I think the main reason Tommen's death had the emotion point it did was because that, in hindsight, Tommen's suicide was the first, last and only decision HE made the entire time he was king, rather than a decision someone else made for him.

@stevennorris7181

4 жыл бұрын

and it actually was shocking, I remember the first time I saw it it was like. "wait.....WHAT?!!!!".

@Roberta_Trevino

4 жыл бұрын

@@stevennorris7181 Yeah it was just so quiet and simple. No body, no splat noise so scream of someone finding his body. Just a cold, chilling silent suicide marking the end of the light and innocent Tommen, who would probably have been at least a decent king.

@alexanderchristopher6237

4 жыл бұрын

@@Roberta_Trevino decent? Yeah, no. Even with Cersei's death. His upbringing under his mother would have already destroyed his potential future. History has shown that the heirs of many female rulers (many of whom are very dominating in politics and their heir's life) ends up to be considered bad kings by their subjects. Why? All because they're very dominating in their heir's life and sometime even saw them as a threat that they're not even allowed to participate in the kingdom's affair. In Tommen, he's been raised to be Cersei's tool that he lost his identity. He won't make a good, independent king because of how's he was raised.

@Roberta_Trevino

4 жыл бұрын

@@alexanderchristopher6237 I was agreeing with the video. We were all hoping Cercei would leave Tommen be. If she left he would've most probably been a good king. He was kind and I guess wisdom comes with age.

@alexgilmour3907

4 жыл бұрын

@LagiNaLangAko23 That's actually a character point made explicit in the books - Tommen and Myrcella are noted by other characters to be kinder than Joffrey purely because Cersei focused all her attention on her eldest.

Best line: Night King was a sidequest.

@6ixlxrd

4 жыл бұрын

He felt more like that boss you defeat at the end of an RPG's tutorial to me.

@dezslock8974

4 жыл бұрын

@@6ixlxrd Like the first boss you see and you think 'Man, that would be hard and scary' but it ends up being easy af xD

@vay5540

4 жыл бұрын

Dezslock I hate those bosses in games cause I usually prepare and up rage etc for a while, then realize “we’ll crap I could’ve just fought his thing before...”

@vay5540

4 жыл бұрын

ayy haha I know this was kind of an insult but honestly you’re kinda right 🤣

@txorimorea3869

4 жыл бұрын

In some alternate reality GOT's last season was so epic people can't stop talking about how good it was. I need interdimensional cable so bad!

"The show ran out of time, they just didn't have enough track." Love the video, but I just wanted to point out; they absolutely did not run out of anything. HBO basically wrote D&D a blank check for as much Game of Thrones as they were willing to make--as many episodes or seasons as they wanted, with whatever budget that required--and this is what they gave us. If they ran out of anything, it was fucks.

@butt317

4 жыл бұрын

They should've handed it off to someone else who was willing to put in the years and work closely with GRRM

@Zeverinsen

4 жыл бұрын

@@butt317 They should've, but they're the literal embodiment of Hollywood greed and ego. Cab you even IMAGINE being so selfish and self centered that you don't even care about _money_ anymore!? Like how is it even possible??? They didn't care about the story, they certainly didn't care about the fans, they didn't even care about the millions they would make, but they were so egoistic that instead of handing over the show to anyone else, they'd rather destroy it themselves... And for fucking what? STAR WARS!? I've yet to feel this much disgust towards any director for their directing.

@Lalvon_Zelpharr

4 жыл бұрын

@Mae McCardle Yeah so basically they rushed the last two seasons for nothing, fuckin retards.

@nekoqueen5524

4 жыл бұрын

@Mae McCardle Talk about consequences lol. At least there was some in rl, if there wasn't any in the show

@adammay1054

4 жыл бұрын

@@Lalvon_Zelpharr well I mean it wasn't for nothing they will forever be known as the idiots that screwed up the final seasons that carries weight to it if I had a show I certainly wouldn't hire someone who screwed up the final season so they could start another project

Ned Stark only had less than 1 season to build his character and when he died, fans can still feel his death. Dany development took 8 seasons to build and her death is shit.

@Jack-kx5rf

4 жыл бұрын

She should have totally told Jon she was pregnant as his knife was cutting into her. Turning one of the least powerful deaths into one of the most tragic.

@mozorellastick2583

4 жыл бұрын

Anjelica Snorcket because season 8 didn't actually mean anything, it was a joke and I couldn't emotionally attach to anything that happened

@usul573

3 жыл бұрын

By the time I got to the last episode, I was just like "Can we just finish this shit?"

@mangckyatmamon

3 жыл бұрын

@@usul573 pretty sure the directors said the same thing.

@aaronhamilton7300

3 жыл бұрын

it felt so rushed i seriously don’t understand why they couldn’t round both season 7 and 8 to 10 episodes each

"and Rickon is... Not important." Why did that sting

@cruzmcclure1310

4 жыл бұрын

Magi V Literally the funniest thing I’ve heard all day

@seank4150

4 жыл бұрын

Came here for this

@wicketman2339

4 жыл бұрын

even his own family forgot he existed lol hell i forgot he existed

@Randomeaninglessword

4 жыл бұрын

It's sad and true. Poor little dude got thrown away like nothing by even his own family. Kid deserved at least something of an arc or a character.

@Optimalst

4 жыл бұрын

i looked directly to the comments to see if i was the only one :D

I feel like Lady's death had more impact than Dany's. That says a lot

@fingolfinofnoldor3592

4 жыл бұрын

And Dany's death should have had massive fallout, especially since she named all her Dothraki warriors, her bloodriders, so they should have been trying to kill Jon at all costs, including Greyworm and the Unsullied army. It should have been a whole new wave of chaos; you can’t kill a queen and expect no consequences. But there were no consequences for killing Dany, her death is swept under the rug in like five minutes.

@margisama

4 жыл бұрын

@@fingolfinofnoldor3592 not to mention... "we're going to punish her murderer by sending him to where he was happiest and most free and wanted to be in the first place" "okay..we're good. we're going to just get on ships and leave without another word"

@apossiblyhereticalalphaleg3595

4 жыл бұрын

@@margisama More specifically, go to an island that holds the equivalent of the Black Death making sure we die the moment we step foot there

@meloniejen8400

4 жыл бұрын

Emilia Clark: Am I a joke to you Writers: *she sOrTa fOrgOt aBOut tHe irOn fLeEt*

@akshooter271

4 жыл бұрын

@@apossiblyhereticalalphaleg3595 no they were going to the summer isles

The most heartbreaking death in Game of Thrones was Season 8.

@THEPELADOMASTER

4 жыл бұрын

If that's what you think, then I don't know how you didn't see it coming since the shit show that was season 6.

@ChristopherWanha

4 жыл бұрын

@@THEPELADOMASTER nah, the last season wasn't as bad. It was the worst.

@THEPELADOMASTER

4 жыл бұрын

@@ChristopherWanha But it got progressively worse each season since season 5, culminating in the abysmal failure that is season 8

@KookShanty

4 жыл бұрын

Cheap Tactics Season 6 was amazing, in my opinion the second best season. 7 is where I think it fell off the rails

@ikitclaw4852

4 жыл бұрын

​@@KookShanty Season 6 was alright at best imo, had a RIDICULOUSLY stupid battle (aka. battle of the bastards) and bringing Jon to life was also a big mistake. Yes Jon was still alright in Season 6 (had his scenes and his last good Season), but imagine how good the Show could've evolved without him. In hindsight, the story would've been much more interesting without him. But the season wasn't only bad, it had it's good things for sure. It's just more the beginning of the downfall of GoT, at least it felt like that for me.

To me, the problem is this: when the series started, Game of Thrones was about... well, nobody really. It was about the conflict itself. The series didn't have a "protagonist" in the common sense of the word. Sure, it has a lot of important characters, and it even lead us to the false impression that Ned was the main man, but that's what his death is ultimately telling the audience: there are NO protagonists. This is history, not story. It's in the name: Game of Thrones. It's not about the players, it's about the game itself. That's why GoT was so compelling at the beginning. It really gave the audience the feeling of witnessing something that really happened, in opposing to a moral lesson disguised as tale. Things happened because... well, because things happen. That's the meaning of consequence, some phenomena leads to other phenomena in a series of events, where both will and chance play a role. That's how history works. Although many try to steer the narrative one way or another, shit is always happening that's against or independent of people's wills and hopes, on top of those things people worked to achieve. And even then, multiple purposes interact in intricate and mostly unpredictable ways. But writing in this non-linear multilevel way demands a highly structured thinking pattern, and it's difficult to say the least. Not everybody can pull this off. So, when the adapters started to create, well... they changed it. Beginning with season 5, the show starts to have clear and well defined protagonists. Everyone else is disposable, but we start to get that "plot armor" feeling most fantasies and action driven series have around their main characters. When you can know someone's not gonna die based solely on which actor is playing the role. It stopped being history, and now we're watching some story. And a not very well written one too, at that. Shit, they even RESSURRECT a protagonist. The high stakes are gone; long live the main characters. It was a shock. But affective memory kept the audience levels, so we got that Lost finale, which is already bad as stories go, but, boy, it's even worse when compared to the starting point. It sucked hairy sweaty balls.

@NineSun001

4 жыл бұрын

It clearly had a protagonist. It was Ned Stark. Only after his death the story revealed itself as this insanely complicated power-play with many protagonists who will die if they make bad decisions. This is mostly due to how GRRM writes this story. He does not have a large overarching main storyline in mind to which every otherone has to adhear. He writes the different stories and sees what they would naturally evolve to and what they could impact, creating new stories or ending old ones where they would make sense to end, regardsless of the big overarching theme. This is also why it takes him ages to write. You could achieve a similar result if you have multiple authors writing just their own storyline updating each others how their story is progressing and applying changes to the world. Only being forced to keep consistency in the world and kinda the same overall theme (not one writing a dark novel while the other story is a disney fable). They must also not be afrait to end their storyline and switching to another one of their colleagues has created by discovering new in their story. The great thing about this is that the result woudl not be one story but rather a world with many stories. You could sell each story individually (at different prices, depending how long they are) so you can only see that part of the world which interests you and skipping stories that you don't care about. Maybe even let people go back in time and read up on a story they skipped early but now is important to another one they are currently interested in. Maybe even spanning multiple medias, kinda like halo. You have a book which reveals the story of one guy, that dies on a battlefield. You have a game that only covers this battle with a different protagonist who kills the first guy in the end, maybe by accident resulting in a revenge plot a movie covers. All while 150km south something completly different is happening in a tv-series which also acknowledes the events of the other books, games, films. This would quickly become a giant world where you are completely unable to follow everything. Like only watching Denaris scenes the whole time, then wondering where the fuck that assin popped out of, going back to watch how and why he was send and suddenly discovering a new plot about a little brat with a hot mother who gets screwed by her brother. Imagine discovering the world of westeros that way. But that would be an lifetime project for multiple people and would also be actual work for the viewers if they wanted to watch everything in a chronological order.

