Just so you know, if I had repackaged an old product, increased the price & added no froth or hero feature, I wouldn't send it to you either 😂

This is the Campy Super Record of smart trainers.

@gplama

6 ай бұрын

That's..... a good comparison. 😅

@Currieinahurrycycles

6 ай бұрын

Oi leave us campy heads alone 😆

They're kidding themselves at that price point. There are better options with more features for significantly less money.

@gplama

6 ай бұрын

This is true.

@CycleXplorer

6 ай бұрын

Yeah that’s a joke 🤣

@mumblecake251

6 ай бұрын

You can get a Stages smart bike right now for only $500 more. If you'd otherwise invest into an extra frame to not risk wrecking your good outdoor frame this would even be cheaper. The price point of this is truely staggering.

@AndrewEbling

6 ай бұрын

@@mumblecake251 but that's a spin bike with a power meter. Not everyone's cup of tea.

@mumblecake251

6 ай бұрын

@@AndrewEbling no not everyone's cup of tea but it was more about the value proposition than anything else. Other "spin bikes with power meters" like the Tacx Neo smart bike, the Wattbike Atom and Wahoo kickr bike don't compare quite as favorably to the price tag of the new Tacx turbo but are probably still better value.

Zero reason to yeet my Neo2T for this, still running beautifully after 3+ years. That price point is insane in today’s market - looks like they can’t be banking on a large production run of these…

Garmin's PR dept needs to get a clue. You and Ray are the two de facto experts in this field. As for the price. Insert LOL here.

Weird that garmin doesn't think you are the best marketing for smart trainers. There isn't anywhere else I would learn about new smart trainers

@gplama

6 ай бұрын

There's a few of us who do solid reviews. Less now of us now when it comes to Garmin, I guess.

@PauloSerra

6 ай бұрын

maybe gplama is not biased enough comparing to other "reviewers" xD

@RideWithGerben

6 ай бұрын

Guess Tacx/Garming is scared of the Lama Trashing they rightfully will recieve for an outdated turbo with a Covid Price tag.

@GS-pk9rd

6 ай бұрын

Burned from the neo bike plus review? 😂

@voiceofreason9780

6 ай бұрын

@@RideWithGerben spot on.

That is great news actually! I was affraid I would have to spend money on the successor of my beloved 2T when a new one with tons of neat features comes out. But it seems I can spend that money somewhere else 👍

@UloPe

6 ай бұрын

Yep, same here. Seems like there is no reason at all to upgrade.

@huaiwei

6 ай бұрын

Exactly. Thank you Garmin for saving me money!

@TadeuszPiszel

6 ай бұрын

That's exactly right. I'm still very happy with my Neo2t but I need a second trainer. I just gave my money to Wahoo. I like my new Wi-Fi connected, 10Hz sampling and significantly cheaper Kickr Move.

Great information. Thank you. I’ve always been a Neo fan and you’ve nailed it with this. For the price this is underwhelming. You’re the one person I trust with this stuff.

Love the Varia radar come up on the clip at the end there

As someone who has ridden on Zwift since 2016 I am now very happy with my Kickr Core and don't currently see anything that would persuade me to replace it. I've tried out a few moving options in my time and none feel like riding outside - just give me a rock solid, reasonably priced unit inside thanks 🤷‍♂️

@dh7314

6 ай бұрын

I’m almost identical. Been on zwift since 2017. Started on a Kickr Snap then moved to a Kickr Core. I’ve covered 19,000 miles on Zwift and just don’t see how anything above Kickr Core is necessary or would really add anything.

@garysladek9110

6 ай бұрын

@@dh7314 Core to the core. Cheers!

Happy with my first neo ... Since 2018

Good luck selling this, Garmin. Why would you ever choose this over the Kickr Move? The Kickr has everything this has already built in and working at -€400 pricepoint. Plus long case derailleurs rub on the casing! Don’t know what the hell they were thinking releasing this.

You are the best reviewer of all these things without a doubt I want to thank you personally and professionally for all that you’ve helped me with and many many other people that I know this is ridiculous that they haven’t included you on that list and says something very very not good about themshame on them really keep up the good work you’re wonderful. As for this product I have the previous model and it’s wonderful. It’s a shame that they’re doing this with the price.

