Hi! Some of you may have seen this before as it was originally released more than 12 months ago. I’ve just come across a few better visuals so wanted to update it. I am currently half way through a brand new 32-minute video and that will be out early next week! Thanks you.

@michealpayton2148

Жыл бұрын

you've left out the possibility that it may have been unfinished for the same reason that the rest was covered back up

@joebloggs2369

Жыл бұрын

I think the enclosure is a working area, where the masons could work on the pedastles placed in the holes. The site was flat for easy movement to the temple before setting in place.

@TheNewOrder121

Жыл бұрын

What a great vid love it been following the G/TEPE stuff now for yrs 12,000yrs of history.

@XPFTP

Жыл бұрын

i just dont get why people dont understand what the whole site was for.... it was the aliens... geee wizzz ... hahhahahha i had to say it lol ................good vid.. keep up the good work ..

@philbarker7477

Жыл бұрын

There is no doubt whatsoever the Gobekli was the first.Indeed earlier versions have now been found.Furthermore you start small and then get more ambitious.This can be so easily seen in Egypt.First small mast as,then bigger ones,then double ones,then a complete step( mastana) pyramid.Finally the true pyramids of stone.then later ( quicker,cheaper,easier) brick pyramids. The same will be true of this religious cult.We probably haven’t found the earlies ones yet.

As a carpenter, I can definitely see site E as a working platform. I often set up a work area on the outside perimeter of the project at hand. This site could have also been a test area for stone digging and to perfect the pillar raising techniques . Forward planning is a must for such a large project.

@ssherrierable

Жыл бұрын

Lmao as a carpenter you can’t possibly offer us any input that could help us understand anything we’re seeing there for the age it supposedly all is. As a scientist or archeologist you might have some good input to offer us but this things a mystery. All I could think of is someone a lot later faking this place to make it seem 12 thousand years old…

@ssherrierable

Жыл бұрын

Even working for masons and bricklayers Im flabbergasted with no clue here. Yeah they had to work from somewhere but usually where you set up on a job site to work from is eventually covered up with all kinds of different things and not just left there forever as the work area…

@Atroposian

11 ай бұрын

I'm with you here. For such a long-lived in site with constant remodeling and expansion, I do not doubt this was something like "the student's circle" where younger folks were trained.

@lahaina4791

8 ай бұрын

​@@ssherrierable So you are a mason's laborer? No wonder you are so smart.Had to step on the comment of the carpenter did you.

Was this a test area? No, I don't think so. The effort involved was considerable and even if things did not go the way that was wanted, work would have proceeded to a finished item. Next generation work would build on what preceeded, with the first 'draft' being kept and used, even if only for a short period. I built a couple of stone barns and walls, with the first efforts very much being a learning curve, but I kept these as they could be used. The final barn was a masterpiece as far as I was concerned, and I would build any new ones to this design. Took me 10 years but in the end, was worth the effort. I find this whole area of Gobekli Tepe fascinating as I know the effort required to complete even just a basic levelling of the ground. regards from uk.

Solid analysis as usual. This Gobekli Tepe site seems to have many secrets but it also has a great story to tell.

@OrdinaryCritic

Жыл бұрын

Who would’ve known that having many secrets mean it has a great story to tell! That’s too deep! 🤯

@diggerbones5292

Жыл бұрын

I agree with this theory. This is my first thoughts as well.

@bujfvjg7222

Жыл бұрын

Solid analysis? "Maybe, I think, Probably". Yeah, very SOLID...

I wondered which direction the prevailing winds come from? If it was the first one setup just because it had the best all-around View, then the cup marks could actually be where the roof kept leaking because prevailing winds, same thing as putting a pan under a dripping roof. I'm sure most of you have not had to deal with that, but I I'm old enough and have lived in crappy enough places that that has been an issue.

@UpTheIrons51510

Жыл бұрын

Rainwater gutter collection point

The holes in bedrock could be where grain was ground onto flour. Similar holes exist in southwest US where pre Colombian Indians ground acorns (I think) into flour.

@828confido

Жыл бұрын

@ Big Bend National Park, Texas

@douginorlando6260

Жыл бұрын

@@828confido 😁I was thinking of near Tucson Az

@lahaina4791

8 ай бұрын

Plenty in the foothill of the Sierra Nevada in California.