@maxdecphoenix

4 жыл бұрын

literally in the first... 10minutes of the series.... Ned executes a guy who he acknowledges 5 seconds after killing him could have been crazy... "a mad man sees what he sees"... Then what the fuck did you kill him for? Remember, Ned doesn't know the Walkers are back. He doesn't know for sure this guy has seen one. He then kills him and is questioned by Bran, and he doesn't say 'he was lying.', 'that was just bullshit'., 'A deserter would say anything', he says 'A mad man sees what he sees.'. This underscores that Ned had apparently realized this guy had some severe psychological trauma, but still expected a person who was incapable of meeting the social standard, to meet the social standard. So he killed him. I'm left to assume that Ned had Hodor whipped on occasion as well then. And why not? If a mad man sees what he sees, but is still responsible for the consequences of their actions apparently. And then he uses the execution of the mentally disturbed to pound his chest to his kid about how honorable he is for being the one to kill the mentally disturbed.. It's insanity that this complete moral flexability for Ned gets painted as moral inflexability. Forcing crazy people to stand on a wall is moral to Ned, but when those crazies have visions (which in this case was seeing some real shit), them leaving is immoral. Fucking crazy.

@stitchowi

4 жыл бұрын

Op

@carso1500

3 жыл бұрын

@@NineSun001 as a writer what you describes sounds fucking crazy, i don't like to say it would be imposible, but at the very least you would need to found some pretty specific people to pull something like that up and i can see real world drama or creative diferences fucking such story hard, all it takes is one disagreament

@craigyeah1052

3 жыл бұрын

@@NineSun001 @carso1500 You ever read stuff from the Star Wars EU? Hell, american comics love this formula. I've always found diving into them super fascinating, though the inherit flaws are pretty obvious as well. Those are major franchises so I'm sure they don't carry the exact feeling you're imagining and spring from traditional stories, but you can't argue the fact they fit that description.

Cersei having no consequences for blowing up the Sept is one of the biggest writing failures in the entire show. What she did was the equivalent of blowing up the Vatican with the Pope inside, and the show continues without any of the peasants or nobility having a reaction? Noone cared that Queen Margerey, who had been shown as beloved by the people, died there as well? The show just moves along and hopes the audience simply forgets the implications of what happened, so they can conveniently make Cersei queen.

@richardwheatley5979

4 жыл бұрын

Can't agree more with this. She blew up the Pope, the Vatican, 1000s of people, the commander of her own armed forces, the leader of her most important ally and the most beloved woman in the city. Next season the people of Kings Landing choose to trust and believe Cersi over Danni

@apossiblyhereticalalphaleg3595

4 жыл бұрын

@Feli Aslan But that's the problem, it's not what they did, even such simple writing was something D&D avoided, making their creation of GoT worse then their adaptation

@apossiblyhereticalalphaleg3595

4 жыл бұрын

@Feli Aslan Yeah, they should've tried to either stick closer to the themes of the book or ask more questions to George, unless George wanted to allow them to try something different from the books so he can still make money of the sales of the book

@red_calla_lily

4 жыл бұрын

The biggest difference between the early seasons and the last ones: the first ones also showed the civilians the houses rule over. Simple world-building. In the last season, the protagonists seemed to exist in a vacuum, like they were the only living people in Westeros. They only interacted with each other. It's no wonder the world suddenly felt artificial and empty.

@anarche4900

4 жыл бұрын

Her son died

19:13 “to have less characters to worry about. Stannis: Fewer

@rusarvareth9685

4 жыл бұрын

Nice.

@fuzzydunlop7928

4 жыл бұрын

That moment was the absolute zenith of Stannis' popularity on the show, and that season would also be its lowest point.

@doubleaskills4986

4 жыл бұрын

AAAAYYYYYYYYYY

@mohammadrezamoqadass3888

4 жыл бұрын

Stannis approves!

@MarvelousGap

4 жыл бұрын

Lol

Thank you for mentioning Jamie running at the Dragon and both him and a ton surviving. That was THE moment that took me out of the show after that I couldn’t unsee how bad the show was getting.

@Grassrope123

4 жыл бұрын

Even worse when he comes back to Winterfell later to fight against the Night King and Dany conveniently forgets that he's the man that tried to kill her and Drogon like how many episodes earlier.

@elfodelputoinfierno

4 жыл бұрын

And Jon screamed at one, killed it's mother and NOTHING. The epitome of plot armor

@YourSkyliner

2 жыл бұрын

@@elfodelputoinfierno I don't know, to me it made sense that Drogon didn't kill Jon. Dragons are smart, he knew that Dany had totally lost it and had become a danger to everyone.

In the earlier seasons, I remember Sam being in danger and me rooting for him and hoping he gets out alive. Then in S8, I was a bit pissed he didn't die, not because I no longer liked him but because I hated the fact that so many main characters were surviving a horde of undead on top of them. They could have given a reason for his death, like him realizing half-way through the battle about the undead in the crypt, going down there to save Gilly and sacrificing himself.

@SwfanredLotr

4 жыл бұрын

Same! I used to be in the edge of my Seat during the battle of Castle Black shopping for Sam to not get hot by an barrow but now I cringe when I see him screaming with a pile of wights.

@Mintberry_Crunch03

3 жыл бұрын

Sifix same with Tormund like he was a good character but fucking hell the fact he didn’t die is just stupid

@mxngos7493

Жыл бұрын

Imagine Sam dies while Jon watches-- knowing his hesitation is what truly caused Sam's death. He runs toward the NK and lunges, not thinking of the consequences. He kills the NK, but not before he too was stabbed. The NK is destroyed, while Jon is on the ground bleeding out. This death causes Dany and Sansa to bicker, ultimately leading to a falling out where Dany does not have the northmen's help for the battle of kingslanding. Arya secretly makes her way down to kingslanding to kill cersi. Jaimie follows as well, for the same purpose. In kingslanding, Dany sees Rhaegal (who was not killed at this point in my version) die from a window-- with Cersi opporating the weapon. This was the final straw-- left with no other alternative, Dany burns kingslanding. Cersi trying to escape with The Mountain by her side, sees Jaimie and is relieved. Arya is standing in the shadows. They hug, and Jaimie stabs Cersi, but it was too shallow. The mountain beheads Jaimie. Arya, realizing Cersi could still live, attacks and gets the final blow on Cersi. The mountain, realizing he was too slow, charges for Arya but is stopped by the hound. The hound and the mountain die in the same way as the show. Arya is trying to escape, but the rubble is too much. She gets caught in the path of dragonfire while trying to safe everyone else in kingslanding, her final words being, "I guess it is today" a callback to "what do we say to death? not today." Dany has taken kingslanding, but not without a cost. Greyworm has died as well, leaving Dany even more distraught and without any of her former friends. Tyrion makes a backhanded deal with Sansa. In the middle of the night, Dany wakes up to both of them staring her down. They each take turns stabbing her, similarly to how Jon was stabbed at the nights watch. They both list the names of their siblings who died at Dany's hand-- or because of her actions. People never find out who killed Dany, and Bran refuses to say anything. Drogon dies a day after, unable to live without his mother and ending the era of dragons. A power vaccum ensues, and infighting begins. The northmen, having had enough time to recover and having escorted Sansa to kingslanding in secret, take over kingslanding in order to maintain peace. everyone is scrambling, asking who will be the new ruler. In fighting once again ensues, and the north is left unguarded, so Sansa pulls out of the running. However, she wrote in a letter who she would vote for to be the new ruler. The people are asked who they want to be lead by, and there is no clear answer. Ultimately, the houses each become their own kingdom, effectively ending the game of thrones. Not the best, but it is better than season 8. This would play out over 15 episodes btw. For unaddressed characters: -Bron dies savnig Jaimie when he charged at Drogon -Misandei dies the same way -Euron dies in the battle of kingslanding -Theon dies in the long night -Juror dies in the long night -Lyanna Mormont dies in the long night -Olenna dies the same -Nymeria dies in the long night, saving Arya -Illaria Sand dies in the battle of kingslanding -Yara Greyjoy dies the same -Brienne is queens guard to Sansa -Littlefinger dies at the beginning of the season, when Bran returns and tells Sansa everything. He dies by public execution. I think that is all.

@smallandstressed2364

Жыл бұрын

A show known for killing anyone, main characters included, not killing anyone during a fight against zombies?

@wazumedasho73

Жыл бұрын

there was no way Sam could've survived that battle

Stark Lannister War - 4 Seasons Lannister Tyrell War - 1 Scene Undead living War - 1 Night

@withalittlehelpfrom3

4 жыл бұрын

Like D + D were saying “I know GRRM says we could go at least 13 seasons... but nah, let’s crunch it into the length of a Pixar short!”

@barkley8285

4 жыл бұрын

David Perrier Stark-Lannister War - 3 seasons Targaryen-Lannister War - 1 seasons Undead War - 1 episode

@hundy4921

4 жыл бұрын

Sunbro Adresse not really, that’s more when we were properly introduced to them, along with how big of a threat they were. War didn’t properly start until season 8 with the only battle/conflict being episode 3

@0AcE013

4 жыл бұрын

@Sunbro Adresse i guess what he means is at that point it's closer to a skirmish between the crows and the undead rather than a war with the living

@davidperrier6149

4 жыл бұрын

@Sunbro Adresse The FotFM was was 300 men of the watch who had no idea white walkers existed. Again, larger attacks against wildlings had been occurring for decades.

