May I just say, I am never disappointed in your reading of the actual text. You read clearly, with no stumbling and with great expressiveness. This helps those who do not read Tolkien to really get an idea of how beautiful his writing was, and to really encourage the connections to be made from book to movie “and back again”.

@ThePhilosophersGames

3 жыл бұрын

haha thank you. Sometimes a lot of tries go into reading those passages. I try to not make it sound boring within my possibilities and "deliver" to some degree. So happy you hear you enjoy that. Yes agreed Tolkien's writing is really beautiful and often I notice that I can't express it better, so I just read the quote. Other times I feel, that I should provide the source for what i just said. This way I can bring people closer to the books. Always happy to hear when people leave a comment, that they started reading the books ^^

i will wait forever for these videos! thank you for making such a comprehensive video series!

@ThePhilosophersGames

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you too again! I hope you enjoyed this episode ^^

@Skelstoolbox

3 жыл бұрын

Gandalf's biggest mistake: Blocking in theatre... No worries about the dark lord you're sent to defeat..

about the smoking, you could argue that because hobbits are so used to the pipe and its smokes, him there could give frodo that familiarity. its not like he is blowing smoke directly at frodo, but by having the smoke in the room, would make him feel more at ease.

@ryannicolai7372

3 жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same thing. A smoking pipe is about as Hobbitish as you can get.

@ThePhilosophersGames

3 жыл бұрын

haha yes true :D But deep in my heart it still fells wrong. I think in the 70 you were allowed to smoke in hospitals too in some places. I really hate the smell of it, eventhough the pipe is far less "obnoxious" than a cigarette in that regard. (I think I wrote a very similar comment already ^^)

@marcosdheleno

3 жыл бұрын

@@ThePhilosophersGames it might also be that he just didnt think about anything, and just light his pipe because he was bored... it is gandalf we are talking about.

@mattwroe4776

3 жыл бұрын

I just don't see it being an issue, only in recent years have people went mad about second hand smoke, but it only effects you in confined spaces like a car when it's done for prelonged periods. I'm not justifying it and I wouldn't smoke with my daughter in b the car but you breath in much worse in the city on a daily basis.

@cally77777

3 жыл бұрын

Tolkien himself also smoked a pipe, I seem to remember seeing a picture of him with it. Back in the days when he was devising this tale, I'm sure few people imagined that smoking, let alone secondary smoking, was as harmful as we now know. My grandad used to, he wouldn't have dreamed that it might harm me!

I certainly dont mind the videos being longer. This one made me chuckle; all that info, and Frodo barely got out of bed, lol.

@ThePhilosophersGames

3 жыл бұрын

haha yes, I think the series lives from its love to details, so sometimes we won't move much around, esp. in Rivendell. I know people really enjoy the long videos, but they are tough to make and take a ton of discipline. For me personally videos that are a bit shorter, are much more pleasant to make and I can upload more often. This one also got relatively long, even though it ends relatively suddenly, but ofc I could have continued ^^ It's often a matter of being intimidated by the a mount of work the very long videos take and then it's hard to motivate myself to start + long times without uploads are sadly also not ideal for growing a KZread channel, which pressures me a bit into working more, to finish them faster.

I imagine Gollum’s mind was perhaps hard to untangle. It must have been very damaged by years of isolation, bitterness and resentment, and finally torment in the dungeons of Sauron. The emergence of the Sméagol personality speaks to the healing he experienced in the kindness and forgiveness of Frodo.

@mevb

Жыл бұрын

Not to mention the corruption of The Ring.

Wooooooohoooooooo! Thanks for this Chris! Hope you and everyone here is well!

@ThePhilosophersGames

3 жыл бұрын

Yes doing well ^^ I hope you too? Enjoy the video :)

@hrperformance

3 жыл бұрын

@@ThePhilosophersGames very well thanks mate :) Very glad the channel is going from strength to strength. Long may it continue!

We look at the chapter Many Meetings and discuss a bit what went wrong on the way to Rivendell and Gandalf's biggest mistake. Also can Gandalf read the mind of others? Plus some other topics. I hope you enjoy it. ► Artwork and special thanks to (check their channels out): ➥ Kimberly80 - www.deviantart.com/kimberly80 ➥ Laura Tolton - www.deviantart.com/lauratolton ➥ BeneF - www.deviantart.com/benef ► Social Media: ➥Twitter (@PhilosophGames): twitter.com/philosophgames ➥Twitch Channel - twitch.tv/thephilosophersgames ➥Discord Server - discord.gg/SPW68vh

For whatever is worth, just wanted to let you know that the regular reruns of your videos have helped find inner peace and resilience in these uncertain times. Thanks for the detail oriented work. One can tell these videos come from a deep place of respect and appreciation for the works you cover. To add a little to the conversation, I believe the reason why Sir McKellen insisted on smoking was because it is part of what made Gandalf a great character. It seems to me that pipeweed helped Gandalf both think and relax. It makes sense that he'd smoke a bit while concerned about Frodo's wound and his recovery. From an even more skewed and subjective perspective, I like to think that Gandalf was also paying tribute to hobbit culture; this small detail helps bring him closer to men. Gandalf is a great wise man, but like other man, is greatly concerned about his friend's well-being.