@gplama

5 ай бұрын

Thanks for the kind words. 🙏

Had a garmin tacx neo one, was happy with it but did the swipe to wahoo kickr and the climb. So happy with the changing to wahoo. Cycling on zwift feel so much more a life. Not going back to garmin and at that price point crazy

Done. like to see a full Lama Lab Test review of the NEO M3. Groetjes uit koud Nederland

My OG Neo is still going strong no need to update, even bought replacement bearing kit for it but the original bearings are still fine.

@dannb0dge

6 ай бұрын

Exactly this. What does this actually do over the Neo OG (apart from the gimmicky slidy feet)

@markokompic7617

6 ай бұрын

@@dannb0dgeI also have OG, but I added rocker plates, they are compatible

@derekjirwin

6 ай бұрын

I did too, expensive but worth it. I also bought a Kickr Climb this week and I’m using it with the Neo Manually. It’s brilliant!! Garmin have missed a opportunity here.

The thing that could make me upgrade my 1st generation Neo to a newer version would be Kickr Climb (or its competitors) compatibility, or at least "can be made to work with them". Maybe that rocker plate basically means the bike can rotate around the trainer, but I won't base a $2000 purchase on a guess that it might work. And even if it works with the climb things that's a BIG price tag. Which means I'll probably stick to my old Neo for the time being even if the new one works with climb. And of course I won't buy a trainer that doesn't get a thumbs up from you!

Very nice review. That dongle is a bummer. Thanks for the detailed explanation. And I will act on your call as requested. Come on Garmin.

I'm a very happy owner of a Neo 2T but if I need to replace my unit I might go for the Elite Justo who is silent, power-independant like the Neo but cost less than half the price of the 3M

Got a Neo 2T for my wife at a time where Garmin had a campaign that gave you free motion plates, it's excellent and I don't see us changing that any time soon. The price for this one is just insane.

with a name like 3M, I was thinking that it would be 3000 watts. 3M plumbing fittings are rated for 3000 PSI

Ordered a Kickr V6 which arrives tomorrow, and have no regrets even with this announcement. (It also helps that I got a steal of a deal at $90USD).

Pass. After my Neo1 burnt up after 4mo i returned it and went Kickr...and havent looked back. -U10

Merci Shane, je reste sur le néo 2t (j'hésitais avec le 3M)mais vu la différence entre les deux je reste sur mon premier choix... 👍😉

Love my 2T, especially when my LBS was able to replace a failed unit when it was out of warranty. But this new price for not much more real functionality is bonkers. Maybe a refurb unit when my current one does.

Still using my original Neo, had it 4-5 years. They do last well.

I'm starting to realize that I have become part of the old timers... still using the original Tacx Neo daily - is like when you start cycling and meet people still riding downtube shifters with no problems.

@OttoDestruct

6 ай бұрын

Right in the feels. The older I get, the less and less I want to spend on "new". My current bike and trainer work fine. Maybe I'll be "that old fart" 10, 20 years from now who's still using (eww) "mechanical shifters!" LOL

A Tacx Neo 2T with a handle!!! Yeah, they listened to you Shane and added a handle.....

I am on it GPLama!

I still have their first Neo ' never had an issue...

A lot of people like me would never buy a trainer until it passed the Lama test. Garmin should know that by now.

2000 dollars, seriously. Well, good luck to them

Very odd the only 2 issues they had with the Tacx Neo 2 do not seem to be fixed. The biggest issue with the 2 is the fact if you have 12 speed you need to remove the Hub and add spacers behind it to get it to allow enough space for the 12 speed derailluer to move, and even then you need to true your gears to make it work. The second is the clearance issues, with disc brake bikes they nearly rub on the non drive side, or sometimes do rub, yet no mention of added space. Very weird to wait this long, not have Wifi built in, and to waste time with a gimmick built in motion plate. Disappointing.

@gplama

6 ай бұрын

The clearance issues with some discs (and their spacer hack) was horrible. It's something I would have looked into if I had a unit to review.

