Gas furnace piping, sediment trap, dirt leg, drip leg,
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Gas furnace piping best practices.
Carter Stanfield AHRI fundamentals of HVACR
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OK - try again9.6.1.1 Connectors and tubing shall be installed to be protected against physical and thermal damage.
9.6.1(5) CSST shall not be routed directly into a metallic appliance enclosure where the appliance is connected to a metallic vent that terminates above the roofline.
9.6.1.2 “… shall not be installed through an opening in an appliance housing, cabinet, or casing unless the tubing or connector is protected against damage.
9.6.5 “Each appliance connected to a piping system shall have an accessible, approved manual shutoff valve…”
9.6.5.1 (A) Where a connector is used the vale shall be installed upstream of the connector. A union or flanged connector shall be provided downstream from the valve…”
9.6.8 “…a sediment trap shall be installed downstream of the appliance shutoff valve as close to the inlet of the appliance as practical…”
ICC Gas Code
409.5.1 The shutoff valve will be located in the same room as the appliance. The shutoff valve will be within 6 feet of the appliance.
411.1 (3) “…semi rigid metallic tubing shall not enter a motor operated appliance through an unprotected knockout opening.”
411.1.3.3 Connectors shall not be concealed within or extended through walls, floors, partitions, ceilings, or appliance housings.
International Residential Code
G 2414.5.2 Copper and brass copper alloy tubing shall not be used if the gas contains more than an average of 0.3 grains of hydrogen sulfide per 100 standard cubic feet of gas (0.7 milligrams per 100 liters).
G2422.1.4 A union fitting shall be provided for appliances connected by rigid metallic pipe. Such unions shall be accessible and located within 6 feet (1829 mm) of the appliance.
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Brother, I just want to say, you are a huge part of why I am acing HVAC school! I so much Appreciate your videos!
Crazy that I was wondering what all the plumping and connectors were in gas piping and magically this video is uploaded 🤗🤗 Thanks!
This was exactly the video I was looking for. I'm a homeowner, the old gas line was galvanized to black to galvanized back to black all through the run. Small town having only 2 plumbing companies, both of which are short handed, left me to my own device...or whatever the plumber gods say... I worked it out to where I would run all the gas lines the plumber would test it. I roughed in the lines, set up an inspection to male sure it was to code...nothing. Long story short[er], this video explained what I knew I was missing,but I didn't know why I was missing it (sediment trap). Thanks for this video, I was not going to install it out of need for heat now (my own fault) and not understanding its purpose. I knew I was missing something in the run, but not having a professional inspect it before I "d-worded" the joints to tell me otherwise, i would have just straight piped the furnace. This video just saved me furnace. Haha
A special thanks toCarter Stanfield AHRI fundamentals of HVACR 9.6.1.1 Connectors and tubing shall be installed to be protected against physical and thermal damage..9.6.1(5) CSST shall not be routed directly into a metallic appliance enclosure where the appliance is connected to a metallic vent that terminates above the roofline.9.6.1.2 “… shall not be installed through an opening in an appliance housing, cabinet, or casing unless the tubing or connector is protected against damage.9.6.5 “Each appliance connected to a piping system shall have an accessible, approved manual shutoff valve…”9.6.5.1 (A) Where a connector is used the vale shall be installed upstream of the connector. A union or flanged connector shall be provided downstream from the valve…”9.6.8 “…a sediment trap shall be installed downstream of the appliance shutoff valve as close to the inlet of the appliance as practical…”ICC Gas Code409.5.1 The shutoff valve will be located in the same room as the appliance. The shutoff valve will be within 6 feet of the appliance.411.1 (3) “…semi rigid metallic tubing shall not enter a motor operated appliance through an unprotected knockout opening.”411.1.3.3 Connectors shall not be concealed within or extended through walls, floors, partitions, ceilings, or appliance housings. International Residential CodeG 2414.5.2 Copper and brass copper alloy tubing shall not be used if the gas contains more than an average of 0.3 grains of hydrogen sulfide per 100 standard cubic feet of gas (0.7 milligrams per 100 liters).G2422.1.4 A union fitting shall be provided for appliances connected by rigid metallic pipe. Such unions shall be accessible and located within 6 feet (1829 mm) of the appliance.
Nice job! I'm adding a furnace to my garage. Glad I watched this before I got started on the project. Will save trip(s) to the hardware store. Very much appreciated.
This gentleman is a gifted teacher.
Really great informative visual presentation, I appreciate you taking the time to put this out!
