Gassification Wood Consumption vs. Conventional

Here is my 3 week progress video showing the wood usage of my Heatmaster G200. I shot an update every week for 3 weeks to document how much wood I used. Then, I compared that to how much wood I would have burned with my old Heatmaster MF10,000E conventional wood stove.

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  • @iaindennis3321
    @iaindennis33215 жыл бұрын

    I’m your 100th subscriber - tuning in from England - appreciate the insight into your life and lifestyle. Really admire the self reliance of your life.

  • @roncoleman9502
    @roncoleman95023 жыл бұрын

    Wow I just went through your comments and my did they ever make it rough on you. Ha ha. I have the older wood boiler 5000 and am very satisfied with it but what you traded yours in for sounds like a great deal. Thank you for all the wonderful information you gave. I'm in Tennessee so our winters aren't as bad as you all have it but I have a brother that lives around Hartford city and it's a lot different up there then here. Thank you my friend

  • @robbieeast3559
    @robbieeast35595 жыл бұрын

    I know what they say about opinions, but here's mine. Those small pieces are convenient and easy to get into the fire box but those are cut and split as of they are going into a conventional wood stove. Easy to over split them with the ease of a hydraulic splitter! ( I have one also) have some small pieces on hand to layer the bottom with or fill in some empty spaces between larger chunks. Great to have for sure, but try throwing some large chunks in there. Large knarly or unsplit logs in there will burn MUCH longer and cut back your consumption and less labor splitting as well. Works great in my boiler. Also dont force feed it if it doesnt need it. Just a good bed of coals will burn for hours alone! Works great in my boiler anyway. Its been hovering around zero here in Ky. last 2 days and still getting 24 hour burns on a 1/2 to 3/4 load. Use good seasoned hardwood and loading it up half full will burn as long as a full load. Filling it full just wastes wood. Been running my boiler 15 years now and still fine tuning and seeing what works the best. BTW. thats a nice stove

  • @stevehouseworth5555

    @stevehouseworth5555

    2 жыл бұрын

    My experience is the opposite Robbie. Think surface area. The more surface area the easier to extract gasses from the wood, then burn those gasses through the gassification process. The larger the wood chunks, the less surface area, ergo the more difficult to heat the wood and extract the gasses.

  • @mrpush2532

    @mrpush2532

    6 ай бұрын

    I don't think he is a gasofire unit.

  • @GrizC
    @GrizC2 жыл бұрын

    Great video . Just don't forget people been gasifiering for last 24 years like my conventional boiler. Yes they do it also cost is alot less . And makes some serious heat . And in pinch it burn any moisture wood also . This started back in mid 90s stainless in 1994 yes I bought on it's called Heatmor . Other companies have caught on and I think that was an after what 2020. 🤔 Ya hmmm. You should see a full of blue to rose flames firebox 32x23x54 inch . 👍😉 Priceless.

  • @durock0011
    @durock00115 жыл бұрын

    So glad I didn’t go this route and stuck with a soap stone stove that overnight load you had in there is about a 5 days worth that I use to heat the house.

  • @countryboyjohn7968

    @countryboyjohn7968

    5 жыл бұрын

    Every situation is different. If you like having an indoor stove, great! I heat hot water for 8 people. I heat my garage and 3,000 sft divided over 2 floors.

  • @HomesteadJay

    @HomesteadJay

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@countryboyjohn7968 My house would be impossible to heat with stoves, like John said they have there place if you have a small home. I have 3000 sft home as well. I need my outdoor broiler cause I have 5 People living there. Domestic hot water and 5 heating zones and radiat floor heat on the main floor!

  • @jtstandar
    @jtstandar4 жыл бұрын

    Where is the update as to how much you used over the entire heating season? Good video just curious.

  • @countryboyjohn7968

    @countryboyjohn7968

    4 жыл бұрын

    I have the video shot now. I just have to find the time to get it edited and posted.

  • @dantheman1283
    @dantheman12835 жыл бұрын

    You should make an update video of your system and how it did all winter in the cold and such and compare to the mf and different wood moisture level

  • @countryboyjohn7968

    @countryboyjohn7968

    5 жыл бұрын

    I'm planning on it. I'm still burning. I usually burn well into April.

