Update: if you have a single series string no fuse is required. If you have multiple series strings, then a fuse is required. 🎁Get 7 FREE diagrams to kickstart your Off-Grid journey! View and get them here: cleversolarpower.com/free-diagrams/ 🎁

@spruce_goose5169

Жыл бұрын

I think you only need OCPD's when it is MORE THAN 2 series strings.

Great review description mate👌🇦🇺

Well appreciated video

Well explained 👏Thanks Sir 👍

Very good information tks

Love your videos this is a big help for me and you explain things real simple unlike the other guys You also get straight straight to the point I don’t like to reload my fridge all the time because I work outdoors. I have power tools like you that are battery power. So thank you. Can I run a refrigerator

@cleversolarpower

2 ай бұрын

Thanks Shane! I try to keep my videos to the point so I don't waste people's time. I made a video about how much power my fridge consumes. Check it out on my channel page.

Nice info

Thank you for you video - I have 4 550 W panels, with the following specs. What configuration would you recommend ? 2S2P? For Fuse 1 and Fuse 2 (14.01 x 1.56 = 21.86) would a 30a inline fuse work?? And then for the Fuse 3 - what type of fuse should be used?? Is there any benefit of doing a 2P2S configuration?? thank you! Series 1 & 2 = 100v and 14A = 100v 28A going to the charge controller. VMP: 41.96 IMP:13.11 ISC:14.01 VOC:49.9

if you're adding fuses on the positive line, doesn't that add some resistance, and therefore require you to add some extra wire on the negative side to equalize the resistance between both lines?

Do one about circuit breaker dc and ac please

Great summary. Is there a device to boost up voltage after the combiner so don't have to have such a thick cable, and then on the other side of the run bring the voltage back down?

@cleversolarpower

Жыл бұрын

Not that I am aware of. A solution is to wire your panels in series.

my isc A show 6.68, should i use 10A and 30A or i need to go 15 and 40?

great video ! Very clear

Hello, thank you for the informative videos, love the content! I have a stupid question, at 3:46 when you are explaining the voltage drop across different wire sizes, I was wondering how did you come into the conclusion that the 14awg wire is sufficient? Or at 4:17, 12awg is sufficient voltage drop for the 2 strings? Is there a rule of thumb on the % drop is acceptable? Thank you in advance!

@joeking3966

Жыл бұрын

Haha, nevermind, i just saw your other video that explained the voltage drop of 3%. Thank you!

I like simple math and this video is it

Great video, great analysis. I have a question though, what is the difference between mc4 fused connector and mc4 diode connectors?

@nickchlapanas2987

Жыл бұрын

I also would like to ask what fuse should I use for a 7.75a panel? 10 a or 15a?

@cleversolarpower

Жыл бұрын

The max fuse size will be indicated on the back of the panel. I recommend watching the video again. MC4 fuses is just a fuse holder which fit MC-4 connectors. I suspect that MC4 diode connectors are the same. Why would you use a diode?

@netrocker9990

10 ай бұрын

​@@cleversolarpoweryou're wrong,mc4 diode is used as blocking diode to avoid shading issues between two parallel strings/parallel panels

I'm installing twelve 400w panels at my cabin. The EG4 3000w MPPT/inverter has an input limit of 500w and 80a max charging current. These panels are 36.8v and 13.85A. short circuit current 13.55A, Pmax -0.34%/C. I was first going to make two strings of 6 and put them in parallel for 27.7A, but you made me reconsider and think about putting them all in series. 36.8v x 12 =441.6 V for the series, less than the 500v the inverter can handle. In Wisconsin, it is possible to get a -37C event in winter, so using the Pmax I figure that could be a voltage increase of 13% to 499V. I don't know if that Pmax uses the panel's temperature or ambient temperature, but is that cutting it too close? Should I stick with two strings in parallel for 27.A or try for all in a series at 13.85A? I have a fairly long cable run of 120', so I figure I'd be much better off with the lower amperage and fusing would be simpler.

@cleversolarpower

11 ай бұрын

You need two series strings to make 6S2P. Your voltage will be over 500V. Voc*12*1.25=max 500V. In your case this is: 36.8V*12*1.25=552V. Your charge controller can get damaged on cold sunny days. 1.25 is a safety factor.