All that’s left of ancient structures is stone. It would be easy to presume stone was used for properties that wood works much better. Relying on stone evidence and ignoring where wood was more likely is like a paleontologist looking at dinosaur bones and concluding all dinosaurs looked like Skeletor. I’m glad we have this channel … it promotes stepping back to make room for creative thinking and logically looking at the possibilities.

I visited three years ago, certainly the T-shaped stones are bizarre, and also precarious and unstable. In the circles they resemble people facing each other and talking; there's a suggestion of vibration and the strangeness of a very distant culture. The main site now has a modern roof with walkway over it.

@peterjf7723

Жыл бұрын

I hope to visit Göbeklitepe either later this year or next year.

@seanmchugh840

Жыл бұрын

@@peterjf7723 Near Sanliurfa city SE Turkey; there was a reduced public bus service when I visited with only a few trips per day but it was during Covid (which Turkey largely ignored). Most people seem to have their own transport. Roasting hot out in the desert.

What are the odds that the main complex at Gobekli Tepe was designed to be underground while in use? If they were roofed, what material was the roofing made of? Is there any remnant of any such material? The site is about 8 hours' travel from the Fairy Chimneys; that made me wonder if GT were meant to be an artificial cave.... Especially since the lower stage seems to have been in the beginning phase of being dug out, and then abandoned as a bad bet.... My mind sees the main complex as a "destination," and platform E as a staging area or, alternatively, lookout, on the approach to or exit from the hilltop site.

I think it more likely that the two pits held grain. One can clearly see the many grinding holes (mortars) right next to the pits, so the two are associated in their functions. The circular enclosure missing the upright t-pillars may have been used to display the current ruling couple, with the pillars representing each ruler relocated to an enclosure in the nearby mound after their rule ended. They would have then been surrounded by pillars representing members of their family/supporters, eventually buried and preserved for posterity.

Wouldn't a large lake be better to hold water than little holes? Little holes would dry out quickly because of water surfaces and possibly heat from the ground. These people knew how to work with nature

@douginorlando6260

Жыл бұрын

I think they were holes used to grind food into flour. Mortar and pestle. American Indians would make flour by grinding acorns

hi, Matt! good ole Goebekli! always some mystery to solve! the unfinished and too exposed hypotheses make the most sense to me. i think the practice one is just a little too much work went into it; looks full sized, to me. you'd think they'd do tests on a smaller scale, to prove the concept. but then, whata i kno🤯 anyhoo, another good mystery to wrap my head around! thanks!

@barrywalser2384

Жыл бұрын

Lots of good mysteries. 👍🏼

@floydriebe4755

Жыл бұрын

@@barrywalser2384 mystery......yum😋

YAY!🎉🎉🎉back to the Tepes!!!!!!!🎉🎉🎉🎉

Your Gobekli Tepe and related videos are fantastic, I have massive respect for your work.

@AncientArchitects

Жыл бұрын

Thank you 🙏

How much do we know about the climate during the period of construction ??? Where any trees or forests near by? Thanks for another great episode.

@Olkv3D

Жыл бұрын

savanna

The suggestions here are sound, and the site and its mystery are very interesting. There are other possibilities to explain a detached and noticeably distant location of less sophisticated design. Less developed people, since ancient times, have isolated menstruating or pregnant women away from the main settlement [this is recorded in the Old Testament], this is also true of people with diseases like leprosy, there are people who have a caste system that requires certain castes to remain away from the main population, and it could be a punishment site. There are lots of possibilities suggested by anthropological, sociological and historical data and theories. As usual, we note that they were not literate, so there are no obvious records, and, of course, "We just don't know!" Another extremely interesting and thought-provoking video. Thanks again Matt, for all of your excellent work. Stay calm, well and carrying on!

hello Matt happy Friday and a good weekend for you. love all your uploads AA🏗 ❤

@AncientArchitects

Жыл бұрын

Happy Friday to you too, Nancy!

My first thought was that the higher elevation area under discussion was an impromptu signaling area where fires could be lit, allowing communication between the main GT enclosure below and more distant areas. Perhaps distant hunting parties could send messages of how the hunt went before they arrived. But the "test bed" hypothesis sounds quite plausible.

This will be great! Liked the video, now I'll watch it! Thank you man!

Many anomalies - a perfect match for Matt. 🖖👀🙃😀

More to ponder !! Thanks, Matt.