@KdM_BigRingBubba

6 ай бұрын

@@gplama+1 to the clearance issue being a joke. I had that problem with my Canyon Endurace and the official recommendation I got (after trying the spacers) was to unbolt my brake caliper. The rubbing was largely cosmetic on the part of the trainer and didn't affect my brake alignment, so I just left it.

@paulw677

6 ай бұрын

I recently upgraded bike to 12 speed. I simply changed the cassette on the Neo 2 from 11 to 12 spd (Shimano 105). No additional spacers - am I missing something. Seems to work fine. Granted I’m using Erg mode so not shifting

@TadeuszPiszel

6 ай бұрын

It might be different on different bikes but I had to do exactly what's mentioned above to get my SRAM Force and Red bikes to work on the Neo2T. Spacer for the XDR free hub and increased Non-drive side axle spacer to shift the brake caliper away from the plastic housing. No modifications needed for my Shimano 105 Zwift bike.

Great news! Now I can expect even more money for my good old NEO OG, that I will put up to sale next week, as the new Wahoo KICKR Bike Shift arrives.

@chrisbayliss3532

6 ай бұрын

I’m in exactly in the same position as you ! We’ll not bought the shift quite yet 😊

@chrisbayliss3532

6 ай бұрын

How much will you look for your OG Neo then? Need a guide price for when I sell Mine .

Call to action … actioned 👍

Going on retail price rather than SRP you can get 3 top of the line Elite trainers for this (which won't be discounted soon).

From the updates on this new unit vs the 2t, it seems as if the motor unit is still the same as for the older Neo 2t. For those with a powerful sprint, a word of caution about the NEO 2t and potentially 3M: it cannot handle sprints over ~1300 watts, contradicting the advertised 2200 watt capability. I've used a Neo 2t for years and found that it often starts to slip and eventually locks up around 1300 watts (no matter the flywheel speed and on the latest firmware). My experience, supported by others online, questions its maximum power claims. I even replaced a unit early on that couldn't handle 1000 watts. I love my Neo 2t in all other aspects and it is great for everything but sprinting, however accurate power specifications are a must at this price point. It would be great to see a review also starring someone punchy who can consistently sprint well over 1200 watts on this new unit to verify whether Tacx and Garmin are still wildly exaggerating the (2200w) sprinting capabilities.

@rickorwig986

6 ай бұрын

I don’t know if I should be ecstatic that I have no trouble with my 2T during sprints or sad that I can get nowhere even close to 1200 watts during a sprint. 😂

Garmin have been notified!

i'll be sticking with my new kikr core for a long time hope it holds up but i only use it for winter time

Well, we need to buy a test unit at some point, if you'd like to um "host" it lmk. We are kind of running out of space to store trainers around here anyhow heh

Crazy!!!

First! So this is the same level as the v5 kickr that needs a dongle for Gen2 features? Garmin/Tacx have been asleep at the wheel since the merger. Really not good, and yes I will be tagging Garmin PR. 😀

The Tacx trainers is the ones that I see being moved for the highest amount of dollars so they are probably the trainer group that needed to least the least amount of changes. Added motion plats is nice. Pre-installed cassette is, like you said, iffy because it assumes a 99% market share of Shimano 11-speed cassettes which doesn't ring true. The existing trainer already has quite a batch of features that aren't present on other trainers like downhill simulation, working without power, portability, high gradient/watt outputs etc. So I don't know what else they could've provided with an updated trainer unit. But looking at the updated prices, how is this thing worth double the cost as the 2T? That is like the price of a Kickr and the climb simulator combined. The price point of 900 USD for the 2T is looking like a mighty fine deal right now. I'm disappointed and keen to see if they release an updated Tacx NEO bike since it the bulk of the unit is just a Tacx trainer with the other parts of it being not-so nice to use like the bulky shifter hoods and shifter. That is what most needed an updated refresh in their lineup, not the Flux or Tacx trainers.

