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@carlogiurizzato2441

10 ай бұрын

absolutely watch the hobbits trilogy it will connect the journy of the ring you will see more of gandalf and bilbo

@carlogiurizzato2441

10 ай бұрын

in the hobbits you will see more of the wolds and the dwarves a lot more of dwarves that were mising in lotr

@starwelters9011

10 ай бұрын

I’m so sad that you are doing the extended edition. Oh well. Still the best trilogy ever.

@carlogiurizzato2441

10 ай бұрын

why @@starwelters9011

@ddamaged

10 ай бұрын

Yes, you should ABSOLUTELY see The Hobbit series. You learn how Bilbo finds the One Ring and how he meets Gollum/Smeagol.

The best trilogy in cinematic history

@watch-Dominion-2018

10 ай бұрын

meh, The Naked Gun trilogy is better

@TheN9nth

10 ай бұрын

@@watch-Dominion-2018 lol funny man

@watch-Dominion-2018

10 ай бұрын

yeh they are@@TheN9nth

@blackpanther10105

10 ай бұрын

@@watch-Dominion-2018naked gun trilogy is alright tbh

@rafexrafexowski4754

10 ай бұрын

It's not really a trilogy. The divisions between parts of both the movies and the source material are arbitrary because it would result in a too long film/book. Tolkien originally wanted it to be one giant book, but there was a paper shortage and they had to split it. Jackson followed that vision of the story, not trying to make an arbitrary climax at the end of the first and second movies.

43:26 y’all skipped it, but when Elrond gives Aragorn Anduril he says “Ónen i-Estel Edain, ú-chebin estel anim.” This is actually a line of Gilrain (Aragorn’s mother) from the books. It means “I have given hope to the Dunedain (Men), and kept none for myself.” After his fathers death, Aragorn was sent to be fostered in Rivendell by Elrond. That’s why Elrond is so close to Aragorn, he’s his foster father. And when he went, Aragorn was too young to really know who he was yet. So his mother called him “Estel” instead of his true name. And “Estel” means “Hope” in elvish. Aragorn is literally the “Estel,” the Hope of Men in Middle Earth.

@thefireflycaravan6529

10 ай бұрын

Ew wait does that mean Arwen knew him as a child???

@BlyatBlaster

10 ай бұрын

@@thefireflycaravan6529 no. If I remember right, Arwen spent Aragorn’s whole childhood staying in Lothlorien with her grandparents Galadriel and Celeborn. She returned to Rivendell after Aragorn had already come of age. I actually believe it was the same day Elrond told Aragorn his true name and his heritage that Aragorn first met Arwen. And he goes up to her like “I am Aragorn, son of Arathorn, heir of Isildur,” like this is some big man flex. And she’s just like, “oh, uh… that’s nice I guess? You do be kinda cute tho.”

@Makkaru112

10 ай бұрын

@@thefireflycaravan6529they’ve been a couple for 70 years since he was an ADULT. And he’s so far removed from the lineage pertaining to being related to Elrond and Arwen through Elrond’s twin brother Elros who became the first king of Númenor. Númenoreans were super humans both internally and physically at their peak. The zenith of humanity at its best.

@Makkaru112

10 ай бұрын

@@BlyatBlaster Galadriel intentionally matched Arwen & Aragorn together while they were both visiting in Lothlorien! Arwen & Aragorn met in Rivendell, & that is where Aragorn fell in love with her, although it doesn’t sound like she felt the same at the time. Aragorn’s mother Gilraen warned him that he was aiming too high, and Elrond was not happy about it either, and Aragorn took heed of this and left Rivendell, to learn how to be a Ranger and to oppose Sauron’s forces. Many years later, he came to Lothlorien, seeking rest and shelter, and Galadriel allowed him to enter. We have this line in the Tale of Aragorn and Arwen: ‘But Aragorn was grown to full stature of body and mind, and Galadriel bade him cast aside his wayworn raiment, and she clothed him in silver and white, with a cloak of elven-grey and a bright gem on his brow. Then more than any kind of Men he appeared, and seemed rather an Elf-lord from the Isles of the West. And thus it was that Arwen first beheld him again after their long parting; and as he came walking towards her under the trees of Caras Galadhon laden with flowers of gold, her choice was made and her doom appointed.’ LOTR Appendices. To me, that makes it rather explicit that Galadriel wanted Aragorn to appear at his best. Why? Who could he possibly impress in Lothlorien, except for Galadriel’s grand-daughter? I think it is quite clear that she wanted them matched, and perhaps her foresight told her that they needed to be matched, as it was part of destiny, to begin the Dominion of Men (something Elrond probably also realised, but couldn’t willingly promote, since it would mean Arwen and Elrond would be parted forever). Plus there is the scene in Lorien, where Galadriel gives Aragorn the Elessar, which went from Galadriel to Celebrian to Arwen and then back to Galadriel in order that she give it as a gift to Aragorn. Again it speaks to me as a collaborative act, and part of Galadriel helping bring the two together: And Aragorn answered: “Lady, you know all my desire, and long held in keeping the only treasure that I seek. Yet it is not yours to give me, even if you would; and only through darkness shall I come to it.” “Yet maybe this will lighten your heart,' said Galadriel; for it was left in my care to be given to you, should you pass through this land.” Then she lifted from her lap a great stone of a clear green, set in a silver brooch that was wrought in the likeness of an eagle with outspread wings; and as she held it up the gem flashed like the sun shining through the leaves of spring. “This stone I gave to Celebrían my daughter, and she to hers; and now it comes to you as a token of hope. In this hour take the name that was foretold for you, Elessar, the Elfstone of the house of Elendil!” From LOTR FOTR BOOK

@BlyatBlaster

10 ай бұрын

@@Makkaru112 yup. That’s it. I’ve read that, but I didn’t bother reference checking before I responded. But yeah, that’s all right.

FYI - When Aragorn confronts the Corsairs of Umbar, and Gimli nudges Legolas' bow and screws up his "warning shot," that was Peter Jackson, the director/producer, who took the arrow and died at 51:33. In the actors' commentary on the DVD, Orlando Bloom talked about how cool was to be able to kill of the director.

@pamdawkins13

12 күн бұрын

One of the best Easter Eggs! And quite a few of the other people on that boat were also producers or other crew members.

The reason Frodo is so susceptible to Smeagol's manipulation is because the ring twists your mind. Smeagol understands the effect the ring has on the mind and uses it to his advantage.

@benguensche

10 ай бұрын

true but also frodo is (at least initially) very aware of what the ring is doing to him and that's why he says he has to believe gollum can "come back". So he is very deliberately giving gollum the benefit of the doubt all the way to the end

@vkdeen7570

10 ай бұрын

but frodo also feels a likeness to smeagle.. he sees himself which makes him more trusting of him and sympathetic. smeagle plays on the "only I understand" aspect

@neillio

10 ай бұрын

I totally agree with both of you. I simply wanted to focus on what I've noticed is an aspect of the relationship that can slip by many viewers on a first watch.

@peterkirby7546

10 ай бұрын

I would also throw in the rationed food and water, and endless walking and climbing, all in the near-toxic air around Mordor.. these guys are exhausted and brain addled.

@philippalinton5850

10 ай бұрын

Tolkien's Frodo was never manipulated by Gollum, the exact opposite in fact. He shows more compassion to Smeagol than Sam does, but never believes him over Sam or sends Sam away. And the toll the Ring takes on Frodo is made very clear in the book. I love the films but this scene deserves to be thrown into Mount Doom.

Denathor, Boromir and Faramir's father has a very interesting and depressing backstory. In the books, he has a palantiri (the stone ball thingy which Pippin took and saw Sauron in and Gandalf got mad at him for) and he has been talking to Sauron for a while. Not to join with him, but trying to oppose him. He kind of tried to stare down Sauron and obviously this wasn't a good idea. Gradually, Sauron completely broke his will and turned him into a hopeless, pessimistic ruin of a man.. It's very interesting story of a man undone by trying to stare evil down alone. A fantastic grey character, kinda like his son.

@Makkaru112

10 ай бұрын

Denethor was done dirty: He was way more noble & mighty in the books. Not to mention he contended wills with Sauron for decades nonstop & ontop of that even now he was never broken nor could Sauron alter what Denethor would see in the palantir even then he couldn’t control what Denethor had control of which was how he CHOSE to INTERPRET the visions given to him. Using it all to Gondor’s advantage! ❤ he also lit the beacons and got the women & children far away from the city longer ahead of time. So the movie butchered him as well as faramir but they didn’t butcher faramir as badly thankfully. He could have been shown to give Pippen his newest order to light the beacons so then it wouldn’t change the scene much at all as presented! The story here is Faramir’s birth ended up killing his mother Finduilas(named after an elvish princess from the era of Children Of Hùrin was set in);she was a Numenorean woman of the Faithful which her ancestors survived the Cataclysm of Númenor by the way! He was hurt deeply by her death and ontop of that Faramir had the likeness both in temperament as well as his appearance/bearing so he ways reminded of his wife over and over again by Faramir who was just like her, and all it took was a simple look or what-have-you to drive the knife in deeper into his heart about his wife. But also Aragorn when he went by the name gifted to him as Thorongil Denethor’s father basically overshadowing him from his own father so he is as psychology goes: treated Boromir the same way his father treated Aragorn/Thorongil. Note that Boromir and Faramir are half Númenorean which is a big thing as far as the legendarium goes! And it’s something to note that he treated Boromir like his father treated the clandestine Aragorn as Thorongil. Denethor actually did many things the movie shows him not doing or neglecting. He was VERY competent and mighty in many craft and (even a lore-master to a degree). He had quite alot of mental and “magical” might which is why he could contend with Sauron too without being harmed in there process in any way!

@molonlabe1509

10 ай бұрын

@@Makkaru112 Good synopsis. Denethor was really the only character I was disappointed with in the movies

@VirtualBabe29

9 ай бұрын

Another reason that Denethor is so against Faramir is that his wife died giving birth to Faramir, another emotion that Sauron could use to reduce Denethor to the desparing man he was.

@Makkaru112

9 ай бұрын

@@VirtualBabe29 he loved Faramir greatly. Faramir held all the same qualities and demeanour of his mother Finduilas. Yes. Named after the elvish princess do the same name. She was from Dol Amroth. So every time he looked at Faramir he saw Finduilas within him, within his eyes, the way he speaks. Everything.

@AllTheArtsy

8 ай бұрын

Denethor was done so dirty by Peter Jackson. It's so unfair. His best characteristic, being "long sighted" was actually his boon and bane. Using his palantir, he was able to go toe to toe against Sauron for a long time and oversee things great and small in Gondor. It's just when things were so dire (he could see Frodo captured and the pirates heading to reinforce the enemy in the field) and after Boromir had died and Faramir nearly lethally injured that he lost all hope and gave up. Peter Jackson made Denethor, who is supposed to be as lordly as Gandalf, a snivelling idiot instead for no reason.

Ian McKellen gave the performance of a lifetime playing Gandalf...I love all the characters but Gandalf remains my favorite. All his words are important and significant in the story like for example when he talks about Gollum to Frodo in the mines of Moria telling him that Gollum will play an important role in the battle for Middle earth and what we have to decided is what to do with the time given to us. I must have watched this trilogy a million times but each time I am moved by his performance! What an actor! 💫

@hypnotherapy69

10 ай бұрын

I´m so sad he played gandalf, I would have wastly prefered he played Dumbledore! Gibon pissed on the original actors memory and his passion for disshonoring character portraials would have been a better fit for this roll, after all Gandalf screams alot XD. Don´t get me wrong Sir Mckellen does an EXELENT job, but his talent feels a bit wasted here.

