A video from about 18 months to 2 years ago that I’ve tried to re-work and update with new images here and there. The audio isn’t great, but I hope you appreciate the information. Cheers!

@jimgillert20

6 ай бұрын

The one enclosure with separated short walls makes perfect sense for bulk food storage.

@JonnoPlays

6 ай бұрын

Great work this was new to me.

@lmccampbell

6 ай бұрын

They have a remarkable similarity to kivas and other semi subterranean structures in north America, obviously no connection but form and purpose could have similarities.

@peterdore2572

6 ай бұрын

After the recent Earthquake in Morrocco and seeing similar brick buildings fall over, it seems very likely that what was Initially determined by Klaus to be Voluntary Infilling, is in fact evidence of it's repeated destruction by earthquakes

@secondarycontainment4727

6 ай бұрын

@09:27 is that a human skeleton? (Center bottom of screen / central room)

Ive followed Taş Tepeler news since day 1 but only recently became convinced they had roofs after i saw a Turkish documentary about Boncuklu Tarla (almost 1000 yrs older than GT). The "portal stones" we see in many of the structures were once encased into the surface of the roofs, they framed the hole where the people would climb down the ladder to get inside. Its a simple and elegant explanation, so no more doubt in my mind on that issue.

I think it's likely a town hall/community centre and the carvings could just be people decorating it over the years like a mural type thing.

The iconography on the pillars could represent clan affiliations, similar to the decorations on west-coast indigenous longhouses (Tlingit, Haida, Tsimshian, etc.), or on totem poles, which often tell the story of an event or the history of the clans/houses that erected them.

@guaporeturns9472

6 ай бұрын

Lived among/Thingit and Haida for years in SE Alaska. Lots of oral history

During their occupational period, these people were in a hunter-gatherer transition period. They relied on "mapping" out the weather changes to see when animals would arrive in the area. Pictograms of the cranes showing lots of water for example hint that the best time to see cranes is during the wetter season.

Once a misconception starts, it's almost impossible to stop. GOOD WORK MATT!!! 🏹🎯

@nozrep

6 ай бұрын

why

@catman8965

6 ай бұрын

@@nozrep Because

@macgonzo

6 ай бұрын

​@@nozrepYou're on the internet, and you ask why? That's pretty ironic 😂😂

I've been subscribed to your channel for a while now over the years I'm still impressed with your ability to change your mind when new facts are found. I'm also really liking your shorts warning people of the dangers of tictoc LOL. Keep up your great work. Oh thank you for the shout out on the 3D mapping guy so cool.

One of the most interesting but at the same time one of the most unknown ancient prehistoric sites in Turkey!

@AncientArchitects

6 ай бұрын

It’s a truly wonderful site

@LuisAldamiz

6 ай бұрын

In Kurdistan! End imperialism!

@danquaylesitsspeltpotatoe8307

6 ай бұрын

@@AncientArchitects You still dont know how old the Great Pyramid is? Its not that hard!

@sitindogmas

6 ай бұрын

​@@AncientArchitectsdude, your at the top of the heap when it comes to this topic, in my opinion, you have the the most current and the best plausible explanations. Thanks a heap lol

@LuisAldamiz

5 ай бұрын

@@Apex-A777 - Wrong in many ways: 1. Kurdistan is a true nation, a very large one, and the only one which actually lives there and has done so for a very long time. 2. Kurdistan is already mentioned in ancient Greek texts as Corduene or rather Korduene, because Greeks had no letter "c". 3. Kurds may descend from various peoples, notably the ancient Hurrians. Armenians do too (Urarteans) but they diverged in the Iron Age, when the Kurdistan area (then Mittani) went to the Medes (Kurdish is generally believed to descend from ancient Median, an Iranic language), while Armenia went to the Armenians or Mushki, a branch of Phrygians, who were in turn probably distant relatives of the Greeks (also Indoeuropean but of European migratory route, unlike the Iranics, who expanded in Asia rather. Addendum: worst of all is when they say "Anatolia", because that region is not Anatolia = Asia Minor but rather Upper Mesopotamia. Again that's an instance of Turkish imperialism.

Thank you for point 2! Nothing pisses me off more than the weak assumptions that anything old was a temple.

