As soon as you mentioned Michelle Duggar then I realized why that “voice” sounded familiar.

Reminds me of an episode of Laudermilk where he mocks a young woman selling coffee with a pretentious affect until she gets so upset that she uses her regular voice.

@bri642

2 ай бұрын

I take issue with that clip because maybe the woman talks in a voice that she has been pushed into by the patriarchy, and then a man makes fun of her for fulfilling the role she was forced into. And if not feeling pressured into it, maybe she just wants to and is exploring her identity. Many men like James Bond use a vocal fry as well, but it is more often women that get made fun of for it. People don't often notice when men do it, which is another feminist issue of people taking issue with women doing things that nobody notices when a man does it.

@snokful

29 күн бұрын

And isn't it interesting that women get mocked for being "fake", "insecure", "inauthentic", "thirst trapping", "a sl*t", "weak" when performing femininity, and mocked for being "ugly", "letting herself go", "mannish", "not making an effort", "will die alone" when she doesn't. What does that tell you, hmm?

I think it is harsh to put the blame on women, who in some cases may be doing this voice and being indirect as a safety mechanism in unsafe environments or perceived unsafe environments. I think we should be focusing calling out the forces pushing women into these roles, and be careful about putting down women who may already not feel safe and forced into a particular dialect or role.

@snokful

29 күн бұрын

What part of the video or what quote did you feel did that? Because I did not get that message at all, but may have missed something?

Six foot tall? I never noticed that before. I often see you sitting rather than standing so I don’t have those reference points to gauge your height.

@ParkrosePermaculture

2 ай бұрын

My husband is 6ft 3 and my son 6ft 5, so if they're next to me in a video, I look short by comparison :)

is this voice a myth? because i only hear people talk about it, not actually do it

@ParkrosePermaculture

Ай бұрын

Hang out in evangelical circles. Or with my MIL. Homeschool groups...It absolutely is a thing.

@rachelclare1398

Ай бұрын

As a white woman in Christian circles in America - I have never heard of this until today, have never ever had any Christian comment on the idea of how women speak, and have never heard a woman speak in this type of voice outside of Michelle Duggar. So yeah, while she apparently experienced this, it is far from a norm. The amount of generalization and projection in this video is wild!

@snokful

29 күн бұрын

I hear this voice a LOT just in media from your country, and all the shades in between. It says SO MUCH about a woman's background and outlook how she talks. There's shades of cutesiness in SO MUCH of heterosexual white women cultural voices. Contrast that with lesbian white women, who tend to speak with a lower register, who laugh more loudly and freely. Contrast that with Black women of any sexuality - the difference is very noticeable. I can see this vocal effect especially in your midwest and south white women, and tends to be correlated with conservatism. These patterns are there, and to outsiders it is pretty obvious!

@rachelclare1398

28 күн бұрын

@@snokful you’re combining a lot of different factors here which are broaden in this topic far beyond the initial video. First of all, to state the obvious: women biologically have higher voices than men. Lesbian women using a lower (masculine) voice do not obligate heterosexual women to defend our natural higher register. Secondly, I would be careful making assumptions about an entire culture based on w ha t you see in “the media in your country.” Even the way you phrased that exposes a lack of actual on-the-ground observation. There is absolutely a type of voice and manner of speaking used by some women, which can be described as cutesy or with a rising inflection. However, this video is linking a specific style of this voice to Christianity at large, which is an extreme generalization and frankly, prejudiced stereotype. I totally agree with you that different communities and different ethnic groups have different manners of speaking, because we learn to speak from our families. This video claims that it is normal in evangelical Christian America to overtly teach and pressure women to speak in a specific voice, which simply isn’t true. Again, perhaps this has occurred in certain circles, (which would be pretty easy to demonstrate as churches have been publishing and recording sermons for decades). But to claim it as the norm simply isn’t true.

@bekagraber614

24 күн бұрын

So, in my experience the churches i attended REGULARLY did not have this. HOWEVER, I have visited churches where this is a thing. Fortunately, the ones where this was happening, were in the minority

What Bible are you reading lol. We are individuals. God made you, you. Blessings

@ParkrosePermaculture

2 ай бұрын

I don't read any Bible anymore, I've deconstructed from religion. But so many evangelical cultural expectations are NOT rooted in the Bible at all.