I wish I had you as my teacher three years ago when I started this trade but it is what it is I’m thankful for you sharing your knowledge peace ✌️ brother
Tnks for yous videos , world need more people like you
This is as good as my classes at tech....thanks
thank you for your video, I learned a lot for it.
Very good information thank you
Great video! Thanks!
Ty, thanks for all the detail on these videos with the codes and everything! Excellent content!
Keep learning. Love it! Thanks!
@love2hvac
Жыл бұрын
I learn something new every day #neverstoplearning
Clear detailed step by step
Very helpful for my diy project.
Good video . Thanks
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Great class as usual Mr. Branaman, some time I use leak lock, The gas leak detector went off because it sensed the chemical on the leak lock. it misled me of having a leak until I conformed it with soup bubbles. Really I appreciate your efforts and your teaching method. All of my respect.
@love2hvac
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the heads up, I'm going to try it out when I get a chance!
@steveedlund7357
2 жыл бұрын
I have had bad luck with leak lock on steel pipe because it's a hard set compound. I always used a soft set such as Recto-seal #5 to allow for thermal changes and unexpected movement which may cause a leak.
@flybyairplane3528
2 жыл бұрын
@@steveedlund7357 hello,but WHEN LAST HAVE YOU USED LEAK LOCK ? YES years ago it was hard as hell,no more, I M SURPRISED HE DID NOT MENTION THE ;YELLOW; TAPE MADE FOR GAS, BUT ONLY MENTIONED THE NORMAL TEFLON TAPE,, CHERIO,, 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
The flex connection is not CSST. It is not even close. A flex connector is made with a spiral wind not a corrugation. It will not kink when bent on the connection. All CSST manufacturers instructions prohibit using CSST as a flex connector. The manufacturers state to terminate their tubing at a rigid point connection and use the approved flexible appliance connector to make the final connection to the appliance. Your also wrong about galvanized pipe. It is not the pipe that is a problem it is the galvanized fittings which are hot dipped in zinc. The pipe is electro galvanized is not an issue.
I was taught it was for trapping moisture but it makes sense it would also trap sediment. And as for why it’s called pipe dope, I don’t know how true it is but I read somewhere years ago that in earlier days the compounds used to manufacture thread sealant would make the people working with the stuff groggy, you can take it or leave it but that’s something I remember reading and I cannot for the life of me find any information on the internet to corroborate this, not even on the mighty GOOGLE !
Pro. Yes you are!
@love2hvac
Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
Great video as usual professor. Would you know I have a test for my gas class tomorrow and you discussed lots of relevant stuff that will be on the test. I’m in Canada and what you were saying was still very relatable to our code.
@love2hvac
3 жыл бұрын
Good luck on your test! If your researching outside of your normal class material, your going to do great!
@Ric_James
3 жыл бұрын
@@love2hvac Thanks for the support and kind words. I try to set aside 2 hours daily after studying class material to learn something new .
They used to make gas appliances that would run for 50 or more years without a sediment trap and now that they are designed to be replaced constantly they somehow can't live without one.
@patrickpk6299
Жыл бұрын
not 96% efficient ones
@juliocesar-qi9rp
7 ай бұрын
15:25
Really have to watch what you say around the HGTV+ community
Your audio is only in the left channel.
HVAC since 1984 I am just now thinking I want to test a theory on how much junk really gets in the line where I live we don't have moisture in the gas or so says CPS and as for debris I would find that very common with new construction but with older houses I'm simply do not find anything in a trap that might happen to be there. My test will be using air pressure which I assume wouldn't be a whole lot different than natural gas if anything it would have moisture in it in the worst case scenario. Plan to install clear vinyl in various places and create a place to drop debris in possibly set camera up to see something going on or maybe you could just do this for me and I can go back to work. Ha! Side note we used to disassemble the "A cock" and regrease it until the plumbers cried to the board and made changing that valve to be under plumbing license.
@love2hvac
2 жыл бұрын
Let me know what you find
What if the black pipe going into the combination gas valve rotates slightly? Will gas leak out of it?
speaking of gas piping, when I had the yard marked for digging I was told the gas line from the meter to the street was plastic > seemed strange
@love2hvac
Жыл бұрын
They have had a lot of success with plastic over the years. It lasts longer, doesn't rust, handles some earth movement,. It's pretty cool, really thick orange plastic. Well it was 18 years ago when I first saw it.
Why is it required to have a union or flanged connector downstream of the shutoff valve? And does it need to be between the sediment trap and the shut off valve, or just between the shutoff valve and the appliance?
@love2hvac
Жыл бұрын
Your local code may be different but typically just somewhere between the gas stop and the electronic valve. The unit on or flanged connector is for servicing purposes such as replacing the gas valve. I have worked on units that hard piped the whole way and it is a massive pain to work on. I have to pipe just to check the inlet screen.