The dates we have for G T are from the time it was ABANDONED. Clearly the site was in use for hundreds of years, if not more, before that time.

I love the mystery. There must be so many of these very ancient sites hidden in time all over the world.

@user-rw8xs5uw1u

6 ай бұрын

For certain!

Always appreciate an update, thanks Matt for not allowing the discussion to be pidgeon holed in terms of temples. Giving the whole site and discoveries breadth for futher interpretation. Great work as always keep doing what you do.

When I look at these Tepes I can't help but think of the painted caves of Southern Europe. One of my first thoughts of these structures was, "They built their own caves". Now we know that the caves were instructions to other hunting humans as well as art. Seems it could be a continuation of that tradition. Magic!

@LuisAldamiz

6 ай бұрын

Not really: these were from West Asia, not Europe. West Asia had at the early Neolithic a vast array of different cultures, which are at the root of most of what we see later from Western Europe to South India. The Paleoeuropean caves are fascinating and also contribute to some extent to modern European ancestry but the distinct importance of West Asia, which provided the root of the various layers of European population since the early Upper Paleolithic, cannot be made into a mere subsidiary of European Prehistory, rather the opposite is true: Europe was always an appendice of West Asia.

@dragonfox2.058

6 ай бұрын

@@LuisAldamiz Oh well, I had fun with it. I do think people thought in very similar ways wherever they were

@JonnoPlays

6 ай бұрын

The comment isn't far off the mark. People dwelled in caves in Africa as well as Asia on the way to Europe. I don't see why it wouldn't be in the collective memory.

@lostpony4885

6 ай бұрын

Be careful with that "now we know" axiom. We dont know anything that certain.

@lostpony4885

6 ай бұрын

Yes rock structures being self made caves seems right to me too and art that is both art as well as culturally useful for teaching storytelling etc of the best quality you know how to make

It would be interesting to compare Göbekli Tepe with native American longhouses, which were used for storage, housing, and ceremonial functions.

It is admirable that you dedicate so much of your life to a mystery. •There are two moments in ancient studies that you might enjoy. •The first is from a prehistoric dig that is mentioned in Professor Randall White’s 2018 lecture at the Peabody Museum. kzread.info/dash/bejne/iaRrudOJmabTgLA.htmlsi=b6CbqIr-Kw6Ugw_8 •My favorite part is when he describes lifting a large flat rock and finding detailed markings underneath it, which rewrote their understanding of the site in an instant. •The lecture is exquisite, describing so many moments of discovery of the techniques and respect of archaeology. The subject is The First Art and Music, but there is so much more in it. •My second favorite moment is from a book on cave paintings. (I believe it is The Cave Painters, by Gregory Curtis.) The author is describing a completely different understanding of the meaning of the handprint silhouettes on many cave paintings. •He sees them not as a signature, which would be a modern projection of an ego-centered action to record identity, artistic credit, and ownership. •Instead he saw the cave painters Painting Themselves Into The Rock Walls. It was a way to enter through the solid rock, into its mystical inner dimensions. When I read that it rang like a bell. •The author describes in detail how the drawings in the caves are painted onto/into the 3D surface shapes of the cave walls, and culminates with that description of the hands being painted into the rock. •So I hope you will have rewards like that for your devotion, not just to the unknown, but even to the unknowable. I suspect the correction of the four misconceptions you explain here must have felt similar to those two favorite moments of mine. Well done, and happy trails.

Hey y'all. I'm excited to watch! I believe the layout of the "village" would make the circular structures common areas. I wouldn't be surprised if they did not have communal meals and duties.

Hi Matt❤🕊 Definitely enjoy when you upload and add more information on earlier videos. Can't believe all the sites they are discovering at Gobekli Tepe....tfs~♡⚘

Always glad of an update, Matt - but give yourself a break when speaking of "the experts" on this an any other matter relating to this topic. As an academic of early-modern European history, I can assure you the vast majority of history has been written to satisfy contemporary mores - and as such, the historiography shows lamentable pandering to fashion - academic or sociopolitical. So please feel free to put to one side what "academics" may feel forced to say: the sad fact is that most tenured research people are not free to think. You are. Thank you.

