I think sometimes political commentators overcomplicate things - she's just moved out of spite, it's a simple human emotion

@dw-yl3ln

21 күн бұрын

Absolutely agree. Sometimes things are ‘political movers and shakers playing 4D chess.’ Sometimes it’s just someone resigning in a huff because they hate their boss. And a rival company hiring them to stick the boot in.

@HectorSTabora

21 күн бұрын

Totally. I see it as a great maneuver from Starmer. No one believes She shares anything with Labour voters.

@damianleah6744

21 күн бұрын

The only people it embarrasses is this divisive government and they should be embarrassed. There really is a simple answer to this, call a general election.

@tomvandersteen5880

21 күн бұрын

Yup, she’s moved out of spite and Starmer’s accepted it since she’s not standing in the next election so this is just a cost free way to remove one vote from the Tories and add one to Labour even if she is insufferable for a few months. It’s not complicated.

@MsCharlieBrown78

21 күн бұрын

exactly.

This confirms one thing. Politicians care about one thing. Their own pocket and career.

@stephenhorslen6075

21 күн бұрын

She;s stepping down at the next GE .

@chrispayne9158

21 күн бұрын

@@stephenhorslen6075 yeah sure she is, we will see now won't we. Bet she runs again now.

@stuartwilson1190

21 күн бұрын

@@chrispayne9158she has already said she will step down at the general election.

@malcolmstockbridge2569

21 күн бұрын

so....if the company you work for was shutting down you wouldnt go and work for a competitor ?....99% of us care about our pocket and career...politicians are no different.

@callum9999

20 күн бұрын

​@@chrispayne9158She doesn't have a choice... Labour already have their candidates and have said she won't be able to replace them. She'd have to run for a different party, which would make this move make no sense. If she was a career politician then she would have made a deal to defect to Reform and stand for them at the next election - having grown up near Dover, that's certainly the kind of place they could do well in. While I've spent so much of my life decrying the indifference people have to politics, I now find the unashamed ignorance to be far more annoying. You didn't bother to look into this at all before making your aggressive pronouncements, and even when confronted you still refuse to do so. The rejection of truth commonly found on the Right has now well and truly infected the Left as well. I have little hope for the political future...

It's a bit embarassing to see the inability of these 'commentators' not to understand the basics. a) Elphicke is stepping down. b) She is giving Sunak a kicking. c) It gives Labour a full fat rebuttal to any comment on their immgration policy D)Labour will be putting up a different candidate at the Election. Come on, it's very, very simple.

@robc7162

21 күн бұрын

Perfectly put.

@nicksimmons7234

21 күн бұрын

100%

@HectorSTabora

21 күн бұрын

Agreed

@adamhurd1560

21 күн бұрын

But why Labour? Why not Reform? What's the message? You're saying she hates Sunak so much that she's happy to help Starmer win the next election when he's not going to do anything different or better? Why would Starmer risk alienating his core voter base in order to get a very extreme Tory MP who even tried to influence judges in the past? It's madness.

@thegeneral123

21 күн бұрын

Where has it been stated that she's stepping down? I've not seen that anywhere. It's far more likely she did a deal to stand as a Labour candidate in the next general election in her seat. That's the deal. Or do I not understand the basics? Having read Government and Politics...

64 mps not standing again for the tories says a lot about their confidence for the next election😂

ABSOLUTE CAREER POLITICIAN. CALL A BY ELECTION AND GET THIS HYPOCRITE OUT

@AuldScot1888

21 күн бұрын

You've used too many letters to spell grifter Sir.

@stephenhorslen6075

21 күн бұрын

She's stepping down at the next GE , So hardly a career politican .

@pip1723

21 күн бұрын

Lee Anderson should have done the same when he defected to reform but saying that there the same thing.

Her defection adds to the pile of reasons I’ll never vote Labour again. I never have nor ever will vote Conservative.

She simply doesn’t want to be a rotten conservative anymore. Fair play to her

@geeksworkshop

21 күн бұрын

She hasn't changed and nor have the Tory's

@Noel-ji8nm

21 күн бұрын

​@@geeksworkshopLabour has changed for the worse.