@glennoc8585

6 ай бұрын

My Tacx flux 2 is going along just fine still and if I didn't have it I'd be going back to jetblack

with those specs and this price point... they're dreaming. They want to be the iPhone of indoor trainers commanding prices unheard of. They'll be hearing from their accounting department... Elite Justo for the win!

@happyharry7331

6 ай бұрын

And the usually garmin kick charging extra for the dongle 🙄

To be an option it would need to: have improved caliper clearence, imoroved clearence for modern long derailleurs, fix for the failed capacitor circuit board issue which seems to be worse on the 2t. Accuracy is good, reliability is everything, particularly at that price there should be no compromises.

No mention of improved clearance for disc calipers, or are people still going to have to slip in a spacer to fit?

@gplama

6 ай бұрын

Nothing in the last-minute-press-pack I'm holding about that issue. Good qustion though.

"3M" is that a registered trademark? Perhaps they should rename it the Tacx Neo Chevron?😉

imho...really happy to have replaced my Garmin Tacx NEO 2 with a Wahoo product. The Tacx NEO 2 had the linearity issue (being 20 Watts off, which is a lot for a medio level rider) plus one bearing completely cracked one day. Garmin support just ignored me. You should never expect any firmware updates from this company on products more than one year old. To quote one of their employees: "There's a newer version of that product, maybe that will fix your problem". They have totally killed the TACX brand. With that price tag on this new trainer...it's a joke

Will tag - but no chevrons - just to b sure :)

Now we know why they are selling the T2 for $899 US… I think they are too high with this model given what this one provides…and the current competition. I bought the kicker move and now I can set my eyes on the climb for nearly what this costs ( had a $200 old trainer trade in discount on the kicker move). The 25 year old magnet trainer was ready for the dumpster and trade was a no brainer.

Hey Shane, I really like your reviews and I have a request. Can you add a maintenance section to your reviews? Many smart trainers fail after a few years of use due to broken bearings and some models require specialty tools to replace them. Sometimes, these tools aren't even available. The Tacx Neo 2T is a good example, as initially it was impossible to extract the bearings due to a proprietary locking mechanism. I feel it's part of the package to be able to replace these wearable parts. I have no problem buying extra tools or spare parts for a reasonable price, but they have to be readily available for at least 5 years after launch in my opinion. I'm looking for a quality new trainer that can last many years even with a lot of riding. The Kickr V5 I have is a disappointment in this regard, as it is super difficult to remove the aluminum pulley wheel and I cannot buy a replacement if it breaks during my repair. Without removing it, I cannot change the bearings.

@gplama

4 ай бұрын

I don't think a lot of manufacturers know what's going to break after a few years. Their maintenance procedures are usually published/known 12 months+ after release, if at all. NEO/NEO2/2T case-in-point with the bearings kits and bearing extractor tools they started selling on their own website years after the NEO range was released. Knowing what parts are user serviceable/replaceable would be beneficial. Again, not a lot of manufacturers will disclose this. I'll keep it in mind.

The only question i have did they faced the issue with their bearings on their flywheel?

Done!!

On a plus point for Garmin …. I’m on my second warranty replacement Neo2T. First one had mechanical issues like the magnets were rubbing the disc plate. 18 months later its warranty replacement blew its PCB. Both were replaced seamlessly by Garmin in a warranty service. So £1700 it might be (in GBP) but at least it’s got back up if the 2T is anything to go by…. But this just seems like a 2T with a base plate to me so not sure it’s worth the outlay

@randyphinney7275

6 ай бұрын

They're not that great and tried to weasel out when mine died by claiming without even asking that I was using it on a rocker plate so the warranty was void.

I still love my Neo first edition, no reason to sell my bike for 3M ;)

To sum it up, Old fashion Tacx product with crazy Garmin price tag

I still have a first gen Kikr going strong after more than 50,000 K. Haven't even needed to change a belt. It's noisy, but that's really my only complaint. Can't imagine spending almost $3K CAD for a trainer with a few extra features.

But what's that thing on the front, hiding in the shadows? TACX's version of the climb?