I had actually forgotten about Varys' death until the clip of him being executed showed up. He was one of my all-time favourite characters, and I completely forgot about his death. Really goes to show how forgettable and unsatisfying his arc's ending was.

@apossiblyhereticalalphaleg3595

4 жыл бұрын

@@cybele_mullejz Then there's the fact that a bunch of fanatic Dothraki and extremely loyal Unsullied were surronding Jon Snow's means of escape, that would've certainly led to a second battle where whoever wasn't with Dany fought her fanatically devoted soldiers, rather then the Unsullied sending Jon exactly where he planned to go and commit the equivalent of suicide by sailing to an island infected by the GoT equivalent of the Bubonic Plague

@quetz6335

4 жыл бұрын

I forgot about everyone's death in season 8 tbh, it was just so bad that it had no impact on me.

@lordhelmchen3154

4 жыл бұрын

@@quetz6335 "I forgot about -everyone's death in- season 8 tbh, ..."

@karmagrl76

4 жыл бұрын

I didn't forget his death. I was too pissed off. He was the ultimate puppet master for most of the show, and makes the stupid mistake of letting all the wrong people know about his true intentions in the last season. Jon is the true heir to the throne and he probably isn't kookoo banana bread crazy pants? "Hey Jon (character that is honorable to the point of stupidity at times)! Want to betray your aunt/lover who you gave up a crown for and swore fealty to? Cause I totes think you should be ruler of the seven kingdoms. But don't tell on me, 'kay?" Insert eye roll here.

@SerMattzio

4 жыл бұрын

Not to mention nonsensical. Varys: I am the best spymaster in the world. Also Varys: I'm going to write treasonous letters in my office right next to the queen for no reason LOL I love how they didn't even bother to have those letters do anything, either. He literally died writing pointless letters.

When Jon was resurrected: Yes! My boy lives! Season 7&8 happened: ... maybe he was better off dead than be a kneeling parrot for his lover/aunt... Ygritte's death by Ollie: Had me bawling like a child Daenerys' death by Jon: K. This is why you should have at least two guards with you -_- Jamie: I sacrificed my honor as a Kingsguard and killed the Mad King because he is a threat to everyone! I will find a way to avoid bloodshed or at least offer to compromise like I did with the Blackfish. Jamie in Season 8: I don't really care about other people, I just love my sister lol D&D: Jamie kinda forgot he had character development.

@nineblessednineadorednined9214

4 жыл бұрын

Jon Snow should have never been resurrected. He's a horribly boring character. His death is meant to be one of the best parts of the story. But because Kit Harington he has to be kept alive. Which ruins the story.

@Jack-kx5rf

4 жыл бұрын

I don't get why people bash Jamie for this. All he's wanted his entire life is to be by Cersei's side. Yes, he has disagreements with her but at the end of the day, he still loved her. He knew Dany was going to defeat her so he went to try and save her life or die by her side. After making his way back to King's Landing after all the character development becoming a better person he still threatens Edmure to catapult his baby boy into the side of a fucking castle. What Jamie did at the end of season 8 was 100% what his character development pushed him towards.

@captainmarvelwilson508

4 жыл бұрын

No it wasn’t. It was a slap in the face to his development over the years. He said he never cared about innocents, when I remember him saying that he did in Season 3. His love for Cersei is beyond nonsensical by now because of the faces he has shown throughout.

@TwinBrosGaming

4 жыл бұрын

@@Jack-kx5rf Fuck Steve Shives

@Jack-kx5rf

4 жыл бұрын

@@TwinBrosGaming ikr he's a total dick

FINALLY SOMEONE TALKS ABOUT THE FACT THAT THEY DONT LET DANY CARE ABOUT HER DRAGONS I HATED THAT SO MUCH

@kuromyou7969

Жыл бұрын

Maybe she thought they were powerful enough to take care of themselves?

The worst part about the ending is that it ruins rewatching cuz u know how many story beat are dropped and ruined

@jedmosely6423

4 жыл бұрын

That's what really kills me. I used to rewatch it all the time. Now I don't want to, even a little bit. The last season is just so off.

@juanjoboccia8332

4 жыл бұрын

Exactly! I rewatched each season countless amount of times, but now there's just no point, unless I pretend the show ended on season 6 with Jon at least becoming king of something... the white walkers staying as a permanent threat (since according to George RR Martin the represent global warming, and that doesn't go away), and Dany sailing to Westeros.... but I cannot erase the last 2 seasons from my memory, so I'm donde with this story, until I hear that the ending in the books defiers greatly from the show. Bran becoming king is like Having Poly in Rocky getting the world champion title after seeing Rocky rise, fall, train, and struggle... it makes no sense. And the counsel formed by Tyrio, Bronn, Lady Brienne, Sam and Sir Davos, probed not melting the Iron throne meant nothing since all they are discussing are rebuilding hore houses.... That scene only needed those recorder laughs and it would belong to "Friends"... In my opinion the destroyed the show entirely! @the_only_juan_79

@kickowegranie3200

4 жыл бұрын

Hopefully books will justify *this* ending and re-reading them will be pleasing

@SveenxHD

4 жыл бұрын

@@kickowegranie3200 What if not finishing the books was a 200 iq move by R.R.Martin. because he knew d&d would fail so now everyone want to buy the books to get the better ending

@kickowegranie3200

4 жыл бұрын

@@SveenxHD Yeah, this and not making the same mistakes D&D made

Jamie’s death annoyed me the most, probably because his arc was one of my favorites. And instead of giving him a satisfying conclusion to his character, they undo multiple seasons of development and send him to King’s Landing for literally no other reason than to die. For one of the most well-developed characters in the series he has one of the most pitiful deaths, in terms of both the reasons behind it and its impact on *anything* else.

@elizasnow9661

4 жыл бұрын

Darth Jami I really thought Jamie would kill her and that would’ve been so much better. I’m really disappointed about that

@cockycookie1

4 жыл бұрын

I literally forgot he died

@abhinayashankar4201

4 жыл бұрын

they just wanted to have the umm..."cool incest visual".. when all it was was anti-climactic and a LITERAL meme. He's my favorite character, and all he did was.. DIE. I have almost not accepted it as canon because it made no sense. I have been prepared for him to die in both the show and books for 12 years now, but I felt nothing. That may be the most egregious thing to do to such a complex character. What was the point of the (serendipitous) Euron fight? He got stabbed 3 times and just walked around till he (again serendipitously) reunited with Cersei on the floor map. She goes "you're hurt omg that's so sad" when SHE LITERALLY PUT A PRICE ON HIS HEAD. That's when I started LOLing hard.

@yure3124

4 жыл бұрын

@@abhinayashankar4201 The worst thing is when he tells Tyrion he never cared about the innocent. The Kingslayer, the guy that earned his status and nickname due to his refusal to watch a king slaughter innocent people never cared about the innocent. That is just bullshit

@Devilish-zo6ws

4 жыл бұрын

I was sure he was going to die in winterfell, that would complete his story arc. When that didn't happen I thought he would go to KL to kill Cersei and then die, another great way to end his arc. But nooo, that was too much to ask

I’m always down for another 30 minute youtube thesis slamming Thrones

The Night King winning, especially after the ending we got, would have been heavenly. "You played your game of thrones until there was no one left to protect it, let alone claim it. Despite the warnings and the signs, your petty squabbles led to your demise. It was just, it was true, it was inevitable. The song is sung."

@anna-flora999

Жыл бұрын

So, you would have preferred an ending where truly and absolutely nothing that happened during the show mattered?

@samueldimmock694

Жыл бұрын

@@anna-flora999 To quote J.R.R. Tolkien, "victory is victory, however small, nor is its worth only from what follows after." Some people tried to protect others, and the fact that they ultimately failed doesn't take away from that. As for everything else: yes. They spent so much time and resources and caused so much tragedy squabbling over a worthless throne while ignoring the threat from the North, meaning they didn't do anything that was worth doing, and a show that reflects that would be incredible (especially if they wanted to subvert expectations).

@anna-flora999

Жыл бұрын

@@samueldimmock694 to quote sir Terry Pratchett: "Let there be goblin hordes, let there be terrible environmental threats, let there be giant mutated slugs if you really must, but let there also be hope. It may be a grim, thin hope, an Arthurian sword at sunset, but let us know that we do not live in vain.”

@samueldimmock694

Жыл бұрын

@@anna-flora999 Well, some of the people really did live in vain, but I suppose giving them some last-minute redemption isn't a problem. And for those who fought to protect others: sure, why not? Let them die as they have lived. Perhaps a desperate last battle to hold off the forces of the Night as long as possible and buy time for civilians to evacuate, fleeing across the ocean to find refuge perhaps in that quasi-kingdom that Dany set up (if that's accurate; I haven't actually watched the show or read the books), perhaps just wherever they can find it? But yes. I do like a bit of hope in my stories. Sometimes, the hope of trying where success is impossible, if well-executed, will work, but it's usually nice to have something a bit more than that. Otherwise the story isn't really worth telling.

@mxngos7493

Жыл бұрын

I think that would've been the most GoT thing ever. I honestly wish that happened. We watch the downfall of humanity because of their own selfish mistakes. Death is inevitable.

i’m glad you talked about the dragon deaths. they were so upsetting to me and then they were just immediately forgotten and it just felt wrong

@stephaniehaynes8609

4 жыл бұрын

It's been 2 years and 2 months, respectively, and I'm still not over the dragon deaths. The episodes they died in only existed to kill them (and later, Missandei) off, which sucked. I grew tired of the whole, "let's tear down Dany's world so that she can remember she's still strong on her own" bs seasons ago. It's just the same ol, rinse and repeat until crazy routine, which adds to the list of how rewatching this series will be less enjoyable.

@Ellisepha

4 жыл бұрын

Ikr? When the first dragon died during that mindbafflingly stupid "kidnap a zombie" quest I thought "Oh shit! This is big! It will be a huge deal to both Dany's war plans and her psyche" but nope, banging your neffew apparently makes more sense...

@stephaniehaynes8609

4 жыл бұрын

@@Ellisepha ahhahahaah, nothing like nephew banging to get over your child's death in the world of Dumb and Dumber! Goodness they really crapped on these characters.