@SCHRUBBE1966

21 күн бұрын

She’s out soon hopefully. Look who her husband is

@TheySavedSoldeedsBrain

20 күн бұрын

@@SCHRUBBE1966 She's out soon definitely. She's not standing at the next election. Which can't come soon enough.

@weediestbroom

20 күн бұрын

No mate. She just doesn't want to a rotten conservative in a loosing party. There's a difference

Abbott kicked out of the Labour Party but this shysters welcomed-unbelievable what’s happening to the Labour Party 😮

@alexritchie4586

21 күн бұрын

Don't forget all the hundreds of Jews who were purged because Luke Akehurst says they're the 'wrong type' of Jew.

@nicksimmons7234

21 күн бұрын

Abbott kick out because of an article she wrote for the Guardian. Abbott won’t engage with Labours investigation like Andy McDonald did.

@Boghopper9999

21 күн бұрын

Abbott has not been kicked out; her case is still under review (longest review ever but not officially kicked out), suspended subject to review is different. Corbyn on the other hand is 100% kicked out as he refused to withdraw his statements

@joshuaherbert2472

20 күн бұрын

And Jamie Driscall

She is just hitting Sunak where it hurts - Starmer is just an incidental beneficiary. A lot of Johnson loyalists have declared open season on Sunak, this one has just raised the bar about it, but she isn't contesting her seat anyway so she is going out with a bang.

Mike tapp will be the labour candidate next election

She wants the MPs’ salary and pension. Nothing more. Two faced, self serving sum her up exactly.

@robc7162

21 күн бұрын

She would get it regardless. This is something personal with regards to Sunak tbh.

@AT-gu8by

21 күн бұрын

@@robc7162 Not if she lost her seat in parliament, which will happen anyway.

@yeahsureimdownforthat1698

21 күн бұрын

Shes not standing at the next election. Regardless under Tory or Labour, she wont be an MP come end of next January.

@jsd8981

21 күн бұрын

Just like sunak then...shes' staying true to tory form...!!!

Starmer just another tory 🇬🇧🥳🇬🇧

Whatever we may think, Sunaks PMQ’s was an absolute disaster . That will do for me!

The Labour Party: * expels hundreds of left-wing Jews for being 'the wrong type of Jew' * Also The Labour Party: * welcomes in with open arms a member of the ERG *

@Boghopper9999

21 күн бұрын

Umm, when did this happen exactly? Can you provide a reputable source? I've no love for NE (can't be bothered to spell her name) but the rest rings no bells

@alexritchie4586

21 күн бұрын

@@Boghopper9999 I am not here to educate you about a long running scandal that has received prominent media coverage, as I'm all out spoons and have no desire to feed you.

@keithparker1346

19 күн бұрын

​@@Boghopper9999I suggest you educate yourself

Everything since the disaster of Brexit has been upside down, inside out and shake it all about. This is yet another crazy thing happening. We've all gone mad!

Just makes me think labour is now slightly less right-wing tory party. Tony Blair based his political career on thatcher. So we have a vote for tory or slightly less tory. That's not a choice. If you vote for anyone else they won't get in because they haven't got enough candidates. The illusion of choice. If they aren't she shouldn't be allowed to join the labour party because she won't represent the same ideology.

@jt12343

21 күн бұрын

Vote green !!

@Thedrysurrealbloke

21 күн бұрын

I did and will in the general

The upcoming election is the equivalent of a Coca Cola v Pepsi challenge.

@rolandrothwell4840

21 күн бұрын

I agree Conservative and Labour are two sides of the same coin

@kenk4269

20 күн бұрын

For real thats a perfect description.🤣😅

@fergusdenoon1255

20 күн бұрын

what like a trick challenge, where they lost the Pepsi along the way so they're just doubling up on the Coca Cola.