Great video. May I ask which tool you use for those drawings? Thank you

@cleversolarpower

Жыл бұрын

Thanks. I use Edraw.

I have two 120 watt solar panels (ss 6.8 amps) in parallel. was planning on 12 awg wire from panels to mppt and 10 awg from mppt to batteries. before combiner was going to use 15 amp inline fuse and a 20 amp MPPT. will that work? i assume the combined power was 21.6 volts at 13.6 amps. Thoughts?

@cleversolarpower

4 ай бұрын

6.8*1.56*2 panels in parallel = 21A. 20a fuse is on the edge but ok.

Thank you. What drawing program did you use?

@cleversolarpower

Ай бұрын

For the videos I use videoscribe. For the drawings edraw.

I have three 300 watt panels that will be wired in parallel due to shading. Each has a short circuit current of 18.1 amps. So I woll need 3 20 amp fuses one for each panel. How big of fuse will I need forthe iotput end of my 3 into one adapter? Thank you

@cleversolarpower

4 ай бұрын

No, isc x 1.56

I have 10 of 100 watt solar panels in parallel. What size of breaker do I need ? Thanks

@cleversolarpower

4 ай бұрын

Depends on the isc and if series or parallel. Check the video again.

cleversolarpower What size fuses should I use when connecting four 180w solar panels in 2series2parallel. Each panel is rated 10.5 amps max with a series 15 max rating on each panel going into a 15 amp max rated portable solar generator. I'm guessing the formula is 10.5 x 1.56 = 16.38 amps so would I need two 15 amp fuses going into a 30 amp fuse or two 20 amp fuses going into a 40 amp fuse after that before it goes into the solar generator rated at 15 amps max. Will it work and safely to protect my panels and solar generator without constantly blowing fuses? Let me know. Thanks

@cleversolarpower

Жыл бұрын

You need two 15A fuses and one 30 amp fuse.

Hi…thank you for your video is amazing …I have a question …I have 2 solar panel 200w 18.2v 11.7 amp and 1 100w 20.4v 5 amp …the question is …what tipe of fuse do I need for the 200w panels ? And one more question …the fuse that will go string after the 3to1 adapter will a need a 50amp fuse and if so is going to make any problems with the mc4 connector due that they are rated only for 30amp …thank you for your help

Is a fuse required if only one 100w panel is plugged directly into a solar generator with built in MPPT?

@cleversolarpower

6 ай бұрын

No, but a breaker could be depending on your local code.

OK, I bought two solar panels and don't plan on linking them at all. I'll be running both control boxes that came with each panel. Now, the wires, control box etc can all be handled easily by the wires and by the control box itself, so would I need a fuse between each panel and the control box? The solar panels are rated at 15 Amps each, control boxes are 30 Amp.

@cleversolarpower

Жыл бұрын

No need for a fuse if there is only one solar panel per controller.

@The_Resistance_1961

Жыл бұрын

@@cleversolarpower Yeah I watched a couple more vids and got around adding solar panels by simply running each panel (350W) on the controller that came with them, but I might add a busbar to minimise the number of rings around the battery terminals. Yeah, then I figure it can't go wrong given that SLA batteries give off a ''resistance'' which each controller reads and moderates, although one must apparently make one of them the master controller so that the batteries don't ''equalise'' more than once a month. Nevertheless I've added 30 amp circuit breakers between panels and controllers, and put 200 ah fuses between each of the four batteries in my bank. It's not that hard when you watch videos such as your own.I've had a simple philosophy all my life - if you don't know something just ask someone who does.

In your calculation 6.2A x 1.56 = 9.6A where did the 1.56 figure come from? OK; the 1.56 is a safety factor but before you were using 1.25

@cleversolarpower

6 ай бұрын

The safety factor for being outdoors changes because it can get hotter outside. Imagine a black wire on a black roof at noon will get much hotter than a wire inside your house.

@abitofeverything1985

Ай бұрын

I still don't quite understand where 1.56 came from? Is it Maximum Series Fuse 15 A figure? My panel have (Ipm) 8.86 A, and Maximum Series Fuse 20 A. What fuse i need??