It's funny, there is no sex in Lord of the Rings and there is no smoking in Game of Thrones. And there is no boredom when watching this channel. Can't wait for your take on Journey in the Dark and Bridge of Khazad Dum!

@Dinoguy555

3 жыл бұрын

@Stetson Valentino I shall check it out!

I’m glad that a new video is out! This series will take a long time but will be worth it. I was so inspired by your videos that I’m going to host a lecture on Tolkien at my job next month!

Gandalf's line: "There are many powers in this world, for good or ill. Against some I have not been tested." is said after the Fellowship leaves Caradras and just before getting to The Door of Durin, foreshadowing his confrontation with the Balrog and his seperation from The Fellowship (or as both readers and audience think that Gandalf have died until we see him in The Two Towers as Gandalf the White, though he DID die but was resurrected by Eru Illuvatar in order to complete his mission). This bit was only in the Extended Edition.

I always enjoy your deep dives. I love the stories, and have learned the deeper lore thanks to you. Well done.

Concerning Rivendell in film, I wonder how it could have served as the fortress against Angmar and other bad forces? There is nothing fortressiish on the place.

@reneedailey1696

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe between the power of Vilya, and the general inaccessibility, the filmmakes decided they didn't need to fortify it in a noticeable way?

@rosiehawtrey

3 жыл бұрын

Elves with recurve longbows and that clint & grike entryway? You'd have trouble getting past with a squad armed with H&K G11. If there are other ways in I'd be surprised there aren't other fortifications - they don't have to be obvious.

in the hobbit-an unexspected journey, gandalf and galadriel does speak telepathely with each other during the white council of elrond.

@ThePhilosophersGames

3 жыл бұрын

Yes that would be another example, but it's only in the film and looks a bit Galadriel/Gandalf exclusive.

@reneedailey1696

3 жыл бұрын

Galadriel was able to speak mentally to each member of the Fellowship, ajd she was "just" a High Elf who'd seen the light of the trees; I think Gandalf could definitely match her skill if not exceed it. Maybe not to the extent he could if allowed his full power, but prodigious nonetheless.

I love your videos. Keep up the good work. I also LOVED the previous video on the light of aman / invisibility!!

@ThePhilosophersGames

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you, always nice to hear that people enjoy them :) Yes the video about the Unseen is one I'm also very happy with. It was tough to make though. So much appreciated :)

Thank you again. Your explanation of aspects of the art of movie making here was especially illuminating.and shows us how many story elements can be presented in these less obvious (certainly to me!!) ways.

Thank you for the good content man! Love your work, its light in a world so dark...

@ThePhilosophersGames

3 жыл бұрын

No problem, happy you enjoy my videos and that it helps you through difficult times :) I feel blessed being able to do this and see so much positivity and also success! I know others might not have the same fortunate situation right now. All the best to you!

These videos are absolutely priceless!! So glad to have another one! Thanks a million!

@ThePhilosophersGames

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you too, much appreciated ^^ It sadly takes a lot of time to make them 😅

Awesome. Gandalf is certainly more fallible in the books, at least until he becomes Gandalf the White. Keep in mind that Tolkien had not connected Gandalf with the Maia yet at the time of writing LotR. That would come later. It is also because of this that in the book Gandalf doesn't know there is a balrog in Moria, which doesn't really make any sense once you know Gandalf's full history. Jackson corrected this in the movie by having Aragorn be the one who didn't know while Gandalf clearly did.

Thx for the content. BtW smoking was allow indoors hospital till within '70-80 depending, early '90 on airlines (Canada) so my guest Tolkien drag a pipe wherever he went & go, perhaps! Healthy air wasn't that much of concern back then. Thats how things were.

@ThePhilosophersGames

3 жыл бұрын

I thought about that too and I also know that smoking in planes was a thing. I have seen it myself in the 90s in planes, but a short google gave me inconclusive answers when it comes to hospitals, so I did not include it (maybe it's different from country to country, but there was 100% a time where people smoked in hospitals). I should have asked my parents, but I forgot about it again 😅

@DonMeaker

3 жыл бұрын

@@ThePhilosophersGames I was in Ireland in the 1970s, and smoking in theatres was very common, as was smoking in The Eagle and Child" apparently Tolkien's favorite pub at Oxenford.

@Ryansghost

3 жыл бұрын

When I started working in hospitals in the early 80s patients on 'bedrest' had an ashtray on their bedside locker.! I myself, on a busy day as a smoker, between rounds, would run to the patients dayroom for a 'quick drag'. Happy times.

Great video! I really enjoy these and always learn something new

@ThePhilosophersGames

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you, happy you enjoyed it and that it offered something new to discover for you ^^ I also pretty much always learn something new (or discover a detail I have not seen before), when I do the research for a video. It's really impressive.

@grantaum9677

3 жыл бұрын

@@ThePhilosophersGames wow! A testament to the depth of his creation 😊

Nice video. First time I watch your channel.

@ThePhilosophersGames

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you, happy you enjoyed the video :)

Very excited! Ive been on a week-long stint of watching your videos and caught up on this series just in time for my first notification from you :)

@ThePhilosophersGames

3 жыл бұрын

Oh wow, happy you enjoy my content so much, that you watched all of it ^^ Sadly I can't make videos as fast, as people can watch them 😅 Thank you for the support!