If she doesn't fall in line, for the brief period she's in the party (I understand she is standing down before the general election), she'll lose the whip, so, right now, it's another MP who's going to vote along party lines in Labour's benefit. I probably wouldn't have accepted her into the party, but I'm not Starmer, and unlike Starmer, who, to his credit, knows how to do politics, I suspect I wouldn't be looking at a Labour majority/possible landslide if I were Labour Party leader. Even as a left-winger, I'm starting to make my peace with the idea that Starmer mostly knows what he's doing.

She's a survivor. Anything to keep her income.

A road to Damascus moment? I doubt it very much. She just wants to kick Sunak in the nuts.

OMG we are so DOOMED!!! 🙏🙏 HELP

Like most politicians she has no real political principles

@moiraruff3292

21 күн бұрын

Or maybe she actually has and has acted on them?

@TheBigGoonerAJ

20 күн бұрын

@@moiraruff3292 nope, shes to the right of sunak allegedly labour stands against everything shes for, shes defecting to save her skin

All they are doing is feathering their own nests despicable W⚓️

This tells us as much about Kid Starver and the New Labour party he is building - or should I say the new tory party with strong zee onist leanings.

Its all the Tory Presenters that don't get it. Tom, Shelagh, Ferrari, Dale are all scared stiff of Labour getting in.

This just proves that there really is very little differencve between the two parties in terms of policy. If you accept that, then this makes perfect sense

If I hadn't quit the labour party last week. This would have made me quit

TORIES ARE FINISHED 😂😂😂😂

@rocky76dude7

21 күн бұрын

Open borders , mass spending and PC and rip UK 2030 .

@stevenhowlett1950

21 күн бұрын

​@@rocky76dude7cry harder 😂

@giraffe3718

21 күн бұрын

And if a bunch of Tories move to Labour? What becomes the difference between the two parties? lol

@ibrstellar1080

21 күн бұрын

There's a cigarette paper difference between the Con-servative and the Liebour with same Billderberg NGO's making the polices.

@ibrstellar1080

21 күн бұрын

@@stevenhowlett1950 You'll be crying when Liebour send your conscription letter to fight in Iran or Ukraine.

"Rock-solid Johnson supporter" may not have been the best way to word that.

Bring back Sangita :) PLease. Nathalie Elphicke has had an epiphany??? Anyway, she is standing down.

My Local MP posted that the Tories had won his constituency during the local elections. This caused much confusion because Labour had won the council. He explained he wasn't talking about the national picture OR the local council, merely the council seats which fall under his MP's constituency borders. In other words, he's happy he might keep his seat in the GE, and doesn't care about anything else! Self Interest!

Noam Chomsky said this about American politics (I've adapted to UK). "In the UK, there is basically one party - the business party. It has two factions, called Conservative and Labour, which are somewhat different but carry out variations on the same policies."

@matthewfoley3929

21 күн бұрын

You are ignoring the unprecedented level of fraud and corruption committed by this government. Also, the significant differences in policy. We have plenty of parties in the UK. People vote for Labour because they like Labour policies or else want to get rid of Tories. Either way, this is because they know the parties to be different. Look at the funding sources for each party, if you want to understand why they are different.

@brainworm666

21 күн бұрын

@@matthewfoley3929 The current Labour party are Blue Labour. Stop with this nonsense.

Tells you something about how far to the right Starmer has taken the party...

I feel like you can point out that she’s stepping down until you’re blue in the face and people will still pretend not to have heard that. Quite MAGA like really.

Coming off the back of the Dan Poulter defection, Starmer wanted another cheap hit against the Tories, so, I get why he took in Elphicke, as problematic as her politics and her loyalty to her dodgy husband is. I speak as a Labour Party member. I also can't imagine a scenario in which Starmer would have told Elphicke where to go, and that's not necessarily an indictment on Starmer; just the nature of party politics in all its cynicism.

She's only thinking of herself, trying to keep her seat.

Important thing to note is she is stepping down at the next GE, this is literally just an F you yo Sunak, nothing more.

@fergusdenoon1255

20 күн бұрын

well it's a pretty poor one, she could have gone to a party people like her are actually going to vote for, instead she went to a party people nothing like her are now doubting.