  • @dantheman1283

    @dantheman1283

    5 жыл бұрын

    Cover some burn times and ease of keeping the fire going throughout the season compared to the good ole wood eater😁

  • @countryboyjohn7968

    @countryboyjohn7968

    5 жыл бұрын

    Can do! I can tell you now, that my burn times are 12 hours all day every day. That is intentional, not from capacity limitations. With the gassers, you can't stuff the thing full and leave it for 3 days like I could my old one. It really needs to be loaded for 12 hours every 12 hours. I have loaded a bit too much sometimes and accidentally went 24 hours. But, that's not the norm.

  • @dantheman1283

    @dantheman1283

    5 жыл бұрын

    Where do you live again

  • @countryboyjohn7968

    @countryboyjohn7968

    5 жыл бұрын

    SW Indiana

  • @martinbyrne6643
    @martinbyrne66434 жыл бұрын

    What’s the moisture content of that is it below 20 pc ‘ if wood is not dry or say over 20 pc will the heat tubes in the boiler tar up and cause problems’ I know wood has to be dry ‘ but was just wondering

  • @countryboyjohn7968

    @countryboyjohn7968

    4 жыл бұрын

    I cover this in my video I just posted. Hop back to the channel main page and watch my 1 year review of the G200.

  • @rockymountainfirewood3873
    @rockymountainfirewood38732 жыл бұрын

    Great video! Efficiency is ramped up for sure. What kind of electrical draw does that unit have? Thanks.

  • @countryboyjohn7968

    @countryboyjohn7968

    2 жыл бұрын

    I never monitored it that closely. However, my total electric bill during the winter is $125 a month. That includes the stove, pumps, 2 furnace blowers and ask the usual electric appliances and lights. Water heater turned off at the breaker.

  • @rockymountainfirewood3873

    @rockymountainfirewood3873

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@countryboyjohn7968 Interesting. Thanks. I was just curious about during a power outage etc. Cheers.

  • @juliobernardollaneza2771

    @juliobernardollaneza2771

    2 жыл бұрын

    6

  • @themechanic5467
    @themechanic54675 жыл бұрын

    Great info, I'm considering the same boiler. What are your average burn times between loading? Thanks

  • @countryboyjohn7968

    @countryboyjohn7968

    5 жыл бұрын

    12 hours. You could say 10-14. But, I can't do 24 hours like I did with my previous stove. Not because of capacity, but because of how this stove works. If you load for 24 hours, you increase risk of bridging and the fire going out. It works best if you load every 12 hours or so.

  • @themechanic5467

    @themechanic5467

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@countryboyjohn7968 thanks, that's decent. I'm planning to heat my 2 story 1800sf drafty farmhouse and insulated 2000sf 14ft ceiling shop. I'm thinking the 200 is the best size. How big is the shop/garage your heating? Thanks again!

  • @countryboyjohn7968

    @countryboyjohn7968

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@themechanic5467 I'm not heating a shop. I heat my semi detached garage, which is about 500 sft. I think you'll be good with a G200.

  • @mainelyelectric
    @mainelyelectric3 жыл бұрын

    Questions so are your insulated pex lines inside of that’s plastic culvert pipe? what diameter is that culvert? And are they insulated more than usual since they are not buried do you have any issues with temp loss or freezing if the water cools down? Thanks I’m just wondering because I plan on getting a wood boiler and having insulated pex between the garage and home but have ledge/bedrock very close to the surface and was planning on feeding it through a culvert like that along the ground and filling over it with only a few feet of soil.

  • @countryboyjohn7968

    @countryboyjohn7968

    3 жыл бұрын

    I wrapped my 4 lines in grey frost king and zip tied them all together. Then, I wrapped that was batt insulation and stuffed that through the culvert pipe. It is 8" pipe. I'm not worried about temp loss at all. Snow sits on it for several hours. If I was installing this system under ground, I would go with a sanitary sewer grade pipe, like SDR 35. Not dual wall HDPE. If was was going any longer distance than the 8' I am here, I would buy Rinoflex, Logstor, or something like that. I would not bury this setup at all.