Explanation Real European History : Haplogroup R1b,R1a (Indigenous Europeans)(Basques, Gaels, Poles) Haplogroup I (Neolithic Indo European wave from Anatolia. Megaliths, Polytheism, Pottery, Longhouses, Axes, Sailing ships)(Bosnians,Scandinavians,Sardinians) Haplogroup J2b (Bronze Age Indo European wave. Ancient Mycenean/Minoan Greece. Rome. Writing and Metallurgy) (Modern Cretans) And some lesser sporadic influxes of Haplogroup E (North Africa) and Haplogroup G (Western Caucasus) Proof Every single word associated with agriculture in Europe is of Indo-European origin. There are also many maritime words as well such as "sail". Suggesting the Indo-Europeans were avid seafarers.. "Plough" "Sickle" "Wheat" "Bread" "Milk" "Cattle" "Goat" "Sheep" "Lamb" "Wool" "Swine" "Wine" "Olive" "Beer" "Mead" "House" "Floor" "Wall" "Roof" "Nail" "Hull" "Rudder" "Sail" "Pot" "Axe" Every one of these words came from and with the Indo-Europeans....Suggesting the Indo-Europeans wrere synonymous with the advent of agriculture in the fertile crescent.....And they were certainly NOT "Steppe nomads"

a) Maybe it is their security post being placed on the main route leading to the enclosures at the top of the hill. b) It is a fire signal station. c) Watch tower like function being at the ridge. In all those interpretations/guesswork the cisterns could act for provisions for officers/guards, pillar bases (and hence pillars) could be functional for a roof for protection against elements.

Thanks for your insight and speculations. I am curious to learn of any local myth and legend related to the mound, before the modern era. When Turkey was part of Anatolia. Perhaps called something that translates to "Place of Wishes". There may also be a tree that is representative of lore associated with the mound. I read that long ago local women tattooed their faces with the same or similar symbols as craved into the pillars. This was allegedly discerned after the excavation of the main enclosure. The photographic results of a google search clearly show this practice has fallen out of fashion as the remaining women are aged. I appreciate reading your thoughts.

A testing area IS a purpose. That seems the most reasonable explanation in my mind.

I appreciate and enjoy your videos and your explanations very much; also your practical non-sensational approach. I have a few questions with a common theme: 1. I read a book years ago about the archaeology of the cave of John the Baptist. It showed the importance of a foot-bathing ceremonial tradition in Biblical times, perhaps it was handed down from earlier. Is there evidence of any body-bathing ceremonial traditions in Neolithic times? There was considerable effort put into directing a supply of clean water to this cave. 2. I understand the floors of enclosures at Gobekli Tepe were of burnt lime, which would make them waterproof. Other formations had bedrock, such as the one discussed in this video, also other places like Karahan Tepe. It seems important to have at least a floor capable of holding water, by whichever means. 3. I worked in Oil and Gas and became very familiar with process separation of solids from fluids by simple systems of weirs and containment capacity for holding a volume. When I look at Karahan Tepe or Gobekli Tepe, I think I see the same ideas at play: a flow of water spills into some primary containment (a hole or cistern, or a primary enclosure) where its sediments can drop out. The upper level of water that spills over to the next step is much cleaner, and the process can be repeated. At Gobekli Tepe it seems to me that enclosure B could have been a primary container, flowing cleaner water into enclosure D, and then again into enclosure C. It is the same at Karahan Tepe, with two large holes for the primary containment followed by a weir and successive containment, each holding the water back enough to give it time for sediments to drop out. I think that we see the openings between successive containments much more clearly at Karahan Tepe. The enclosure shown in this video is very similar, in fact I am sure I can see the path of water in and out of the enclosure. That which we do today is not much more complicated, except we add pressure and heat. 4. A shallow water level on a smooth floor might have many uses: water-bathing ceremony, watching the stars at night (I understand that this is a known practice), and carrying sounds or music. There might be many reasons for wanting a supply of clean, clear water on a smooth waterproof floor. It doesn't appear that it was important to keep the water at any significant height, but it does appear important that the floor was waterproof. 5. At Gobekli Tepe there was at least one T-pillar carving of an upside down animal close to the bottom of the pillar. Perhaps this represented the desired height of water in the enclosure, and was made to look like an animal taking a drink. I believe I've seen this at one or two other sites also. 6. I am not sure about the "cistern" features found at Gobekli Tepe, but perhaps they were for water moving from one enclosure by gravity to another. 7. Perhaps the cup-marks on the floor of the enclosure in this video mark the locations of night sky features, as seen by an observer looking down at the floor when it has a small level of water on it. Thank you.