@azena.

20 күн бұрын

Can you provide a credible source for this claim? I've just looked on Sky News where they've got a list of all MP's standing down at the next GE, and her name is not on there!

@keithparker1346

19 күн бұрын

Why not just simply resign then ?

I think it helps Labour as it ‘normalises’ switching allegiance from Tory to Labour.

She strikes me as a B-Tech Nadine Dorries... trying to make a few paltry headlines whilst twisting the knife into Rishi and blowing kisses to Johnson

She is what you get when someone inherits an electoral seat.

She likes being an MP and wants to keep being one

@yeahsureimdownforthat1698

21 күн бұрын

She's not sitting at the next election.

It's simple she wants out the Tory asylum so sought asylum ..

@robc7162

21 күн бұрын

I see what you did there!

Looks like voters in England are starting to wake up to what voters in Scotland already know; that the the current Labour & Conservative Parties are identical in almost every respect.

@Jonnyonthespot123

21 күн бұрын

Are they though? Conservatives have had scandal of the week for years meanwhile right wing press have to bend over backwards to invent a fake scandal like Starmer's curry or Reynor's house bill from 12 years ago.

Perfect politics...They did a deal shook hands and she has crossed!

None of it makes sense. It's like hearing Yasser Arafat singing My Yiddishe Mama.

Bring back Sangita to replace that hideous woman Feltz. Give Natalie a slot of her own.

2:38 she’s definitely a Tory. No question

Who cares? Where is Sangita?

How rancid is our politics. A hard ,rightwing, anti immigration, anti EU, ERG member, Brexiteer joins labour citing that Tories aren't tough enough on immigration. And labour accept her.. Gotta laugh. Word is a peerage is coming.

Sunak is next to defect...

Natalie Elphicke: Will be voted out with the rest of them. She won’t salvage her office by doing that

Maybe she was labour all along, just like most of the Tories now there's no difference between labour and cons,without a doubt

Labour would do well to not get involved with this right winger.

How many times have we heard recently a Conservative voter say I would never vote labour, maybe this will this change their minds?

It makes perfect sense to me. She thinks Sunak is weai and not harsh enough with immigration. She has decected to Labour to hurt Sunak. Labour are finding the optics useful and she's standing down at the next GE.

It shows that the Labour party is out Torying the Tories

It’s not that complicated! You cannot blame Labour for accepting her PROVIDED it is widely understood that she will not actually stand as a Labour candidate in future (which is indeed confirmed). This move gives Labour a big cheap stick to beat the Tories with, gain maximum publicity and also potentially sway some Tory votes their way. Meanwhile Elphicke has also gained maximum publicity, which potentially extends her political career and gives her more kudos if/when she does eventually move to Reform (or similar). Simples 🙂

@malcolmstockbridge2569

21 күн бұрын

Very well put....the big problem is all the idiots who post here and elsewhere who fire off like a rocket with half the information before they find out she isnt standing at the GE.

@MsCharlieBrown78

21 күн бұрын

right!

@fergusdenoon1255

20 күн бұрын

you can blame Labour for accepting her... because... Labour accepted her. if they didnt, shed have done what? stayed? moved to a party that will actually damage the conservative vote? that actually stands by her ideals, giving Labour the same stick to bash the Conservatives with, without covering their hands in S%&*...? she has potentially swayed right wing conservative voters to vote for someone else (the Labour party? come on! serious cope!) Starmer has potentially swayed Labour voters to vote for someone else.

@azena.

20 күн бұрын

Where are you seeing that she's standing down? I cannot find a source for this. You are making this claim that she is standing down at the next GE, please can you give a credible source for this claim.

@malcolmstockbridge2569

20 күн бұрын

@@azena. It came from her...in many interviews !

Since when potitics is logical?

Toasted Tories.

Where is Sangita?

As someone who is fairly centre of left I think it gives a statement that Labour are willing to work with the other side of the aisle. If nothing else, it gives the illusion of being reasonable. Whether they are or not is a separate question.