@darko-man8549

4 жыл бұрын

George RR MArtin: "Mature Dragons are practically indestructible, the shot that killed one in the past was one in a million" D&D: "Hold Euron's Beer"

@rvantong

4 жыл бұрын

The moment Rhaegal gets shot from the air was the worst moment of the show for me. Just a cheap jump-scare equivalent of the trying to shock the audience and t made no sense logistically. Just made me throw my hands in the air. And then they made it worse by immediately making the scorpions useless after.

It still bothers me that D&D went silent and never adress the fans disapoinment

@REDinitial

4 жыл бұрын

We're talking about the dudes who've said “Themes are for eighth-grade book reports". Surprise, surprise.

@cbabygags2553

4 жыл бұрын

I felt so cynically happy to see those two bozos didn't have an 'inside the episode' bit after the last episode. They know they can't fucking justify that dung heap.

@TheRAH1

4 жыл бұрын

Romi Smirnoff cowards.

@steelbear2063

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheRAH1 More like rich and influential guys who don't give a Fuck about rabble not enjoying some shit, why would they waste their time?

@Jack-kx5rf

4 жыл бұрын

The just didn't give a shit about a satisfying conclusion. They were hired to do a few Star Wars movies and just gave up on GOT.

Honestly, if Dany's turn to the Mad Queen were better done, her giving her whole fire and blood speech would have been a great end to the show. Everybody thought she would be the one to save Westeros, so ending on her becoming queen, ushering in a new era of evil royalty would be kind of poetic.

Deep inside we know that “Hotpie” is the prince who was promised

@nicograms

4 жыл бұрын

Sujit Thapa Exactly

@nicograms

4 жыл бұрын

All hail Hotpie

Maybe we will get game of thrones brotherhood when the books are finished

@tjjordan4207

4 жыл бұрын

At first I thought you meant the Brotherhood without banners until I remembered lol

@wakkjobbwizard

4 жыл бұрын

What is brotherhood?

@UltimateKyuubiFox

4 жыл бұрын

butterpastor The original anime adaptation of Fullmetal Alchemist didn’t have the completed manga source material to work with, so Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood was made years later to actually follow it. This is a turn of phrase based on that.

@muguiwaranosongoku

4 жыл бұрын

that would be great, the only problem is what about the cast of the show ? at this point it wouldn't be got without most of them

@Darkar251

4 жыл бұрын

Rodrigo Monteiro Animated Series. Casterly Rock, Storm’s End, the real Eyrie, Lady Stoneheart, Hightower, Real Euron, Young Griff, all Starks Warging... so much things animation could bring to live

I never stopped talking about rickon. I am still so bitter about this character that had so much potential to be amazing. A stark raised by a wildling.

@butt317

4 жыл бұрын

I just forgot he died and started wondering what happened to him

@peaceout4132

4 жыл бұрын

Rickon also don't play a major role in books, I haven't read about him in the last 3 books, seems like he is not a important character

@tofty7910

4 жыл бұрын

PEACE OUT seems like he will be important in the next book, the Manderlys and Glovers among others tasked Davos with finding Rickon so they can rally around him as Lord of Winterfell

@ZeoSleeps

4 жыл бұрын

@@ER-pp6dz but they don't develop sansa or Arya or Jon, they have them just say random shit, make stupid choices and take away their Dept.

@gfilmer7150

4 жыл бұрын

@@ER-pp6dz He's developed more in the books. And he's got a bigger role in the next book

I still cant believe people thought Jon would die the same season he was revived. The battle of the bastards just had me waiting to see how he would get out of harm's way. All my friends thought I was insane for not feeling the danger for jon. But HE JUST CAME BACK TO LIFE.

@luc7478

3 жыл бұрын

Same for me, what's the poit pf reviving a character just to die few episodes later, what it bothers me is the fact that Jon resurrection never brought back again .

Doran Martell, the Prince of Dorne, is killed. All the houses of Dorne do...nothing. The assassin's "House Sand?!" meet with great houses like Tyrell. The assassins are killed by the Lannisters and the houses of Dorne...just pick a new Prince. This is how the show broke for me. The world ceased to be a lived in real one and events only mattered as was convenient for Benioff and Weiss.

@williamapple7705

3 жыл бұрын

Dorne was such a hack job. "Yeah, uh, these bastards killed all of the ruling family because they thought the ruling family wasn't making enough power moves, despite the fact that every single one of the bastards being related to the ruling family, making them kin slayers. But we will just wave it off as weird Dornish culture, which we rarely explore or give an explanation to in the show, that allows the other Dornish nobles to fall in line."

“And Rickon is not important” Literally I kept forgetting him throughout the show so whenever he turned up I was just so confused.

@The_Chef2511

4 жыл бұрын

I seriously only knew it was Rickon because I remembered Shaggydog's pelt.

@usul573

4 жыл бұрын

It was like who? Oh right. Almost forgot. If we cared about him more, if he had a true story line, then his death would have been emotional. Instead of just...oh right we don't really have a story for him so he'll die.

@THEPELADOMASTER

4 жыл бұрын

Tbh, the same thing happens in the books.

@NineSun001

4 жыл бұрын

@@THEPELADOMASTER I kinda like this. Not everyone gets to play a huge world altering part. Maybe he was that, just a kid loved by his family. Maybe we should have seen him a little more often, just being loved and cared for, that would've helped.

@Nunuu35

3 жыл бұрын

I really hoped he would turn out as a twist.

Also, episodes 3 and 4 gave me serious whiplash. I thought Sam and Brienne were dead. Sam was getting swarmed by zombies... I felt a bit robbed.

@wakkjobbwizard

4 жыл бұрын

zombies?

@996vlada

4 жыл бұрын

@@wakkjobbwizard Reanimated undead are zombies, don't start with semantics

@joesubel

4 жыл бұрын

That was some serious plot armor + Deus ex machinas. Guess they had to live so that they could have the Disney ending where they all lived happily ever after minus Daenerys and Jon Snow.

@haillobster7154

4 жыл бұрын

You were starkly Robbed of your expectations.

@razbuten

4 жыл бұрын

Honestly, as much as I love Sam and want the sweet boy to be happy, imagine if he had died because Jon ran by him in order to fight the night king. COULDA BEEN A REALLY GOOD DEATH.

I DID like Theon's death. It came right at the end of his arc, and was the only one I felt sorry for

@razbuten

4 жыл бұрын

I can admit that I didn't hate his or Jorah's, I just felt like those characters kind of did nothing for 2 seasons JUST so they could die in the Battle of Winterfell

@pokeslim

4 жыл бұрын

But let's say he didnt die, and arya finished night king before he finished off theon...how does that change the story at all given the last 4 episodes?

@wolverineminer

4 жыл бұрын

I still think that should have been Jaime instead. Maybe have Theon protect Rickon (who lived in this version) and the people in the crypt?

@darthgramcracker6359

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I thought Theon was going to be a far more major character in the later seasons, the idea of him standing up to Ramsay to save Sansa is so compelling, but the show felt so rushed at that point it lacked emotional payoff

@pyro380

Жыл бұрын

Did we even get a reaction from his sister to his death? I don´t remember.

*1 minute of Tyrion rearranging chairs*

Hearing the Stark music when you talked about Ned gave me serious chills reminding me how good the show was. The last two seasons don't exist in my eyes.

@hihowareya2209

4 жыл бұрын

Season 7 is better than season 6 lol

@bbarrettgriffith

4 жыл бұрын

Hi How Are Ya are you kidding me? Season 7 is arguably just as if not worse than Season 8, Season 6 has worse writing than the first 4 seasons but it’s still the best season since season 4.

@saikrishnan8277

4 жыл бұрын

Last 4 seasons for me.

@hihowareya2209

4 жыл бұрын

@@bbarrettgriffith lol no

@bbarrettgriffith

4 жыл бұрын

Hi How Are Ya Season 7 is hot garbage

I've spent a lot of time thinking about a parallel universe where this show ended well. Imagine how incredible of an accomplishment it would have been to take this marathon-length series telling one of the most highly-produced and daring stories ever and wrap it up neatly. It seems like fantasy shows don't get the privilege of having that kind of finale - it's ten years on and the internet's discourse surrounding Lost is still primarily "show good, but ending bad?". Maybe we'll get that satisfaction one day.

@javaterry1661

4 жыл бұрын

Try Avatar Last Airbender the TV series

@thatdoylekid4292

4 жыл бұрын

Game of thrones: Brotherhood?

@jazzwell

4 жыл бұрын

@@javaterry1661 The Last Airbender is good, but according to a lot of people Korra is bad and stains the original series.

@sagewaterdragon

4 жыл бұрын

@no one The fantasy show part of that was important, there are lot of dramas with great endings.

@leolima1638

4 жыл бұрын

I would recommend Preston Jacobs "How to Fix" series about Game of Thrones, he takes the same plot points and start to end of the season he did it, but good god, not half assing the story make a hell of difference.

The death that had the most effect on everything was Tywin's he was the only man that was capable of holding everything together. Not a single person was as capable as he was

@Sheamuscz

Жыл бұрын

Yes. All of that, only to get killed in a privy by his son he despises the most.

@shinebanana4084

Жыл бұрын

robert held things togheter aswell tbh

@JJ-nu8qi

Жыл бұрын

True but he's the only one with money power and intelligence enough to scare most into submission.

@concept5631

Жыл бұрын

Nah Tywin relied too much as brutality and fear and should've treated Tyrion better. Ironic. He cared so much about public image and legacy, yet left his house, that he committed so many atrocities for, to his insane daughter and underqualified son. In the books, were it not for Kevan, it would've completely fallen apart with Cersei.

@shinebanana4084

Жыл бұрын

@@concept5631 tywins only failure were his kids

I still remember how sad I was when Ygritte or Ned died. Daenys death should have been even more intense than those two combined yet I felt nothing

"In stead it asks viewers to fill in the gaps that the show didn't have time to explore" You mean 'didn't care to explore'. They could have had all the time in the world but they just wanted to get it over with

@Zeverinsen

4 жыл бұрын

Honestly, knowing that they literally had all the time and money they could ever need for the show available, just makes the end result all the more infuriating. It angered me in the same way finding out Bojack Horseman was cancelled by Netflix for no reason did. GoT ended badly because those two idiots are fucking inconsiderate, greedy and narcissistic ass holes. I will never forget it.