  • @mainelyelectric

    @mainelyelectric

    3 жыл бұрын

    CountryBoyJohn would SDR 35 be cheaper per section than dual wall HDPE Why’s the reason for going with SDR35?

  • @countryboyjohn7968

    @countryboyjohn7968

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@mainelyelectric No, it's not cheaper. I just feel more confident about using glued fittings, rather than gasket only. If your batt insulation gets wet, you're screwed!

  • @mainelyelectric

    @mainelyelectric

    3 жыл бұрын

    CountryBoyJohn 👍👍👍what about filling the trench over the pipe with a few inch’s of spray foam? If it’s shallow.

  • @countryboyjohn7968

    @countryboyjohn7968

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@mainelyelectric No. That won't help anything. You can cap the ends of the pipe with foam once it enters the house and inside the back of the stove. But, capping your pipe with foam in the ground won't do anything.

  • @victoryfirst2878
    @victoryfirst28783 жыл бұрын

    Why is there so much creosote on the inside of the burn chamber by the door ??? Thanks

  • @countryboyjohn7968

    @countryboyjohn7968

    3 жыл бұрын

    The door is the coldest spot on the stove. That's where condensation occurs. I was also burning pretty wet wood that first year. I'm burning much drier wood now and I have very little dripping now. I still have buildup at the door though. I just scrape it off when I happen to load at the end of a burn cycle when it's all hot.

  • @victoryfirst2878

    @victoryfirst2878

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@countryboyjohn7968 Thanks and Merry Christmas fella too. V

  • @davidwhynot6432
    @davidwhynot64325 жыл бұрын

    20deg lol thats like spring here

  • @andrewseamans1419
    @andrewseamans14195 ай бұрын

    Curious how it's all going five years later? Looking at the G4000

  • @countryboyjohn7968

    @countryboyjohn7968

    5 ай бұрын

    Going well! I've had to replace the insulation on the lower door twice. I just replaced my blower this year. Haven't had to add any water in 5 years. But that's all!

  • @TheCrazyPlace
    @TheCrazyPlace5 жыл бұрын

    How are you liking your g200? We've got a woodmaster 5500 that's too big for us so we're going to downsize. Heating 3800 and 2 water heaters. Only 2 adults and a child.

  • @countryboyjohn7968

    @countryboyjohn7968

    5 жыл бұрын

    I'm loving my G200. I'm all shut down now. Going to clean it up and do my 1 year review video soon.

  • @TheCrazyPlace

    @TheCrazyPlace

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@countryboyjohn7968 I've been looking at them again tonight and realized we have a dealer like 15 miles from us. I'm gonna call them on Monday and find out a bit more. I think I we will buy one soon, hook it up and just put our old stove in the shop and up for sale.

  • @johnvitz310
    @johnvitz310 Жыл бұрын

    Looks nice, but I’m wondering if it be safer further away from house, what does ur insurance think?

  • @countryboyjohn7968

    @countryboyjohn7968

    Жыл бұрын

    Insurance is a widely ranging answer. I've heard anywhere from indoors to 150' away. My provider had the most common sense in requireing that I follow manufacturers reccomendations. That was 36" from any combustable materials. I am 10' from my garage. Been burning for 10 years and have never seen a burn mark anywhere. I've never even come across smoldering grass!

  • @bushmanhd4884
    @bushmanhd48845 жыл бұрын

    I heat about 5000sf house and shop and it's -25c average and I burn mostly seasoned poplar I have to load it right up 3-4 times a day. I have a g200 also

  • @countryboyjohn7968

    @countryboyjohn7968

    5 жыл бұрын

    Goodness!! Sounds like you should have gone with a G400!

  • @andrewscott2866

    @andrewscott2866

    5 жыл бұрын

    This might sound crazy but I've been going through my seasoned poplar like crazy this year. I buck up 8 footers from a pile I consider half dry and get substantially more heat from it. I'm running a conventional boiler.