Why do politicians get a safety net like this? Labour should have some self esteem, protect their constituents and not allow these career politicians that know their hateful politics are their (and the country's) downfall defect. If MP's can't reconcile their grievances in their own party then resign. Stop demeaning the voters. People like Elphicke do not belong in the Labour Party and everyone knows it, she just doesn't want to lose her cushy job.

@keithparker1346

19 күн бұрын

The sad fact is that backstabbing hypocritical Elphicke DOES belong in the Labour Party

They are 2 halves of the same party

I don't understand how Labour supporters can vote for Starmer! He is Red Tory

I hope Sunal doesn’t call the election until January, this is all so much fun to watch.

Starmer will ensure this Tory will get a peerage 😂

@GregOrCreg

21 күн бұрын

Just as Boris Johnson gave a peerage to Ian Austin as a reward for accusing Labour of antisemitism.

She's more right wing than Braverman you couldn't make it up!! Starmer the tory...

Not for me think it’s brilliant Tory’s from falling to pieces bow falling to dust

Every Wednesday another MP will defect! It’s so obviously what they are up to. They probably have 6-8 mps lined up already.

Tories out..

had enough of defending the indefensible

Watch the big game , never interfere when your enemies making mistakes 💯

The fact that Natalie Elphicke, having spent years voting with the Tories, is allowed to suddenly join Labour with open arms while Diane Abbott still hasn't had her whip reinstated is a disgrace.

@beagchic3488

20 күн бұрын

Tories need to start a campaign to get abbot back, they need Labour to lose votes in the next general election 😂

@KrisRogos

20 күн бұрын

@@beagchic3488 I think this is her best chance too! Join Conservatives for a week and then defect back to Labour 😂

Tom you are over thinking this.

Piece of work that one!!

They shouldn’t be accepted into the party, they want to stay payed, that’s all, let them lose their seats!

@yeahsureimdownforthat1698

21 күн бұрын

She's not sitting at the next election. She's has a (very limited in scope) job working under labour, but come the election, it wont be as a MP.

It proves one thing the Tories are hypocrites, they have lost the meaning of government. Kick them out.

@keithparker1346

19 күн бұрын

It proves Labour are hypocritical too

probably hasn't backfired for the carpetbagger in question.

Is she a Tory Spy ?????? Just asking.

What type of defection is this?

Career politicians lacking a spine

"Rock solid Johnson"

Bring Back Sangita!

Labour voters (and others) probably want to give these Tories such an electoral trouncing, that whatever hurts them, whatever leads to their destruction, however fleeting, is fine. The just want to see them anihilated and the how doesn't matter. If this cements the message to voters that the Tories are finished and Labour is the alternative, EVEN FOR TORIES, this might pave the way for an utter electoral catastrophe for the Tories. As a lefty, I'd take that deal, even if it gives a woman like this a brief consulting gig.

@keithparker1346

19 күн бұрын

If you're a lefty you'd not be supporting Labour

@poneill65

19 күн бұрын

@@keithparker1346Anyone, well anyone with half a brain, knows that in the First past the Post electoral system, you vote against the party you most dislike, not for the party you most like. I AM a lefty. I despise the Tories. To vote against the Tories there is one option, regardless of whatever dumb thought crimes you think THIS Labour is guilty of. Voting FOR your ideals is idiotic in this electoral system. It's how you get played by the system. But, if you like being an oblivious chump, you do you.

@keithparker1346

19 күн бұрын

@@poneill65 you're not left wing

If it makes other tories to switch sides then its ok but labour also needs to keep the left onside.

@keithparker1346

19 күн бұрын

They have not kept the left on side

Many more will follow.

It's a Westminster luvvie story.

What is Starmer cooking?!

@robc7162

21 күн бұрын

A GE victory for Labour, simples.

Tories are Toast 😂😂😮😮😢😢😅😅😅😅😂😂😢😢😢😮😮😂😂😂

Your ancestors came on wooden boats 😂

Labour flummoxes me for allowing a Brexiteering, Boris devotee, Rwanda Plan lover to join. Natalie Elphicke is not in the slightest a Centralist and indeed not of the Left but the contrary.