@baileecuthbert

3 жыл бұрын

@@ThePhilosophersGames Actually I've accidentally watched through, like, 90% of your lore content and I'm not quite sure what to do with myself now 😅 I probably should have slowed down hahaha. Good work 😊

@ThePhilosophersGames

3 жыл бұрын

haha "happy little accidents" as Bob Ross would say. I guess you have to wait for the next lore video on my channel 😅

I'm loving this series and learning a lot. Keep them coming!

@ThePhilosophersGames

3 жыл бұрын

I'll try ^^ Happy that I can share my knowledge :) Thank you!

Ian McKellen begged Peter Jackson to keep the line from the book: "You are in the House of Elrond. It's 10 O Clock in the morning, on October 24:th if you must know." and that Gandalf would smoke in Frodo's bedroom when he wakes up after passing out from the effect of The Morgûl blade.

I missed your content! Ich hab das soooo vermisst....Danke!

Um 4 aufstehen zur Arbeit? Upload von Chris? Ach ein Video geht noch :) LG

@ThePhilosophersGames

3 жыл бұрын

Sorry 😅 I hope you are not too tired =/

@shinuizabusa2180

3 жыл бұрын

@@ThePhilosophersGames Nah it´s all fine :)

Sauron: "haven't laughed so hard since Gandalf and Balrog went on date and Gandalf stuck Balrog with restaurant bill..." LOTR Secret Diaries.

@rosiehawtrey

3 жыл бұрын

"Aragorn... The "still not king" guy, right?". And if I ever run a temp agency it'll be called "ninety minute minions". You should look up the "in 15 minutes" series - Troy is fantastic. Our Lady of Soundtrack Sorrow.

i finally got the notification for this video :D wonderful video btw :)

@ThePhilosophersGames

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you, happy you liked it. Yes YT notifications can be messy at times.

And Happy Hobbit Day to all! It's September 22!🎊🎉

@ThePhilosophersGames

3 жыл бұрын

haha thank you. Yes didin't upload for some time, but try be more frequent. Happy Hobbit day to you too!

Was a bit confused by the title, thought you were saying that Gandalf's greatest mistake was telepathy, lol! Indeed reading people's minds could be a bit of a two-edged sword! But I was impressed by this video's thoughtfulness. From a lore pov, Gandalf's failure to anticipate the Nazgul's move is explained fairly well, but i would add that from a storytelling pov its necessary for drama. The first encounter with the Nazgul, flight to the ford, Weathertop, and final chase with Glorfindel/Arwen are the heart of the tale in the first part of Fellowship. All of which wouldn't have happened if Frodo had simply toddled off to Rivendale unopposed a month or so earlier! They're also some of the most memorable scenes in fantasy literature and cinema. Oh just to add, the analysis of camera angles and fades was absolutely fascinating!

@ThePhilosophersGames

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you much appreciated :) Yes I was also quite happy how this episode turned out, but when is tarted writing I thought it would turn out very different (I thought we would at least leave the bed ^^), but thinking about the material and focussing a bit on film making art changed this a bit ^^ You are ofc right, there is also a dramaturgic reason.

@jo-annacrowner3791

3 жыл бұрын

It's also very important in my mind I think that the hobbits left the Shire on their own. there was no Strider, there was no Gandalf, there is no elves. They also return to the Shire at the End by themselves, again no Strider no Gandalf no elves

@NinaNiterose86

Жыл бұрын

For about 10 minutes I thought Gandalf's biggest mistake was smoking next to Frodo. XD

Watch the appendices on the the extended versions and you will be amazed at the level of details they put into "everything" to add to the realism for the audience, but also for the actors to be completely immersed in the roles.

@ThePhilosophersGames

3 жыл бұрын

Yes I watched those too, it's really impressive, what they did and it's a big part of the magic.

YAAY... ITS BACK ON! Also the statue is possibly Elwing, Elronds mother... The Seagull lady.

@ThePhilosophersGames

3 жыл бұрын

Yes that's a really good theory too. Why did I not think of it? ^^

@Ryansghost

3 жыл бұрын

@@ThePhilosophersGames I like how her and Earendil end-up with the only remaining silmaril... after all the death and betrayal.

@ThePhilosophersGames

3 жыл бұрын

Yes agreed, that is really an outcome that feels very special after all that has happened.

@Ryansghost

3 жыл бұрын

@@ThePhilosophersGames It's almost as if there could be one last story: some descendant of Feanor, gets the old family urge, breaks Melkor out of 'Void Penitentiary', and forms an evil alliance to wrest the jewel from Feanors cold, dead forehead. 'The Last Silmaril....The Return Of Melkor', See it in cinemas soon.

@Ryansghost

3 жыл бұрын

... sorry. I got overheated there. Obviously that should be Earendils 'cold dead forehead'.

So happy to see this video! Only discovered this series recently and enjoy it. Re: "show not tell", another way I look at it is like "actions speak louder than words". Sometimes an author tells us a character is brave, wise and strong but the actions of the character do not support this claim. This is telling rather than showing. Far from restricting art, I think it encourages it. Tolkien is a master of showing character (even if he can be wordy with other things).

@PleaseNThankYou

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, I completely agree with this...pipe weed was not obnoxious and was quite comforting in fact. And as the "room" was open air, even a slight breeze would waffe through leaving only a hint.