@LSG101097

10 ай бұрын

@@hypnotherapy69 nah. Gendalf is much deeper character. And LOTR much much better movies.

@boneidle8420

9 ай бұрын

​@@hypnotherapy69 The acting from pretty much everyone in the Harry Potter franchise is atrocious. It was purely the story that carried it. LOTR on the other hand was a literal masterclass of acting from every single person in it. Sir Ians range and skill would have been pointless in Harry Potter.

@quavondingle3490

9 ай бұрын

@@boneidle8420 that’s an awful opinion & I’m not even a big fan of the films. The child actors were pretty bad, sure. But almost every one of the adults killed it in their roles.

@boneidle8420

9 ай бұрын

@@quavondingle3490 "the child actors were pretty bad" yeah and they were like 95% of the screen time in the movies. I did say pretty much everyone because I left room for some of the adult actors but it wasn't anywhere near enough to make up for the shite.

Billy Boyd (Pippin) is an amazing singer/songwriter. In the Hobbitt series, he sings the closing credits song (The Last Goodbye) after one of the movies, I believe after the last movie. Definitely watch the closing credits and listen to his amazing song.

@pabloc8808

10 ай бұрын

Pippin singing during Faramir's charge is my favorite scene in the entire trilogy. Unbelievable how Peter Jackson, Billy Boyd, and the writers came up with this. His singing voice is beautiful

@pamdawkins13

12 күн бұрын

The first time I heard "The Last Goodbye," I was kept thinking that people were going to be bawling in the theatre.

I like that the first thing you brought up in the final discussion was Aragorn's growth. For the longest time I thought Aragorn was just a cool character who doesn't change a lot. Further viewings taught me otherwise. His entire arc in these movies is learning how to be the leader of men. He starts out as a reclusive ranger hiding from his past and denying his future. And when Gandalf, the leader of the Fellowship, dies, Aragorn tries and fails to keep the group together. Everything turns on Boromir's death, though: the first time he embraces his identity as the protector of Gondor. From there, he learns how to lead an army from Theoden's example (both what TO DO and what NOT TO DO). All of which comes to a head in the Paths of the Dead, where he must use his identity as King to win over and lead an army. TLDR, Aragorn's arc is not a traditional one of self-discovery. More so, he learns from the example of others how to be the leader he was always destined to become.

@AlbertoGarcia-wd7sc

9 ай бұрын

The problem is that he doesn't change. He rejects his destiny until his father in law teleports with the sword he rejected. That's what happens when you change stuff in adaptations without fully understanding the thing you are adapting.

@yomamma.ismydaddy216

7 ай бұрын

@@AlbertoGarcia-wd7scI def prefer the books to the films however I think you could def argue that Aragorn already mostly changed into the leader prior to getting the sword such as leading those at helms deep to victory (as Saruman pointed out to theoden etc) and also prior to getting the sword he is urging theoden to join the fight for minas tirith- thus already taking some responsibility upon himself and doing whatever he can for the survival of men and middle earth in general- a big part of that change happened at boromirs death I would say, you just couldn’t notice it as much until later on bc he was on a smaller-scale mission for the first bit of two towers

@drs-xj3pb

7 ай бұрын

I love the films, but this diminution of Aragorn's character is one of the things I absolutely hate. Aragorn has wanted to marry Arwen since he was 21; Elrond has told him he will allow his daughter to marry no less than the king of both Arnor and Gondor. So, knowing what he has to do to get the only thing he really wants, Arwen's hand in marriage, the film wants us to believe that he spent the next 66 years swanning about Middle Earth actively avoiding doing anything about it. No, no, no! Aragorn has spent the last 66 years working to prove himself worthy to marry Arwen, which means necessarily proving himself worthy to be king of both Arnor and Gondor. That is why he fought for Gondor under Denethor's father, and for Rohan under Theoden's father; he learned nothing about leading men into battle from Theoden, rather Theoden learned from him. I think working ceaselessly for 66 years to win the love of your life is far more heroic and admirable than the utterly ridiculous 6-month transformation we are given. THAT's how much he loves Arwen. What would it say about the strength of his love if he spent 66 years NOT doing what he has to do for them to be together? This is, of course, the result of Jackson cramming every bit of Aragorn's character arc into these three films. But wait -- he put most of the Aragorn-Arwen love story in flashback! Why could he not have done the same with Aragorn's life-long training to be worthy of her? Also lost in the films is the kingdom of Arnor. Aragorn is Isildur's heir, but Isildur was not the King of Gondor, his brother Anarion was; Isildur was King of Arnor, Gondor's sister-kingdom to the north. This is one reason Boromir does not initially credit his claim: Gondor has already, in years long past, rejected the line of Isildur, so that alone is not enough to claim the throne. Aragorn must be worthy in and of himself, not merely due to his bloodline. Which Elrond knew full well when he set the conditions for the marriage to Arwen, making Elrond's story even more tragic: he must lose his own daughter in order to defeat Sauron (it would take the emergence of a man powerful enough to restore and unite the twin kingdoms). So that's another reason to dislike the whole "rejecting his destiny" monstrosity.

@MrDiomedes1977

6 ай бұрын

Its a very different charachter from the books. In the books he has been working and fighting all his life for this, he has some moments of doubt when he doesnt know really how they should proceed ar the end of the Fellowship, but thats about It

A note on Pippin and Merry: Pippin is the youngest of this group of Hobbits. He is the equivalent of a human 16 year old. Even Merry is older, at human equivalent 21 or so. He is cousin of Merry and Frodo. So, basically, he is the baby tag-along of the group. So to see him grow is a wonderful, deep expression of what this entire quest is doing for each person involved. We had little doubt of Gimli, Legolas, and Aragon and their capability. We knew Gandalf was badass. And we saw the friendship of Sam and Frodo break through many obstacles. But Pippin has been continually messing up (as kids do) and protected and guided by Merry. To separate them (to keep Pippin safe by Gandalf's side after Sauron thought Pippin had the ring) was a turning point for both Pippin and Merry. Merry no longer has to look after Pippin since Gandalf took that on. So, he, too, has a chance to grow and become a man, as it were. Think way back to when the two stumbled onto this quest and thrust themselves into it. We thought they were comic relief. But, they actually shine through and both have very important roles to play in saving someone or helping defeat someone else. And "Fool of a Took" is a common expression among Hobbits, as Tooks are considered the most foolish of Hobbits. They like to go on adventures, which is the total opposite of most Hobbits. Brandybucks (Merry's clan) are Hobbits who swim. Frodo and Pippin, being cousins to Merry, also swim (Frodo's parents, I believe, drowned which is how he became an orphan to be adopted by Bilbo). Sam, like most Hobbits, doesn't swim. However, we see that Smeagol and Deagol do swim, and they are part of a river clan from long ago. We can assume, somewhat, that Smeagol might have originally been a Brandybuck, but it isn't made clear. A note on Frodo: He is not Bilbo's nephew, though he calls Bilbo uncle. Frodo is a cousin. And, interesting to note, Bilbo's mother was a Took.

@Ben-fl6rf

10 ай бұрын

It reminds of the line Galdriel says to Pippin in the first film when she is giving the fellowship gifts; "Do not fear, Peregrin Took, you will find your courage." This is ultimately fulfilled especially throughout the third film.

@Taewills

10 ай бұрын

I hope Spartan sees this comment bc it seems he doesn’t understand Took is Pippin’s surname 😆

@goofball944700

10 ай бұрын

very well said, just gonna add here that Smeagol and Deagol come from a line of proto-hobbits so their descendants eventually became the hobbits of the Shire. So yes, there might be a distant relation between the hobbits and Smeagol/Gollum. I don't think there was any info on Smeagol's family name so that remains a mystery.

@roerd

10 ай бұрын

It should be also noted, though, that the head of the house of Took holds the title of Thain, the highest rank of nobility within the shire. It's probably indicative of the typical Hobbit mindset that the same family is both the most respected as well as the most mocked one.

@Taewills

10 ай бұрын

@@goofball944700 I’ll check the appendices & get back k to you bc I could’ve sworn it was mentioned….

44:07 Many people have asked how Aragorn was able to drive off 5 ringwraiths in the first movie on Weathertop. The answer is here: the primary weapon of the Nazgul is fear and Aragorn is fearless. As physical beings they're pretty mid at this point in the story and since Aragorn has no fear, they were not able to affect him as they would a normal man. Now, the Witch King is very strong when he fights in the Battle of the Pelennor Fields, but that is because Sauron's power has grown so much and that the wraiths are now closer to him distance-wise.

@spamhere1123

10 ай бұрын

This is mostly true. Another reason they retreated on Weathertop is that they thought they had completed their mission. The Witch King had stabbed Frodo with the Morgul blade, and they knew it was just a matter of time before he fell to their will. There was no need to risk open combat with someone wielding fire with no fear, and there were only five of them there, not at full strength. Throughout the entire first section of the book, they operated less as soldiers and more like assassins. Sauron was still trying to avoid open combat, as he hadn't drawn up his full strength yet. Even the Nazgul didn't yet have the power to openly invade the entire Shire on their own, so they tried to go a more sneaky route. Looking back, it was undoubtedly a miscalculation on their part. They had a good chance of winning that fight and outright taking the ring by force right there, but they backed off, thinking it would work out. They didn't factor in Glorfindel (replaced by Arwen in the movie) showing up with an elven horse.

@raimat66

10 ай бұрын

@@spamhere1123 And they didn't know that hobbits are so resilient and persistent beings. That's one of the mane reasons for Gandalf to trust in hobbits as ringbearers in the first place. Gandalf tells Frodo, when they meet in Rivendel: “And it seems that Hobbits fade very reluctantly. I have known strong warriors of the Big People who would quickly have been overcome by that splinter, which you bore for seventeen days.”

@beanwithbaconmegarocket

10 ай бұрын

@@spamhere1123 Great extra info, my guy!

@fanghur

3 ай бұрын

I don’t think that the Witch King should have been able to defeat Gandalf like that though. They never actually fought in the book, the Witch King was just engaging in some bravado against him. But the idea that the Witch King who is essentially just a powerful human ghost could stand against a Maiar empowered by Eru himself seems highly unlikely.

@beanwithbaconmegarocket

3 ай бұрын

@@fanghur I agree. I understand Peter, Fran, and Phillipa's reasoning for that moment in the films, but I still don't like it. I thought it degraded Gandalf too much. But they were really trying to build up the Witch-king to be the powerful villain that he was (and make Eowyn / Merry's victory more significant) and they didn't have a lot of available time in the film to do it. Tolkien got to use a lot of words to describe how terrible of a foe the Witch-king was, but in a film, you have to be able to show it in a very short timeframe. They decided a that show-down with Gandalf was the best place to for that. I didn't like it, myself, but can't imagine how anyone could have done it better.

One of my favorite scenes is when Pippin sings, because normally he loves singing, but you can see how devastated he is when he sings that song. I actually went to an event where the actor sang the song again and it was beautiful

Eowyn tends to became enamoured on stories rather than realities; she wants to be a character in a tale, and her love for Aragorn is perhaps close to what we’d consider being starstruck.

@pamdawkins13

12 күн бұрын

Starstruck is a good word for it. She loves the idea of Aragorn rather than Aragorn himself.