Owning an Neo2T I would never ever spend €2000 for this! 11000km on this device! When it should be replaced definitely not with an 3M

In NZ, while all media channels were advising no price increase from neo 2 to neo 2t, the local distributor decided plus $500 was in order. Hate to think how much this will be in NZ when the 2T asking price is $2999 (just realised another cheeky $100 price increase has snuck in). The Western bike industry is eating itself with its own greed.

Have the taco neo OG and there is not much here that is a compelling reason to change given I could buy the motion plates. So the only feature I guess I am missing is ability to direct connect and any potential firmware new functionality.plus maybe a little bit less “slip” in rare occasions. Think I will wait for Neo 4!

@gplama

6 ай бұрын

You'll be waiting a while for the NEO 4 at their current release rate! Interestingly enough, and something I didn't get into in this video. Tacx promised enhanced functionality of the NEO 2 with it's onboard storage. Nothing ever came of it. It was quietly forgotten about. All hype, no delivery. Hmmmm..

I am new in the smart trainer game and have currently a Kickr Core for 500€ and a Neo 2 for 800€ at home. I really can’t decide which one to keep, I don’t feel a huge difference between them but I feel like I’m missing something. Is there there any big advantage of the Neo 2 I just don’t feel yet? Great video btw, that price is just out of this world though

@garysladek9110

6 ай бұрын

Keep both , one is bound to go wonky eventually. Trust me on this . I now have three smart trainers.

Disappointed, Garmin has probably increase the price because of the warranty cost of previous Neo (well known and documented over heat problems). Thanks for the update.

Don't worry, Shane, I don't even get their emails. 🤣

Haha this year I upgraded from the neo 2 with motion plates to a plain kickr v6. I can’t say I’m a fan of motion plates in trainers as a feature worth the cash. Also I mostly use TrainerRoad because Zwift hates tall people

Tweet sent…👍

Unrelated to Neo 3M, is there a video re the Strava-Garmin Edge segment problem? All I've seen are statements that it is a "known" problem. Strava has issued a work around that is very cumbersome.

@gplama

6 ай бұрын

No idea. I’m not likely going to be doing any digging/diagnosing for Garmin any time soon either.

For such a long wait on release I really thought they could have done a lot better than that. Seems dissapointing having owned 2 neo's that this has been such a wait for yet nothing actually jumps out and makes you want to buy it.

Did they fix the compatibility issues with bikes equipped with disc brakes? The rim-brake bike in the marketing material makes me wonder.

@gplama

6 ай бұрын

Looking a the spacers and shims provided, I suspect not.

meh... I saved a lot of money and recently picked up 2 almost unused Neo 1 trainers... what did I give up? some wifi stuff and a carry handle? and I suppose a warranty... for about $450 value (I traded some stuff so no cash outlay) for that price difference I'll ride the old ones... although that carry handle does look like a nice feature.

Send the message to Garmin that they send you a trainer for the lamba lab test.. fingers crossed

You may be able to instant-asset-write-off (up to $20k for this FY) if you purchase one as a business asset purchase.

That's crazy that they didn't send you a unit. I'm sure it's going to be a great unit knowing how good the neo 2t is so I highly doubt they'd be scared of a fair review.

@gplama

6 ай бұрын

AU$3399 here with the Ethernet/WiFi dongle being another (estimated) AU$200. It could simply a case of import taxes to send one being too high. (But I have a suspicion it's a bit deeper than this....)

Mad money

I think the other area where this is out of date at launch is with the Zwift cog device… that may be a much lower spec trainer but knowing I could drop any of the bikes in my household onto it makes it way more appealing than this. I say this as someone who has done thousands of kilometres on a Neo mk 1 without issue who is looking to change their current setup. I’m torn between the Zwift offering or busting the bank with a Kickr Bike!

@MattSwain1

6 ай бұрын

Tagged you Shane on Threads as requested 👍 I signed up on Threads on day 1 and that’s my first post 😂

I'm sure barely used 2T, Kickr v5 v6 can be had for under a thousand after covid.

I somewhat get that r&d probably is costly, but at this point it doesnt offer enough to justify a price tag of 2k. Other than the motion plates i don't see why its that much more expensive over a kickr core or sth like that. i really dont care about surface simulation and such, also who needs 2200w peak? the 1% of the 1%?