@ThePhilosophersGames

3 жыл бұрын

@ Aria The show, don't tell "rule" has definitely its right to exist and is very useful. What I meant is, that one must be careful with general rules in art that become the only way to do things. In you example you could hide a "meta narrative" with this, etc. The character King of the fantastic One-Punch Man series comes to my mind (even though it's much more complex here and probably a really bad example, because it also inverts the idea again in a weird way). Also thank you, happy you like my content ^^

@ThePhilosophersGames

3 жыл бұрын

@Gigi Quillian Yes, pipe weed is definitely less obnoxious than e.g. a cigarette and the room is open as mentioned, but deep in my heart it feels wrong ^^ (I really hate smoking and the smell of it, so maybe that's why)

Hello there, Maybe you don't know but I was thinking about something yesterday. Every story has his holes, so I can understand that. I think there is a problem with 4 daggers from Arnor which was made to Kill Witch King (WK). Here is the story: - Strange Arnor Knew Everthing Not Dwarves(which their Ruins), not even High Elves(which their Magic) wasn't able to make that. Gondor is also Arnor, they both comes from Numenor. So, if Arnor made, why Gondor didn't made ? Also, How Arnor maybe it ? I mean, Ruins on Weapon, Gandalf fights vs Nazgules and he wasn't able to kill or Disable their Powers, but some Unknown dudes made Anti Nazgul Weapons. I guess Ruins Power are superior than Gandalf Mair powers. Also what made them think that Ruins will work ? if you have Mighty Magical Enemy you can't from nowhere found magic Weapon which will kill him. Also, making short daggers is very bad idea from strategic point of view, I mean to use that weapon you will need to go face to face with Nazgul in Battlefield. Why they didn't put that Ruins on Bow / Arrows / Spear ... even Glorfiend could kill Nazgules, and WK would not damage Boromir. Maybe Arnor made more Anti WK Weapons, but Question still open, Ruins comes from Dwarves, Magic comes from Elves, Men, well they are just Men :) If Arnor knew(from nowhere) How kill WK / Nazgul / Wraith, why Arnor didn't share his knowledge with his Allies ? like that middle earth will not be afraid from Nazgules. What you will say about this ? Thanks :)

@ThePhilosophersGames

3 жыл бұрын

In my opinion there were other Weapons too that could have hurt the Nazgûl. E.g. Narsil, the Sword of King Elendil and it could even hurt Sauron with the One Ring. It was a sword made by the Darves (it's a bit surprising, but it was made by the legendary Dwarven Smith Telchar). In my opinion it could also hurt the Nazgûl. I would argue that also Gil-galad's spear Aeglos could also hurt the Nazgûl. glorfindeol also rode against the Nazgûl alone, so I would assume, he could also face them in a fight with his weapon (I assume a sword). Gandalf used Glamdring a sword made by the Elves of Gondolin to kill a Balrog. In my opinion it could also hurt them. And also the Men of Númenor where very advanced and created weapons. Esp. in Arnor during the War against Angmar. They had to develop weapons like these, to defend themselves against the Nazgûl and their forces. They also made swords, etc. but the Hobbits probably can't wield normal swords so easily and they just took the daggers instead. There were all kinds of things in the Barrow-downs. E.g. I remember the mention of a shield. Quote: "While they were eating Tom went up to the mound, and looked through the treasures. Most of these he made into a pile that glistered and sparkled on the grass." So there were more things on that pile. Further in that passage we can read: "For each of the hobbits he chose a dagger, long, leaf-shaped, and keen, of marvellous workmanship, damasked with serpent-forms in red and gold." This is an interesting detail: Tom Bombadil chose those daggers for them, so he might have known the fate that awaits the Hobbits. I hope that helps clearing some things up ^^

@Guest-pf6uf

3 жыл бұрын

@@ThePhilosophersGames thanks

Examining the differences between the movies and the books piqued my interest but since your series is taking a while to come out, it got me motivated to read the books. Thanks so much for that looking forward to the day you finish this series

@ThePhilosophersGames

3 жыл бұрын

Really happy to hear, have a ton of fun reading the books! haha yes I look also forward to that day, but it will take some time ^^

Philosophers games do u have a favourite "bad character" in lotr? Was curious o:

@christianjohnson2275

3 жыл бұрын

Good question I’m curious what’s yours ?

@philsoro491

3 жыл бұрын

@@christianjohnson2275 Hmm 🤔 I've always really liked the nazgul, gollum is my favourite but I don't think u can necessarily say he's completely evil

@ThePhilosophersGames

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, Gollum is a really good pick, I would pick with him too. Such an interesting and unusual character, somehow evil but you also have pity with him and like him in some way. Beyond that I also like the Witchking and the Nazgûl, but also Sauron as villain (I think I understand Sauron more than Morgoth, who is very nihilistic).

@philsoro491

3 жыл бұрын

@@ThePhilosophersGames Bro I think u mentioned awhile ago u like mount and blade bannerlord, isn't there a lotr mod for it?

@ThePhilosophersGames

3 жыл бұрын

Yes at least for Mount & Blade: Warband here was one. I played it a bit and it was fun. I assume Bannerlord will get one too, but I haven't checked yet. PS: www.moddb.com/mods/a-lord-of-the-rings-mod-kingdoms-of-arda Not available yet, but people seem to be interested in making it ^^

Great video. Very thorough.