Fun fact, though you have most likely herd this one: When Sauroman got stabbed in the back, Peter Jacksson wanted him to scream out in pain and suprise. Chistopher Lee, the actor for Sauroman, refused. He corrected Jacksson that that is not the noice someone who gets stabbed like that makes and that he would know, as he was trained as an RAF member and partook in WW2, even claiming to have been part of an undisclosed "Special forces" of which he refused to give details. Based on sir Christopher Lee´s experiance he was allowed to act the scene as he saw fit.

@fnglert

10 ай бұрын

"The Ministry of Ungentlemanly Warfare"

@michaelpalerino5276

10 ай бұрын

Someone asked Christopher Lee how he knew sounds a person being stabbed would make. Lee leaned in and said "Can you keep a secret?" The person said Yes, and Lee then said "So can I" and wouldn't say anything more - meaning he wouldn't reveal anything about his secret missions in WW2.

@AndreLuis-gw5ox

10 ай бұрын

And was right. When stabbed like that, the lungs are punctured and deflate, draining the very air ou of them. The stabbed person instinctive reaction is to gasp for air because of this

@BoogieBubble

10 ай бұрын

@@AndreLuis-gw5ox There is a place under the shoulder that pierces the lung and the heart together so you don't make a sound or survive. All at once. (when the enemy has his back on you ofc). Or a deep slice in the throat so your vocals cords are gone , while you bleed to death.

@hephner78

10 ай бұрын

ITS A WIDELY HELD BELIEF THAT SIR LEE'S COUSIN, IAN FLEMING, MODELED HIS FAMOUS CHARACTER, JAMES BOND, ON SIR LEE'S WW2 EXPLOITS

so just so you know, the beacons aren't really that symbolic or anything. It's a quick line of communication set up between Rohan and Gondor to call for aid in the case of a war. also, in the case of Frodo leaving Sam behind, it's important to remember that Frodo's mind is very close to broken. The toll the ring is taking on him has made him susceptible to being manipulated by Gollum. It's not so much his fault, it's just the general evil of the ring.

@Chubarrk

10 ай бұрын

Not only that, Gollum is intimately familiar with the corruption the Ring has, so is able to play to 'tune', so to speak.

@JamailvanWestering

10 ай бұрын

Also Rohan exists thanks to Gondor

@wanbawmcgraw3022

10 ай бұрын

@@Chubarrk yeah good point

@Ben-fl6rf

10 ай бұрын

That's a very good point to remember. I know Tolkien hated allegory, but the way the films portray it, I always saw the Ring as a metaphor for mental illness. And when you are mentally ill, you don't see things as rationally as you think you do such as distrusting people whom you really have no reason to distrust, or making rash and risky decisions. I wouldn't say they are incapable of rationality because they just are simply incapable of it (as much of the modern stigma should suggest) but rather because there minds are filled to the absolute brim in dealing with the mental illness, its exhausting and makes it so difficult to distinguish between things.

@greyman8335

10 ай бұрын

I think that the the romans used signal fires for defence like this? Might have been the inspiration.

fun fact: the orc with the mangled face was fashioned after Harvey Weinstein. I guess some things do age well 😂 Also, when I see the becaons are lit, it's so goosebump worthy. It just feels so cool to see something rally people together and really make this a struggle that no one can escape, and that every needs to fight together to overcome. The music and landscape shots when seeing the different mountain tops is just freaking awesome!

@natidel81

10 ай бұрын

I've repeated the Harvey Weinstein story. Sorry I've just seen this comment😊

@0okamino

10 ай бұрын

I can see it, but they didn’t quite make him grotesque enough.

To answer your question about the wizards, there are 5 of them. Saruman the White, Gandalf the Grey, Radaghast the Brown, Alatar the Blue, and Pallando the Blue. They were collectively known as the Istari and are all Maiar (which are like these angel/demi-god beings. Sauron and the Balrog are corrupted Maiar...demons essentially). The Istari wizards were sent to Middle Earth after the last alliance because the gods of this universe the Valar knew Sauron would return and wanted them to guide the peoples of Middle Earth. You can see Radaghast the Brown in the Hobbit trilogy. He's like this nature guy who's more connected to animals. The two blue wizards were in the far east dealing with the kingdom of Rhun which are the lands Northeast of Mordor and East of Rohan. Their fates are unknown but we can assume they were keeping Sauron from sending all those people out west to crush Gondor and Rohan. You see Easterlings from Rhun in the Two Towers when Frodo, Sam, and Smeagol first arrive at the Black Gate.

The story behind the ball is that the Palantir (as they are called) is a rare and ancient item. Few of them existed and they were used to see things from afar and for communication between beings and peoples of great power. Gandalf plead for Saruman to stop using it as the others were not accounted for, and that they didn't know who else was listening in on what they were looking at. Of course Sauron has one, and he used it to influence Saruman as well as spy on anyone else who touched it. It isn't mentioned in the movie, but Boromir's father, Denethor, has one in Minas Tirith... that is how he seemed to know what was going on before they told him. Unfortunately, Sauron influenced it so that it showed him just enough to know how dire the situation was, but not enough to let him know that there was still hope. That is what drove Denethor to fall into despair, thus denying Gandalf's help, and making poor choices out of desperation.

@McRino1

10 ай бұрын

i love these films but they did both Denethor and Faramir down. I remember somewher its stated how long Denethor used the Plantir for, and that the stones recognised him to have authority over them as a Steward of Gondor, but it was after loosing Boromir that Sauron was able to FINALLY break Denethors will. And with Faramir, having him go from "I would not take this thing, if it lay by the highway. Not were Minas Tirith falling in ruin and I alone could save her, so, using the weapon of the Dark Lord for her good and my glory." to i wanna please DADA REALLLYY irked me. HES A GREAT MAN G'DAMMIT

@TheLastGarou

10 ай бұрын

"For so great was Denathor's will, that not even Sauron could tempt him to evil. And so the Dark Lord set to driving him to madness and despair." I wish I could remember if that was actually from the novels, but it's stuck with me, wherever I got it from.

@nidh1109

10 ай бұрын

The Peter Jackson version of fararmir does make sense although not book accurate. I bet the change was done to again show the Rings influence and to bring Gollum back? It does present two very different Faramirs though.

@Amoschp524

10 ай бұрын

It was Minas Ithil's palantir, Osgiliath's one was the master one and much larger, it was placed in a room built over the river and when the city was first sacked that room fell into the river. The palantir was thought to have been washed into the ocean.@@geraldh3932

@similarrose5811

10 ай бұрын

@@nidh1109 yeah I think the most important thing about Faramir’s character is that he resists taking the ring, which happens in both versions anyway. It’s just that in the movie it happens towards the end and in the book it’s earlier on.

41:49 Billy Boyd (Pippin) wrote that himself from a poem Tolkien wrote. He preformed it live in one take during the filming and that was the first time Peter Jackson had heard it. And that’s the take they used in the film.

The Aragorn-Arwen love story is (sort of) added. It is definitely not central to the books, but has been reconstructed from the huge amount of backstory stuff that Tolkien left us.

My favorite bit of trivia about this movie is that Billy Boyd, the actor playing Pippin, composed and performed that song himself.

@Makkaru112

10 ай бұрын

But that song actually exists in slightly different format than in the source material and was sung by a very different character. Same as how several lines and poems get spread all over three films in portions. The movies are a masterpiece though anyway. Now, the legendarium is huge. 25 books so I could be slightly wrong with the Billy Boyd song. As I recall this song to be from a much larger one and any time they just use Tolkiens source material the quality goes up. Not just for the people who know the book. They succeeded because Peter Jackson openly stated they’d put Tolkien’s messages into it and put as much of his source material in there as possible.

@Makkaru112

10 ай бұрын

Love your continent by the way ❤

I think of the parallelism of Theoden and Denethor as one of the most intriguing. Both facing the death of the firstborn, both fighting a seemingly hopeless war, one rise with courage the other fall into despair and madness

@hooh5479

10 ай бұрын

Very interesting point you are making here. Denethor does fall into madness because he was broken by Sauron himself. Denethor had a palantir so he was somehow engaged in a mental battle against Sauron.

@Amoschp524

10 ай бұрын

Correct, that is one reason why Gondor had some victories during his reign, at one point Denethor was considered Aragon's near equal but time and the death of Boromir lead him to lose hope. His will was still strong enough that Sauron could not deceive him but by the movie Sauron had grown to such strength that there would be no victory from force of arms.@@geraldh3932

@Makkaru112

10 ай бұрын

@@hooh5479 Denethor was done dirty: He was way more noble & mighty in the books. Not to mention he contended wills with Sauron for decades nonstop & ontop of that even now he was never broken nor could Sauron alter what Denethor would see in the palantir even then he couldn’t control what Denethor had control of which was how he CHOSE to INTERPRET the visions given to him. Using it all to Gondor’s advantage! ❤ he also lit the beacons and got the women & children far away from the city longer ahead of time. So the movie butchered him as well as faramir but they didn’t butcher faramir as badly thankfully. He could have been shown to give Pippen his newest order to light the beacons so then it wouldn’t change the scene much at all as presented! The story here is Faramir’s birth ended up killing his mother Finduilas(named after an elvish princess from the era of Children Of Hùrin was set in);she was a Numenorean woman of the Faithful which her ancestors survived the Cataclysm of Númenor by the way! He was hurt deeply by her death and ontop of that Faramir had the likeness both in temperament as well as his appearance/bearing so he ways reminded of his wife over and over again by Faramir who was just like her, and all it took was a simple look or what-have-you to drive the knife in deeper into his heart about his wife. But also Aragorn when he went by the name gifted to him as Thorongil Denethor’s father basically overshadowing him from his own father so he is as psychology goes: treated Boromir the same way his father treated Aragorn/Thorongil. Note that Boromir and Faramir are half Númenorean which is a big thing as far as the legendarium goes! And it’s something to note that he treated Boromir like his father treated the clandestine Aragorn as Thorongil. Denethor actually did many things the movie shows him not doing or neglecting. He was VERY competent and mighty in many craft and (even a lore-master to a degree). He had quite alot of mental and “magical” might which is why he could contend with Sauron too without being harmed in there process in any way!

@Makkaru112

10 ай бұрын

@@geraldh3932 check out the reply I have to hooh

@rollomaughfling380

10 ай бұрын

@@Makkaru112 Dude, what are you like? Can it with the pasted comments on every single LOTR reaction video. It's like SPAM at this point. It's pointless and boring.

Andy Serkis deserves all the awards in the world for what he did with the character of Gollum/Smeagol. In my opinion, he’s the best part of LOTR acting-wise, to be able to do all that physically demanding motion capture job while delivering masterful acting - it’s incredible how he did it. Spartan and Pudgey, if you want more of LOTR and I know you already love Gollum, I highly recommend the LOTR audiobooks narrated by Andy Serkis because it’s such an immersive experience listening to his performance as multiple characters!

@Escapee5931

10 ай бұрын

It's worth looking out clips of AS on various chat shows doing Gollum - very entertaining

@Shadow_Wolf3490

10 ай бұрын

I bought the LOTR trilogy on Audible narrated by Andy just to hear the Gollem voice!