  • @countryboyjohn7968

    @countryboyjohn7968

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@andrewscott2866 Yeah, poplar is a very low BTU wood. Higher than pine, but lower than all the good hardwoods. Also, I've found that wood that is in log form doesn't dry anywhere close to split wood. At least cut it into rounds as soon as you can. Ideally, split it.

  • @andrewscott2866

    @andrewscott2866

    5 жыл бұрын

    My split seasoned poplar is burning like newspaper. The fresh cut rounds are the only reason I'm not going through 2 cords a week right now. Cold snap in Manitoba right now. Really has me scratching my head.

  • @bushmanhd4884

    @bushmanhd4884

    5 жыл бұрын

    Lol I'm from Manitoba also -38c Wednesday night

  • @charlesmckinley29
    @charlesmckinley294 жыл бұрын

    Did you look at the Tarm gassifier? I'm just starting my research.

  • @countryboyjohn7968

    @countryboyjohn7968

    4 жыл бұрын

    No. That's an indoor only unit.

  • @mainelyelectric

    @mainelyelectric

    4 жыл бұрын

    Charles McKinley If you’re interested in indoor wood boilers look at the WOOD GUN By alternate heating systems in PA For Residential is their E155 model

  • @charlesmckinley29

    @charlesmckinley29

    4 жыл бұрын

    Ben Boudreau thanks, Would prefer outdoor but could go with either.

  • @mainelyelectric

    @mainelyelectric

    4 жыл бұрын

    Charles McKinley I believe they’ve also come out with a outdoor version of the E155 and if you get it in stainless steel it has a 20 year firebox warranty!!

  • @rickwilkinson9470
    @rickwilkinson9470 Жыл бұрын

    I built a rocket stove from a 100 lb propane cylinder. It burns about 1/3 the wood with the same BTUs with zero smoke. Conventional wood burners waste a lot.

  • @jakekampfer4954
    @jakekampfer49545 жыл бұрын

    Hi I was wondering what ended up being your total usage of wood for the heating season with your new boiler? Also have you experimented with burning softwood such as pine? I am looking into a new gasification boiler and was wondering how it does with soft woods

  • @countryboyjohn7968

    @countryboyjohn7968

    5 жыл бұрын

    I ended up around 8-10 cords.....I think. My wood situation this year didn't allow for a really good measurement. But, I think that is higher than what it will level out at. I had an extra 3 kids (foster) with me this winter which made for many more showers than in previous years. Also, I burned green wood. I had my wood in log form almost up until the time I burned it. The driest stuff I had was around 25% MC. I anticipate my usage dropping even more next year. I didn't burn any softwoods. I can tell you, if it doesn't coal well, it will struggle. I've never burned pine so I don't know how it burns.

  • @kennethheern4896

    @kennethheern4896

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@countryboyjohn7968 I wouldn’t burn pine in a gasification burner. Pine is the worst for having sticky creosote. It can set inside for 2 years and still plug up your stove.

  • @edouardpierre2342
    @edouardpierre23425 жыл бұрын

    Great video and thank you for sharing. What wood do you prefer burning. I have a conventional Crown Royal outdoor furnace and mix hard coal and wood, however having a hard time getting consistent burns. Any advice would be helpful! Thank you!

  • @countryboyjohn7968

    @countryboyjohn7968

    5 жыл бұрын

    My absolute favorite is Black Locust. It dries fairly quickly, burns super hot. But, the best thing about locust, is it coals well. That's the secret for hot gassification is coal bed. Locust breaks down really well into coals quickly, and that's where it shines. Hedge is just like locust, but harder to come by. So, what do you mean consistent burns? You mean you have trouble getting 12 hours out of the same load of wood? Do you mean you fire goes out a lot? What kind of wood are you burning?