@ThePhilosophersGames

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you ^^ As some pointed out we discussed a lot in this video and Frodo did not even leave his bed ^^ So love for detail is definitely a n attribute of this series I guess 😅

@mycaleb8

3 жыл бұрын

@@ThePhilosophersGames I love it. Too many people treat the books as almost the movie's expanded universe. It's nice to videos about the books. Not that I don't love the movies of course.

Eigentlich wollte ich doch schlafen... Danke 😄

@ThePhilosophersGames

3 жыл бұрын

haha sorry 😅

@crashbang5135

3 жыл бұрын

@@ThePhilosophersGames Da bleib ich doch gerne wach. Vielen Dank dafür. 👍

Technically, the fade to white is known as "washing out" in filmmaking.

@ThePhilosophersGames

3 жыл бұрын

oh interesting

OMG, not another leaf filter commercial. "Those ladders are dangerous!", give me a break.

@ThePhilosophersGames

3 жыл бұрын

lol, yes sometimes the ads are annoying (or repeat very often), but I have no influence over them. On a plus side: they allow me to do what I do on this channel and I try to only place a few ads in my videos. E.g. I only place a mid roll in ~40 min+ videos, else only pre and after roll are there.

@jaysomewhereinflyoverterri735

3 жыл бұрын

@@ThePhilosophersGames Nothing against you, we all need to make a buck. Please keep making Tolkien videos, I love them.

I would love a video about the history of the orcs and the reason for them called goblins at different points. I recall you mentioning it being a confusing topic but I’d love to hear your take on it.

@ThePhilosophersGames

3 жыл бұрын

Yes I have to dive into this at some point, but so far this is the only video covering it a bit (you probably have seen it already): kzread.info/dash/bejne/p42jm82LZNjZaNI.html The problem is I would cover all the versions that Tolkien created for this and the problems that come with them, but that is quite a lot ^^ It also includes the early History of Men, which is in of itself a complicated topic too. I still want to make a History of Men video at some point, but that could easily be a 2 hour video, which is scary from a production perspective. Well researched long videos are very difficult and time consuming to make. the history of the Elves video took me like 3 month to make.

have you considered making a video about the history of the rings of power? forging, eregion plundering, redistribution etc. Because some episodes of the story are divided between the silmarillion and the unfinished tales and it is difficult to have a clear perspective. specifically, the rings were not meant to be given to men and dwarves originally. it was sauron who gave them to men and dwarves after stealing them from the elves during the plundering of eregion, right? But how did it happen? and why did men and dwarves accept them? Did sauron disguise himself again as a bearer of gifts or something similar?

Thanks so much! Comment for algorithm hehe

I don't know your situation work/school but if you could put out even a weekly video 10 to 20mins I think you could grow your channel really quickly. I know it gets to the stage where it becomes more like a job that doesn't pay off until you pop off, but good luck and do what you enjoy, we will help you by share vids

@ThePhilosophersGames

3 жыл бұрын

I bascially do KZread as my full time job already 😅 Weekly videos of this quality simply take a ton of time to make (plus there are other channel related things I have to do that eat up work time). For a few months last year I tried to release 15min videos weekly, but it was too work intensive and I could not maintain it (it also did not feel healthy). So one video in 2 weeks is the best I can do for a better life/work balance. When videos get longer or are difficult to make (complicated topic, etc) than I can't keep up the two week rhythm too. 2 Two of the three videos I made before this one were 30 mins and the was other 42 mins, so that's like making seven 15min videos. Considering that I don't feel too bad of taking a bit longer. Even though I make these lore video for 3 years now, I'm still surprised how much work it is to make them. But maybe I'm just slow ^^

11:40 I'm pretty sure that quote is used at a different time in the movies, i believe gandalf says something like that to Pippin when they look out from Minas Tirith, it's the scene where the witch king of Angmar is clad in armor. EDIT: ok i just checked, he does say something like that, i swear he said something like "against some i have not yet been measured" somewhere in the movies XD, or i guess i could mis remember, i am gonna look out for it next time i watch them tho

@MasterBombadillo

3 жыл бұрын

I don't know whether he said it in the movies, but I do know he said something similar in the books to Denethor. _'No,' said Gandalf. 'But he still lived when I left him. Yet he is resolved to stay with the rearguard, lest the retreat over the Pelennor become a rout. He may, perhaps, hold his men together long enough, but I doubt it. He is pitted against a foe too great. For one has come that I feared.'_ _[...]_ _'Yet now under the Lord of Barad-dur the most fell of all his captains is already master of your outer walls,' said Gandalf. 'King of Angmar long ago, Sorcerer, Ringwraith, Lord of the Nazgûl, a spear of terror in the hand of Sauron, shadow of despair.'_ _'Then, Mithrandir, you had a foe to match you,' said Denethor. 'For myself, I have long known who is the chief captain of the hosts of the Dark Tower. Is this all that you have returned to say? Or can it be that you have withdrawn because you are overmatched?'_ _Pippin trembled, fearing that Gandalf would be stung to sudden wrath, but his fear was needless. 'It might be so,' Gandalf answered softly. 'But our trial of strength is not yet come. And if words spoken of old be true, not by the hand of man shall he fall, and hidden from the Wise is the doom that awaits him. However that may be, the Captain of Despair does not press forward, yet. He rules rather according to the wisdom that you have just spoken, from the rear, driving his slaves in madness on before._ Could it be you were remembering this part from the books instead?