@Frostfyre7

10 ай бұрын

I just finished listening to the trilogy, and he was amazing. Although, bless him, he's not a very good singer, lol. But his ability to shift character voices MORE than makes up for it. When he did Boromir, you'd *swear* it was actually Sean Bean reading the lines. (Though he overall seemed to try to avoid making the characters sound TOO much like his film costars--Boromir being the major exception)

@juneyokakul

10 ай бұрын

@@Frostfyre7 totally agree! He’s great at shifting voices. At one point when he did Frodo, he sounded almost like Elijah Wood! The man is super talented

@Makkaru112

10 ай бұрын

LIPSMACKER is already reacting to those audiobooks and doing book clubs on her KZread channel

Lighting of the beacons is one of the most epic scenes ever filmed, imho, The music is epic. Faramir's father calls him a "wizard's pupil," because he and Gandalf were very close. He was Gandalf's pupil. The tree, btw, was planted from a seed that came from the island of Numenor, which was the home of Isildur and his father Elendil. A kind of race of super men. Aragorn is one of the last of that race.

@gryphonvert

10 ай бұрын

And of course, worth drawing the line further: Numenor's first king was Elros, the twin brother of Elrond. Both were considered half-elven, and thus they were both given the choice to be immortal (fully elves) or mortal (fully Men). Elrond chose immortality. Elros chose mortality, and became the first King of Numenor. His elven heritage gave him longer live -- he lived to over 400. But Elrond still had to see his twin brother die. Elros is Aragorn's ancestor. That Numenorean heritage is why Aragorn is 87, but looks in his 30s or 40s. (By now, the descendants of Elros are not *as* long-lived. But Aragorn will still live to over 200.)

@AnnekeOosterink

10 ай бұрын

He's not the last of that race though? The rangers in general are descended from those people, and Gondorians too. Aragorn is the direct descendent of Isildur, but he is very definitely not the last of the Numenoreans.

@custardflan

10 ай бұрын

@@AnnekeOosterink I said one of the last.

I have been a fan of the trilogy since it came out, watched it many times. Watching your reactions has added a brand new layer of appreciation for these films. Well done!

The writer of G of T is George RR Martin and he styles his name as an homage to JRR Tolkien who he cites as a huge influence, as does JK Rowling. Tolkien is widely acknowledged as the Father of the fantasy genre. Apart from the incredible fil making of all involved the movies are so great in large part because of the fabulous source material. And Howard Shore's music score is totally awesome.

@P_L1134

10 ай бұрын

In fact JKR never admit Tolkien influence on her work she only say she read Tolkien when she was young (but JKR say when she write HP she doesnt whant write a fantasy book ^^')

@jackinabox926

10 ай бұрын

Well HP is definitely in the fantasy genre. @@P_L1134

@kekibannmi6054

10 ай бұрын

However, Martin NEVER FINISHES ANYTHING. He has YET to finish Game of Thrones or any of his other projects. He's worthless.

@Murdo2112

10 ай бұрын

Not to diminish Martin's admiration for Tolkien, which is very real, but the "RR" homage isn't true. His middle name is Raymond, and he took the confirmation name of Richard in his early teens. He was calling himself George RR Martin long before he became an author.

@duybui83

10 ай бұрын

@@kekibannmi6054 GRRM wrote more than AsioF. Obviously you don't know anything about it. He wrote many science fiction books before going into fantasy,

I think that if I had to pick one thing to add to these movies, I would choose more context for who Denethor was, and why he is the way he is now. He's a convenient villain here, but the reality of his personality and character for most of his life was much more aligned with that of his sons. Wise, honourable, respected. Just driven mad by Sauron through a Palantir for the sake of destabilizing Gondor

@bereasonable8018

10 ай бұрын

Agreed

@majkus

10 ай бұрын

Jackson put the story through some hoops to give Aragorn and Faramir character arcs they did not have in the book, and yet took one of the most complex characters in the book and turned him into a madman whose entire purpose in the story is to be an obstruction. When Gandalf punches him out, it's a moment that creates applause and even laughter in audiences. It's a pity.

@roerd

10 ай бұрын

Also, his objections to Aragorn taking the throne aren't fully unjustified. The stewards have been ruling Gondor for centuries now, after the southern line of kings dies out. So why should a descendant of the northern line of kings now suddenly take the throne? In truth, Aragorn earns the crown moreso through his actions for saving Gondor than through his lineage.

@kazemitsuki3325

10 ай бұрын

Thank you, just wanted to write the same, totally agree

@katarinakt9521

10 ай бұрын

​@@roerd If lotr were a bit more politics-oriented, Aragorn could also have put forth the claim that he isn't only a descendant of Elendil, but also of the last daughter (i think) of the southern line of kings, Firiel, who married the last king of Arthedain (Arnor), Arvedui. after the sons of Gondors King died, aswell as the King himself, she actually should've become queen due to Numenorian law as the last living direct descedant. Arvedui even tried to gain kingship of Gondor through her but ended up being denied and then soon after that Arthedain/Arnor was defeated by the Witch-King. The son of the new King of Gondor Earnil, (distant cousin of the previous King and victorious general) was Earnur, who was sent to aid Arnor/Arthedain but came too late, and then instead defeated the Witchking with the Elves. The Witchking challenged him to a duel, which he was barely dissuaded from, and then renewed the challenge after Minas Ithil had become Minas Morgul. This time Earnur accepted and was never seen again, and having left no heir was now known as the "Last-king" of Gondor. Also another factor that ended up helping Aragorns claim was that Aragorn managed to heal a lot of the wounded after the Battle of Minas Tirith, while other healers couldn't, and there was this saying/prophecy that the eldest healer at the Houses of Healing knew: "The hands of the king are the hands of a healer and so shall the rightful king be known." She believed in that and kinda helped spread the news, which ended up supporting Aragorns claim aswell.

It wasn't much of a tease when they were actually coming out in theaters. They filmed all three movies concurrently, but still released them a year apart. So it was a three-year affair for audiences before all was said and done. Good times. 😊

@terrylandess6072

10 ай бұрын

Filmed, but not 'finished'. Jackson finished the first and released it. He now had a year to do it again, and then again. From an actors point of view they have to wait quite some time between working and seeing the results. It makes it easy to understand when some actors reveal they never watch their own movies. Still, very good times :)

@ahumanbeingfromtheearth1502

10 ай бұрын

​@@terrylandess6072people forget that there's still massive amounts of work to do on movies aside from just the filming, especially so for films as complex as the lotr trilogy.

@brodericksiz625

10 ай бұрын

@@ahumanbeingfromtheearth1502 Especially considering how this trilogy spearheaded new technologies in visual effects, a lot of which was done in post production. It was such a titanic effort. Despite the overinflated budgets, even the biggest blockbusters of today don't compare for the sheer amount of effort needed before, after, and during filming that they put into this trilogy. Both pre and post production for LOTR were monumental

@HickoryDickory86

10 ай бұрын

@@terrylandess6072 True. But I was just referring specifically to our (the audience's) having to wait a full year between each release. I also understand well enough that that was less to do with marketing and more to do with the logisitics of editing, special effects, etc. I do think, personally, that it should be a far more common practice for the trilogies, especially if we go in already having decided to produce a trilogy. At the very least, get the screenplays for all three installments laid out and more or less settled before filming begins. That way, a full story arc is set from the beginning and each film has its integral role to play in it.

@terrylandess6072

10 ай бұрын

@@HickoryDickory86 Something the final 3 Star Wars seriously lacked.

One of my favorite things was Legolas’ and Gimli’s friendship. If you remember, at the beginning they were enemies. I never read the books but I was told that the Elves and Dwarves had a beef that had been going on for hundreds if not thousands of years. For Gimli and Legolas to form that tight bond in the time they were together was a wonderful miracle.

@evilieeemia7779

10 ай бұрын

You also see some of the backstory of their beef in "the hobbit" 👍🏻🫡

@SquallLionhart409

9 ай бұрын

@@evilieeemia7779 You see one of the worst alterations of Tolkien's works by Jackson. Strangely, Rings of Power has a better alteration to show friction between Elves and Dwarves when Durin is angry with Elrond for missing many key events in his life (marriage, children, etc.) because 100 years is nothing for an elf, but a lifetime for most mortals.

@evilieeemia7779

9 ай бұрын

@@SquallLionhart409 True. Jackson messed up the timeline quite a bit. But so will ROP. You do realise they've already cast Isildur, right?

@boneidle8420

9 ай бұрын

​@@evilieeemia7779 he didn't mess up the timeline because not everything on paper translates to a movie screen well. A 17 year time gap between when Bilbo leaves and Gandalf returns would have been pointless for the viewer of an already 4hr movie.

@Charharr

9 ай бұрын

After the events of the trilogy, they go sight-seeing together, as they had promised each other before the end of the war! Gimli takes Legolas to see the glory of the Glittering Caves that reside below Helm's Deep, while Legolas takes Gimli on a tour of Fangorn Forest. While they parted ways to help re/built their respective homes, they come back together after Aragorn's death; Gimli had the unprecedented honour of being the first Dwarf allowed passage into the West, invited by Legolas, and the last we hear of them is that they have sailed to the Undying Lands together.

I don't know if anyone has mentioned it before, but a small fun fact: the pirate who get's shot accidentally (with a little help from Gimli) by Legolas, is actually Peter Jackson as he has cameos in every movie :) (if it was mentioned, I apologize, I did not scroll through all comments)

@simongvs

10 ай бұрын

So, it was rather naughty of John Rhys-Davies to ‘accidentally’ cause the death of his director!😜

@bartekw2344

10 ай бұрын

@@simongvs I think that from Gimli's side "that was deliberate", same as falling of his horse in The Two Towers 😀

@januzzell8631

10 ай бұрын

He's also a drunken man in Bree (Fellowship :) )

@rsinville

10 ай бұрын

He also throws a spear in the battle of Helm's Deep and like to walk around eating carrots in Bree.

@pabmusic1

10 ай бұрын

And Jacksons children appear in them all.

I love how you go "It's either the "sacrifice" trope or the "happy ending" trope." I was thinking, oh guys, you don't know the genius of Tolkien and what you are in for here. ^^ I think you will love what he has in store for Frodo. Also, it's great that you are picking up on Tolkien's genius in other ways, remarking on the extraordinary lines of dialogue that these films feature, taken straight from the books.

There's a quote from the books, on the stairs of Cirith Ungol, that I've always absolutely loved; I think it goes a ways at explaining Smeagol's fate, and truly how much the lack of pity from Samwise turns the fate of all. Here it is: “Gollum looked at them. A strange expression passed over his lean hungry face. The gleam faded from his eyes and they went dim and grey, old and tired. A spasm of pain seemed to twist him, and he turned away, peering back up towards the pass, shaking his head, as if engaged in some interior debate. Then he came back, and slowly putting out a trembling hand, very cautiously he touched Frodo’s knee -- but almost the touch was a caress. For a fleeting moment, could one of the sleepers have seen him, they would have thought that they beheld an old weary hobbit, shrunken by the years that had carried him far beyond his time, beyond friends and kin, and the fields and streams of youth, an old starved pitiable thing.” Like in the film, Sam wakes up, sees Gollum, and says something unkind. And Gollum's look hardens again. I believe Tolkien thought that nearly all of us are capable of redemption. But that pity for the unfortunate, compassion, fellowship, and a love of everything green and good is what separates us from evil. Sam displays so many of these qualities already; had he been kind to Gollum, things may have turned out differently.

This 3rd personality theory has me fascinated. I never thought of Gollums dialogue that way, but its a valid theory for someone who hasnt read the books or seen the movies before. Love seeing unique perspectives.