  • @HomesteadJay
    @HomesteadJay5 жыл бұрын

    This is a really cool video! Neat machine! I am a new subscriber! I have a homestead in NH and I have a central boiler CL6048 and I am curious to see how much wood ive used this season. This is the first season where I can actually measure since ive been playing catch up. We moved in to the homestead 3 years ago and had little to no supply left from the previous owner, why would he restock for someone else enjoyment lol I cant blame him. When my machine retires I am going with a gasification system next and will be curious to see the difference. Subscribe to my channel to follow along! Talk soon, Jay

  • @BLEnterpriseLincoln
    @BLEnterpriseLincoln4 жыл бұрын

    Dude where u live?

  • @countryboyjohn7968

    @countryboyjohn7968

    4 жыл бұрын

    Southwest Indiana

  • @victor-hn1bh
    @victor-hn1bh Жыл бұрын

    Find this video hard to believe

  • @cedricsimmons2033
    @cedricsimmons20335 жыл бұрын

    Hello and good morning what size pipe on mf10000 furnace

  • @countryboyjohn7968

    @countryboyjohn7968

    5 жыл бұрын

    What pipe are you referring to?

  • @cedricsimmons2033

    @cedricsimmons2033

    5 жыл бұрын

    Chimney pipe for mf10000

  • @countryboyjohn7968

    @countryboyjohn7968

    5 жыл бұрын

    Gotcha. Yeah, the chimney on the 10k is an 8".

  • @suresure267
    @suresure2674 жыл бұрын

    What do you think about the log boiler systems? Vs conventional or gasification?

  • @countryboyjohn7968

    @countryboyjohn7968

    4 жыл бұрын

    Apples and oranges. My understanding is log boilers are for huge industrial needs. Yes, they heat water by burning wood. But we're taking a vastly different order of magnitude. I can't see any normal homeowner ever needing a top load log boiler.

  • @suresure267

    @suresure267

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@countryboyjohn7968 they do make smaller units, with the difference being the top of the chamber opens up so you can load logs instead of having to cut and split for the most part. They claim you can go to every other day loading or more...

  • @countryboyjohn7968

    @countryboyjohn7968

    4 жыл бұрын

    I'm sure there efficiency isn't as high as gassers. But, if your tossing logs in with a tractor or skid loader, efficiency probably isn't a concern. If you got so much wood that you can just toss logs in every couple days, more power to you. Gassers squeeze every BTU out of a piece of wood as possible.

  • @suresure267

    @suresure267

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@countryboyjohn7968 I have several tree trimming companies close by that cant get rid of wood plus what I cut. Thank you for your thoughts.

  • @briangirard7271
    @briangirard72712 жыл бұрын

    Oh shit. That would last me 2 days with my 5000.

  • @timr3031
    @timr30313 жыл бұрын

    Man at 3:40 looks like theres some ash bore beatles just pouring out of the wood I got alot of dead ash on my land from those buggers it's a shame

  • @countryboyjohn7968

    @countryboyjohn7968

    3 жыл бұрын

    We have the emerald ash borer in our county. I have two ash trees by my house that I treat to keep alive. I don't bring home dead ash that has been infected with the Emerald Ash. However, I did bring some home that had a different borer bug. It's called a Locust Borer. It's yellow and black.

  • @AATreeService
    @AATreeService3 жыл бұрын

    How do U go from needing a 10,000 to a g200. No wonder you were wasting so much wood! Get that wood covered!

  • @countryboyjohn7968

    @countryboyjohn7968

    3 жыл бұрын

    When I bought the 10k in 2013, it was the only legal conventional stove I could buy in Indiana. It was oversized, but legal. I wasn't convinced on the gassification technology. Correctly so!

  • @jorrick66
    @jorrick664 жыл бұрын

    Starting to think I should’ve bought a gasification instead of a used traditional

  • @countryboyjohn7968

    @countryboyjohn7968

    4 жыл бұрын

    There is a big difference for sure.

  • @MhUser
    @MhUser4 жыл бұрын

    insulate your house; make it air tight; use heat recuperation from ventilation air; report about your wood intake; my house have about 23k cubic feet volume and i use 0,6 cords of wood per year not per week :)

  • @countryboyjohn7968

    @countryboyjohn7968

    4 жыл бұрын

    Re-insulating my house would require a complete gutting of the upstairs. It has knee walls and the ceiling is vaulted against the rafters. All my drywall would have to come down. Also, I don't know how much 23k CFT is, but that's scientifically impossible to heat a home on 0.6 cords in a winter. BTU's are BTU's.

