What's your experience with NP-F batteries? Even if they work(ish) I don't think it's good to step up the voltage. If you're interested in trying the FX Lion nano one, then you can find them here Buy the FXLion Nano One amzn.to/3DZqo4C Buy the FXLion Nano two amzn.to/3vvttGi (affiliate links)

I've been using Sony NPF batteries for extended shoots since the BMPCC4K launched. I routinely film continuously for 2-3 hours at a time at 4k...and have never had a battery die at 50%. I have no idea what brand of NPF batteries you use but this information is completely inaccurate based on my experience in the field

@JonBear

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your input Jacob. You've been able to use your NP-F batteries down to 0% with the BMPCC4K? I've talked to people with the same experience as me, where the batteries always have 50% left when the camera dies. I'll tell you what Jacob, Before I got _people telling me to not step up NPF's when I first did that_ , and now I got people saying it's okay to step up NPF's. My conclusion is 1: Stepping up NP-F batteries is not their intended use however, 2: If your NP-F batteries are from a good manufacturer, they will probably handle it fine. The NP-F's that I as using are probably not good. I had a long conversation with a gentleman on Reddit who swears by NP-F, saying he's using a battery called IDX SL-F50. I will look into getting better NP-F's since I rely on them to power my monitor and lights.

@JacobdelaRosa

2 жыл бұрын

@@JonBear yah I've completely drained them. Zero issues. I suspect your brand of NPF batteries isn't that great

@JonBear

2 жыл бұрын

@@JacobdelaRosa Likely the case. Appreciate the input Jacob!

@THelvenstine

2 жыл бұрын

I was going to mention the exact same thing. I've run with the Sony NP-970 and the exact same smallrig plate mentioned in the video, and have had zero issues doing into a dummy battery from the 7.4v out. There are many things that could factor into his camera powering down at 50%. I suspect shoddy 3rd party batteries.

@MichaelPerez83

2 жыл бұрын

Same here. I use np-f batteries for our studio’s working cameras 2 bmpcc 4Ks and a bmpcc 6K. We also have v-mount batteries as well but they’re too big (even the smaller ones) in comparison to the np-f970s.

Coming from tv and commercials, i've only ever used a v-mount for cameras. It's not about the capacity (that helps), but the safety. Your experience was EXACTLY why we use them. For smaller cameras, two v-mounts makes life stress free. For the bigger ones, take three or four and you just keep two on charge. The bmpcc4k lasts about 5 hours on 90wh.

@JonBear

2 жыл бұрын

Yes safety is a huge part of it. Although I have never experienced battery failure, I work with an airline and we are constantly being reminded and trained on how to deal with battery fires because of how dangerous such an event would be in an airplane.

Fantastic! Fun and informative! Thank you Jon!

@JonBear

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you Yavor!

Great info Jon ! Thanks Cheers my friend!

@JonBear

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you Bill! Always an honor

Hey there! I wanna ask you something... can i use a v mount battery plate as a usb-c charger? For example a small rig v mount plate with USB-C? Thanks!

The same situation happened to me. So, I'm buying those v mount. Thanks!! I thought I was the only one they didn't work for. Thanks

I use the Tilta side handle that uses the NPF 970 and haven't run into this problem over the years. Wanted to switch to the Tilta version of this NPF plate for a gimbal. Hopefully my good luck continues as there aren't many options beyond switching batteries every 30 minutes, which sucks on a gimbal.

Bro I definitely agree with this. I think people make too big of a deal out of the battery situation. Just have a few of the OG batteries on deck and unless you are shooting like an interview or something, you’re set. And if you were shooting a controlled interview, chances are you’d have a wall socket or somewhere to plug into.

@JonBear

2 жыл бұрын

100% this. I wish I read this comment when I first started filming with the BMPCC4k!

@dericsanchez4081

2 жыл бұрын

@@JonBear yeah I’ve been looking into getting the pocket and all I’ve seen is everyone talking about needing to rig it up for it to be usable. To me, that doesn’t seem super necessary and I want to keep the kit somewhat light.

@JonBear

2 жыл бұрын

@@dericsanchez4081 Yeah you can record with SD cards and use the LP-6 batteries I'll say this: a monitor is super helpful because the display on the pocket 4k is not very bright and it isn't useful outside with daylight - and it does not articulate So I'd consider a monitor. I use Feelworld Lut7 which is super bright and huge. Great for outdoor. I made a video on it. If you truly want to use a Blackmagic camera as a dslr run and gun outdoors, I'd consider the 6k Pro. Bright articulating screen and optional viewfinder. If however you're mostly filming indoors doing interviews and such, then an un-rigged 4k will do just fine

@dericsanchez4081

2 жыл бұрын

@@JonBear yeah the screen is the only thing I’m slightly worried about on the 4K. The non articulation doesn’t bother me too much. I think I could work around that but the brightness is the biggest concern. Especially since I’m currently using the Sony a6300 which has a garbage screen outside and is a bit frustrating. I like the idea of the 6k pro but I think it’s a bit more than I wanted to spend on a second camera especially since I’ll also need lenses too.