Pudgey got it basically right, Gondor is the kingdom and Minas Tirith is the city

The order of wizards consists of five. These are angelic beings (maiar) who have been sent as emissaries from the greater powers (valar) as an aid for the free people. They arrived with boats from the west and their names are Saruman & Radagast, Pallando and Allatar, Gandalf (in order of appearance as I remember). They all have a color: Saruman (white), Radagast (brown), Pallando & Allatar (blue), Gandalf (grey). Radagast is the one who brought message from Saruman to Gandalf in the first movie. He is good, but naive and does not take part in the fights. All the wizards failed their mission in their own way, except Gandalf.

@yehudahecht1520

10 ай бұрын

Pallando and Alatar's fates were unknown. We can _assume_ that they failed insofar as the Haradrim and Easterlings joined Sauron in the Battle of the Pelennor Fields, but we ultimately don't know how many of them didn't join.

@timothymbess

10 ай бұрын

And technically, the Balrogs and Sauron are also maiar, serving Morgoth.

@MichaelPower212

10 ай бұрын

My copy of "A Guide to Middle Earth," by Robert Foster (1974) mentions three by name: Saruman, Gandalf, and Radagast. The other two, Pallando and Allatar, are not listed. Under the term "Wizards" it states that only those first three were named in LotR. I would very much like to know the source regarding Pallando Allatar.

@baidurya

10 ай бұрын

Actually, the late writing of JRRT changed position on the blue wizards. He decided they played a crucial role in the east, ensuring not all the forces of east could be mobilized to crush Gondor.

@dungeonsanddobbers2683

10 ай бұрын

@@MichaelPower212 "Unfinished Tales of Numenor and Middle Earth" (1980), a collection of short stories and essays that were never completed. Personally, I don't view the names Pallando and Alatar as canon due to the _unfinished_ nature of that collection and Tolkien's notes constantly, and often drastically, changing the details of the two unnamed Wizards.

Éowyn's part was more fleshed out in the book. I honestly thought her a bit shallow in both the book and movies but the book showed her growth and depth of character in the end. They couldn't put *everything* in the movies, so it wasn't bad, I just preferred the book's treatment of Éowyn. I guess I sort of feel sorry for what the movie character was made to be when that wasn't who she was.

Fun fact, Elrond and his twin brother are half human/half elven. They both had the option on whether to remain mortal or not, Elrond chose to remain mortal whereas his brother chose to live a mortal life and he became the first king of Numenor - of whom Aragorn is a descendant. So Elrond is both Aragorn’s father in law, as well as his uncle.

You guys should go through the bonus features to see what went into the production. Makes the movies even better for me.

@lukasskywalberg4253

10 ай бұрын

True!! The bts are so good!!!

@Lethgar_Smith

10 ай бұрын

Has anyone done a reaction to the bonus features? Would that even work, I wonder.

@knightradiant

10 ай бұрын

Absolutely agree. The fact they filmed all three at once, with all the shenanigans that happened! One of the most extensive BTS filming of any movies I've seen.

@robertedgar7497

10 ай бұрын

i agree 100%

@dininelbourne

10 ай бұрын

​@Lethgar_Smith , I've suggested it multiple times but I've never seen it. Most of these guys are streaming the films and likely don't have access to the extra features.

The Nazgul's "scream" is how Jackson chase to represent the "Fear" the Nazgul generate, as they ALL have an innate "aura" of Fear around them

@joshuafischer684

10 ай бұрын

Wasn't the actual scream made by Fran Walsh?

@hephner78

10 ай бұрын

idk whose voice was recorded for the Nazguls scream, but it was very good/creepy for sure!!@@joshuafischer684

Denethor in the books is a much better character. He doesn't send Faramir into a suicide charge and he actually organises the defence of the city. He was only young when Aragorn who remember could live very long, previously came to Gondor and Minus Tirith under the name of Thorongil; Aragorn proved himself a better fighter and commander than Denethor, so Denethor felt left out as his father and the people of Gondor adored Thorongil but not him. Denethor still was a strong leader and a kind person, but he sort of grew to be his father treating his sons like he was treated. Denethor also had a Palantir, which is a seeing stone, the same type of stone that Pippin looked into. So over time Denethor was sort of corrupted as he spent more and more of his time looking into the seeing stone. He was never fully corrupted like Saruman but it did impair his judgement and whole demeanour. From his perspective additionally, the ring was the last chance to save Gondor and all the free peoples, however, obviously it wouldn't of saved them but from his perspective he was effectively betrayed by his son and that action of letting the ring go, would've destroyed all chances the free peoples had against Sauron. So you could consider him a sort of tragic hero. Faramir also was sort of badly represented compared to the books definitely not as bad as Denethor was, as in the books he instantly sensed the ring and was not tempted by it and let Frodo and Sam go straight after they captured them. I don't mind Faramir's representation in the movies though cause it showcases the immense power of the ring to corrupt those who even come close to it. Also the Sam monologue at the end of the two towers is absolutely spectacular.

@EskiZagra

9 ай бұрын

These parts had to be adapted or cut. This would have been another movie to just show their backstories. And the uncut version of this movie was 220 minutes alone...with the Shire uprising from the books, this movie would have been half a day long...

@Grizzlox

9 ай бұрын

In The Two Towers, King Theoden was the avatar of despair and loss of hope. In Return of the King, they utilized Denethor to fulfill that narrative role.

@extremestuff61

9 ай бұрын

@@EskiZagra still would've watched that ngl

@nahqiv

7 ай бұрын

@@Grizzlox yeah. Maybe those characters were misadapted in comparison to the books, but they were incredibly compelling, still. Wouldn't have been as interesting if Frodo/Sam/Gollum had a smooth-sailing experience with Faramir, and the same goes for Gandalf/Pippin with Denethor.

You two, great commentary. A blast watching this with you. Very impressed with how much your picking up on this first viewing. There really is no other filmed fantasy in the same league as the LOTR.

Elves can die of a broken heart, so if Aragorn fails and dies she will also just die. That’s what Elrond kind of meant by her fate being bound to the fate of the Ring because the fate of the Ring will decide the mortal world and she is now mortal. Her seeing her future child was just the push she needed to not go to Valinor and stay and bind her fate to Aragon’s and the mortal realm. But it can be a little up for interpretation as it’s not something from the books.

@Makkaru112

10 ай бұрын

They all go beyond the circles of the world as this gift was so Morgoth couldn’t chase down all souls of mankind and bend them to his will. So this is how the gift of men came to be. As there is a special conversation with a certain lady that shows what Morgoth did to her people before the first few houses of men that were discovered and befriended by Finrod Felagund (Galadriel’s older brother.)

One of the unique features of this story is that Tolkien creates a fully formed realistic world where magic and dragons actually exist. It is a place you feel deep down inside that you could actually visit. The place is somehow real, in some ethereal plane and yet, just beyond our reach. I believe this is the source of all fantasy media today. This concept of "world building" and its importance in fantasy and science fiction story telling begins with this book that Tolkien wrote. The game Dungeons and Dragons was born out of fans of this book wanting to somehow live in that world or at the very least interact with it as a sort of avatar. That same desire to live in and interact with a fantasy world is the impetus for computer based roll playing games as well. I think it all stems from Lord of the Rings.

@terrylandess6072

10 ай бұрын

There is a lot to absorb. Just 'now' watching a new thought dawned on me: The poor people living in Minas Tirath and Osgiliath have never seen a 'proper' sunrise while there with Mordor rising in the east and 'recently' billowing smoke. They may get Sun around 10 AM.

@gestaltdude

10 ай бұрын

Remember, the whole motivation behind LotR was Tolkien's regret that England had been robbed of it's own ancestral mythology. Invasions, occupations, and the influence of the church, basically erased all the old stories the ancient Britons told among themselves. They had the Arthurian legend, but nothing that counted as a creation mythology, unlike the Reek, Romans, Egyptians, Norse, etc. The world of Middle Earth was meant to foll that void, and so important was this task to Tolkien that he was working on it until his death.

@Hero_Of_Old

10 ай бұрын

​@@gestaltdudeand sadly its being erased again

In the original script, Saruman was supposed to yelp when he was stabbed in the back. Sir Christopher Lee protested saying that's not the sound a man makes when he's stabbed in the back. Jackson inquired and Lee told a story of when he was in WW2 on a clandestine mission and he had "first hand " experience on what noises a man makes when stabbed in the back. Sir Christopher Lee had a very interesting life from being personal friends with royalty in Europe, stage and film actor, creating a heavy metal album and of course being a Nazi hunter during and after the war for the crown. He was once asked what exactly did he do during the war in an interview. Lee responded to the question with "Can you keep a secret?" the interviewer said "Yes" to which Lee replied "So can I." and left it at that.

The Nazgul scream is the corrupted song of Melkor. So it is the most beautiful song you know but in reverse so every sound that makes you feel good makes you feel dread or pain.

The rewatchability factor of these movies is seriously off the charts. Truly hard to believe I've been watching them once every year for the last 20 years, and they just keep getting better and better. I love to watch them around Christmastime. All the decorations and lights make the magical quality of the movies pop even more.

@karadrazbliss9865

10 ай бұрын

Feel you bro... Christmas time means Die Hard and LotR 🤩🤩🤩

@user-blob

10 ай бұрын

😁😁😁Yes. Me too.

@buffybot11

10 ай бұрын

...and I thought we were odd for doing the exact same thing. It's a Christmas tradition for many years now, along with watching the Doctor Who Christmas special and rewatching 'Hogfather', 'Going postal' or 'The colour of magic' 😂

Fun fact: Podrik singing Jenny of Oldstones before the Battle at Winterfell in GoT 8x2 mirrors Pippin singing Edge of Night at the Battle of Minith Tirith. Just one of many times the GoT team showed their love of LoTR.

So glad you guys enjoyed the trilogy!

The hobbit is a lot more theatrical but they’re still very good. I’d be hyped if y’all reacted to it!! Also I commend you both for watching the extended editions on your first watch though. I usually recommend the theatrical cuts because the additional scenes mainly add flavor text/information. But you both are troopers!

@MattLathrum

10 ай бұрын

Considering how they dove into the lore videos of Game of Thrones, seeing the extra background of the extended editions won't be lost on them. There is so much deep history to Tolkien's world of Middle Earth, it's worth it.

@kameronlynch4231

10 ай бұрын

@@MattLathrum I just joined in on their channel with these reactions, but I admire that a lot! GOT was a lot to keep up with and I definitely applaud them with how well they kept up with their first watch through on EXTENDED editions of these movies. This was so fun to watch.

It's not in the films but in the books it's hinted at that before Gollum disappeared into the Misty Mountains, he was responsible for the disappearance of babies from the homes of the woodmen in the eaves of Mirkwood. It's inferred that Gollum was eating them. Gollum was never good.

@MySerpentine

10 ай бұрын

Gollum was evil. Smeagol was just pathetic, and I really wish he could have been saved.

@terrylandess6072

10 ай бұрын

Since Lord of the Rings Online has had time to add more and more of Middle Earth, I recently had the pleasure of stumbling upon Smeagol's area of origin. A small 'hidden' glen east of the Misty Mountains which indeed are just west of Mirkwood and appear to be under the protection of the Eagles. The Gladden Fields.

Andy Serkis voiced and motion acted Gollum/Smeagol - He also did the same job in Planet of The Apes and is just an immensely talented actor. You should check out some behind the scenes footage of Andy playing out the Gollum role, it's really awesome!