My favorite theory is the animals indicate times of year and the benches there used for storing gathered things of the respective times of year, looking forward to better understanding to support it or something else

Just great to hear the uncertainty of how these places were used & replaced or built over. So many assumptions of the uses of ancient, prehistoric structures do not seem to address the more practical perils of the arduous existence of such primitive populations. As to there occasional abandonment the Louis & Clark expedition encountered several sites that had been abandoned because they were contaminated by fleas & rodents & probably other life threatening influences. Possibly the ebb and flow of a reliable water supply.

Complements on a lucid recap of what is known and what is incorrectly believed about Göbekli Tepe. Some of the now considered incorrect beliefs seem to be left over from initial speculation that has been discarded. I remember several years ago, that the temple hypothesis and the ritual burial hypothesis were both current and mutually reinforcing. Some people just can't seem to adapt their thinking to new ideas. Thanks, Matt, for another informative and thought provoking video.

I think they were gathering halls for different skills within the tribe.

@AncientArchitects

6 ай бұрын

Could be. 👍

@LuisAldamiz

6 ай бұрын

They could not be yet so specialized. To claim that, there should be evidence of professional specialization and, generally, that didn't happen until the Chalcolithic (or at least Late Neolithic), when societies become larger, more complex and begin serious urbanism.

@scloftin8861

6 ай бұрын

@@LuisAldamiz The problem with this analysis is that there's not much of any artifacts other than the structure itself. As yet, we have no way of knowing how organized the people who built the structure were ... although more than we generally want to concede since they built the thing in the first place. As things stand now, without denigrating the skills and abilities of the people who built it, we can't really place what they were doing. We need more research.

@LuisAldamiz

6 ай бұрын

@@scloftin8861 - My take was: (1) there is no evidence for specialization in this site, (2) the general trend only suggests professional specialization much later in time. So there's nothing supporting the OP's claim and the null hypothesis should be that there was no specialization yet or was very limited at most. We should expect more or less everybody to know every skill, surely some would be better at this or that but the condition of say, mason who doesn't grow crops or hunts boars did not exist yet. Everybody was first of all a food producer, and thus also a tool maker, a clothier a home builder and, if time allows and the gods demand, maybe also a stonemason for the sake of art and miracles.

the first thing i thought, when I first saw it, was 'its a flyover!' i think the t shape pillars look like what is used to support big roads. though the curious narrow passages leading to apparently round enclosures seem similar to some ancient underground cities, in Turkey, where a narrow entrance passage forces possible intruders to enter in single file.

Thanx Matt👍🏼

@AncientArchitects

6 ай бұрын

Thanks Lynn

I agree. ...so very intriguing.

The terms ceremonial and ritual are just short hand for 'we have no idea what this was for or how it was used' in traditional archaeology

@AncientArchitects

6 ай бұрын

Some things clearly are, but it’s guesswork for so many things!

@ianthain8138

6 ай бұрын

I worked as an archaeologist and have friends still in the trade, a lot of what is regarded as traditional archaeological fact is just made up, literally just the authors best guess@@AncientArchitects

@ianthain8138

6 ай бұрын

The way you present the evidence and let people make up their own minds about stuff is great@@AncientArchitects

@judewarner1536

6 ай бұрын

​@AncientArchitects Or maybe spiritual and ceremonial were shorthand for the spirits and magic by which daily life in the prehistoric world operated in much the same way as pantheistic recorded history and organised religion in mediaeval England, and even up to the Victorian era, séances on Saturday and Church on Sunday!

@ianthain8138

6 ай бұрын

@@judewarner1536 well we'll never know for sure, your guess is as good as mine or anyone else's

The builders probably closely resembled in culture, the pueblo cultures of north America. Thankyou for your great work.

@strategicthinker8899

4 ай бұрын

It's quite obvious. Hunter gatherers with a permanent settlement made of stone, wood and animal skins.

Do you think there's any chance that the stone pillars were considered valuable enough to have been the subject of raids? Possibly explaining why one was facing backwards. Perhaps they didn't like the iconography and simply wanted it for it's intrinsic value and turning it around was the simplest solution to the issue.

Thank you again. Fascinating information, and I could listen to you all day.