Still an intriguing view of this wonderful site. I lean towards your view of it being a test site or possibly a teaching ground. It maybe purposely made more visible to draw in those lived in surrounding areas.

Perhaps its a finishing workshop, where the t-shaped pillars were smoothed/decorated while they were easily accessible and (possibly) in good light?

Is there any evidence of these being pillars for a roof vs pillars for a floor? Could it have been both? Or are multi story building out the question? Great videos! Thanks for all your work.

@Olkv3D

Жыл бұрын

I've thought similarly

If there is a bench in the pits i reckon this indicates they were indeed filled with water n could have been used for bathing. Probably drinking too. It would make sense given their position, rather than having to go all the way into the valley to get clean n grab a bevvy. My 2 cents. Seems obvious really...maybe lol 😂

@AncientArchitects

Жыл бұрын

Makes sense!

Door to the great pyramid. I have never seen a good video on how it worked, although there are historical accounts. would love to see you to cover this.

Looking forward to the next release.

Awesome video

My opinion is that I love gobekli tepe and all ancient civilizations.

Bravo Matt!

Fascinating

How was it oriented? The other enclosures show a progression apparently following certain constellations. This serves to "date" them in relationship to one another. Based on this, orientation of this one would be indicative of its "time" of construction. If it is the last one, it could mean it was simply never finished and was abandoned with the rest of the site. Only further excavations to expose the other structures can provide any "certainty" as to its chronology in relationship to the rest of the site. It is still possible that the purpose of this particular structure was completely separate from the other, buried structures. IMO

anybody learning a skill has to practice it. Always thought this was a practice site

@humanbridges

Жыл бұрын

Need some dating. Looks a little to me like some of the things you see east of Gobekli

Why did you delist your video on Rockhall bank? That was a great one!

Did the massive amounts of sand covering the site occur by manmade means...a shovelful at a time???...

@AncientArchitects

Жыл бұрын

No, likely natural soil creep as the enclosures are on the side of a hill, not on the summit

@lukemix6463

Жыл бұрын

The site was absolutely intentionally buried. How they did it is unknown but it is a fact that the burial was deliberate!

Rankest speculation here. It could be a guard house, or something like that, with a roof and only shallow walls for protection from the elements. A small fire in the pits could keep the guards warm at night while not allowing the fire to be seen from far away.

I personally love the idea that site E is a testing ground. this makes more since than space aliens or anything else. These people weren't just born with the know how on how to build any of this stuff and had to test ideas somewhere so why not a work area as @Shaun's MTB Rides points out that modern construction sites do today.

3:27 "carefully smoothed limestone floor" - implicates some sort of movement activity, dance, or sport court.

Wonderful information. I don’t believe it was ever finished, for what ever reason. Thanks Matt!

Do the slots that should have housed the two central pillars in this circle F have the same N - S orientation that can be seen in circles A B C and D?

I think it was a finished structure, but because of its exposure, it was the first to fail. I also believe that the roofs were made of sticks, dirt, and animal dung. Rather than a conscious burial of the site, the roof probably just caved in after abandonment. Just my 2tl.

It's where the festivities took place.....party time with a view.😎

Imo i think where those platforms are would be a perfect place for a watch or guard tower of some sort

I think the cisterns,were not cisterns but the original animal watching/tracking pit's.i think you are right about them being precursors,but precursors of star clocks for the timing of following animals on a yearly basis,and being high on the "animal"watching pits they set up Thier first marker for the timing of the animals,,,,but it wasn't low enough to not alert animals,track stars,and avoid the wind when waiting for weeks to follow the animals.could be the oldest animal star clock

I stand with you on this one !!! Test pit , training pit ???

@douglastaylor-ti1yc

Жыл бұрын

It' more like the monoliths of Stonehenge.

The ones depicting cold fusion and warp speed havent been unlocked yet

People have a collective innate understanding of load bearing structures. I suspect people figured out how to construct a wooden truss that would span the distance between the two pillars and the spacing was for whatever purpose the structure was built. Remember the huts built out of Woolly Mammoth bones near a river in Siberia. I believe people used whatever materials were available to make shelter. Gobekli Tepe must have used lumber as well as stone. The wood has long disappeared making it easy to assume stone was used more and wood less. But the background relief on the T pillar looks like a fence made from a woven thatch. And such a thatch could also be employed for extending walls upward. Perhaps that’s why this structure only has the foundation remaining

It's a more strategically important area on the top of the hill. Maybe that was where they watched for other armies or animals to hunt from so it didn't need to be pretty just functional.