@ThePhilosophersGames

3 жыл бұрын

Yes I checked the scene too, but could not find it. It's possible, but I also do not know where. I searched in the scripts of the films, but could not find it there (the script I found did not have the Extended Edition dialogue though). Maybe what @MasterBombadillo says is what you remember. But if you find it, let me know,

@Argos_RB

3 жыл бұрын

@@MasterBombadillo I found out where it was, I miss remembered, it was actually in an extended scene right before the fellowship get's to the wall of Moria

Happy days to you to :D

@ThePhilosophersGames

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you ^^ Also Happy Hobbit Day and happy future days to you ^^

@ThePhilosophersGames so no new upload for a whole month? are you by chance working on something big? i hope the next upload is another long one.

@ThePhilosophersGames

3 жыл бұрын

I work on multiple things at the same time right now, which delays everything (not a smart idea I think 😅). One project is really research heavy, but sadly not LotR related (as a little exception) and planned for the end of November. I also work on one bigger LotR video too, but it will still take some time. Next LotR video might actually be a bit shorter as a result. Sorry for my releasing schedule being a bit messy right now.

@possemis

3 жыл бұрын

@@ThePhilosophersGames ooh you dont have to appologise for not uploading as consistent, i know these things take time to research/fact check. cant wait to see what is up next.

Telepathy seems to be a thing. "Now the Eldar were beyond all other people skilled in tongues; and Felagund discovered also that he could read in the minds of men such thoughts as they wished to reveal in speech." -The Silmarillion, "Of the coming of Men into the West"

@rachelport3723

3 жыл бұрын

It's not telepathy - Gandalf is saying he could piece together what happened from what Frodo said in his delirium, so that he understood Frodo's conflicts.

@Ryansghost

3 жыл бұрын

I always read that as implying that the early men were rather transparent, finding it difficult to dissemble and easy to read.

@ThePhilosophersGames

3 жыл бұрын

Yes there are multiple hints at some form of "telepathy" in the books. The 2 I mention in the video or this one from the Silmarillion. I guess there are limitations to it and I like the idea of early Men being "easy to read". But there are simply to many hints at this. So I think some form of "mind reading" was definitely present with at least some of the Elves and Gandalf.

@rachelport3723

3 жыл бұрын

@@ThePhilosophersGames But listening to delirium speech to understand what has happened to the patient is part of healing - the women in the Houses of Healing do that with Merry and Eowyn, and Gandalf is careful to gather the info from them. Understanding causes of disease is important and Gandalf is good at it. The elves can communicate without speech, but where there is speech, it's important to understand it deeply.

@ThePhilosophersGames

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, ofc, but Galadriel, Celeborn, Elrond and Galadriel could communicate without speech and we find another hint in the Silmarillion. There are probably more examples, so I don't see why it should not be possible to take Gandalf's word a bit more literally here. You can read it as: "You have talked long in your sleep and [in addition] it has not been hard for me to read your mind and memory." but ofc also as: "You have talked long in your sleep and [as a result] it has not been hard for me to read your mind and memory." I would agree on the latter, if there were no hints of Gandalf being able to use some kind of telepathy, but as mentioned we have hints, that he can do this. So why should this not be the case here?

Gandalf lied to Frodo about not knowing that the black riders had arisen again! It states in the book that his cousin Radagast the brown told him they did, and were on their way to the Shire! That’s when he decided to leave and go see Saruman, and left Frodo hanging! True, he did mention them to Frodo of what they were, but that’s it. But how well though? For Gildor asked Frodo when questioned about them “has Gandalf told you nothing?” And Frodo responds “nothing about such creatures.” So what’s going on here??

@ThePhilosophersGames

3 жыл бұрын

Gandalf met Radagast after he talked to Frodo and Radagast convinced him to seek Saruman's help as soon as possible. Gandalf calls this his greatest mistake. So he was not happy with this decision either.

@fbnflaviusbroadcastingnetw6786

3 жыл бұрын

ThePhilosophersGames True. But yet, why did Gandalf say to Frodo (and the rest at the council) that if he had known they were about, and he did, he would’ve left with Frodo then and there? Yet he goes to Saruman? Going to Saruman was his mistake.

@ThePhilosophersGames

3 жыл бұрын

he means if he had known it when he was in the Shire in Bag End with Frodo. But he left and met Radagast on the road much later and only at this point he knew about the Nazgûl. And from all of this it was smart to go to Saruman, because he still had time, wrote Frodo a later to leave the Shire as soon as possible. He did not expect Saruman's betrayal on this scale or being imprisoned for weeks or Butterbur not delivering his letter. It went really unfortunate for him. And the Nazgûl were still far away.