You put some common sense in the table... your interpretation of the data is remarkable... Thanks for another amazing video on this beautiful topic

The main misconception is that it is still a mystery. These are astronomical enclosures, dedicated to measure and teach the agricultural year, but also to transmit the Younger Dryas story. The pillars also served to hold a wool roof, in order to protect grain.

@AncientArchitects

6 ай бұрын

I’m not so sure about the astronomy. It’s an interpretation but far from accepted.

Considering there are theories that fox’s were potentially semi domesticated and would have been excellent guardians against pests that would go after a harvest, the idea that the carving’s could be “protection” is plausible imo.

@paulroberts7429

6 ай бұрын

I live in phillipines my father-in-law has a semi domesticated fox that works with his 3 dogs protecting the Rice, chickens and duck's also what maybe missing from Göbekli is intelligence of domesticated birds of prey.

@kariannecrysler640

6 ай бұрын

@@paulroberts7429 excellent note! I don’t know as much about how long bird domestication has been happening. I do know that today pigeons cannot build nests for themselves because of how greatly human “farming” of them has changed them. Thank you for a new rabbit hole to go exploring my mind on.

@paulroberts7429

6 ай бұрын

Asian is not advanced as the west, the old ways are used, our rice fields are visited by The Birdman(locals naming) no scarecrows a trained eagle to clear pesty crows, rats beavers, Birds of prey can be used for lost cattle, danger, food and water, search and rescue, the birds use a cry called “week wik!” that the owner can interpret, The Saudi royal kids have schools for birds of prey training. Good research for you.

@kariannecrysler640

6 ай бұрын

@@paulroberts7429 thanks. I was thinking of birds used in Mongolian culture as a starting point too.

@paulroberts7429

6 ай бұрын

@@kariannecrysler640 Yes excellent choice berkutchi 👍.

I really enjoy your interpretations and presentation of information. Thank you.

Great information and images as always.

Much work to do. The assumption of some sort of settlement is reasonable. Decoding the information encrypted in the decorations and structures continues.

Well done. Thanks Matt!

Thank you for doing this update. So often things start out with hypothesis(which is fine). But as things move along new evidence comes to light. So you have to re-evaluate your hypothesis. Again thank you for pointing these changes out. 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 🎁🕯🌟🕯🎁

Fascinating video, and, as always, informative. I’ve been following research on the site and related ones in the area for a while so I had initial familiarity with it. Some points came to mind in the video a) the reconstruction drawings all had roof entries via ladder. Is there evidence for this or just conjecture? I find it an interesting parallel to the Pueblo cultures of the American southwest where both sacred buildings (kivas) as well as some dwellings were entered through roof via ladder. b) I think it most likely that the pre-historic peoples did not radically distinguish secular from sacred. I think that distinction arises more in the ancient civilizations, but I think earlier times people’s world views were less differentiated. c) Our only basis for interpreting the iconography, absent discovery of some written data, is the same we’ve been using for over a century; analogy from existing cultures at the same technological level. So much of what mythologist have speculated about the meanings of pre-historic art come from the verbal accounts of nomadic huntic-gathering cultures, or semi-nomadic seasonal migratory cultures whose stories were gathered by European missionaries and scholars. Analogy is tentative, but it’s what we’ve got. Thanks for your work

Very well spoken with the facts added I think people will actually think for themselves 🙏

Great analysis. Thanks! And maybe the real beauty is we've found something amazing which will always hold mystery.

Great concept updates.

I think people conflate "hunter-gatherer" with "nomadic" and run with the romanticized narrative. It is amazing site with still an amazing amount of mystery.

what most impresses me (as an applied math and engineer) is that this is a design that is planned and required communication. Pillars with same shape and size. Curved surfaces which means familiar with angle increments. I understand the origin of written language is 3200 BC so was a plan put on some surface for generations to follow? Do we have a hierarchy where orders on the construction show a planner and an implementer and if survival is still primary why spend time on this. Are there hunting tools other than sharpened rocks. Making a bow would really help more than a T monolith. I am impressed when I see circles that enclose circles of stone as ripples from rocks in the water would be the first physics on the ground (sun and moon indicate time in the month and year). So it seems a sophisticated spoken and written language and fundamental math are the pre-reqs.