My panels have a maximum fuse rating of 20A. I have 22 panels in seri parallel with 2 strings. 495 wats per panel. What would you suggest regarding the fuse’s?

@cleversolarpower

11 ай бұрын

Fuse every series string, and then the combined array for a total of 3 fuses.

@expeditionchef222

11 ай бұрын

@@cleversolarpower thank you very much. And what fuse rating you suggest? 20amp for individual and 32 amps for combined? Thank you

where is the '1.56' in your formula ISC x 1.56 = minimum fuse size coming from? I ask because my solar panels have Isc 8.75A. So 8.75 x 1.56 = 13.65A minimum fuse size, but the panel indicates: 'max series fuse = 12A'.

@manonfire7675

Жыл бұрын

yeah, i don't get this too.

@cleversolarpower

Жыл бұрын

Hello John, good question. This is because the cabling is mounted outside. We need to apply an additional 125% safety margin. So it becomes 8.75A x 1.25 x 1.25= 13.67A. if you look on my website, the article about 'how to calculate fuse size for solar system' it's explained there.

@narotica1

Жыл бұрын

@@cleversolarpower so why 1.56 not 1.25?

@cleversolarpower

Жыл бұрын

@@narotica1 check my previous answer

@narotica1

Жыл бұрын

@@cleversolarpower yeah it was a shit explanation, 1.25 * 1.25 is 1.56 for everybody else

Can you use an MCB instead of a Fuse?

@cleversolarpower

6 ай бұрын

An MCB from a reputable brand is more expensive. MCB's are used in AC switchboards because they can be switched off often. For DC, it's cheaper to have fuses. If you look at the end of the video you can see a popular MCB which is unbranded. It's known to cause problems and heat up under use.

How did you get that 1.56 value ??

@cleversolarpower

5 ай бұрын

1.56 is the safety factor considering wires that are outside. The sun will influence the temperature of the cable, so thats why the safety factor is 1.25x1.25=1.56

Where do you get the 6.2amps and the 1.56 from?

@rdd8094

10 ай бұрын

I didn't understand either ...

@cleversolarpower

9 ай бұрын

6.2A is the Isc (short circuit of the panel) and 1.56 is a safety factor for calculating current in a conductor for outdoor wiring.

Hi. Will the fuse be helpful for lightning in any way or is the fuse just for over current and not high voltages?

@cleversolarpower

Жыл бұрын

a fuse will not help with lightning, you should consider it a loss when it hits your panels. Don't ground the panels and bring it inside of your house where it can destroy more equipment.

What Fuse Size for 150W Solar Panel - ISC Amps 8.76 should I use? THANKS

@cleversolarpower

4 ай бұрын

8.76x1.56=13.6 so a 15A fuse is ok. But you don't need a fuse for one panel.

@bestillandknowthatuaregod

4 ай бұрын

Im only using 2 150Wats Panels in parallel. Still need fuse?@@cleversolarpower

@user-tu4qj8dg8m

4 ай бұрын

Why you don't need a fuse for one panel? @@cleversolarpower

@hollygrinstead7252

4 ай бұрын

Why no fuse needed for one panel?

I've never understood the reason for fusing solar panels. Even if you rub through a solar wire and it shorts to earth, the fuse will not blow as a) it is sized lower than the solar current (as it has to be), and b) the fuse would be near the charge controller, so your short would typically be after the fuse, and c) typically the charge controller would stop any battery current trying to flow back through the panels in case of any wiring fault.

@cleversolarpower

Жыл бұрын

In a series configuration, yes. But in a parallel configuration, you need it. If one panel is shorted, the other panels will back feed into the broken panel, sending lots of current to it. In order for the panel not to melt, the fuse of the broken panel melts. However, I think it's still useful and good practice to fuse a series connection.

@Ibian666

Жыл бұрын

Houses catch on fire from unfused parallel panels, is why.