@Jack-kx5rf

4 жыл бұрын

If they included everything in the books it wouldn't have ended for 20 seasons, plus more once the last two are brought out.

@josephustheinvestigator2433

4 жыл бұрын

@@Jack-kx5rf Yes because I said they have to include *every single thing in the books*, and not that they should at least fill in the gaps they leave in the writing of the show. Fuck off with this strawmannery, if you're gonna respond to comments try to understand what the comment says please.

Ned's death also helped to establish Joffrey's character. In the beginning of the show, Ned has to execute a man for the crime of abandoning the Night's Watch. Ned explains to Jon that the person who passes down the judgement should be the one to swing the sword: Honor is in accountability and taking responsibility for decisions you make, not just ordering those decisions in a way where you don't have to get your hands dirty. The fact that Joffrey ordered Ned to be executed, bur ordered someone else to actually execute him shows him to be dishonorable, it shows him to be a liar, because he told Sansa and his mother that he would spare Ned's life. It shows that he likes to use his power, but that he doesn't care about accountability. He doesn't want to lead the nation into prosperity, he doesn't care what other people think about a situation, he doesn't follow advice, and he strikes down the moral center of the show, which shows that he doesn't care about morality or what the "right" thing to do is.

@zer0w0lf94

4 жыл бұрын

Krysten Cabbage I noticed you typed “bur” instead of “but” between “executed” and “ordered.”

@ErickSoares3

4 жыл бұрын

" Ned explains to Jon..." Wasn't Bran?

@NineSun001

4 жыл бұрын

I think this whole "he who order should also be the one who smite" isn't applicable here. We are talking about a child even Theon isn't able to execute a man in one swing. So that brat would not have been able to kill Ned properly.

@zoglou1036

4 жыл бұрын

@@NineSun001 Sure, I mean he probably lacked the physical strength to do it. Whats more important though, is even if he had the physical strength, he lacks honor and would never dirty his own hands. He is the total opposite of everything Ned stood for. Establishing that is what makes him such a great and hate-able character

Wont lie I was expecting a scene when after kingslanding was taken they show ellaria being released from a cell with the bones of her daughter sitting across from her (probably gone slightly insane). But nope. She was forgotten and probably crushed in rubble along with cerci.

Season 1-4: Gods the writing was strong then.

This video should've been called *"Game of Thrones: To Kill Or Not To Kill"* Still a great video though

@razbuten

4 жыл бұрын

FUCK. GOD DAMN THAT IS GOOD

@Doctor-Infinite

4 жыл бұрын

@@razbuten OMG HE RESPONDS! Thnx I'm glad you liked it😂😂

@ShadowVghost

4 жыл бұрын

@@razbuten IIRC you can rename it. Seems like algorithms didn't picked up the video which is strange.

@gfilmer7150

4 жыл бұрын

@@razbuten Renly's a total narcissist. He probably would've been a half decent ruler at best but he shoulda stuck with Stannis instead playing into his own ego for his boyfriend.

Dude, you fixed the plot with a bunch of simple changes. BRILLIANT.

@gfilmer7150

4 жыл бұрын

Did he bring Stannis back?

@gfilmer7150

4 жыл бұрын

@FORREST GUMP Yes, but I was in a rush so I didn't have time to type the whole thing

Two of my biggest disappointments (other than season 8): 1. No consequences for cersei destroying the sept 2. Jon Snow didn't stay dead. He became the most annoying character to me because he could get into any situation and escape unscathed

@orssidia

4 жыл бұрын

Anjelica Snorcket lmao like I’m sure the Stannis loyalists at Storm’s End will just happily step aside for their new lord 😂

@animecatalog9194

Жыл бұрын

I think he’s supposed to live, even in the books. Everything points to that

@Ruzzky_Bly4t

Жыл бұрын

@@animecatalog9194 Yeah, but this just creates plot armour, which goes against the whole identity of GoT. If he has to live, don't kill him in the first place.

@animecatalog9194

Жыл бұрын

@@Ruzzky_Bly4t there are multiple characters that return to life in the books. Its not plot armor, its just plot

@Ruzzky_Bly4t

Жыл бұрын

@@animecatalog9194 But in the series, John snow clearly avoids death in many occasions when it made little sense. If he would be brought back from the dead, smd then returned to normal that would be fine. But sadly he just received his brand new set of plot armor.

You present an amazing alternative to the Night King's ending. How AMAZING would it have been if the significance of the Three Eyed Raven was really revealed, having an immense weight to it, and then the Night King kills him, ridding the world of the Three Eyed Raven forever? Even if he was immediately killed after that, it would have resonated (with me, at least) far more, as he achieved one of his main goals and stole a miracle to humanity... and then they all had to deal with that afterwards.DAMM! Bran felt useless and the Three Eyed Raven felt not all-powerful, just simply all-creepy.

@semicolon.advocate

4 жыл бұрын

that's a great idea!! much better than anything bran did in the last two seasons

@misterhanimal

4 жыл бұрын

@@semicolon.advocate Thank you!

Funny how Ned, Robert and Tywin were soo important even after death while some other characters disappeared from the plot's importance after death.

@VolkorelArgili

4 жыл бұрын

lmao some even didnt die before their disappearence. Seriously fuck DD

@doxasophosmoros

4 жыл бұрын

The books won't ever be finished and you won't hear from Rickon again, anyway. George can't even figure out what to do with Jon , Dany and Tyrion, ayra, Cersei,Jaime, tommen , Littlefinger (my fave character) , margaery and the Tyrells (other faves of mine), let alone Varys and samwell, Davos etc... Rickon is so far down that list!!! He doesn't give a fuck ! He can't even manage his main characters and worse, he's added way more!!! And now the story has changed entirely! Now it's all about Dorne etc and it proves all we invested in was just filler and red herrings, he is a soap writer, not a true narrative /tome writer. He writes short stories and this is like a bunch of those .. he never expected people like you to actually expect an ending. He never intended for one. You're not an artist or a writer, you don't understand the mind of an escapist , hyper sensitive artist...he's just a regular dude. He's not a genius at all. You just have no creativity which is why you don't understand how it is to have a great talent but not the ability to follow it through... It's something some creative talents struggle with. I'm one of them and Grrm mist feel this pressure x10000, Ican see that people put Grrm on a pedestal ,which feels good but also sucks cause then you have to live up to the expectations. To put it simply.. George's hype has exceeded his abilities. That's it. It's self explanatory. There's nothing deeper going on.with George. He just can't finish. And he should have outlined his story instead of adding filler and bullshit new characters... But it's too late now and if he admits he screwed up, he loses.. he can't win because he also won't ever finish. He's actually said he won't ever fiNish. He said it was never meant to end and used Tolkien (pathetic, he's obsessed with his idol... ) As an example , to suit himself. He's just a mediocre writer who lucked out with HBO ny meeting Dan anddabe. George was not very famous before Hbo. Unlike most book authors.. That says alot. .. think.about it. He's no rowling or even 50 shades of grey lol.. he's just another nerd who got lucky. His scripts for 1980s twilight also sucked and are the worst rated in the series. He's overrated as heck.

@romulorafael5563

4 жыл бұрын

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@wackafloka942

4 жыл бұрын

all the Starks continuously talked about Ned’s death and to a lesser extent Robb’s but it seemed like they didn’t care about Catelyn at all lmfao

28:03 that is a KILLER edit. Fire, literally.

How the show should’ve ended “All Hail The Night King The First of His Name, Conqueror of the Andals, the Rhoynar, and the First Men, Master Of Dragons, Bringer of Winter, Lord of the Vast White North and Necromancer of Westeros” - dead eyed Wights applause

@anna-flora999

Жыл бұрын

Ie, nothing and nobody we cared about mattered and it was all a huge waste of time

100% spot-on. I hope they remake the series in 2037 when the books are finally complete.

@jakubratajczak9269

2 жыл бұрын

*2077

Your vid speaks volumes. We see the let down and sloppy, lazy writing. (D&D) wanted to end it and they shifted characters around to fit their means. It was sooo disappointing. Could have been so much more.

@leocossham

4 жыл бұрын

Honestly the best I've seen attempting to dissect in depth the fall of GoT

@doxasophosmoros

4 жыл бұрын

The books won't ever be finished and you won't hear from Rickon again, anyway. George can't even figure out what to do with Jon , Dany and Tyrion, ayra, Cersei,Jaime, tommen , Littlefinger (my fave character) , margaery and the Tyrells (other faves of mine), let alone Varys and samwell, Davos etc... Rickon is so far down that list!!! He doesn't give a fuck ! He can't even manage his main characters and worse, he's added way more!!! And now the story has changed entirely! Now it's all about Dorne etc and it proves all we invested in was just filler and red herrings, he is a soap writer, not a true narrative /tome writer. He writes short stories and this is like a bunch of those .. he never expected people like you to actually expect an ending. He never intended for one. You're not an artist or a writer, you don't understand the mind of an escapist , hyper sensitive artist...he's just a regular dude. He's not a genius at all. You just have no creativity which is why you don't understand how it is to have a great talent but not the ability to follow it through... It's something some creative talents struggle with. I'm one of them and Grrm mist feel this pressure x10000, Ican see that people put Grrm on a pedestal ,which feels good but also sucks cause then you have to live up to the expectations. To put it simply.. George's hype has exceeded his abilities. That's it. It's self explanatory. There's nothing deeper going on.with George. He just can't finish. And he should have outlined his story instead of adding filler and bullshit new characters... But it's too late now and if he admits he screwed up, he loses.. he can't win because he also won't ever finish. He's actually said he won't ever fiNish. He said it was never meant to end and used Tolkien (pathetic, he's obsessed with his idol... ) As an example , to suit himself. He's just a mediocre writer who lucked out with HBO ny meeting Dan anddabe. George was not very famous before Hbo. Unlike most book authors.. That says alot. .. think.about it. He's no rowling or even 50 shades of grey lol.. he's just another nerd who got lucky. His scripts for 1980s twilight also sucked and are the worst rated in the series. He's overrated as heck.