@Ben-fl6rf

10 ай бұрын

In order for the motion capture to work correctly at the time, Andy Serkis had to play the scene twice wearing two different motion capture "suits". He did a fabulous job in his performance and should have been nominated an oscar at least for it.

@jamesh2401

10 ай бұрын

@Ben-fl6rf I didn't know that detail, that's very interesting! Yes, he should definitely have won an Oscar. I think he deserves more recognition for his acting, especially the movement acting he does.

@filthycasual8187

10 ай бұрын

He was also recently Alfred Pennyworth in "The Batman."

@autje1970

10 ай бұрын

He also played King Kong in, well, King Kong.

@bobdonda

10 ай бұрын

Planet of the Apes reactions could be good, those were some solid movies

Gondor is the Kingdom, Minas Tirith is a city in the kingdom of Gondor (the greatest city, and the capital of Gondor)

Nerd fact: Aragorn is descended from Numenor, who were not only long-lived, but were gigantic, physically imposing, 7 foot tall men, which was the reason Sauron feared them... After the fall of Numenor, the bloodline got mixed with normal men and they gradually disappeared, with only those like Aragorn who inherited their long life

That line from gollum when he says why does he hate poor smeagol, what has smeagol ever done to him is such a great line but he seems to have forgotten that when they first met in the movie he did try to kill them both lol

One of the things LOTR does so incredibly well is giving each character a chance to really shine, but more importantly, play an essential part in the success of the journey/battle(s). It's so brilliant they way they function as a team, but also individuals.

Just realized I hadn't given you my support for this one yet. 🤗 You didn't seem have many questions out of this one that couldn't be explained by the next half, so I will just say: The lighting of the beacons was *AWESOME* in theaters! And don't worry, if you decide to watch The Hobbit, I haven't given you any spoilers. Even my Faramir rant was only because I knew you had already watched this. I can't bring myself to actively encourage anyone to watch The Hobbit, so you'll have to decide for yourselves if that's what you want to do, but if you do, I'll watch your reaction. Other than that, my only comment is: I wish they had also made Gandalf's sword glow blue. It was actually supposed to, having come from the same place as Sting.

@SpartanandPudgey

10 ай бұрын

❤️❤️ We are doing the hobbits next! Gandalfs sword glowing would have been cool

Ya, I love the look of Minas Morgal (the dead city,) too. To my eyes, it's akin to a shadowy version of the Emerald City. Fellowship of the Ring is my fav of the films, but the lighting of the beacons is the most emotionally moving scene for me. I could envision myself on a mountain top, standing sentry to light a fire. They are warning beacons, not symbolic at all. They derive from historical sources on Earth, and Tolkien was familiar with them.

While the Hobbit trilogy doesn't hold a candle against this one, I do believe they are worth watching. They are entertaining enough to me, and as you say, you get to spend some more time in the world :)

@hater2764

10 ай бұрын

After "Rings of Power" those movies feels like a masterpiece in comparison....

@fakecubed

10 ай бұрын

Nah they're garbage.

@Djibox

10 ай бұрын

Please dont watch The Hobbit and (this goes without saying) RoP they are garbage

@fakecubed

10 ай бұрын

Rings of Power is an abomination.

@cabel000

10 ай бұрын

The Hobbit was such a disappointment. If it was only two movies, it would have been much better. Rings of Power is just a "girl boss" DEI disaster.

In the books Sméagol is described as coming from a race of people who are similar to hobbits. Also, the thing with breaking Saruman’s staff. Gandalf cast Saruman out of the wizarding order. Breaking the staff was a symbolic gesture as well as Gandalf breaking Saruman’s powers.

@di3486

10 ай бұрын

One of the tribes of hobbits

@jordanhansen5934

10 ай бұрын

@@di3486 thank you

Cool, that you like Gollum / Smeagol so much. Surely one of the most interesting characters of the story. And also cool to hear your suspicions up before you watch it. I would like to not know all the endings and be able to see them again for the first time...

When the orcs start to attack Gondor and the scene when Gandalf takes command gives me chills till this day 🤣

@ryanhampson673

10 ай бұрын

"Whatever comes through that door you STAND YOUR GROUND!"

Bro... i cant wait for the rohirrim charge... it always brings me to tears... Please for the love of all that is sacred guys put Theoden's speech and the charge until they make contact with orcs, uninterrupted.... Its like three minutes only and its the best part of the trillogy.... The music makes me cry everytime. THANK YOU.

@karadrazbliss9865

10 ай бұрын

God damn... You brought water to my eyes just reading your comment... Arise, arise, riders of Théoden! Spears shall be shaken, shields shall be splintered! A sword-day, a red day, ere the sun rises!

@Ben-fl6rf

10 ай бұрын

SPOILERS! (seriously, can't wait either 😉)

@neddhu

10 ай бұрын

@@Ben-fl6rf It is clear that Theoden and the guys will fight the orcs. Its not a spoiler.

@Ben-fl6rf

10 ай бұрын

@@neddhu It was a joke.

@SpartanandPudgey

10 ай бұрын

no chance we can get that through copyright. impossible. youtube has become ridiculously strict. we'll try our best to capture the shows key moments as always.

That Spartan face edit on Gollum's head frame was brilliant XDDD And then THE line to top it all off! Hats off!

Always gives me a chuckle, because as a Maia, Gandalf is older than the Arda (physical world), but obviously for Treebeard (being at least 11000 years old), Gandalf, as an “old, beardy wizard” roaming the Middle Earth, is about 9000 years younger. When Gollum said he wouldn't hurt a fly, he accidentally kills one, that was just sitting on his forehead. Gondor is the kingdom, Minas Tirith (the Tower of Guard - in translation; formerly known as Minas Anor - Tower of the Sun; nicknamed The White City) is the current capital city of Gondor. Unfortunately, Denethor was using another Palantir (seeing stone) to gain information and wisdom, but he pulled into a trap, and was fed lies and intimidation by Sauron himself; that's why he is so bitter and broken in the end. He can't see any hope.

40:36 In the books Faramir was a very heroic and more like Aragon (in a way I'd say) and definitely proved his worth. 48:05, 46:51 His father Denathor was also more competent and noble and also had a crytal ball like Saruman through which Sauron made him loose hope in winning the war, in the books. Sadly they didn't show that in the movies.

@beanwithbaconmegarocket

10 ай бұрын

They did Faramir dirty in the movies imo. Because he never tried to take the Ring. In the writers' defense, it was a good choice for the cinema since at that point in the story, Faramir letting Frodo go immediately would have de-escalated the tension right when they needed to build it towards the film's climax. However, for book fans, it was tough to see Faramir lose the plot for a moment.

@Makkaru112

10 ай бұрын

Denethor was done dirty: He was way more noble & mighty in the books. Not to mention he contended wills with Sauron for decades nonstop & ontop of that even now he was never broken nor could Sauron alter what Denethor would see in the palantir even then he couldn’t control what Denethor had control of which was how he CHOSE to INTERPRET the visions given to him. Using it all to Gondor’s advantage! ❤ he also lit the beacons and got the women & children far away from the city longer ahead of time. So the movie butchered him as well as faramir but they didn’t butcher faramir as badly thankfully. He could have been shown to give Pippen his newest order to light the beacons so then it wouldn’t change the scene much at all as presented! The story here is Faramir’s birth ended up killing his mother Finduilas(named after an elvish princess from the era of Children Of Hùrin was set in);she was a Numenorean woman of the Faithful which her ancestors survived the Cataclysm of Númenor by the way! He was hurt deeply by her death and ontop of that Faramir had the likeness both in temperament as well as his appearance/bearing so he ways reminded of his wife over and over again by Faramir who was just like her, and all it took was a simple look or what-have-you to drive the knife in deeper into his heart about his wife. But also Aragorn when he went by the name gifted to him as Thorongil Denethor’s father basically overshadowing him from his own father so he is as psychology goes: treated Boromir the same way his father treated Aragorn/Thorongil. Note that Boromir and Faramir are half Númenorean which is a big thing as far as the legendarium goes! And it’s something to note that he treated Boromir like his father treated the clandestine Aragorn as Thorongil. Denethor actually did many things the movie shows him not doing or neglecting. He was VERY competent and mighty in many craft and (even a lore-master to a degree). He had quite alot of mental and “magical” might which is why he could contend with Sauron too without being harmed in there process in any way!

So, Peter Jackson has a cameo in each of the 3 films. In this one, he's the guy Legolas accidentally shoots on the boat at the end of this half. In the 1st film, he's in the town of Bree right after the Hobbits enter, eating a huge carrot. In Two Towers he's in the battle of Helm's Deep throwing a rock down onto the orcs. A lot of the crew have cameos. Brief little moments for them to be on screen amid the huge work they did to make this all happen. The producers, the VFX leads, etc.

"I give Hope to men, I keep none for myself." -- the epitaph of Gilraen, the mother of Aragorn, whose elvish name is Estel, which means Hope. After his father was killed by orcs, she brought Aragorn to Rivendell for protection because the enemy hunted.He was raised there by Elrond and grew up with his sons and met Arwen. He visits Gilraen's grave in FOTR just before they leave Rivendell.

The guy who played the role of smeagol/gollum for preparing CGI for the Charakter is an amazing actor himself! In " the Hobbit" he even was second director. You really should react to these movies/films too because you would miss a big part of this EPIC story!!!❤

33:40 The beacons scene was inspired by the Fall of Troy, that was the way that the entire ancient Greece learned the news that the city fell before 3200 years in a single day.

It's lovely to experience this trilogy through the eyes of innocents i.e. those who have not read the books. Watching you speculate about what is going to happen brings a fresh perspective to a familiar narrative. I have never had the luxury of anticipating the movie plot, having first read LOTR as a prescribed text in Year 11 English and re-read it almost every year since (nearly 45 years!). The only surprises really was what was omitted or abridged. Keep up the good work!

They do Denathor dirty in the movies… In the books, he does eventually lose his mind, until then he was honorable and an effective leader. He did play favorites between Boromir and Faramir though, and was a bit abrasive in personality. He had a seeing stone too, and used it to spy on Sauron… He fought the corruption for a long time, and Boromir’s death was the breaking point that allowed Sauron the opportunity to finally break him.

From Wikipedia: The first three of these five Wizards were named in The Lord of the Rings as Saruman "man of skill" (supposedly Rohirric, in reality from Old English), Gandalf "elf of the staff" (northern Men, in reality, Old Norse), and Radagast "tender of beasts" (possibly Westron). Tolkien never provided non-Elvish names for the other two; their names in Valinor are stated as Alatar and Pallando, and in Middle-earth as Morinehtar and Rómestámo. Each Wizard in the series had robes of a characteristic colour: white for Saruman (the chief and the most powerful of the five), grey for Gandalf, brown for Radagast, and sea-blue for the other two, who are known as the Blue Wizards (Ithryn Luin in Sindarin).[4] Gandalf and Saruman play important roles in The Lord of the Rings, while Radagast appears only briefly, more or less as a single plot device. He innocently helps Saruman to deceive Gandalf, who believes Radagast since he is honest, but fortuitously alerts the eagle Gwaihir to rescue Gandalf. The two Blue Wizards do not feature in the narrative of Tolkien's works; they are said to have journeyed far into the east after their arrival in Middle-earth, and serve as agitators or missionaries in enemy-occupied lands. Their ultimate fates are unknown

Minis Tirith is the capital city of the Kingdom of Gondor. It was once a smaller outpost and the ruins we see Boromir and Faramir fighting in was the original capital city known as Osgiliath that is now in ruins from years of wars with the orcs.