Almost all the pillars I see have obvious Nutting marks on top. As if there a raised Nutting stone with huge storage area's below. Kinda like a fishing boat with below deck storage.

In The Sea Between Florida Cuba and Yucatan México there is a mega city under water with incredible structures even more monumental that Egypt

without knowing the whole geography in detail, just a thought but could it have been like a "gate house" along the road into the settlement? They might not be as fussy about it being as perfect if it was just like a shelter for guarding the entrance than an often used building?

You could wander way off base in leaping to the assumption that there even are any missing stone T pillars, the holes in the bedrock surface pedestals could well have been for securing the base of wooden roof support poles that have long since rotted away and disintegrated into dust. Enclosure E could be the surface worksite where all the T pillars got carved before being moved and erected into other buried enclosures. The so called missing T Pillars, may well never have gotten completed, if they still even currently exist on the site in situ, they most likely they would have been repurposed in any of the other interior enclosures that have yet get excavated, or they got moved off got to the side and were buried on site unconnected to any of the enclosures. Maybe after the site was abandoned, they toppled over cracked up and broke, and were long since cut up and worked into smaller more manageable blocks to get carted off below to some more modern structure down the plateau and utilized as building stones. It’s all invariably and undefinable exercise in speculation based on assumptions with out the evidence. At the current rate it’ll take thousands of years to full excavate the entire site, if the full archeological excavation of the site of Gobekli Tepe ever even gets completed at all?…🤔

Seems like a cigar lounge to view the valley beyond

12,000yrs of pre history what an amazing site what more is buried there.

Could the platform just be where they made the finishing touches on the pillars before placing them? Thus making the area just for planning… like a work area?

I like the test ground idea. The evidence is not conclusive, but would a test area have conclusive evidence? My idea is a differernt type of enclosure: one that is only half enclosed and allowed views of the valley for...dare I use the big R. No, testing ground seems more likely.

Any report on how the earthquake affected the site, or was that a short I missed?

@AncientArchitects

Жыл бұрын

No affects from the earthquake.

I look at enclosure E and wonder if the circles with the slots for pillars was a site for sacrifices. The slots could have been to place legs for a large altar. I’m not one to jump to the “religious purpose” label but I’m thinking they would have done sacrifices out doors. The cup marks could have been to hold blood from the sacrifices. A large stone table would have been appropriate to slaughter and burn a large animal like bull. It seems to be at a point higher than the rest. In the Bible there many references to Abraham and his descendants setting up stone altars pretty much wherever they went. It could have been the first thing set up there for temporary use while the rest was being built.

Umm...question....If the stones have been rearranged has anyone been keeping track via physical records regarding the original remains? We have lost the context if we're basing prsumptions on the current crop of pictures and such.

They would only be used during eclipses. Its via eclipses that souls get guided to these structures. There were not enough people for fertility rituals but plenty souls around after a big cataclysm. The pillars may have been moved to a new better aligned structure which means the old one gets buried, probably not to confuse incoming souls allowing them to access to new hosts. There were no roofs at all…. The pillars vibrate at certain frequency matching the frequency of the incoming souls. They would have know all about sound, frequency and vibration. Nikola Tesla would have been around as Tesla even back then…. He is probably the famous ST. Germaine. My 2 cents

Could the replacement of these pillars be due to the procession of the sun? Hence the a, b, c, etc. placements?

@AncientArchitects

Жыл бұрын

I (obviously don’t know) but I don’t think they had a function related to astronomy. But that’s just my opinion.

@humanbridges

Жыл бұрын

@@AncientArchitects Yeah -- I think they might have been situated for a mix of convenience of location and astronomy, but not used for it. Astronomy you just want a high point and some visible geographical features as useful markers.

Having had a rethink of the comments and personal perspectives I’ve come to a conclusion it’s a quarry site for production of artisan monoliths . The enclosures are the display rooms ..??

I think it was a training area, used to teach the younger workmen how to do stoneworking

Could an earthquake in the construction period have necessitated abandoning the site? Either it was no longer waterproof or it was risking subsidence so close to the edge ? @AncientArchitects

No written language but a very finely crafted and artistic carving and Iconography ? This together with what is clearly a well developed constructional methodology may perhaps suggest that the language was maybe there but lost due to the medium - wood or even a crude paper like substance ?