  • @MhUser

    @MhUser

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@countryboyjohn7968 23000 cubic feet or 650 m3; i did heat my house with 0,6 cord (2m3 of beech which i bought on pallets); my home is insulated without thermal bridges and air tight; heat energy demand for my house in January at -20 deg C (-4 F) is at about 3.3 kW per hour; average temperature in winter at my place is 0 C (32 F); at this time i fire my stove 1 or 2 times per week; include passive gains from sun and 5 people and electrical devices.

  • @KP-sg9fm

    @KP-sg9fm

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@MhUser you should make a video!

  • @kennethheern4896

    @kennethheern4896

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@countryboyjohn7968 That does sound impossible, .6 cord. Also, I haven’t seen any stove that would keep a fire, being filled once a week. I would like to see a video of that.

  • @mattsfirewoodvideos738
    @mattsfirewoodvideos7383 жыл бұрын

    New sub here love this type of content I have a channel with similar content check it out if you have a min. Looking forward to more content

  • @larrytornetta9764
    @larrytornetta97644 жыл бұрын

    Your pieces of wood are too small. You want large pieces of dry wood. Put a tarp over it to keep the wood dry or better yet build a wood shed on that nice pad you have.

  • @countryboyjohn7968

    @countryboyjohn7968

    4 жыл бұрын

    Tarps are terrible for drying wood. They trap moisture in. The smaller pieces break down to coal better, which is where you get the heat in a gassification stove.

  • @larrytornetta9764

    @larrytornetta9764

    4 жыл бұрын

    Not if it’s raining or snowing. Take it off if it’s dry.

  • @countryboyjohn7968

    @countryboyjohn7968

    4 жыл бұрын

    I don't disagree with that statement factually. However, seems like a lot of work to me taking tarps on and off everything time it rains.

  • @justinzago1536
    @justinzago153611 ай бұрын

    That is NOT a cord! Lol

  • @mrdavis3298
    @mrdavis32984 жыл бұрын

    Um, uh

  • @frankradcliff660
    @frankradcliff6603 жыл бұрын

    Ummmmm uhh

  • @haroldmolnar6117
    @haroldmolnar61175 жыл бұрын

    I call bull shit

  • @moekakke
    @moekakke4 жыл бұрын

    Why would people want to have this thing in the backyard ? The loss of heat is enough to warm your house with...

  • @countryboyjohn7968

    @countryboyjohn7968

    4 жыл бұрын

    You've obviously not had much experience with OWB's. If you turn the pumps off, it will take days to lose the heat. With an OWB, all the wood, bugs, dirt stay outside. You can also heat radiant flooring, domestic water, and a variety of other items that you can't with an indoor unit.

  • @moekakke

    @moekakke

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@countryboyjohn7968 no i don't and they do not exist where i live... I just see the huge pile of wood people put into that thing so that makes me wonder if it not lose allot heat beïng outside and having the long water lines and so...

  • @mainelyelectric

    @mainelyelectric

    3 жыл бұрын

    moekakke I just wanted to add my comment. It depends also on what type of insulated waterlines you use but one of the brandsof insulated pex lines I had researched said that at normal boiler temperature of 180° the lines lose 1/2 of 1 degree of temperature for I believe 100 feet!

  • @moekakke

    @moekakke

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@mainelyelectric Ok i hope all that information is correct and not a trick to sell the burner !

  • @AATreeService

    @AATreeService

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@moekakke mine will keep snow on the roof of it for 2-3 weeks before it melts off. It Melts off my house faster than the wood stove. They are very efficient, they are more efficient than an indoor stove. If U think about it, I heat my entire house AND all the hot water we need for the entire winter on about 8 cord. That’s not just one single room, that’s the entire house and the hot water. Considering every room is the same temp and the hot water heat is turned off. That is very efficient. We burn 5 to 6 months