@scottwallbank4794

10 ай бұрын

And the city the mordor army marches from is Minas Morgul, renamed after being taken by the enemy from its original name as Minas Ithil.

I'd definitely recommend watching the Hobbit, it's very different from Lord of the Rings and I agree that it's not as good but then again, in my opinion no other movies really come close to matching LotR so idk how fair of a criticism that is. I'd definitely watch a reaction to them and I think a lot of others would too

Pippin is the youngest of the hobbits and considered a "tween". As we've seen, he hss a penchant for getting into trouble as his mischievous nature seems to seek it out. We also observe that Gandalf is more serious in nature has little patience for Pippin's "nonsense". Also working against Pippin's effort to stay out of trouble is his family name - Took. The Took's are known throughout the Shire as a more adventurous group. Tolkien refers to them as a "queer" folk, in the more classical use of the word. Other hobbit families can not understand the inner motives of the Tooks and why if there's trouble to be found - a Took will find it. Some people would call them brave, but most hobbits would call them foolish. If you recall from the scene at "The Green Dragon" in FotR, one of the old gaffers gives the advice, "Keep your nose out of trouble and no trouble will come to you." That seems to be a perfect proverb for Pippen to tattoo somewhere he can read it. As Peregrin Took points out at the tavern in Bree, The Prancing Pony, Frodo is his cousin. Frodo Took, when he was young, was favored by Bilbo and adopted as Frodo Baggins. Bilbo's mother, Belladonna, was a Took before taking Baggins as her married name. This, Gandalf explains in The Hobbit, is why he decides to nudge Bilbo into "going on an adventure" with the dwarves to reclaim Erebor from the dragon, Smaug. Maybe one needs to be a fool to confuse that kind of quest as an "adventure". I'm loving your guys' reaction to my favorite trilogy of all time. I'm still waiting for a reaction channel to react to some of the "behind-the-scenes" videos included with the extended cut edition dvds. They're just as entertaining as the movies, and the methods used by Peter Jackson for special effects, motion-capture and shooting an entire trilogy at once were ground-breaking in the industry. The Hobbit series is good as well. As it features dwarves, I think you'll enjoy it just as you enjoyed Gimli's antics in LotR. I believe the criticism many give the prequels is because they don't get the quirkiness Jackson is going for. It's much like Star Wars in that way. You just have to accept it for what it is, and enjoy the ride. Also, the original director chosen to produce the movies, del Torro, quit and Jackson came in later to save the project. I think he did a masterful job considering he came in at the halfway point to salvage someone else's vision.

The lines were mostly written by Tolkien 70+ years ago. Most word-for-word. He fought in WWI. From 1925 to 1945, Tolkien was the Rawlinson and Bosworth Professor of Anglo-Saxon and a Fellow of Pembroke College, both at the University of Oxford. He then moved within the same university to become the Merton Professor of English Language and Literature and Fellow of Merton College, and held these positions from 1945 until his retirement in 1959. Tolkien was a close friend of C. S. Lewis, a co-member of the informal literary discussion group The Inklings. He was appointed a Commander of the Order of the British Empire by Queen Elizabeth II on 28 March 1972. Read the books!!!

You absolutely should react to the Hobbit aswell. They're good, they just get hate when compared to the Legendary Lord of the Rings. But thats the same with the books aswell. The Lord of the Rings books are praised as the best, but the Hobbit book is considered a childrens story. But they're fun, it's a nice adventure, lots of cool things in every movie. Theres 3 of them too, with extended editions. I'm really hoping you'll watch it, any excuse to stay longer in Middle-earth.

@keziahbartel7276

10 ай бұрын

Yes for sure! I still enjoy the hobbit movies even if they're not the same level at lotr (too much cgi imo). And the book was one of my favourites as a kid

@vvreno

10 ай бұрын

My problem with The Hobbit films is that 3 movies seemed like an excessive cash-grab. The original Lord of the Rings trilogy is about 1500 pages total, depending on the edition. The Hobbit is 304. You don't need three extended movies for that.

@genny5309

10 ай бұрын

@@vvrenoAgree 100%. They’re not bad movies, but it should have only been 1 movie, or 2 at most.

@Pelagion98

10 ай бұрын

@@vvreno Agree. The Hobbit movies actually need a cut edition, and not an extended one.

@hansoerteras3983

10 ай бұрын

@@theredeemer1644 By adapting the book faithfully and not inventing most of the stuff? Read the Book and your question answers itself.

This is my favourite movie of the 3, every emotional moment hits because they developed the world/characters/storylines so well in the first 2 movies. I basically cry for 3 hours watching this, amazing payoff

@joshwhite1606

10 ай бұрын

Alright, your personal top 5 favorite scenes/moments from the trilogy.

@philippalinton5850

10 ай бұрын

It's a crying shame though that the films don't do justice to Frodo. I hate the scene where he believes Gollum over Sam and sends Sam away, it isn't in the book and it's such a betrayal of Tolkien's characters. The films are great overall, but nothing can replace my love for the book. If you read the Appendices at the back of RotK, you will find out what happened to all the members of the Fellowship years afterwards. Tale of Years, Appendix B.

@Bronze_Wing

10 ай бұрын

That's the weakest part of the movie, Frodo would NEVER send Sam away. I understand why they wanted to separate them, but it would never happen. We can blame the ring but I still don't buy it. Sam's return is great though. I've always had an issue with Théoden and Faramir in the Two Towers, but I've learnt to appreciate the changes over the years, particularly Faramir. I still don't love seeing Aragorn lecturing Théoden @@philippalinton5850

@Bronze_Wing

10 ай бұрын

That is so difficult, but i'll try to narrow it down 1. Ride of the Rohirrim 2. I can't carry it for you... 3. Frodo standing on the shore at the end of Fellowship, when he remembers Gandalf saying 'so do all who live to see such times'. That whole sequence is amazing 4. Gandalf telling Pippin about death 5. Lighting the beacons I feel bad for not picking anything from Two Towers because I love that movie, but most of my favourite moments come from RotK. Honourable mentions to Théoden's final scene and Sam's speech at the end of TT Do you have a top 5?@@joshwhite1606

I don't blame Jackson as it does make some cinematic sense, but the changes to Denethor compared to the book make him into a bit of a caricature. In the book he is proud, but also genuinely wise and a good ruler. In the books, for example, Denethor _orders_ that the beacons be lit to call for aid from Rohan, and also summons troops from all over Gondor to defend the city. Thematically, his flaw is that he has given into despair. He has access to a Palantir (the seeing-stones, same as Pippin looked into), and believes that he has seen enough to lose all hope, partially because Sauron has manipulated the visions so that Denethor only sees what Sauron wants him to see. On top of that he is grieving for his dead son, and then believes his other son is dying. He's a very tragic character. It is also very telling that whilst Sarauman, who is literally an angelic being, was corrupted by Sauron through his use of the Palantir, Denethor never was. Denethor never turned to the service of Sauron, and although he turned away from his duty in the end by committing suicide, he never betrayed his people. That speaks of a great deal of strength and resilience.

These movies do a really good job of dipping into the lore without getting lost in it. I wish they could have listed every tiny bit of lore from the books, but that would have been completely untenable, so I'm glad they handled it the way they did. That being said, there's a lot of background stuff that adds to the experience when you know it, at least for me. Palantiri (the orb they got from Saruman is one of these) aren't actually evil in and of themselves. They're basically long range communication devices, kind of like magical Skype. The problem is that Sauron got one of them without anyone knowing, so he's able to talk to anyone who has one. This is why in the first movie, Gandalf tells Saruman "we do not know who else may be watching." The corruption of Denethor and Saruman were both due in part to them having a Palantir. Saruman was already leaning in that direction, but having direct access to Sauron didn't help. Denethor lost hope because he'd seen Sauron's strength through the Palantir in Minas Tirith. The line "I give hope to men, and keep none for myself" was actually said by Aragorn's mother in the books in reference to giving birth to Aragorn. Also, the elvish word for hope ("estel") was the name Aragorn was known by throughout his childhood. I'm so happy the writers found a way to work that line into the movie, and having Elrond start it was great since he was Aragorn's foster father.

The White Tree has a very long and interesting history. The current Tree we see in the movie stopped flowering and bearing fruit when the line of Kings-Aragorn's Ancestors-was broken, representing Gondor's loss of leadership. A previous two white trees were planted by Isildur, the guy who cut the Ring from Sauron's fingers. He stole the fruit of these trees from a White Tree in Númenor , a legendary island of men who were blessed by the Gods with long life. The men of Númenor represent the high point of humanity in the LOTR universe: noble, wise, and very powerful. The reason Aragorn ages so slowly is because he is, again, directly descended from the men of this island. Sauron tricked this men into waging war on the Gods, and the island was sunk beneath the waves Atlantis-style. The tree in Númenor was called Nimloth the Fair, and that particular tree was given to the Men who lived there by Elves as a gift; it was taken from a tree called Celeborn, which itself came from a seedling from a tree called Galathilion. THAT tree was grown in Valinor, land of the Gods, by the Goddess of Agriculture Yavanna. She grew it from a seed of a tree called Telperion, also called the Silver Tree. In the Elder Days, before Humanity was made, the light of the sky did not come from the Sun and Moon but from two unbelievably massive magical trees called Laurelin and Telperion. Laurelin glowed gold, Telperion silver, and they lit all of existence for around two thousand years. Eventually Morgoth, the dark god who Sauron originally worked, poisoned the trees, but Yavanna was able to save the last flower of of Telperion and the last fruit of Laurelin, and these were transformed into essentially giant vessels, each piloted by the equivalent of an angel across the sky every night to give light to the world as the Sun and Moon. So, long story short, the White Tree is symbolically super important and its history is old as the Gods themselves.

Gondor is the region’s name, the Kingdom of the Men. Minas Tirith is the White City, this city build-on-the-mountain. Also, Gandalf had one of the Elven Rings. His owner gave it to Gandalf. This Ring among others, had the ability to inspire people around it and give them hope. Gandalf used to to help people against Sauron.

One thing the movie doesn't explain very well is that, when Pippin looks into the palantir of Isengard, Sauron sees a hobbit and thinks (or wonders if) the ring has fallen into Saruman's hands. (In the book Saruman isn't killed till almost at the end, but the movie leaves that story out entirely.) So he begins the war sooner than he ought to - the orc army that Frodo, Sam and Gollum see marching from Minas Ithil, led by the chief Nazgul, is a direct consequence of Pippin's looking into the palantir.. Because Sauron is left wondering, his 'gaze' remains towards Isengard, Rohan and Minas Tirith and not closer to home - which is a great help to Frodo and Sam. Btw, Denethor has largely become defeatist and without hope because he has been looking into the palantir kept at Minas Tirith and has become corrupted by Sauron.

I’m literally on the edge of my seat! I am so excited to see the rest of your reaction to this bittersweet conclusion of the trilogy! You’re definitely are going to need a lot of tissues for the next part! 🤧😱💛💚🤎

You should watch the Hobbit. From what I’ve seen most of peoples problems with it come from the fact they tried to stretch what is a rather slight book into three movies, which is kind of greedy and mercenary, but really, that’s mostly an issue for people familiar with the source material, I think you guys will really like it.