I think people from far and wide travelled there to enjoy ROCK FESTIVALS!!! 🤠

No written language we know of .. "The fine decorations" .. Are a form of language we've yet to understand or decipher. Throughout time, we've thousands of symbols for: kingdoms, families, letters, words, warnings, and emotions. Göbekli Tepe symbols are not mere decorations. Love your work, been subscribed for over a year now ❤

I'm curious what the dimples are on top of all the pillars.

@geoff3656

Жыл бұрын

Hi Moe Yes the dimples on top i think would of been like a slot position for timber roof structures. A beam could rest in..

@moemuggy4971

Жыл бұрын

@@geoff3656 Do you really think there were 20 random beams standing straight up on each pillar? That makes no sense.

A failed start-up? Somebody messed up and got themselves canceled? Your guess is as good as mine.

Hi Matt It’s 118 here .. looking at the landscape and positions of the structures it was probably one of three possibilities in my opinion. 1. A place they milled and stored grain .. high up to stay dry. Perhaps the holes were where they mashed the grain to flour. 2. A metallurgic factory smelters and the pit holes are the left over salt erosion from pickling the probably copper bronze solutions.. 3. A temple site for worship with tuned harmonics in the rooms of a solfeggio style frequency amplifier to ring out sound over the valley bellow . Greek pantheon style bell could have been placed on the vacant area acting as a resonant dish to bring rain when clouds in area. (farfetched) A kind of wilhelm Reich temple for health retreat . Haaaha lots of ideas 💡💡💡💡🗯️👀.. What’s other people’s guess I’m interested to here too…

@marywright4934

Жыл бұрын

Frequency, energy, and vibration is how our conciousness creates reality

@loke6664

Жыл бұрын

It's a bit too early for copper though, and melting copper would have left slag and small pieces for the archaeologists to find. Sure, it could be under the soil yet to be dug but the worlds oldest known copper artifact is 5000 years younger then anything on the site so I think that is a stretch. I also don't really see the practical reason for building it like they did. It could have been a grain storage though, or for storing any kind of food. That makes a bit more sense and anything like that would have razed below due to erosion since so the clues should be found during further excavation if that is the case. But I find it likelier that they started to build an enclosure there and stopped for some reason. The holes points towards it not being finished. My guess would be that they got hit by a storm and they realized that a bit less open area would be better, particularly if water and clay rushed over it. Sure, just because the oldest copper artifact we found is 7000 years old doesn't mean it is the first ever made, that is unlikely but 5000 years additional use of the metal would probably have been found by now. I can't say that for 100% sure of course but I think we need something a bit more tangible to say it have been in use for more then a few hundred years before what our current evidence say. Not sure about the "harmonica temple" either. Mainly because it would have been made out of stone so if that would be the case, it should be lying around somewhere. With no metal and almost no wood in the area stone is kinda have to be the material to use and I am not aware of such a construction during the pre pottery neolithic. But sure, it could certainly have been some kind of temple for rituals they wanted a bit away from the rest of the complex. But that is kinda wild speculations. Considering how much rougher it is then anything else at the site and those holes that seems to be work in progress to remove more floor I think assuming it was an unfinished enclosure just seems the likeliest explanation. But hey, it could just have been a teaching project from the adults to the teens on how to build enclosures too.

@geoff3656

Жыл бұрын

@@loke6664 Hey Loke Thanks for this in-depth understanding of possibilities. I agree with you 100% on all your conclusions. I find it strange that there are animals carved out of and not into the pillars. This means that the stone was far greater in size and was milled to make the flat faces… unless the capstone technology of molten (liquid )stone was adopted . Have any of the pillars been cut open to inspect the continuity of pure stone in body of the pillars. I know that the boulders of great pyramid were a kind of concrete from sandstone pure all the way through (reconstituted) that’s how the joints were wafer tight.. so simple if you see it from a builders perspective. The little growth usually near a corner was where they gathered the bag and tied it off whilst the cement got for a better word ‘set’. This could be a similar story for the pillars but the bump of the bag neck carved to resemble an animal…?