Love your point of view

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Thank you sir! 👍

One aspect that still puzzles me; the carving is animals that the residents could not have known of due to either time or location.

Have you looked into the vitrified forts of Scotland before? I'm not convinced by the currently accepted theories to explain how they were created, and I think that they can be explained by natural processes, specifically large scale forest fires. A large enough fire can evolve into a firestorm, and such a fire can burn hot enough to cause the vitrification that we see, whereas the amount of effort and resources required for the Pictish people to create what we see at the sites doesn't seem logical, or even physically possible. If you could look into this and make a video, that would be awesome.

Why do I have this mental image of the people who apparently buried the place having a good laugh over what people who found it in the future were gonna think about it. Whoever they were, they were talented, organized enough to build the thing and then bury it, if they did and it wasn't just erosion, etc. They were good.

It always looked like a meeting place or a trade center. Different enclosures with different carvings on the pillars. Those t obelisks I think were made to stretch and hold up a hide tarpolin acting as a roof. But hell I'm a chef. I live in a state that is overflowing with structures and pueblos of the Native American people who have lived in the southwest for thousands of years. New Mexico will give you a fascination with the people who came before us

I try to envision the temperature, rainfall and all the rest in context. Not easy.

Well done

I suspect that these were graineries, belonging to seperate families, or clans. The main area was, possibly, the "Founder's" clan. This may have been the place where products of a hunter group that didn't farm, was shared out for grain in return. (Early commerce?) Just a thought.

Where do you get the studies to affirm what you say in your videos?

I have seen programs that give great explanations ot the symbols carved as constellations, which I am inclined to believe

Sounds like a store, the carvings on the pillars could be prices for the produce stored around them.

A time before pottery is hard for me to imagine. No bowls, cups, glasses, cooking vessels, thunder mugs, and so on. Hard life. And, I wonder why and what happened when a site like this is no longer used and is abandoned. Where did they go?

@mrbaab5932

6 ай бұрын

You know that there are wooden bowls, cups, glasses, mugs.

Boar(pig) Auroch(cow) Donkey Ducks. These animals can be farmed and are depicted. Farming does not require domestication. People farmed wild plants and animals for thousands of years before domestication.That was how things became domesticated. Gobekli is the early stages of sedentary farming life where people hunted and farmed wild species.

those "water buckets" at the too of that one pillar are seen all over the world? I assume . so the pillars are older than the enclosures?

You really got something in your opinion on #2

I suggest that roofs were covered by layers of dirt. As they collapsed, the survivors worked inward to provide coverage. The process can be seen here as well as throughout the region. W16 is a good example. I do not support slopeslides (except inner walls sliding in). All these slopes are not very steep except where they have been dug out by man. Something to consider: Average temps were higher than they are today, about 4 degrees. That would increase rainfall an longer growing times in the period. The valley below is rich and fertal. There is no reason to believe that these were hunter-gatherers. Only that the areas that were homes to the populations were farmed for 10k years (or more) eliminating the evidence.

@mrbaab5932

6 ай бұрын

The video talks about wild grains that were found, but not domesticated grains which is the hallmark of permanent farming.

I always wonder how far it is from the Mountain's of Ararat, where Ziusudra's / Noah's Ark landed? Things started after the flood around there first

Do you happen to know what those round indentations are on top of the T shaped pillars at 15:38 in this video

@ianthain8138

6 ай бұрын

I would hazard a guess they are for locating timbers that formed the roof, which would have had corresponding bumps that fitted in to the hollows, this is a common construction method world wide throughout history. Either that or they were used a grinding stones by later people after they were buried and only the tops of the pillars protruded from the ground.

Whilst the 'downhill' movement of material can account for much of the infilling, how does this explain the infilling of the areas that are higher up or on top of a hill? This aspect does not seem to have been addressed - could the material have been deposited after a major flood? Regards from UK

The earliest sites of plant domestication will not produce markedly distinct seed from wild collection. The first change in the step to varieties distinct is a plant not dropping seed. By the time you get out to collect, most ripe seeds will have fallen to the ground in the rain and wind or by design to split open. Just the act of collecting what's left guides the selection of seeds not falling away. And the apex of that is modern crops like corn that wrap themselves in a near waterproof sheath, bends down to shed water and have a significant core with firmly attached seeds that can stand on the plant for a year if critters don't get it. My beans and sweet pea pods don't open either. Every winter I chop them down and it's full of intact pods I couldn't see. White popping sorghum has been on stems for 5 years, I just cut it and threw it in a bag. We did this, not consciously at first, but we were the selective pressure as soon as a few winnowed grains sprouted behind a hut. That's just the kind of seed we came back with more often.