@fbnflaviusbroadcastingnetw6786

3 жыл бұрын

ThePhilosophersGames ok, that made sense. It was from afar on the road to the south of the Shire when he learned of the nazgul being active. That’s why he went to Saruman and trusted Frodo and Butterbur to do the right thing. Oh.., Frodo did not leave until September which Gandalf didn’t intend, He was captured by then. Gildor Aragorn and the hobbits were taken aback with worry and fear since he had suddenly disappeared, and had heard no news either from him or about him. That’s why Gandalf never told Frodo they were abroad, he couldn’t have. But knowing Gandalf, if he had known, he would’ve left with Frodo. He was deceived by Saruman as was Radagast, for he heard nothing wrong in his voice or words, to all concerned, Saruman was being genuine.. and being the head of the order I guess it was right to go to him and open up about what he knew: no one foresaw treachery!

I don't think that they know that smoking is unhealthy. It's not as if they have studied modern medicine.

@ThePhilosophersGames

3 жыл бұрын

That is true, it makes sense in the world, but it feels a bit wrong seeing it (at least for me) ^^

@theserpentshaman5027

3 жыл бұрын

People have understood excessive smoking to be harmful for hundreds of years. People are not idiots. When people smoke a lot they cough and have health issues. Medical science only confirmed what people already knew.

You are very welcomed. I can not figure out how to use DISCORD. OMG...NO ONE REMINDED ME IT WAS HOBBIT DAY!!! Yes...that vas all caps. Not again! ...oh, its the 21st...there's still time!

Aaaaaaaaah, here we go 😌

@ThePhilosophersGames

3 жыл бұрын

yes took some time ^^ I hope you liked the video :)

@onlyonewhyphy

3 жыл бұрын

@@ThePhilosophersGames I'd struggle not to like this content and presentation 👌

Mae govannen - alcarinquë quentalë meldënya.. laitaima illumë.

@ThePhilosophersGames

3 жыл бұрын

haha thank you, happy you like the narration/content ^^

Please more Tolkien content!!

Are the subtitles auto generated??

@ThePhilosophersGames

3 жыл бұрын

oh now I know what i forgot. Yes they are, i forgot to upload my script to generate the subtitles 😅 I will change this, but could take some time PS: subtitles should look better now

@azraelkahn1836

3 жыл бұрын

@@ThePhilosophersGames thank you very much

15 minute videos (or longer) are ok with me.

If only there were smartphones during middle earth.. The fellowship wouldn't have separated and easily reach mordor using google map. 😁

@maxgrozema1093

3 жыл бұрын

Could a cellphone be hacked and tracked by a palantir though?

@DonMeaker

3 жыл бұрын

Rather a shortage of cell phone towers. Coverage must have been very limited.

@ThePhilosophersGames

3 жыл бұрын

lol

@ThePhilosophersGames

3 жыл бұрын

:D

@Ryansghost

3 жыл бұрын

"GOOGLE, YOU FOOLS".

Proof: Gandalf is an absolute Clueless Fool. Gandalf, said to be the wisest of all the Maiar, given 1 of the 3 Elven rings of ring of Power called Narya by Círdan the Shipwright, knowing full well that magical "rings" are the most powerful artifacts in all of middle-earth for the last 4000 years, a member of the "council of the wise"; watches Bilbo for 60 years in a row use a "magical ring", then fumbles about for those same 60 years never once suspecting or checking into Bilbo's ring. I mean why would the " wisest" being in all of middle-earth NOT bother looking into a "magical ring" at the first suspicion. Any excuses for Gandalfs stupidity presented are "lame" bc being the Angel of pure Wisdom from the Heavens is what defines Gandalf. A Wise being would never overlook something soo patently obvious. So prove me wrong that Gandalf isn't a Dope smoking befuddled and bespittled simpleton.

@ThePhilosophersGames

3 жыл бұрын

Yes I agree it's strange that Gandalf did nothing for so long. I would have argued Gandalf did only know that Bilbo had a magical Ring, but not that it was a Great Ring of Power, but he denies even this: ‘When did I first begin to guess?’ he mused, searching back in memory. ‘Let me see - it was in the year that the White Council drove the Dark Power from Mirkwood, just before the Battle of Five Armies, that Bilbo found his ring. A shadow fell on my heart then, though I did not know yet what I feared. I wondered often how Gollum came by a Great Ring, as plainly it was - that at least was clear from the first. Then I heard Bilbo’s strange story of how he had ‘‘won’’ it, and I could not believe it. When I at last got the truth out of him, I saw at once that he had been trying to put his claim to the ring beyond doubt. Much like Gollum with his ‘‘birthday-present’’. The lies were too much alike for my comfort. Clearly the ring had an unwholesome power that set to work on its keeper at once. That was the first real warning I had that all was not well. The timeline is not fully clear here though. I can't really say when exactly Gandalf found out about Bilbo's Ring (maybe he guessed it after the Misty Mountain passage, where Bilbo tells his story, but leaves out that he found a Ring). I assume he told Gandalf "his version" later (maybe back in the Shire?). But if he tells him in the Shire, we don't know when. It could have taken decades then. After the 111th Birthday, Gandalf had to catch up with knowledge and did research for many years. But this is so strange to me too. I think I criticised that part also in one of the episodes of this series. I get why he did not suspect it being the One Ring. But why does Gandalf, who knows about the Great Rings (he has one himself) and I assume about the existence of the Nazgûl (= Ringwraith), allow Bilbo to have such a dangerous Ring. If he knows it's a Great Ring of power, than he knows the danger. They can transform humans into wraiths (Hobbits are counted as humans). Maybe because Sauron did not possess the One Ring, they were somewhat safe? And he thought the Shire is the best hiding place and no danger as long as Bilbo does not use it? But still this put Bilbo at danger. It's a bit weird. I guess he either did not know much about the Great Rings at all or he thought it would not be dangerous while Sauron did not possess the One Ring and used the Shire as hiding place, because even Saruman was a bit suspicious.