@JonBear

2 жыл бұрын

@@dericsanchez4081 You can always get a sunhood for the screen. Cheap solution and it works great. I even made one myself out of cardboard once haha! Pocket 4k is the DIY camera haha

how long does it take to charge fxlion nano one?

Thank you for informative video. FXLion really looks nice

@JonBear

2 жыл бұрын

I am happy you found it helpful!

@hoovacant

2 жыл бұрын

@@JonBear Actually I bought my FXlion after this video.

@JonBear

2 жыл бұрын

​@@hoovacant ​ It's great! I use it so much. Hope you get good use out of it!

You should also try the Core SWX Hypercore Neo 9 V-Mount battery. Its a great battery that shows battery percentage.

hmmmm you just made me reconsider the LP-6's. I shoot short visuals (mostly in 4K) & never have more than 20-30 mins of footage. I got fooled into thinking NPF's were the only way to go and its been a nightmare rigging, charging and using them. Thanks for presenting some more suitable options.

How long fxlion battery can run a bmpcc 4K?

I've never had any of those issues with NPFs. I use ones with the internal battery so I can hot swap. Two 7800mha get me through a day (BMPCC 4K). But now I need more power as I step up from the nucleus nano to a nucleus-m. How many FX Lion Ones would I need to get me through a whole day?

@jeff-dk4tz

Жыл бұрын

what brand of battery plate do u use? do u use a dummy battery?

@JonasStuart

Жыл бұрын

@@jeff-dk4tz Smallrig SR-EB2504 - not the cheaper one without the battery status LEDs - it's plastic and not as good. No dummy batter, just the 12v input into the camera and a charged battery in the camera (BMD say not to do this but by the time I found this out I'd been doing it for well over a year so kept doing it with no probs - I make sure the internal battery fully charged though and it's only there as a back up or so I can hot swap)...

Which brand are your NPF? Also a step up DC to DC converter isn't the reason why you keep losing power below 50%.

Can you use LP-E6NH?

@JonBear

2 жыл бұрын

I believe so. They're backwards compatible with older canon cameras so I can't see why is shouldn't work for the Pocket 4k

i use bmpcc4k with 12v fp-f sony 970 battery and it was not reliable but when i switch to dummy battery they it works normal and dry battery to 0% so 12v is not good but 7.4v with dummy battery is usable i have 6 of them small nf 550 and large 970 and both work cool, i think vmount i better but much expensive

Great overview! 🤓 Sometimes the easiest solution is only viable for the short term. 🤔 Congrats on 17k subs! You also forgot the end screen elements for this video. 😎

@JonBear

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks bro!! Also I totally missed the end screen. Thanks bro!

Aha! It’s making sense now why I saw some people say you MUST use a dummy battery with the NPF batteries. I’m South Africa the V-lock batteries are just so extremely expensive that I decided on power banks, I simply need to find power banks that output 12v and I get really long battery life out of a small compact power bank. But I do agree that the V-lock is still THE BEST professional solution.

@adinwalls

2 жыл бұрын

Oh and one more thing! I had absolutely no issues with the normal Canon batteries. I bought a stack of them and happily used my BMPCC4K like a dslr

@JonBear

2 жыл бұрын

@@adinwalls Yes! Using the BMPCC4K as a dslr with lp-6 is viable and if you are doing long takes, just plug the thing into the wall.

@sakhiwomthunzi

2 жыл бұрын

From my experience, the NPF batteries have served me well while still using the 12V power delivery. I get no less than 2 hrs a battery. V-mounts are definitely way too expensive here in SA. I do think though, all that matters is using what works best for you.

@JonBear

2 жыл бұрын

@@sakhiwomthunzi That´s great! I had a conversation with a gentleman on Reddit who suggested that getting high quality NPFs is the best way, since they´re still half the price of the FX Lion nano one. He recommended IDX SL-F50 specifically. I assume the NPF that I was using was of a low quality

Hello. I totally understand the power differences and how that's not a good thing. However , what surprises me is what happened to you when your battery died out. It shut off your recording! But for some reason, I use the NPF batteries the same way, but when the battery has died, I have been able to hot-swap to another Sony battery, and the camera does not shut off. It just runs on the canon battery that's inside the camera until I put another Sony NPF battery in it. Been operating that way for a few months now on several shoots and it's never been a problem. I've gotten over 2 hours on those things of continuous recording. I'm not saying you don't have a point, I'm just curious as to why we've had different experiences? That V-Mount battery looks nice! A bit pricey, but I might pick that up if I ever feel I need to.

@JonBear

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your input Magnus! For sure the NPF are usable but not ideal - and it's possible I just wore mine out. In the End they're not designed to output 12v so I'll assume there is some degradation at play. Anyway, I invested in the FX Lion so that I can sleep better at night :D

@magnus547

2 жыл бұрын

@@JonBear Awesome to hear, and a smart decision from you. With that knowledge I'll be weary of the batteries, but so far, as long as I swap them out before they "die", and I've got about 10 of them, I've been good. I shot a 10 hour day shoot with them, which included 3 hours of almost non-stop recording without being plugged into a wall outlet, and it went super smooth. However, your explanation on the voltage brings me back to my engineering days, and you're totally right on that one.