@susiejrgensen7041

4 ай бұрын

@clewersolar I need to paralel, because my panel give 12,2 Amp Isc, and 41 Voc volt, and my controller max 75 volt, I have 2 panels, shall I use 12,2 Amp x 1,25 = 15/16 Amp ? Thanks

So where do you fuse the panels ? Did I miss that

@cleversolarpower

Жыл бұрын

The fusing happens as close to the power source as possible. This can be an inline MC-4 fuse. You can also add the fuse next to the charge controller right before it enters the input of the charge controller. You can also use a combiner box if you have parallel strings.

@jonnytacooutdoors

Жыл бұрын

@@cleversolarpower I’m using a PV shut off switch. As close to the power source as in the panel or the battery? So if you meant the panel then just clip it onto the panel mc4 output cable right?😎

@cleversolarpower

Жыл бұрын

@@jonnytacooutdoors To the panel. Yes, if that is physically possible. If you have parallel strings, then you can do it after the combiner box.

@jonnytacooutdoors

Жыл бұрын

@@cleversolarpower am I just fusing the positive line? I plan on just plugging in the fuse to the positive line coming out of the first panel and then have that wire go down into the truck

What about Solar DIODE connector fuse. Is it the same ?

@cleversolarpower

Жыл бұрын

The diodes are already on the back of the panel in the small box. You need to add the fuse with an MC-4 connector fuse holder.

Where do you get the 1.56 from?

@cleversolarpower

11 ай бұрын

It's a safety factor.

Where can I buy the book

@cleversolarpower

10 ай бұрын

You can check the link in the description.

Do I need a fuse for a single solar panel, for example 300W. ???

@cleversolarpower

9 ай бұрын

No

@bogdan.dobrowolski

9 ай бұрын

@@cleversolarpower THANKS !!

it has to be a fuse or can be a breaker

@cleversolarpower

Жыл бұрын

Can be both, a fuse will be cheaper.

No fuse needed paralleling two series strings or two individual panels. Fuse each when three or more in parallel.

@cleversolarpower

Жыл бұрын

Every parallel string needs a fuse. And for simplicity reasons I recommend fusing solar panels.

@davebenz8271

Жыл бұрын

@@cleversolarpower Is that required, or just you being overly cautious?

@cleversolarpower

Жыл бұрын

@@davebenz8271 Fusing is required for parallel strings. I do recommend fusing series solar panels if the combined Isc of the panels goes over the rated current of the wire.

@MrHanzeeman

Жыл бұрын

I think rv10flyer has a point... Please correct me if I'm wrong. If the first of two panels in parallel, has a short, it's fuse may blow or may not, depending on how much over Isc you installed. Now say it didn't blow, and the second panel in parallel starts to back feed it... It also won't blow it because it can only provide 1 times the Isc. 3 or more panels in parallel... Different story. Edit: Or do you still add in the being produced by the shorted panel?

@cleversolarpower

Жыл бұрын

@@MrHanzeeman No need to have a fuse when you have one or two parallel strings. You need to calculate the Isc though. If you have three parallel strings or parallel panels, then you need to fuse because the combined ISC is higher than the 1.25xIsc of the panel. Hope this helps.

There is no reason to place a "combined current" fuse (F4 @ THE 1:38 mark) after the normal parallel fuses (F1, F2 & F3) as it serves no purpose, if anything goes wrong after these fuses they will blow anyway (before fuse F4 can blow).!

@cleversolarpower

Жыл бұрын

It's a solar disconnect breaker (resettable fuse). Maybe I should have made it more clear what it is. The breaker is there to isolate the solar panels from the system. It is required to do so.

@Greg65

Жыл бұрын

@@cleversolarpower Thanks for the reply, yes that makes 100% sense of things!

@MrHanzeeman

Жыл бұрын

@@cleversolarpower yes, maybe you can add a caption to clarify that. It certainly didn't come across in the video like that.

@Floyd112007

6 ай бұрын

Yes, this is now clear. Exactly like in my combiner box. @@cleversolarpower

The solar panels can't provide anymore current in series than rated. No need for fuse in series.

@cleversolarpower

Жыл бұрын

Correct. If you have multiple series strings, then a fuse is required.

Use fuses only for 80% of their nominal value.

@cleversolarpower

Ай бұрын

That's why we multiply by 1.25