@loke6664

Жыл бұрын

@@geoff3656 With the pyramids, that isn't conclusively proven but a very interesting theory. The problem so far is that to my knowledge no one tried to make similar stones and tested them compared to regular sandstone and the pyramid stones. So right now, the theory is academical but you really need physical testing to prove or disprove it, so I say that is a "maybe" until that testing have been done. But I don't think that is what have been done here in either case and melting the stones would have been a lot more work then just carving it down so I think that is very unlikely too, even if you could test the stones for when it formed, if it was melted down you should get a very different result. But you are right, it certainly is curious since it is a lot more work. I think the reason is more that they wanted the animals to stick out like statues for a reason, maybe religious or aesthetic. I could have something to do with shamanic use of some kind of drug as well, maybe with a little drug use they would see the animals crawl on the pillars? But those are just guesses. They were certainly using concrete in some form in some of the Tepe's like Karahan Tepe and I would expect concrete pillars to be similar to the concreted floors and not look like ordinary rock. As for melting stone, there is a reason we don't do that today. First of all, it requires a lot of fuel to melt rock into lava, secondary it would require a rather impressive infra structure which have not been found at the site and thirdly, it is bloody hard to do, particularly with so large stones. I am pretty sure we would have found signs of fires burning with that temperature, and I think if they were that advanced they would have also been signs of metal working at the place. Now, making concrete is rather impressive and the culture certainly did know how to make that but Occam's razor points towards them making the stones like sculptures for an unknown reason.

Are we still thinking the flat tops of T- pillars are a floor, for a second story ? Thank you, Matt ❤🏞️❤

E , looks like the base of the deeper enclosures.

The era of the beginning of hybridization

Have you ever considered the relationship, if any, and the proximity between Göbekli Tepe, Karahan Tepe and Noah's Ark National Park in Turkey? I believe it's worth the investigation into the possible connection. It appears the discovered sites make a line between Göbekli Tepe and the Noah's Ark site.

@AncientArchitects

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I don’t consider Noah’s Ark to be historical fact. Probably an old Sumerian legend, but much younger than Gobekli Tepe.

@raginald7mars408

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@@AncientArchitects much OLDER!!!

@bryankreinhart

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@@AncientArchitects Also, the biblical city of Haran is located a short 25 miles to the south from Göbekli Tepe, the city in which Abraham lived for several years. It is where Terah settled and died, and from whence Isaac and Jacob both obtained their wives. It seems there would be some kind of connection as Hran is so close to Göbekli Tepe. Carved into many of the 'T' stones are images of many animals. It appears it may have been a "stone age" menagerie but knowledge is extremely limited on all of these sites between Göbekli Tepe and the Noah's Ark site (which couldn't be coincidental, can it?) and only about 5% of Göbekli Tepe has been excavated. Animals depicted on the stone pillars include snakes, foxes, boars, cranes, aurochs, sheep, donkeys, gazelles, leopards, lions, bears, spiders, scorpions, various insects, vultures and numerous other bird species-to name a few. Nearly 100 animals are depicted on the largest of the monoliths alone. And among the identifiable animals, there were numerous other unidentifiable creatures. The animal remains discovered at Göbekli Tepe include the bones of various deer species, sheep, cattle, goats, donkeys, boars, wolves, foxes, leopards and various other wildcats, weasels, badgers, hamsters, hedgehogs, numerous gerbils and various other rodents, and dozens of bird species including geese, owls, magpies, eagles, quails, ducks and thrushes. One study examined some 40,000 animal remains. As Schmidt described it, this truly was a “Stone Age zoo.” Genesis 8: 20 states, "Noah built an altar to the Lord; he took one of each kind of ritually clean animal and bird, and burned them whole as a sacrifice on the altar." Who knows, maybe it was a sacred site and that being the reason it was buried so long ago.

@Vadjong

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Your timescales are truly biblical, i.e. orders of magnitude too puny.

@wuzgoanon9373

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@@bryankreinhart After dealing with as many animals as Noah did, I would have considered burning all of them. As much as I appreciate animals, I have no patience for dealing with them.

I'd choose the ridge to build my home. Probably wouldn't get it right the first time.

good luck,

Has anyone thought About the pit marks on the top of the pillars ,maybe for some mourter to bed roofing beams

@geoff3656

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Unlikely, more like erosion marks from salt pitting..

I’m thinking it was the parking lot for a cantina like Mos Eisley on the planet Tatooine.

Is it possible that they were being taught how to build instead of testing or practicing in closure E?