I thought Rickon was becoming quite wild, as is shown in his wolf. They dropped the ball on this, but it could have been quite compelling. We'll see what happens in the books.

@manofhonor1685

4 жыл бұрын

His dog is named "shaggydog" which has its implications.. I dont think much will pan out with rickon

@minisquigy

4 жыл бұрын

Well what they truly dropped the ball on was not including the Stark siblings warging which only Bran can do in the show, all siblings can warg in the books with Arya being the most gifted besides Bran as she can warg into multiple cats at the same time in Braavos when she is blinded(no problem for her) and even able to warg into Nymeria across the sea in Westeros. George was asked by a fan if it was possible to warg into a dragon, that would have been cool in the show but nope. Rickon was as wild as Shaggydog because of their close bond and youth.

@BlackNinjaFTW

4 жыл бұрын

It would have been great if the northerners found Rickon and wanted him to be heir and then realized he was too wild. So then some corrupt turncloaks give him to Ramsey. That would have been spicy

@dylans4370

4 жыл бұрын

Lmao you think he'll actually finish

@doxasophosmoros

4 жыл бұрын

@Sebastian Hackembruch Grrm said himself the ending is the same. He has no end point for most Characters . GEORGE HIMSELF says this.. Rickonis another throw away who means nothing. There's like 1000 characters, and Grrm abandoned Rickon long ago.. like he has with many characters. He's a soap opera writer , he doesn't finish arcs. Ever.

This video puts into words many feelings I have clearly had about Game of Thrones but could never articulate to others.

Shireen’s death did have fallout though. It lead to Selyse killing herself, and Stannis’s men leaving in mass with the horses directly leading to his loss against Ramsey’s forces and his death, bringing an end to the War of the Five Kings.

The white walkers winning would have been so good

@SerMattzio

4 жыл бұрын

I was hoping there would be a twist. Like they would destroy King's Landing because it's such a sinful messed up place, and then they would go back to the North again. An implication that they have some sort of morality. It was never explained why they spared Sam in Season 2, for example.

@The_Chef2511

4 жыл бұрын

Considering the odd relationship between Martin and FromSoftware it would be amusing if The Others were a bulwark against a force of magic Westeros knew nothing about because of the interference of the Maesters and that they have to cut a swath through the living to reach it because it risks extinction if tapped.

@Lalvon_Zelpharr

4 жыл бұрын

That's how I probably would have ended the show

@pokeslim

4 жыл бұрын

I'm pretty sure thats how GRRM will end the books. He said that the white walkers are an allegory for climate change, and jon snow and the nights watch are basically the scientist that nobody will listen too, and the threat grows unstoppable while the leadership wastes time with frivolous politics.

@Dylan_Devine

4 жыл бұрын

What if the Night Walkers won, but not everyone died? I think an incredible ending would have been if the Night Walkers won, and after crushing every army in their path and absorbing it, a small band of survivors flees south and takes a rowboat to sea-maybe Arya and Tyrion are the only main characters who survive since she mentioned wanting to see what was South beyond the map. The show could end with Arya, Tyrion and a couple others drifting at sea in a tiny boat, starving and dying of dehydration, when they spot land in the distance and the show ends. Or maybe have Sam as a survivor too and have it hinted that he’s the only scribe who bore witness to the events of Westeros.

I remember when I read the first book, and had to re-read Ned's death because I was sure I read it wrong.

@TheFran2555

4 жыл бұрын

I watched the show first and run to buy the first book bc i refused to believed that "the hero" died

@rhythmandblues_alibi

4 жыл бұрын

When I first read the book Ned's death made me so upset and mad at GRRM I refused to keep reading and it was a year before I picked up the next book!!

@lordodysseus

4 жыл бұрын

I started reading the books before I watched the show, even though it was about to air the third season, and when Joffrey called for Ned's execution, I _knew_ Robb would show up with an army to save him like Theoden did in Return of the King to save Gandalf from the Witch King. It would have been perfect. Then Ned gets his head cut off and and Robb dies 2,000 pages later. I look back at that and think to myself what a sweet summer child I was. George created Beric Dondarrion and Lady Stoneheart because Gandalf leveling up pissed him off so much. Two of the most tragic and brutal characters in the books.

@NineSun001

4 жыл бұрын

Yes I remember his death. My hearth just sacked. Imagine someone so could at telling stories that you feel the loss of a fictional character. I still rember it to this day, that is insanly good writing.

Wow, I legit didn’t even realize none of the stark kids mentioned Rikon at all when they meet again

With regard to the Night King, I think there were 2 ways for his end to be satisfying. The first way would require him be the final bad guy in the entire show. Killing him off in the 4th episode does not match the caliber of the threat he poses, the show needed to resolve all the petty conflicts with humans first and then face him as the final enemy. This would have also fit what the Night King represents: an existential threat. It should have been that any characters who are selfish enough to care more about the own power than the White Walkers would be killed while only those who unite to fight the larger threat should live. It is infuriating that Cersei does not care about the Night King but she suffers no consequence. She gets off scot-free because Jon, Dany, and the rest save her only for her (and later Dany) to be the final bad guys. No sir, if Cersei did not take the Night King seriously she should have been punished for her hubris and died to him. I think it would have been enormously satisfying and purposeful for the Night King to make it all the way down to Kings Landing and kill Cersei and everyone else who didn't take him seriously. I don't think the Night King wants to sit on the Iron Throne (or maybe he does, he does seem intelligent) but the image of him doing would feel so symbolic. The living didn't do anything so now death rules. And then if you don't want that to be the ending (because that's too dark, even for Game of Thrones) then you can have all the remaining people finally unite to defeat him. Now is the time for the characters to realize that all their petty disagreements are useless and in the aftermath of his defeat, I think all the characters can finally realize that fighting is wrong to establish a more peaceful future. I know there's problem with how the Night King making it so far south as that would mean like half of Westeros would either be refugees or dead (thus adding to the Night King's army) but I still think it's more satisfying and doable than him only making it to Winterfell with no impact on the story's greater plot. The second option besides defeating the Night's King is, dare I say it, simply talking to him. In a story about how no one is truly good or truly evil I think showing that even the White Walkers can be reasoned with is especially powerful when up to this point, they are depicted as an ultimate evil. Give us a reason for what the White Walkers marched South in the first place. Maybe they felt threatened by Westeros, maybe the First Men broke a treaty with them and they are seeking justice, maybe the Night King is like any other King and just wants more land under his rule. Show us that the White Walkers are ironically human and defeating them requires treating them like humans. And while other armies were defeated with wars, that is not feasible when it comes to the Night King since he is too powerful. Make it so the Night King is not killed by leaves because they negotiate a treaty with him or something. It would be so powerful to not end a war with violence but with word. It would also prove the show's core themes of the pointlessness of violence and force the characters who survived to build a better future. And of course it also futures the theme of unity and existentialism because the people of Westeros only win when they put aside their differences and work together to talk to and come to terms with the White Walkers. (And in case the idea of negotiating with the White Walkers seems too out there, there is precedent for it in the books. Craster clearly has some kind of deal with the White Walkers which is why they don't kill him. And ancient legends in Westeros seems to imply that the First Men had some sort of deal with them too. Perhaps this forgotten deal is why the White Walkers march south, they are seeking retribution for a broken treaty.)

I too am very pissed about Barristan's ridiculous death Also I'm super glad that I'm not the only one who wanted The Night King to win

@lasagna312

4 жыл бұрын

The actor was also pissed about Barristan's ridiculous death. He said something along the lines of "I read the books and I was expecting to have more to do in the story"

@vynonyoutube1418

4 жыл бұрын

@@lasagna312 He even tried to convince D&D to remain true to the books. And as you can tell it didn't work.

@chasm671

4 жыл бұрын

@@vynonyoutube1418 D&D "don't really see the value in listening to others' opinions".

The show was simply too rushed at the end. They needed a couple more seasons to deal with the Night King, Cersei and the Three-eyed Raven properly.

@vynonyoutube1418

4 жыл бұрын

HBO even offered more seasons to D&D, but they refused.

@Lalvon_Zelpharr

4 жыл бұрын

@@vynonyoutube1418 Yeah cuz they wanted to make a Star Wars show that's not even going to happen now. So they basically rushed the last two seasons of the show for nothing fucking idiots

@aapjew18

3 жыл бұрын

In a way I think I'm glad it was over with quickly. These guys seem too incompetent to make the show correctly no matter how many seasons they'd be given. Better a quick clear failure than a long drawn out decline into mediocrity.

@Void_Dweller7

3 жыл бұрын

@@vynonyoutube1418 D&D wanted to “wrap up” the show in 7 seasons, but HBO compelled them to make an 8th.

@vynonyoutube1418

3 жыл бұрын

@@Void_Dweller7 You've gotta be fucking kidding me. They wanted to rush EVEN MORE?!

Dude, you really explain the domino effect of character deaths really well in this video, great job.

the ending you explained to be better with jon dying in the battle against the night king, with sansa not helping dany and dany losing it gave me chills, i so wish it ended like that, so much better 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

The best way to end the NK's story line would have been to have him win in the North. Not necessarily at winterfell (because that feels like an unecessary, all-in battle that would preclude retreat, and which neither side would have wanted), but in some kind of pitched battle. Characters die. the Northern/Targaeryen army is decimated (not destroyed, because they sacrifice their rearguard to cover a retreat). They flee south, losing men along the way, knowing that if they do reach the south, Cersei will just order them executed and then (likely) die to the NK. That's where Arya comes in. Not fighting Wights like an anime ninja, not teleporting to the NK to kill him, but using the actual assassination skills that she has developed for several seasons to infiltrate the Red Keep, kill Cersei, and take her place to order the Lannister army to fight alongside the Starks/Targaryens. This creates the potential for tension with Jaime, who probably wouldn't condone murdering Cersei for any reason, Jon (who probably isn't down with assassination, period), and raises the potential for Arya to be killed by one of Cersei's enemies seeking revenge. Then we get the final battle between the living and the dead, at King's Landing, not at Winterfell. Maybe something happens that causes Dany to burn the city (for instance, the NK raises the dead from the city's graves and charnel pits, and they start to overwhelm and turn the civilians, so Dany burns the city rather than have it turned into Wights. Some characters may interpret this as madness. Some characters may not be willing to follow a Queen who can sacrifice thousands of civilians to win a war (even if the sacrifice was necessary). Again, potential for future tension and conflict. The living likely win, but the earlier losses (and deaths, which should include major characters) raise the possibility that they might not. Oh, and Euron chokes on a fishbone and dies a humiliating and preventable death, as befits his terrible character.