One thing about smart trainers is that once you have one, I don't really see what would convince you to upgrade? I have the Wahoo Kickr, the only thing that I would like is virtual shifting in the way that Zwift has on their trainer. Unless mine breaks down, I don't see why I would ever upgrade, unlike a bike or a phone for example?

@oldtwinsna8347

6 ай бұрын

When they break? I had a Kickr core completely seize on itself.

Shane, on a totally different tangent: for steady state zone 2 riding which has the best feel: Kickr Rollr or Feedback omnium?

@gplama

6 ай бұрын

That's an interesting question. I see them as serving two different purposes. The Omnium is an amazingly portable/compact unit. Great for travel/race warm-ups. The Rollr on the other hand comes in a HUGE box. Almost the size of a Kickr BIKE box. Size aside, I'll go with the Kickr Rollr as having a better ride feel as it has a flywheel (and a lot more smarts).

@thedownunderverse

6 ай бұрын

@@gplama Thanks Lama - the challenge is cutting through the gaff (which seems to be miss-represented in places) as to what features are available on the Rollr *without* a power meter. If (like me) one has decided not to “train” with power anymore, but still wants to throw the bike on a trainer quickly and interact with Zwift courses on a rainy or sweltering day (like changing resistance on hills), will the Rollr actually do this? Or does it basically become a very expensive Omnium? Appreciate all you do 🇦🇺

@gplama

6 ай бұрын

Oh yes... that.... The day I saw the press releases come in that the Rollr no longer needed a power meter I jumped straight on it to test this. Whatever was posted in the media was misleading. In a BIG way. I have a massive list of tests/results I've performed that resulted in me getting extremely frustrated. In short, the RGT would estimate power from the Rollr when paired via BLE and supported SIM mode with that. That's it. It was very much like a basic speed/power curve from a dumb trainer, but limited ONLY to RGT and ONLY using BLE. Zwift have a basic implementation but it's non-interactive (No SIM or ERG). So you're on the money - it's an expensive Omnium without a power meter on your bike.

@thedownunderverse

6 ай бұрын

@@gplama massive (seemingly deliberate) missed opportunity there. Being able to ride an interactive Zwift course on a Rollr without a power meter would be a killer feature. And the limitation is purely software, the hardware building blocks are all there. Oh well, feedback gets my money and wahoo doesn’t. Bonus: omnium is cheaper, more portable and usable without electricity.

Another similarity is that this you need to move the brake caliper so the bike could fit ? Like on 2T ? Like I commented on other review videos ... Tacks engineers don't own bikes . They have no ideea what are designing....and for whom ...

@gplama

5 ай бұрын

All things I could answer if Garmin would have kept me on their ‘preferred reviewer’ list.

On the Garmin 3M spec page, there's a spec: "TRAIN ON SIMULATED INCLINES UP TO A 25% GRADIENT". What exactly does this mean? Can I use a Wahoo or Elite climber on the front wheel? If they don't have an hill climbing incline option, then the price is absolutely ridiculous.

@GS-pk9rd

6 ай бұрын

The resistance can increase to simulate a 25% grade e.g on zwift etc

Done Shane... WTF are Garmin thinking

@gplama if You will test the 3M, if possible pls do single leg drills (left leg only, 2 legs, right legs 1-1-1min for example) and left and right dominant pedaling on purpose to show how accurate or inaccurate the Neo's (or any trainer or spider-based powermeter) balance "measurement" comparing to an Assioma Duo (or Rally 200). Thx! ;)

@gplama

6 ай бұрын

Noted. However I don’t think I’ll get the opportunity.

@andraslukoviczki519

6 ай бұрын

​@@gplama hope dies last! or a rich friend of You will lend it for testing! ;)

They may be salty because of your Last Neo bike review 🤷

@gplama

6 ай бұрын

Maybe. They did address the concerns I raised with a follow up firmware. So that review was justified.

Any update if you are getting one to test?

@gplama

6 ай бұрын

Not at this point.

it's an simple answer to the "why?": because they can't effort an honest review to a 2k dollars smart trainer. It is more than double the price to the previous model (compared to discounted 2T euro prices before the release) and has not a single feature which justify that price.