@JonBear

2 жыл бұрын

That's great! Glad I for it right. Yeah NPF batteries are used for so many things such as lights and monitors that it's useful to have a bunch of them around.

@sakhiwomthunzi

2 жыл бұрын

I also found this a bit strange. I use NPF 970’s for my P4K, I get about 2hrs a battery or even a little more at times. Never had it switch off on me mid shooting either because I always have a battery in the camera.

@JonBear

2 жыл бұрын

@@sakhiwomthunzi That´s really good to hear! I Have had people criticize me in the past for recommending NP-F batteries, and now I have people telling me that NP-Fs work great. I have two assumptions. 1. Stepping up NPFs is not ideal, however 2. If you use good quality NPFs then they can handle it

Agree! FX Lion best battery ever!💪🏼

@JonBear

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for getting me the FX Lion bro!

@matt.winklerez

2 жыл бұрын

@@JonBear The pleasure was all mine. I'm just a humble delivery guy 🙂

Just keep your lp6 battery in the camera and use the npf to charge it that way the camera won’t shut off. Never ran into any problems doing it this way

@JonBear

Жыл бұрын

Great suggestion! in the end I enjoy using the LP6 batteries for smaller form factor

Good information and something to think about but BMPCC 4k are good with NPF power

You deliver your material in a funny way, like you're grav3yardgirl's brother !!!

@JonBear

2 жыл бұрын

Weirdest compliment ever but I love it! Cheers Mark!

Only use v-mount, less headaches down the road for sure.

@JonBear

2 жыл бұрын

YEP! I'm gonna stock up on a bunch of them! Getting an additional FX Lion! Love how they double as powerbanks and can charge your laptop super fast

i have this problem with NP too

Thanks for video, bit Sorry have to disagree… we have 2 pocket 4ks a 6k, original 4k and 4.6k ursa mini… for the last 3 years we have been using the battery plate that comes with a bmpcc power cable permanently attached.. with npf batteries. Shot feature length productions and over 20 short films… music videos, weddings and have not had unpredictable power offs, unless the battery is now a dud or under charged… we do have this smallrig plate as well which is really cool and sometime run it off the 7.4… the pocket cameras can handle it… we also hire out these kits as standard with no complaints to date…remember these are manufacturer recommendations not facts of subjective use cases… just like using an sdxc 100mbs card to record b-raw… it works, but not recommended… too much hype is given to some of these reviewed product by creatives that is just not true in realworld uses. Please do more tests with various brand plates and batteries for your own credibility’s sake… Not meaning to go on a rant… you have done better than most by uploading a video on KZread. Please make it clear that this is your opinion base on your experience…

I wonder just how many people are shooting the next Russian Ark? Seriously, ask yourself. How long are your takes? I use the BMPCC as my everyday carry camera. It’s in my bag all the time. I live in Surfers Paradise and every day there are multiple street/beach scenes I just need to sweep up. I use only the Canon batteries, one spare in the bag. The camera never needs to be on for hrs. I would like to use the FXLION on my belt with a magsafe connector so top ups were always at hand. How cool.

This is completely inaccurate information. The battery that Blackmagic supplies with both the Pocket 4 & 6K are 7.4V. Like one of the other commentators have stated a proper NP-F battery will last between 2 and 3.5 hours.

@JonBear

2 жыл бұрын

Yes I did mention that the draw will be 7.4v if you're using dummy battery. But if you plug straight to camera the draw is 12v

@truthplease9234

2 жыл бұрын

@@JonBear Never said you didn't. What I said was this is inaccurate information, which it is. You also left out that the battery that comes with the camera is the exact same 7.4V. You literally said the problem with the NP-F battery is that it puts out 7.4V which again is the exact same as the included battery from Blackmagic.

@JonBear

2 жыл бұрын

@@truthplease9234 The problem is that the NPF is 7.4v and you're stepping it up to 12v. The internal battery is not an issue because you're outputting 7.4v like intended. I never said 7.4v is the problem, I said stepping it up to 12 is the problem. Look, all I can say, people slammed me for recommending NPF and stepping it up to 12v, and now you slam me for not recommending stepping up NPF to 12v. I am speaking from experience, and echoing sentiments from others: Stepping up a 7.4v battery to 12v is probably not a great idea and invites all kinds of failure. That's why I recommend the internal which NATIVELY feeds 7.4v because that's all the camera requests from the internal battery. Then I recommend the FX Lion, as it can output 12v without stepping it up, but it is also small like the NPF making it light and easy for your rig.

just bought exactly this stupid smallrig adapter + NPF batteries - and yea your right - its crap. the battery dummy was somehow even to short and did not fit in my BMPCC 6k pro . an NPF could also not even charge an internal battery while recording . wasted money :/

@JonBear

Жыл бұрын

Dangit 🥲 At least you can use the NPF to charge the LP batteries

@spezialuniversal

Жыл бұрын

@@JonBear i got answer from small rig regarding this : the kit was build for the 4k & 6k but not the 6k PRO ... but they work on a 6k pro version ...

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Lies!! I get 3 hours on my blackmagic6k with sony batteries

False prophet. LOL!!