@zach3394

4 жыл бұрын

YES that last part would've been the most satisfying death for him. I literally hated him. Not because he was a hatable character like Jeoffry though, but because he was such an insufferable bore to watch.

@rachaelb8100

4 жыл бұрын

This is the first "mad queen" arc I've heard that actually makes sense in the context of her character

@markkay4224

4 жыл бұрын

my story would go like this. jon is face to face with the knight king. and he is clearly losing the battle. just keep this in the back of ur mind, but if u remember that one scene where samwell tarly is in the snow, a white walker passes him and keeps going. not sure why but they seem to kind of pay him no mind. while snow and NK are battling, samwell comes from behind and uses a obsidian dagger to stab him in the heart, similar to jojen reed killing the best fighter in the land, Arthur Dayne, from behind and "giving" the kill to Ned Stark during the tower of joy scene. Samwell always wanted to be a wizard, and just as he was able to heal mormont from his stone sickness, he would heal all those white walkers from their "sickness". Afterall, he did save little Samwell from becoming a white, now he finishes the job and saves them all. the first guy to kill a white walker, the first to kill a then, and first to "kill" the knight king. this next part is a bit out there, but jon snow was good at converting ppl. he was able to take a bunch of misfits and law-breakers to join him and believe in the cause of the night watch of the wall. remember at first they didnt like him, but then he became Commander. Then he was also able to have the wildlings north of the wall join his side to help protect lives from the much bigger threat of the white walkers. after samwell had turned the white walkers back into normal humans, he would, as he did before, have these "bad guys" come join him and fight the powers of king's landing. even as crazy as that sounds, its still better than the show.

@SableAradia1

4 жыл бұрын

I like your ending much better, Spencer. That's good work. Write us a novel, you've got a good sense of story.

@Ru136

4 жыл бұрын

Spencer Gillespie yes this is beautiful and perfect. Why does your comment not have more likes?

The deaths from S5 onward were all hollow and lacking consequences. Cause and effect matters.

@TheAkwarium

4 жыл бұрын

I'm still bitter about Ser Barristan, he died so quickly and randomly, it was disappointing

@Frogface91

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheAkwarium The actor was upset too, he'd read the books and was completely shocked.

@TheAkwarium

4 жыл бұрын

@@Frogface91 you noticed that they just decided to kill off characters they had no use for anymore? or characters that they didn't know what to do with or were too complicated to write? lol

@Frogface91

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheAkwarium Haha, yup. Good writing went out the bloody window.

@gfilmer7150

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheAkwarium Same, him and Stannis

Long summary short: Setups with no payoff. Expected payoff without setups. What early got did well was establishing the cycle of Setup and Payoff through death. Setup leads to payoff (death) and those death then leads to more setups.

"Rocks fall everyone dies"

Damn man you made me realize exactly why deaths in the later seasons felt so hollow. Great job this really is something incredible.

@Rannos22

4 жыл бұрын

They also didnt introduce most of the new characters the last couple books did so the world got smaller and the story more simplistic with each character death

One of my biggest queries about the show was the lack of attention given to Jon's death. This was a guy that died and came back to life. Everyone in the nights watch and the wildling's saw this or knew this. They traveled into the north so they would've had interactions with other people. How did word not spread about this news of Jon. This would've been a crucial argument for Jon sitting on the iron throne, not only is he the rightful heir, but he's the man that came back from the dead, the man that overcame death incarnate (the night king). Just the fact that Jon died and came back to life and everyone was just meh about it screams inconsistency in the later seasons of the show. Actions and major events have little to no consequences, when the long night was overcome (in just one night lol) every single character forgot about it, I can't even remember it being mentioned after it was all over, just straight on to the next battle like they had some sort of checklist.

@Grassrope123

4 жыл бұрын

Got: *implies you lose a bit of your soul when you come back to life and that Jon would become much darker and ruthless after being betrayed by his own brothers* Also Got: Lol nah anyways here's Jon letting everyone and anyone walk over him while saying "I don't want it"

@anna-flora999

Жыл бұрын

I mean, there's was this other guy who got resurrected a couple of times in the books, and noone really made a big deal out of it beyond "oh yeah, these eternal flame priests have some pretty need abilities"

@Mike90317

Жыл бұрын

"I dun wunt it"

You summed up how I felt about Dany in legit 3 sentences, I'm so happy someone else gets it. I'm not just a crazy Dany fan. It was kinda dumb. It just wasn't worth it.

Worst part is HBO wanted the last season to be longer.

@cashuflakbreakdancer

4 жыл бұрын

They green lit 3 more seasons I believe but D&D wanted to wrap things up and move on the their star wars trilogy which they backed out of haha. I doubt they'll get jobs again without huge backlash from fans

THANK YOU! When friends asked me what I thought of season 8, first thing I said was the night king should’ve won, at _least_ the battle of winter fell. It just feels like the most logical conclusion that viewers would’ve refused to see coming.

@wicketman2339

4 жыл бұрын

the cavalry rushing into their death, the trebutchets on the front line, the DITCHES BEHIND THE FORCES. I feel like they did all this stupid shit just to make it more one sided for the night king. What shouldve happened, they used all of their intellect and wit to properly lay defenses, traps, and procedures. They try their hardest to man a defense, and then still lose. To show the hopelessness of fighting head to head against an absurd power. Then, they resort to assassination attempts from that point on.

@KanohiVahi

4 жыл бұрын

@@wicketman2339 Oh man this would have been so good :( Especially the showing hopelessness part. What we got instead was side characters that were expendable dying and basically every main character covered by plot armor and the night king defeated in the most anticlimatic way possible. Oh well..

@SerMattzio

4 жыл бұрын

@@wicketman2339 Yes! They could have lost the massive battle at Winterfell, resulting in the deaths of Jaime, Pod and Sam (or similarly popular characters). Then Cersei attacks to take advantage of the loss but gets beaten by the Night King too, finally being killed by a wight version of Jaime. This leaves a last desperate attack on the White Walkers by Jon and Dany on their dragons, which they barely manage to win. Jon faces down the Night King and kills him, but dies in the process - regardless, he dies with a smile on his face. You could then have Dany go mad and actually have a reason for it...or you could have her die instead of Jon, and Jon rules fairly. Either ending would have been so much better.

@naverilllang

4 жыл бұрын

He should have won given how idiotic those battle plans were.

@naverilllang

4 жыл бұрын

He should have won given how idiotic those battle plans were.

Rickard Karstark was a very important death too which had consequences to Rob's war.

@Lalvon_Zelpharr

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah they lost the Karstark Army

Jaime and Varys and Dany some of my favorite characters and I literally forgot they died and how badly done it was versus I remember so well more minor characters deaths because they actually mean something. You raise really good point

I remember that I got to have the crazy idea that Aerys shouted "burn them all", because he had a vision of the king of the night coming to king's landing, vision that left him insane (like hodor), so he filled the city with wild fire to stop it, haha

I hated season 7 and hadn't got high expectations about the final season, but still... it was much disappointed. The worst episode for me was the Battle of Winterfell. There were so many scenes when a character was in a life threatening situation, (like a few second from a definate death stab/bite), and that moment the camera cut to another character who was soon in the same situation, and so on, so on... frustrating. All of the extras die like flies but none of the main characters is even seriously wounded. Not even Sam. And then the most underwhelming death in the series, the death of the big baddie of GoT, the King of the mysterious Others, a necromancer who lived thousands of years for this moment, who was presented to us from the beggining of the series as the prime evil force in that universe... and this guy got stabbed by a teen girl who somehow passed unnoticed by his highly skilled soldiers and jumped on him out of thin air screaming like crazy. Oh, and she didn't froze the moment he touched her because... she's Arya Stark. There was nothing, absolutely nothing, she could do to die in the last 4 seasons. Basically an immortal. And that's the end of the battle, the and of the war, the end of winter... an the end of GoT for me.

@klaroscoven6968

4 жыл бұрын

Theon isn’t an extra.

@jecal2855

4 жыл бұрын

Lol theon's death was horrible bran could a just been like theon just stand still aryan coming but naw

@TheMoonatDawn

4 жыл бұрын

It was stupid Ayra killing the NK the way she did, but it would have been just as stupid Jon doing it. That's unfortunately the way the show was going. Jon had escaped death in the most stupid ways in previous episodes and seasons and even in that particular episode, that's why they didn't give it to him, it would have been too much. It was better it being Ayra than Jon. Besides, it was silly anyway how killing the NK killed all the other WW and wights, it was just dumb after 8 seasons of build up. In the books I'm sure it'll be handled very differently if GRR ever finishes them.

@TheAkwarium

4 жыл бұрын

Arya's plot armor turned out to be stronger than the wall

@rocktooth7723

4 жыл бұрын

The New Khan z

Everything in the show started with the death of Jon Arryn, rather than the death of Eddard Stark.

To further your point, Razbuten: I was legit sad in the first part of this video concerning major death, the later deaths actually spurred some anger in me, rather than heartbreak

Thank God I stopped at season 4. I'll just read the novels.

@marywilcox3102

4 жыл бұрын

You'll be happier for it.

@willberman1562

3 жыл бұрын

I’m almost done with the first audiobook, the show didn’t deviate much from it but it’s still so much better

@Rainbowhawk1993

3 жыл бұрын

Same here. Read/Listened to all five books beforehand and finished Season 4 tonight. All there’s left to do is listen to the fan rewrites for season five onwards and start watching Westworld.