@MICHAELa1979MJ

10 ай бұрын

Yes, a lot has been added to that trilogy. But most people forget Peter Jackson never wanted to make Hobbit as a trilogy, he thought of one, at most 2 films. It was the producing studio that persuaded him to do 3. I've read The Hobbit and I know that it could have been turned into 1 film, but I still love all three films, because they have the emotional touch of Peter Jackson. As someone said, it's a different vibe, but it's visually beautiful, the actors are brilliant and PJ's emotional/character trademarks are there. It's a wonderful world to roam in

@togetherbewell

10 ай бұрын

I would enjoy seeing a reaction for sure!

@SnailHatan

10 ай бұрын

Nah, there are wayyyy more problems with it. The writing and characters being number one by far.

Yeah ya'll should definitely watch The Hobbit trilogy. I know it's very divisive among fans but still, you should watch it and see whether you like it. There's still a lot of good in these films, especially the feeling of adventure.

@cambelloroxy9420

10 ай бұрын

Oh yes really should 👍🏻

The reason Legolas didn't get drunk easily is because elves were extremely fond of wine, they loved drinking, it is weird that they depicted it as if he wasn't familiar with the feeling 😂 Denethor was highly regarded as one of the strongest and most capable stewards that Gondor ever had.. it was after his wife died that he started to despair and used a palanthir to seek guidance, not knowing that Sauron had returned Sauron tried to control Denethor as he did Saruman but failed because Denethor was a man with a very strong will .. Instead Sauron slowly broke his will by showing him images that made him truly believe that Gondor would fall.. when Boromir died it totally broke the last bit of him, he wasn't always the pathetic person he was in the end

@andreajerankova9930

8 ай бұрын

It like to think that since elven beverages are a lot stronger it was more like "what kind of water is this?"

@Mikael_Puusaari

8 ай бұрын

@@andreajerankova9930 That would imply that elves have developed a strong tolerance to alcohol sp they needed stronger wine, that is alcoholism I think they just loved the wine, it was weird that it was depicted as if he had never ever drunk alcohol before

A little history from a big Tolkien nerd. Gondor is the kingdom, Minas Tirith is it's capital city. At it's founding, there were 3 main cities in Gondor; Osgiliath (the one on the river Faramir took Frodo and Sam to and later fought to try and hold, Gondor's original capital), Minas Anor (meaning Tower of the Sun) and Minas Ithil (meaning Tower of the Moon). After centuries of warfare against Mordor and it's allies, the Nazgul led an army, took Minas Ithil and renamed it Minas Morgul (Tower of Sorcery, the dead city the big army came out of). Osgiliath was fully abandoned and the capital moved to Minas Anor which was renamed Minas Tirith (Tower of Guard) to continue to hold and fight back Mordor. Osgiliath, caught between these two warring cities, was ruined more and more over time. When you realize that Gondor had been desperately holding back Mordor for millenia by this point, the desperation of Boromir and Denethor makes some sense.

iirc, Billy Boyd (Pippin) wrote the melody for "Edge of Night", the song he sings for Denethor during Faramir's charge.

Absolutely watch the hobbit, its not as serious as LOTR. But it's a fun adventure that adds alot of weight to the events of these movies

Just a note about elven drinking. You say they don't drink a lot, but that's not true. Legolas is actually the prince of the Mirkwood realm. His father, King Thranduil, is actually the god of alcoholics. He has a special wine made for him in Dorwinion (a city to the north east of Gondor) that's far stronger than normal wine as regular wine doesn't give the elves a buzz 😂 The wine barrels are actually super important to the prequel The Hobbit. So, Legolas has been drinking super wine since he was born. Gimli didn't know who he was messing with 😂 Also, regarding The Hobbit, definitely watch it. The issues a lot of the fandom have with it, is that they made 3 movies from one short book (unlike LOTR which was 3 books) and that they made a lot of changes and additives to the story as well as overused CGI. While I can understand the gripes, they're still wildly entertaining movies, especially for those who aren't stuck on the book. However, keep in mind that The Hobbit was written for children where as LOTR was written with adult themes. As such, the story is a lot lighter and more whimsical. There's more singing and daftness. However, it retains all the same heart and soul that makes people fall in love with Tolkien's stories in the first place. So definitely give those a watch. Many of us love those movies despite the changes. And the casting and soundtrack are *chefs kiss*.

When Saruman is stabbed in the back, the director Peter Jackson wanted Christopher Lee, playing Saruman, to emit more of a gasp or scream. Lee told Jackson he did it exactly right because as a British commando in World War II, Lee had stabbed many a man in the back and knew exactly what it sounded like. Jackson deferred. Lee knew Tolkien btw and read the book every year since it had been published. He was most famous for portraying Dracula in a series of movies and as Count Doku in the Star Wars series.

I think Aragon didn’t question his ability to fight. He felt shame and unworthiness to rule because his ancestor failed to destroy the ring when he had the chance and he worried that weakness would run in his veins. He had to prove his worthiness to himself by traveling the realms fighting evil.

@dungeonsanddobbers2683

10 ай бұрын

Which is completely at odds with his characterisation in the books. Book Aragorn is a Gigachad who knows it's his destiny to become the king of Gondor, carries Narsil with him at all times (yes, even while it was still broken), and pretty much goes off on the quest to destroy the Ring just to prove to Elrond that he's good enough to marry Arwen.

@Roxyopal77

10 ай бұрын

@@dungeonsanddobbers2683 Yes! Book Aragorn spent most of his life learning about the world of men - fought with Rohan and Gondor, went to the far East and South, even scouted Mordor. He has been preparing for the quest for his whole life, and not once did he think that the was unworthy. He is proud of his lineage, but feels that he needs to earn the right (he first needs to serve the people he intends to rule) - my favourite character from the books.

So fun to watch your reactions! I loved how angry Spartan got at the Steward ( Faromir's father ). That was classic!! Pudgey seems very concerned about everyone and I feel bad she's already so emotional. BIG HUG for you! It will be even more emotional in Part 2...get your tissues guys!! Can't wait to see part 2. Thanks and enjoy every moment cause it only happens once. Keep smiling!🙂🇨🇦

@Makkaru112

10 ай бұрын

Denethor was done dirty: He was way more noble & mighty in the books. Not to mention he contended wills with Sauron for decades nonstop & ontop of that even now he was never broken nor could Sauron alter what Denethor would see in the palantir even then he couldn’t control what Denethor had control of which was how he CHOSE to INTERPRET the visions given to him. Using it all to Gondor’s advantage! ❤ he also lit the beacons and got the women & children far away from the city longer ahead of time. So the movie butchered him as well as faramir but they didn’t butcher faramir as badly thankfully. He could have been shown to give Pippen his newest order to light the beacons so then it wouldn’t change the scene much at all as presented! The story here is Faramir’s birth ended up killing his mother Finduilas(named after an elvish princess from the era of Children Of Hùrin was set in);she was a Numenorean woman of the Faithful which her ancestors survived the Cataclysm of Númenor by the way! He was hurt deeply by her death and ontop of that Faramir had the likeness both in temperament as well as his appearance/bearing so he ways reminded of his wife over and over again by Faramir who was just like her, and all it took was a simple look or what-have-you to drive the knife in deeper into his heart about his wife. But also Aragorn when he went by the name gifted to him as Thorongil Denethor’s father basically overshadowing him from his own father so he is as psychology goes: treated Boromir the same way his father treated Aragorn/Thorongil. Note that Boromir and Faramir are half Númenorean which is a big thing as far as the legendarium goes! And it’s something to note that he treated Boromir like his father treated the clandestine Aragorn as Thorongil. Denethor actually did many things the movie shows him not doing or neglecting. He was VERY competent and mighty in many craft and (even a lore-master to a degree). He had quite alot of mental and “magical” might which is why he could contend with Sauron too without being harmed in there process in any way!

It has been decades since I’ve read the books but when Elrond tells Aragorn that Arwin is dying and you wonder why it doesn’t affect Elrond the same way, I understood it that it affects her because the jewel Arwin gave to Aragorn that he is always wearing is, in some way, her soul or immortality and she was giving up her immortality to be with him. Elrond doesn’t give his jewel to Aragorn.

Totally worth watching The Hobbit, different energy but still good.

I love your channel. I’m going through some dumb life stuff right now but you both are uplifting, hilarious, and have really just got my spirits up. Thank you.

A couple of things that are missing from the movie... Denethor is characterized very differently in the book. In the novel, he is a tall, strong, and regal man with Numenorian blood. He's about the same age as Aragorn, but his blood is weaker and he looks a bit older. His disfavor towards Faramir stems partly from a bit of jealousy towards Gandalf, because growing up Faramir neglected martial pursuits and favored more scholarly ones under Gandalf's tutelage. Adding on top of that Faramir's Numenorian blood was stronger than Boromir's, so he fell into the role of the "disappointment son". His despairing disposition, and eventual madness, stem from a few things. Firstly, Denethor and Minis Tirith have been the vanguard against Mordor for as long as they can remember. Their culture has been built upon standing strong and alone against an overwhelming shadow, and Gondor is consistently getting weaker while Mordor is getting stronger. Minis Tirith, a glorious and beautiful city as it is, was a mere outpost in the kingdom's glory days. The second thing is that Denethor is in possession of a Palantir, the same kind of back stone that Saruman had, so he's been watching the world crumble around him like a boomer with cable news playing 24/7. On top of *that*, Sauron has been feeding him misleading information and purposefully showing him the worst in order to erode his morale. Saruman's death happened a little differently in the book. Grima still stabbed him in the back, but it happened a few months later after he and Saruman snuck out of Isengard to wreak some havoc in the Shire out of spite to the hobbits. There was an arc near the end of the book about it. There are actually more wizards! We know of at least three others besides Gandalf and Saruman. There's Radagast the Brown, who is kind of a druid archetype and makes an appearance in the Hobbit movies, and then there are the Blue Wizards who no one really knows anything about besides that they went to go hang out in the desert east of Mordor. It is said though that Gandalf was the only one who survived or stayed true to their original purpose, which was to give council and guide the other races in the war against Sauron. Saruman got jealous and power-hungry, Radagast got too caught up with his animals, and the Blue Wizards are just MIA.

@Makkaru112

10 ай бұрын

Loooove this. Love you guys so much. ❤

Re: Arwen and her dying... Elrond is actually a twin, and his brother's name was Elros. They are actually half-elves, the twin sons of two half-elves. Half-elves in Tolkien's mythology are given the right to choose which people of their ancestry they wish to identify with. If they identify with the elves, they remain elvish and retain their elvish immortality. Their half-elf children after them will also have this choice. But if they identify with men instead, they lose their immortality and become mortal, like men. Thanks to their elvish ancestry, they have incredibly long lives compared to other men, but they still are mortal and will eventually die. Now back to Elrond and Elros-Elrond chose to identify with the immortal elves, but Elros chose to identify with mortal men. Elros became, in time, the first King of Numenor and is the progenitor of the royal line of Numenor and, thus, also of Gondor. He is the direct ancestor of Aragorn, which means Elrond is actually Aragorn's great-great-great-great-great-great-great(etc.) uncle. Being the daughter of a half-elf who chose to be elf, Arwen now also has her own choice to make. That Elrond tells Aragorn that she is dying means she has chosen to relinquish her elvish immortality and identify with mortal men. She is becoming mortal and so, in time, will die.

Great reaction! Definetly watch the Hobbit, I think if you go into it with the right expectations, that it isn't as good, its more just a fun bit of bonus content on top of the main trilogy then you can have a good time and enjoy getting a bit of backstory to some of the characters.

@timmcgrath8030

10 ай бұрын

The stuff with Gollum and Smaug alone is probably worth watching The Hobbit