@gplama

6 ай бұрын

There’s other honest reviews out there. Ray drops a few nuggets on it.

Why would they put an 11sp cassette on it!!? Assume it’s compatible with 12sp right?

@gplama

6 ай бұрын

The freehub will be compatible with Shimano HG cassettes. That includes their new 12spd road option (that’s backwards compatible).

It makes sense not to have a GPL or DCR test. None of the following: pesky power meter accuracy comparisons, ride feel comparisons, sprint comparisons, durability tests, value for money conclusion after the tests. Garmin - stay in your bubble, get no constructive feedback and your boss at Garmin/ shareholders won’t get upset (until sales evaporate)

@Tanguero1

6 ай бұрын

Not sure what you are getting at with your comment. Both DCR and Desfit did a review of the unit and gave it high marks from a technical. They did question the price point.

Hope Neo 2T still will be available - Way too high price

What did they actually update on this thing? Seems like they didn't pivot enough and double-down hard.

@gplama

6 ай бұрын

By all means it may have been a compete internal redesign, with very similar specs.

This is little bit like for example with iPhones. If old one work well then there isn't any reason to buy the new one. Nothing revolutionary yet what gives a wow feeling. Good info.

Have messaged Garmin. Not sure what they are thinking not sending you a unit to review 🤯

@gplama

6 ай бұрын

Thanks Peter. I appreciate the support. They've told me overnight they've "reevaluated who they work with" (as I suspected) but would be happy to provide me with more images of the NEO 3M if I like. 🫠

@peterford7805

6 ай бұрын

@@gplama Very strange stance from them. Surely they should recognise that your channel provides one of the premium sources of independent reviews for their line of products, not to mention the highly targeted advertising they would receive? I for one would not consider parting with this much cash for a trainer that’s not reviewed/approved by your channel especially considering the alternatives on the market that you have reviewed already.

And to think I picked up my Jet Black Volt with 10Hz, auto calibrate etc- new for £209 in the summer (hurry up with the virtual shifting JB!) and a couple of months later a new Saris MP1 Infinity Platform for £149.... For Garmin/Tacx to have their own version of "Direct Connect" (ie more cables, hardware that needs taped or fixed down to prevent being damaged) released now is pretty crap... They're bringing nothing new or decent to the table with this damp squib of a release!!! (except a massive price!)

Should have been named Neo2.1. Nothing that would make me pick that over a Wahoo V6

They saw bike brands sponsoring all the "reviews" and realised they could be doing that too

Garmin may be unsecured at having their T3 model tested in Lama Lab. Not a very good sign of confidence for potential customers which I am not part of since my Kicker Pro is giving me everything I need. I have replaced bearing twice and cassette once, it’s still going strong.

Dear Garmin: I don't need a $3000 trainer. What I do need is a Varia mount that doesn't flop around or rub my legs.

@gplama

6 ай бұрын

AU$3,399 (without the wireless dongle). And check Amazon for cheap third party Varia mounts. I'll cover the saddle rail options I'm using soon. They're brilliant.

They are probably excluding you because you're honest on their equipment which Garmin won't like.

@gplama

6 ай бұрын

To be honest, a lot of their more recent releases haven't been ready. Neo Bike Plus from 12 months ago was a good example. They did address a few issues later on in firmware.... so.... the review feedback was right. Entirely their call who to choose to review units. It's just disappointed I'm back to the basic press pack level of reviewing for Garmin given my extensive and friendly history with Tacx.

A wise man once said: "...tell him he's dreamin'!" edit: apologies I've finished your vid now, that comment is in regards to price

2k for what exactly? I can get the same from kickr move for $400 less... what am I missing/?

@troycollett8540

6 ай бұрын

Built in motion plate

@gplama

6 ай бұрын

The Kickr Move has forward/back, and side to side with the AXIS feet.

@troycollett8540

6 ай бұрын

@@gplama I’m surprised the new neo doesn’t have more features or they haven’t gone either the flux route as you suggested or even developed a new trainer