@zacbird1862

3 жыл бұрын

@@ThePhilosophersGames Philosopher... you- an Expert- are rambling here; there is No explaining away this Plot hole- Tolkien messed up. Your not fully acknowledging Gandalf as the "wisest" Maiar-wisest of all etc. But you have also come to the same conclusion that there is No excuse for Gandalf's dereliction and laziness, so kudos. Knowing what he knows he thus embarked upon a 60 year journey of dope smoking and denial. Gandalf the Grey? Gandalf the Befuddled lazy donkey turd is more accurate.

@rachelport3723

3 жыл бұрын

@@ThePhilosophersGames I think Gandalf believed the One Ring no longer existed - hadn't Saruman said that it had been taken by the river to the sea? But knowing it was strange for Gollum to have a great ring, he watched Bilbo for the effects, and saw that basically he seemed okay, though his not aging was worrying. The scene after Bilbo's party startled him. For the next few years he watched Bilbo, watched Frodo, and then looked for Gollum - how could such a ring have come to him? The ring was probably as safe and secret as it could be, in the Shire. He worried about Frodo, but had to know for sure, had to have the whole story, before knowing what to do. What could he have done before that that wouldn't have brought on more danger?

@ThePhilosophersGames

3 жыл бұрын

That is also an important point that you make: @Rachel Port Gandalf was convinced (thanks to Saruman) that teh oen Ring was washed into the ocean and out of reach. So I totally understand why he did not expect it to be the One Ring. From my perspective he must have assumed it was one of the remaining Dwarven Rings of Power.

@cally77777

3 жыл бұрын

@@ThePhilosophersGames I think you have a good point.The Dwarven Rings did not turn their bearers into wraiths. But they did inspire them with an even greater greed for gold (and presumably treasure generally)... something which Sauron knew had been destructive to his enemies in the past (such as the slaying of Thingol over possession of the Nauglamir in the Silmarillion). Now while this was more to do with the nature of the dwarves themselves, did Gandalf realise this? And although he knew that men such as the Nazgul had fallen (men are weak, as Elrond said!) what about hobbits? Few knew much about them (Gandalf was the nearest to an expert outside their land) Furthermore Gollum, a fallen hobbit, had possessed the Ring for many years, and he never faded into a wraith either. So its possible Gandalf might have initially believed that a Ring of Power, almost certainly a Dwarven Ring (because lore had accounted for the location of all the others, as he thought) born by a hobbit, was not such an immediate and terrible peril to its user. Especially not as dangerous as that ring in the hands of someone far more susceptible, including perhaps himself! (The more powerful the bearer, the more potential harm they could do with it if they fell under its sway). At the council of Elrond (sorry to jump ahead to the next video) Gandalf explained that he watched Bilbo carefully for signs of malign influence, and that at first he wasn't sure his apparent lack of aging wasn't due to a combination of good genes and the long hobbit life-span. It was only when Bilbo began acting seriously out of character at the end of his 111th bday that he was alarmed enough to start researching the Ring (knowing also the possible mental damage that simply taking it from Bilbo could wreak). At the very least, you could say this caution was justified by some of the terribly bad decisions made over similar artifacts in the past. And for the record, you once again respond graciously to a rather crude enquiry. Despite the film's obvious jokes at Gandalf's 'weed' habit, his choice of narcotic was almost certainly tobacco, not cannabis. Mocking his actions as being due to foolishness, senility or drug stupor echoes the words of Saruman, hardly someone we'd want to emulate!

Going on for 5 minutes about whether Gandalf was bedside or at the window when Frodo woke up was over the top. I would not have mentioned it at all because it is really irrelevant.

@ThePhilosophersGames

3 жыл бұрын

haha that is true, but I also like to look a bit deeper into film making and this was a good opportunity to talk about blocking and explaining why Peter Jackson altered things. I often get comments asking why Peter Jackson and his team changed this from the books and I have to write long answers, but now I felt it as a good example to demonstrate the problems a film maker might have had and why they decided to change a few things. I found that part really interesting personally.

@cally77777

3 жыл бұрын

@@ThePhilosophersGames You are commendably polite in your reply to a somewhat churlish comment. Of course had there not been any discernable reason, then this length of time taken on Gandalf's positioning would be over the top. Furthermore if this was a one-off documentary film, then it would probably be a bad use of available time/space. But in a series of detailed videos exploring LOTR in depth, its perfectly fine. Also you explained exactly why this seemingly insignificant change was also important from a filmic viewpoint. And you did so with references to the history of cinema, eloquently and with interest.

@ThePhilosophersGames

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you ^^ I try to be polite, but it's sometimes difficult (to be honest). In this case I can see though, why someone would maybe prefer a stronger focus on the lore. But as you pointed out, we have the time for this in a series ^^