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Thanks for this video but the question...whether this sediment trap requires maintenance/cleaning over the period? Who knows how must dust or particles trapped over there. May be if it is filled with dirt that means it will lose its purpose.
@love2hvac
3 жыл бұрын
I have never seen one clogged up even on units 30 years old that had never been opened. Anything is possible but its highly unlikely
@kaaaah2003
3 жыл бұрын
@@love2hvac very interesting, thanks sir
I had a new furnace installed and within a month the gas pipe that screws into the valve is completely rusted with a sulfur smell coming out through the rust but will not register on a gas sniffer. It stinks up my home. How is this possible to smell so much but is not detecting a gas leak?
@love2hvac
2 жыл бұрын
I would use some bubbles on in. Not just soap but the thick gas bubbles leak detector and see what happens. My concern is it corroding that fast. I would be looking at proper furnace grounding electrolysis. Also what other appliances or chemicals are in the room. May even need to look at what is leaching in from the earth.
hi there , my gas line is coming from bottom going up , any suggestions ? thanks
@love2hvac
11 ай бұрын
re-pipe it?
In Uniform Mechanical Code 2018, Section 1312.9 "Where a sediment trap is not incorporated as a part of the appliance, a sediment trap shall be installed downstream of the appliance, a sediment trap shall be installed downstream of the appliance shutoff valve as close to the inlet of the appliance as practical, but before the flex connector." I have installed sediment traps like you have in the video, but reading the code, is this technically wrong? "Before the flex connector" seems kind of vague and is confusing.
@love2hvac
11 ай бұрын
You are correct the updated code does want the sediment trap before the flex connector. I do not know the reason behind the change but they do not enforce the location here locally. Best practice is to always follow the code.
is there a code for the distance from the tee to the gas valve.???
@love2hvac
2 жыл бұрын
That's a great question. I dint know the answer. The tee should be as close to the unit as possible but I do not know what code is for that.
Can two appliances share a drip leg?
@love2hvac
2 жыл бұрын
That is a great question! I do not know the answer 😬 I have never thought about that before. I imagine that would come down to local code but I'm just not sure. If you find out please let me know!
Why not just put a bigger sediment trap on the main line?
Drip leg needs to be before flex
@love2hvac
Жыл бұрын
that's correct, changed in 2017 I think, not in all the local codes yet. it use to say as close to the appliance as possible.
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In Europe copper is the norm for gas piping. Maybe US gas is different?
@love2hvac
3 жыл бұрын
In central Florida there is a lot of copper as well but other places it is strictly forbidden. I want to travel threw the countries of Europe and make videos on the similarities and differences in the trade.
@plumbraider2265
3 жыл бұрын
@@love2hvac well if you’re ever in the Netherlands hit me up! I’m a service plumber there, im the Netherlands plumbers do heating and hvac guys only really do cooling, though it’s overlapping more and more as heatpumps are getting popular here and it’s us plumbers that install them. We’re actually called ‘installateurs’ (installers in english) and we do most everything related to water, ventilations and gas in homes. Only thing we can’t touch is cooling unless we get certified (which a lot do) and electrics outside of what we work on. A fun job really, you rarely get bored.
Customers…handle with kid gloves.
Avoid "woke" customers and you don't have to put so much effort into what you are saying.
@NeverEnoughPyro40
2 жыл бұрын
Customers like that are not worth the trouble! This guy is not living in the real world anyway, He is more of a inspector/teacher rather than a actual in the field contractor! First of all I can’t imagine a person getting offended because you used the word nipple, I guess those homeowners never fed their children with a baby bottle with a nipple! Also this guy is talking about staying clean, I guess he never had to do any service work in a crawlspace or attic when it’s 120° outside! And then he brings up the word pipe dope and says he doesn’t know why it is called that, I have two tubs of sealer in my garage that actually say pipe dope on the front! By the way I am not even an HVAC Tech, I am a Master Certified Auto Technician! And the last thing that bothered me was when he was demonstrating on how to tighten the pipe going to the gas valve, When he put the adjustable wrench on the gas valve it was facing the wrong way!
We're not children...stop treating us as such. Great information, but you keep belaboring the dual terminology.
@love2hvac
2 жыл бұрын
My channel is for HVAC education as I teach it in class. Experienced techs should already know all of this information. I would not expect an experienced tech to be watching this video. However the first version of this video was full of people who complained that I left out important details. I deleted that video and remade it including the details. It's just not possible to please everyone.