughing, I have the Gamerock Rgb vomit version and I didn`t hear any havenly music :))

that thumbnail and intro is top notch xdxdxdxdxxd

Some are now on newegg with pricing at $2649.00 to $3199.00... Even at $1600 they can keep it... Very happy with my 6700XT....

Is it safe to use that adapter?

Any coil whine on the FE card?

Now, if it wasn't the price of a high end gaming system I would be more impressed.🤔

I told myself i wouldnt get a 4090. (ive a 10700k + 3080 rig at 1440p gaming) But the hype got the better of me, i ordered a PNY XLR8 4090 which is supposedly just an FE but with beefier cooling, we'll see when it arrives. Im very excited, i imagine my fractal design ION 860w Platinum psu should be fine at stock speeds.

@saxoman1

Жыл бұрын

Similar for me, except my cpu is 5900x, I have a 144hz 4K monitor that my 3080 can't fully drive on high settings, but THIS thing is literally twice as fast, I never thought I'd spend $1,800 (after taxes, Gigabyte gaming OC) on a GPU, but here we are 😂😂 (luckily, now I can afford it)

Great work lots of info presented thoughtfully

Looking forward to your take on the power curve of the 4090 that de8auer found in his review!