@geoff3656

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Camp Africa style…yeah.! Perhaps a proving ground for pigeons 😊 There are a lot of pigeon nest dens in Kayseri and Cappadocia regions…

Those God-damn pillar thieves!!! 💀

Hey Matt, your hypothesis sounds fascinating but in my opinion there seems to be only just a low possibility for proofing it's true. Someone else mentioned enclosure E could have been a spa or kind of. And this is someting I am always missing in the discussion of the Tas Tepeler settlements - not specially in yours. In my opinion you are a great researcher coming to smart conclusions. So, here is my question: where did the residents of Göbekli Tepe urinate and defecate? One could not eat, drink, sleep or craft for a day or two, but surely never without urinating and defecating. Yes, maybe these people could have used portable solutions in the single buildings. Actually there is no evidence for that. But if, where did they brought it? These settlements representing well organised societies in a way. With obviously special areas for special purpose for collective use. So, why not for personal hygiene? However, in my opinion this could be because of the emotional processing of disgust. Disgust is an very old basic emotion. It's connected to a strong motive for purity against the stimulus. And it's initiating behaviors and actions that could minimize dangers for health. Things that are disgusting us (and animals), we don't like to get in touch with. We don't like to see, smell a.s.o., we try to get away from or try to remove. So, could enclosure E represent a manifestation of this basic need? Further, just spectulating, if the cutmarks and holes in this area where "made" by the people who lived there first, where they developed because people where preparing let's say useful hygiene products? I'm thinking of pastes for hair to fend off lices for example or perfumed liquids or somethings like that. And at last, we found no evidence that ancient socienties around the world builded special testing grounds. This seems to be a more modern human invention of relatively large contempory socienties. However, maybe I'm wrong and enclosure E is "just" a working ground. But maybe this could also be an interessing interpretation. Let me know, what you are thinking.

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Who says the builders had no written language? They were capable of 'drawing' stylised caricatures of animals and people, so why shouldn't they have had a written language? They certainly had pigments. Maybe we haven't found their writing because even after 5,000 years, the survival of vegetable matter is very rare - so a paper analogue with 'ink' will have completely disappeared after 10,000 years. Or maybe they used a precursor to cuneiform, on mud tablets. Of course, if they got wet, they'd just melt away... maybe permanent records weren't needed. Göbekli Tepe will have almost certainly been designed - it wouldn't be an organic structure evolving over a period of years: "I want this here and that there. Make it look like a thing, and be sure to decorate it with those" works fine if someone is vocally reinforcing it on a regular basis, but a builder (one person couldn't have built the complex) will have had to have followed plans to ensure the that the designer's vision was realised, and that each piece (which was likely manufactured by different teams) fit into the overall project as intended. The _only_ way to achieve this would be to have drawings and written instructions, otherwise there would be scope creep, artistic embellishments, design drift, accuracy issues etc. There would also be unequal participation, differing skill levels etc. affecting the outcome. _None_ of these issues are modern problems, and many of the solutions aren't new either.

Maybe a training/learning center.

How did they figure out the age of this unknown site in the first place?

@lukemix6463

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Biological material embedded in the fill dirt that was used to intentionally bury the site.

Seems like a lot of work to test out an idea, in that period it would taken a lot of waisted man hour to prove an idea ‘could’ work. I know that if I was testing out a way to construct something, I’d either do it to scale (a lot smaller) or only do a section of it to prove the concept. An in-complete structure is the most likely scenario. An earlier version, that had parts reused in later constructions, could explain why it is rougher in design. Though unless the weathering is worse than the images appear to show I think this is a less likely conclusion

@geoff3656

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Hi Wy, You know that is quite a possibility. At the sights in South America there were lots of what looked like machined stone parts left behind like mill ends as they are called in the fabrication industry even at the base of the great pyramid too. So the question is where would these parts be used if they are not in view..? In my opinion it could be underground.. perhaps there is a shaft going somewhere that’s covered at present.. water distribution using pressure water jet mining like they did for tin mining in Tasmania perhaps..?

Enclosure E might have been a “training” area to show people what needed to be done.

I think they were trying to recreate caves that they used to live in. Thinking hey I can make a cave and this is it.

We forget how long it took to become that old.

But how did they cut, move such massive stones. More even, how did they carve laser persision images in relief with just sticks as tools in such hard stone?

Looks like a landing port for a flying craft

did they know uphand what to find ? if they know some megaliths are missing that must be the case....

Maybe these people buried the enclosures as they became irrelevant, ie no longer lining up with the target star anymore. They then filled it in and built the new enclosure to the new orientation. Maybe this was an attempt to understand procession or they discovered it by accident through this process.

It wasn't finished because the budget ran out. "-)*

@AncientArchitects

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Maybe 😂

Maybe they lived underground, to stay out of the heat and grew food on the surface, store houses for grain. A hiding place from invaders. Maybe this. Maybe that.

No idea what no pillars means, no idea what pillars mean... the place is a giant question mark...