@Josh-cn5yp

3 жыл бұрын

Season 6, especially Episode 10, is truly a work of art though

I like how when you went through all of the 'bad' stuff you didn't shit all over it. You carefully picked out every mistake and tried to find the hidden meaning behind it, you didn't just call it bad and not give a valid reason and at its worst everything in the last season is actually okay and I feel you conveyed that very well. Great video!

@razbuten

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you! I still think the later seasons are better than most tv shows, they just lack the detail of the earlier seasons, and that’s what I wanted to examine. I’m glad that that idea got across.

Jesus christ, the GOT soundtrack is so good it makes me sad over how it ended

that moment when Varys' character and legacy overshadows his death.

This analysis is spot on and summarizes a lot of my own thoughts and feelings of the series! Well done

I forgot about half the deaths from seasons 5 to 7

@ipsumcontumelia6973

4 жыл бұрын

They aren’t memorable, aren’t they?

"Jon is walking the thin line of posing to be a wildling and being one and Rickon is... not important" this killed me lmao

"Deaths of convenience" is the staple of psychological storytelling. The books (and by extension a part of the show) relied on social storytelling: a method where social institutes that the characters are parts of play a much bigger role in the development of the story than the characters themselves. Under this method a hero doing something rash and stupid is likely to die because the big story doesn't care about little person's motivations: social wheels keep on turning. And that's what made it unique. When they ran out of books, the show switched into the only method Hollywood knows: psychological storytelling. The one where characters come first, and big picture (i.e. logic and reason) is always secondary. One big difference between deaths in social and pscyhological methods is that in social stories a death is unexpected because the viewer/reader can clearly imagine what the character has in store for themselves. We can see where the characters could go further, and hence their death is always unexpected and powerful. In psychological storytelling it's the other way around: in the vast majority of cases we _can't_ see what's going to happen next, because the situation has gotten too complicated. Cersei's hearing is a prime example of that: the situation has gotten so complicated that it's hard to imagine any sensible resolution. And that's where death (or rather "killing off") comes in: it's a neat and cheap way to untangle everything and get a clean slate. It's happens everywhere and gets predictable really fast. (Sept's explosion was pretty impressive, but that was solely due to powerful cinematography. Story-wise it was as cheap and weak as every other death that came further.)

As an aspiring writer, this video is massively informative! I often met these standards of character deaths creating cause and effect already, but you gave me insight into how that happens, and thus how to specifically funnel my story that way. I know I'm late, but I just want to say; I appreciate it.

So the deaths and reason and impacts of them got weaker after season 5 ... You know there is a reason why it takes George so long to write the damn books!

@concept5631

Жыл бұрын

The real question _is_ will A Dream of Spring stay a dream?

What a great video instead of regurgitating the same thing everyone has been saying for clicks and views you say an explore something that I haven’t seen, bravo sir

you did such a great job explaining what everybody is feeling but can not put into words, awesome video!

"and Rickon is not important" oof I actually forgot about him until he got arrowed by the Boltons

The dislikes are from D and D

@mrvulture8981

4 жыл бұрын

And fanatics

@warbler1984

4 жыл бұрын

And people who know that not every death has to be a massive turning point.

@mrvulture8981

4 жыл бұрын

@@warbler1984 and Who are so shit at writing that they dont recognise bad writing when they see it

@ForsakenDreamer7

4 жыл бұрын

And their clones apparently.

@mrvulture8981

4 жыл бұрын

@@ForsakenDreamer7 Ay, their clones

One thing im glad you pointed out that i feel goes overlooked is Rickon. Yeah he may not have been important in the early seasons but how he was killed just shows the disrespect the writers had for characters they felt werent the essential main characters. They couldnt even give Rickon one line of dialogue all throughout the season. They couldnt of had Ramsey have a conversation with him, trying to threaten him, and have Rickon be like “Fuck you ima stark, ill never bend to you,” they couldnt of had him said something like that at the least? But instead his death was all for the purpose of giving Jon the motive to attack early (which was horrible for him as a strategy) and still he suffered no consequences from it, still won the battle and got named king in the north.

@BlackAlien6

4 жыл бұрын

And to add to that, they disrespected him even more by not even having his siblings seem to care about him. Throughout all of seasons 7 and 8 with the starks, Rickon might have gotten like one line and them talking about him (if that). I understand that most fans didnt care about him but that doesnt matter when you look at the characters themselves. Even if Rickon had even less screen time, if your little brother dies, you are going to be sad and mourn him for more than two seconds or just simply acknowledge him through a throwaway line and nothing else. Im not even sure Arya knew about Rickons death and if she did, the writers did a horrible job of the letting the viewers see it. It just shows that they didnt see Rickon as an actual character or human being and his death was meaningless other than the fact to help them tie up loose ends.

Great video, you back up all of your points perfectly. Thanks for the writing guide!

You've summed up all my issues with this show, thank you

I forgot Daeneryus died, I think thats saying something

@ipsumcontumelia6973

4 жыл бұрын

Dany was so messed up by D&D

@derekhofstetler3998

3 жыл бұрын

So did you her name.

@nizunia864

3 жыл бұрын

@@derekhofstetler3998 ?? What do you mean?

@derekhofstetler3998

3 жыл бұрын

@@nizunia864 In modern English, one would say, "You forgot her damn name."

@nizunia864

3 жыл бұрын

@@derekhofstetler3998 But I didn't.

The only good way that the show would have ended would have been the Night King living. It'll teach us that while we're too busy worrying about politics the real threats are going almost completely unnoticed, not worry about politics and ( global warming for example ) would just go away.

@jamie2563

4 жыл бұрын

Well it wouldn’t go away but it would be much more focused on so that it can be stopped

@potatoesaregood5127

4 жыл бұрын

The NK would absolutely never win in the siege for KL. KL had oil pots (we know from when Dany showed up and Bronn told them to get more), they have ballistae which can be tipped with dragon glass, they have the Golden Company (which are supposed to be good fighters unlike the show portrayed), and the absolutely most important thing is Eurons fleet. With the fleet simply have to steer the battle semi-close to the ocean where Euron can throw constant arrow volley's and use those fancy fireball trebuchets. Assuming that Jon's guess of 100k wights is true, and they only lost 20k at the battle of Winterfell (they got to reanimate a ton which is why they lost so few) then it makes sense that after conquering all of the cities down on the way, they would have probably 1.5-2m wights. And with all of the prep and soldiers that they'd have, as well as fighting in a better climate than they did up north, I think they would pull through with a win, though suffering many, many casualties.

@destroyerinazuma96

4 жыл бұрын

@@potatoesaregood5127 yup, and the ground around KL would look like Verdun's aftermath for decades to come

@saeedvazirian

4 жыл бұрын

@@potatoesaregood5127 yes he would have. The NK would be too intelligent to allow himself being hit by dragonglass ballistas.

@KanohiVahi

4 жыл бұрын

What made me really pissed about NK being so irrelevant was the hype material they published for the last season. Basically that material showed different main characters sitting on the Iron Throne and one of them was Night King. It made me so excited of the different possibilities of who's going to end up on the Iron Throne. In the end none of that hype material mattered since they never even gave NK the possibility to reach King's Landing in the first place.

This really helped me establish good deaths for my own stories! Thank you so much!

Love how you did this vid man. Resonated with me totally. I hope they teach this in film schools aswell, so nobody has to make the same errors as those befallen to our beloved show. You've got yourself a new sub :)

Sees tittle. Sees video length. Uh oh. Buckle up.

@razbuten

4 жыл бұрын

lol yeah take your time with it. It is a long one that obviously contains a handful of complaints. I just had a lot of thoughts so uh I went for it

@ginge641

4 жыл бұрын

Try watching MauLer some time.

@thefirebreathingleftist8648

4 жыл бұрын

Steel Xcaliber just watched a few videos. Thanks for the recommendation

@ginge641

4 жыл бұрын

@@thefirebreathingleftist8648 You're welcome. Now try watching his streams on the MooLer channel, specifically EFaP 40 and 41. Twelve hours should be enough to test your endurance.

@tobiassvendsen7981

4 жыл бұрын

Didn't even realize it had been that long when it finished. Quality content

You, good sir, just multiplied the workload i have writing my groups own D&D campaign. I'm not complaining, as it's now gona be a much better plottprogression, i just wanted you to know. Thank you and good day sir.

@deProfundisAdAstra

4 жыл бұрын

Nes from my own experience, “writing” a D&D campaign will doom it to failure, especially if you’re trying to do so in a way at all similar to something like GoT S1-4; playing a ttrpg is not at all the same as writing a book. Do as you wish, obviously, and you know your table better than I do, but keeping the players near the crossroad of every major event and decision is far more often a formula for success than any plot point set in stone.

@nes819

4 жыл бұрын

@@deProfundisAdAstra Thanks for the concern. ^^ I think i'm fine tho, as i give them initial qwests wich sett up the timer for campaign X. I basicaly use the Skyrimm qwest format where the players have to deal with the fallout of those initial qwests at some point. I just use this video as reference for dramatic conseqwences. I don't write the whole campaign in stone, i just plan the rough shape and polish pices wich gett in range. And this vid showed me how to finetune potential plotttwists. Sorry iff my writing's off. My native language is Ger and im on the device.

@albertschoise8091

4 жыл бұрын

@@nes819 sheißa, broeter. Good luck with that

It's easy. Hacks couldn't write shi*t form the beginning. All the good stuff, all surprising but believable deaths came from George R.R. Martin. Every memorable event or piece of a dialogue in the first seasons of the show was taken directly from the books. Like copy & paste. It's no wonder that when they put the books aside and started to cut important parts away e.g. with the Dorne or the Greyjoys' storylines for very low fan-service, the show became silly, and when they full-blown started to write their own storylines (since season 6) it became unwatchable. Stop blaming George for this mess. The showrunners had enough material to do at least 5 next seasons of GoT based on the already written books. HBO wanted to give them all the money and time to do it. The audience would watch it. D&D just decided they didn't want to do it anymore and also didn't want to give it to someone else.

@benjaminlennox4249

3 жыл бұрын

I think that's really oversimplified, they actually created alot of original great scenes like varys and littlefingers conversations.

watching the first 2 mins of this with the soundtrack in the background just reminded me of how much I deeply loved this show in its earlier episodes....i will never get over what they did to it in the final seasons