The T pieces look like supports for a floor/ roof. The images are a story perhaps.

It was laundromats. People once came from all over Anatolia to drop off their washing. The Laundrists of Gobekli Tepe always got their whites whiter and their brights brighter, but people stopped going because they always used too much starch, when they started that new Indo-European place that did pick up and delivery. The rest of the story is a mystery.

Dear Matt, "C" is a J sound letter in Turkish so the archaeologist's name is Nejmi

@ianthain8138

6 ай бұрын

Oooh you clever junt 😂

♪♫♥ Once again I thank you for your great documents !

Bro, can you do a video about the great Stupas of Sri Lanka?❤

It reminds me of a Livestock Auction Center .

What do you think the handbag/bucket symbolizes? It is shown in ancient megalithic structures all over the world. Doesn’t this paint a narrative that all these cultures were somehow connected

Here’s a possible stupid question but what does pre-pottery mean?

Didnt he say this was not a settlement and then later on say it was a settlement > either way this is amazing

@AncientArchitects

6 ай бұрын

It was a settlement in the Pre-Pottery Neolithic B. It was probably a settlement in the Pre-Pottery Neolithic A as well, but the evidence is under the later settlement, and it’s not been excavated yet.

For me Göbekli Tepe was a astronomy site for the sun, moon, star's, animal migration's to wild crop timing's, the builder's met up at Göbekli Tepe discuss what resource's were available by reading the pillars maybe only readable to the trained with roof off(shadows on pillars) different pillars represent different resources, direction's to distance's.

@mrbaab5932

6 ай бұрын

You know that shadows move during the day and the length of the shadow changed during the year.

@paulroberts7429

6 ай бұрын

@@mrbaab5932 on my two visit to Göbekli we spoke to some archeologists their are many theories for Göbekli my reason isn't new, the Greeks used shadows to calculate distances, Ancient sun dials use shadows for time, stars guided the ancients on sea and land, stonehenge uses the solstices, Göbekli was unfinished, they moved and angled certain pillars for a purpose other than a roof, some pillar can be described as maps, carvings of birds with a wing holding the sun high, strange H shaped blocks carved on blocks, 3d animals with holes for torches bring the animals to life beautiful.

They have a remarkable similarity to kivas and other semi subterranean structures in north America, obviously no connection but form and purpose could have similarities.

I've never heard an accent like yours before. Where are you from?

Unfortunately too many people think in static imagrey, like museum displays, and do not think in the fluid constant changes that development over time produces. Not far from where I live an old building in the town center was disassembled, slowly. Ii was a pillar and beam construction held together by thick wooden pins, not bolts, and was three stories tall. Once it was a wonderful home, but time and eventual decay made it unsafe for use. The same is true for neolithic constructions which eventually are no longer usable and newer structures are built on top of the older remains. What we se now are the remains of a once virbrant culture that outgrew its origins and has given us the opportunity to see and hopefully understand how life was tens of thousands of years ago. Sometimes, this is called The Pagentry of Life.

Where does Gobekli Tepe fit in the LAHT timeline?

Land slides filling and covering the enclosures seem unlikely to me because it is not a steep hill. You need a lot of material to do that. In addition if the the upper parts of the pillars came out the surface for a long time, they should show a lot more weathering which seems not the case.