@paulnewman2000

20 күн бұрын

Deal will likely be that she stands aside at next election, and she gets a role advising on a policy area that is away from core left/ right controversy, maybe housing, since she showed a lot of interest in leasehold reform.

@keithparker1346

19 күн бұрын

​@@paulnewman2000so that's ok then?

@paulnewman2000

19 күн бұрын

@@keithparker1346 It depends what you mean by OK. If the deal is she keeps her views on immigration and trans issues to herself, and only advises on a neutral issue, then she's contributing to making life better on balance, not worse, and its one more voice silenced in the tory echo chamber. If it works from a pragmatic and practical point of view, then in some limited sense of the word, yes it is OK. If you've ever worked with a lawyer, banker or accountant, you will know don't have to be in love with the people you work with, for them to help you make life better. If you mean is it fair and equitable when national treasure Dianne Abbot is still without the whip, clearly not.

@keithparker1346

19 күн бұрын

@@paulnewman2000 that's excuse making. Nice try

It's a game called politics. Surely, political commentators can work that out! Politicians spend enough time trying to persuade the electorate to switch their voting intention, why not MPs as well? Whether you agree with it or not it did pack a punch and you're all talking about it. Starmer's clearly trolling Sunak.

@keithparker1346

19 күн бұрын

No he isnt

I'm not quite sure I agree with the idea of this causing significant backlash. Surprise, shock, people who are labour supporters disagreeing, backlash in that sense perhaps. But how many people, who are strong, ideological labour supporters will now switch and vote to another party? I doubt the numbers are high, especially with how effective people have been in voting tacitcally in By-elections. I don't necessarily agree with accepting her either, but it's probably much less of a problem than said here. It's also important to keep in mind that those who want a more ideologically charged labour party have largely given up for the current term due to how far in the center Keir Starmer seems to be, I doubt this is changing much in the overall landscape.

@keithparker1346

19 күн бұрын

Centre...no try right wing

@witthyhumpleton3514

19 күн бұрын

@@keithparker1346 Nah, centre is right for the political spectrum in Britain. He has policies that could just as well be Tory policies, but at the same time he also has others like nationalising rail, which are definitely left. That's what makes someone a centrist, when they pick policies from both sides along a 2 sided political spectrum. Doesn't mean I like him anymore than you do, I'm a communist.

Something has happened behind LBC SCREENS.... WHERE IS SANGITA MYSKA?????

Bring back Sangita

@tomcharles8786

20 күн бұрын

..and get rid, small minded heavy brick....

This shows that Sir Keir Starmer is playing chess when his opponents (some within his own party) are playing checkers. He is showing that Labour is now a broad church. More importantly, he shuts down talk from Tories of Labour being soft on immigration because of their opposition to the foolish and costly Rwanda scheme. That is why this Dover MP joining Labour is a strong win for Sir Keir as she has accused Sunak of being weak on immigration.

@keithparker1346

19 күн бұрын

It doesn't show that at all

How low can Starmer get?

The story is her moving to labour, but you have to make it about labour well done LBC 🙄

Net migration into the UK was a record 745,000 (maybe 1000,000) in 2022. Net migration in the year to June 2023 was at 672,000(maybe 1 million). Other, 102,807 people granted Ukraine Visa and Extension Schemes visas. 43,368 people granted Hong Kong BN(O) visas. The top 1 nationalities on visas were Indian. In 2023: report estimates estimates therre were 14,648 stowaways. In a single year, What possible difference is a couple of photo op flights to Rwanda. Uk is an island country with small land area, How many houses.schools hospitals are there in UK?

@ibrstellar1080

21 күн бұрын

It's all by design and the same Problem-Reaction-Solution formula with Digital ID'S incoming and the end of our Human rights and civil rights while Blackrock/Vanguard/Statestreet bleed us dry.

She left the conservative party led by rishi sunak to join the conservative party led by Kia Starman

@multipl3

21 күн бұрын

Edgy