I think it’s critical to subdivide ‘Hunter gatherers’ into two distinct groups.Sedentary HG’s and Nomadic HG’s.Clearly this group falls into the first category.Indeed so do many of the groups living in the Fertile Crescent during this period.Jericho being another example. It requires a much higher percentage of calorific value being obtained from grain.Which is why Matt and others identify these structures as grain stores ( along with thousands of stone grinding bowls). It’s not such a huge leap from collecting wild grains to planting them on purpose. Religion. Controlling a population via religion is always in the background.As such it’s v likely (imho) that religious leaders co-opted food supply into religious beliefs. ( praying for good weather/ harvest etc).So it’s quite possible there is a religious element as well ( the carvings?).

from the location i might guess GT was a warehouse on a trade route from cilicia to mesopotamia

conventional archeology tend to hammer in the missing pieces

Interesting assement of Gobekli Tepe? Yet these T-shaped Pillars; (when found); were totally under, 25 feet of Sedimentary Dust, & ony the Tips of some of them were showing. This Structure was at the Top of Pot Belly Hill, & no landside caused this Soil sand to cover up this whole Mountain. Only when somthing is abandoned for 100,000 of years can this much Sedimentary Soil accumulate.

So it's as late as middle PPNB? That's after the first farmers arrived to Europe (and probably also to India, or at least Balochistan). That's quite late considering the outlandish pre-Neolithic claims that have been going around; still a fascinating early Neolithic monument but not quite the same as if it would be the product of "potlach" hunter-gatherers.

I wonder why those uf us that have consumed psychedelics seem to feel more connected or intrigued by these things

It was the community school. This school would teach you who you were and your position in society. For a cohesive and successful culture.

could they have been used as "panic rooms" from megafauna?

Has LIDAR been used on any of these ancient sites?

What were the people like what did they hold important and trivial? 9.5K years ago civilization would be coming out of the Younger Dryas cooling, the cause would be known to these people, is that why they are building really strong structures.

@AveragePicker

6 ай бұрын

"what did they hold important " - Well we know holding their penis was really important to them. "... the cause would be known to these people,..." That's a bold assumption.

@ricblic901

6 ай бұрын

@@AveragePickerSuch a well thought out response, your reading level has picked up some. Kudo's

@AveragePicker

6 ай бұрын

@@ricblic901 Was having a bit of fun with the fact they have an entire penis room and statues holding their penises. ...but thinking they would have known the cause, is a massive leap and assumption. There is no reason they would have.

I’m ready for Hollywood to make a good movie that takes place when Gobeckli Tepe was built … just lower expectations and don’t expect everything to be historic

have the stars not changed thier positions in the sky throughout time

sharing

A lot of opinion and guessing here. But all information welcome. As so many ancient sites indicate, including in Egypt, we simply don’t understand and often can’t fathom what the devil is going on. The Nazca Lines in S America come to mind.

So you’re saying the carvings could have been added later ?. Like in Egypt ? There’s a lot of graffiti in Egypt. From near perfect statues to the black granite boxes in the serapeum the hieroglyphics on them are obviously not the same workmanship.

@AveragePicker

6 ай бұрын

The serapeum sarcophagus hieroglyphs are incredible quality. And you are trying to compare two very different things. Spending ages polishing is far different then engraving. You are also ignoring the records that exist, and the records even detailing how long, and how the sarcophagi were placed. (In short it took approximately one month to move and place a sarcophagus, and it was done using sand removal technique to lower them, where a shaft is filled with sand, and then shoveled out from the bottom, which lowers anything at the top. And those shafts exist.) "....near perfect statues..." is just hyperbolic language. Do mean, because they are symmetrical? ....symmetrical, as in something people have been doing throughout time working with stone? Symmetrical as in something you could accomplish with a two stick pantograph or compass or bit of string? There was a time in Europe when nearly unskilled labor was used to duplicate statues for the gardens of the wealthy. If an unskilled laborer can be taught to crank out "near perfect" copies of the same statue over and over again, don't you think an actual skilled stone mason could make one?

How sensible and logical. Fed up with all this ancient aliens stuff that just underestimates human endeavour and has to find some mystical explanation.

(Hunters around a campfire. One of them speaks) Hey guys! Let's make a Gobleki Tepe! What's that? It's a really big thing! And important! But why? Because even though it would be useless to any individual or for any immediate purpose, it will become the most important thing to our people for many generations. We might even develop agriculture someday and want to stay in the area, so let's make it robust! Sounds like hard work. It could take all day. But then it will be here for us forever. Well okay then. Let's do it.!

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Where did the people go?