FULL - Was Christ Crucified Debate - Ahmed Deedat VS Floyd E. Clark

FULL - Was Christ Crucified Debate - Ahmed Deedat VS Floyd E. Clark

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  • @madimec
    @madimec10 жыл бұрын

    Alhamdulillah Sheikh Ahmed Deedat, You are the greatest person I have ever seen who has stood for the faith of Islam - The only religion acceptable in the sight of Allah Subhanavatalah. May your soul rest in peace, in Heaven.

  • @islam0wisdom
    @islam0wisdom12 жыл бұрын

    masha Allah, Deedat and the miracle of Jonas is amazing

  • @ringofauzie2669
    @ringofauzie266911 жыл бұрын

    bismillah.......sheikh ahmad deedat your words is so power....! salute you sir.......may GOD bless you......

  • @mkkh2923
    @mkkh29238 жыл бұрын

    Gentleman Mr Clark is finding hard time in standing in this debate. As always Mr. Deedat is at his best. If people have doubt even after listening to Mr. Deedat then only God Almighty can only help them.

  • @warfaze00
    @warfaze0012 жыл бұрын

    Allahu Akbar.

  • @warfaze00
    @warfaze0012 жыл бұрын

    Allahu Akbar !

  • @islam0wisdom
    @islam0wisdom12 жыл бұрын

    Ahmad deedat is wonderful. who does he know about these verses in bible

  • @Surataro
    @Surataro12 жыл бұрын

    Don't say that my dear brother, lots of christians are very well behaved people, living a life with honesty towards their religious background, it is our job (in a way) when we have the opportunity to do so, to reach them with arguments, not hate, but conversation, exchanges, trust in each other, and respect! I know it may be hard from time to time, but clench your teeths if you want to initiate a fruitful dialog ;) Wa aleykoum salam wa lahmatoulahi wa barakatouh

  • @pathfinder5849
    @pathfinder58499 жыл бұрын

    Christ mission could be fulfill only through suffering. Before Him was a life of sorrow, hardship and conflict and an ignominious death. He must bear the sin of the whole world. He must endured separation from His Father’s love. Now the tempter offered to yield up the power he had usurped. Christ might deliver Himself from the dreadful future by acknowledging the supremacy of Satan. But to do this was to yield the victory in the great controversy. It was in seeking to exalt himself above God that Satan had sinned in heaven. Should he prevail now, it would be the triumph of rebellion. When Satan declared to Christ, The kingdom and the glory of the world are delivered unto me, and to whomsoever I will I give it, he stated what was true only in part, and he declared it to serve his own purpose of deception. Satan’s dominion was that wrested from Adam, but Adam was the vicegerent of the Creator. He was not an independent rule. The earth is God’s, and He has committed all things to His Son. Adam was to reign subject to Christ. When Adam betrayed his sovereignty unto Satan’s hand, Christ still remained the rightful King. Thus said the Lord to King Nebuchadnezzar, The Most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever He will.” Dan 4:17 Satan can exercise his usurped authorithy only as God permits. When the tempter offered to Christ the kingdom and glory of the world, he was proposing that Christ should yield up the real kingship of the world, and held dominion subject to Satan. This was the same dominion upon which the hopes of the Jews were set. They desired the kingdom of this world. If Christ should consent to offer them such a kingdom they would gladly have received Him. But the curse of sin, with all its woe rested upon it. By the one who had revolted in heaven the kingdom of this world were offered to Christ, to buy His homage to the principle of evil; but He would not be bought; He had come to establish a kingdom of righteousness, and He would not abandon His purpose. With the same temptation Satan approaches man and here he has better success than with Christ. To men he offers them the kingdom of this world on condition that they may acknowledge his supremacy. He required that they sacrifice integrity, disregard conscience, indulge selfishness. Christ bids them first seeks the kingdom of God and His righteousness; but Satan walks by their side and says ; Whatever may be true in regard to life eternal, in order to make a success in this world you must serve me, I hold your welfare in my hand. I can give you riches, pleasure, honor, and happiness. Hearken to my counsel. Do not allow yourself to be carried away with whimsical notions of honesty or self sacrifice. I will prepare the way before you. They consent to live for the service of self, and Satan is satisfied. While he allures them with the hope of worldly dominion, he gain dominion over the soul. But he offers that which is not his to bestow, and soon to be wrested from him. Satan has questioned whether Jesus was the Son of God. In his summary dismissal he had proof he could not gainsay. Divinity flash through suffering humanity. Satan had no power to resist the command. We cannot save ourselves from the tempter’s power, he has conquered humanity, and when we to stand in our own strength, we shall become a prey to his devises; but “the name of the Lord is a strong tower: the righteousness and is save.” Proverbs 18:10 After the foe had departed, Jesus fell exhaust to the Earth, with the pallor of death upon His face. The angels of heaven had watch the conflict, beholding their loved commander as He passed through inexpressible suffering to make a way of escape for us. He had endured the test, greater than we shall ever be called to endured. The angels now ministered to the Son of God as He lay like one dying. He was strengthened with food, comforted with the message of His Father love and the assurance that all heaven triumphed in His victory. Warming to life again, His great heart goes out in sympathy for man, and He goes forth to complete the work He has begun; to rest not until the foe is vanguished, and our fallen race redeemed. Never can the cost of our redemption be realized until the redeemed shall stand with the redeemer before the throne of God. Then as the glories of the eternal home burst upon our enraptured senses we shall remember that Jesus left all this for us, that He not only became an exile from the heavenly courts, but for us took the risk of failure and eternal loss. Then we shall cast our crown at his feet, and raised the song,” Worthy is the lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honor, and glory, and blessing.” Revelation 5:12 Whom did Abraham sacrificed? Was it Isaac as written in the scripture or was it Ishmael? What does this sacrifice represent? It is a symbol that the Lamb of God will one day fulfilled what is written in Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed, it shall bruise thy head, and thou shall bruise his heel. Why does God required such a bloody sacrifice for the remission of sin? What does this sacrifice meant? What lesson lies here that God wants us to realize. The Gospel When the Israelite comes out of Egypt their encampment were in square, with three tribe on every side, each under their own emblem, namely three tribe under a symbol of an ox on one side, another three tribe under the symbol of a man, another three tribes under the symbol of a lion and another three remaining tribe under the symbol of an eagle. These are the four Characteristics of Jesus Christ. The Lion symbolize a King for He is the King of Kings, The man as He comes as a Human as to fulfilled God's promise in Genesis 3:15. The Ox symbolize The Supreme Sacrifice which is done by the high priest and the eagle His Divinity. These four living "Creatures" was also seen by John as reveal in the book of Revelation. That is why the New testament began with this four Gospel and the new testament was written that one would understand the Old testament. The Resurection When Jesus as He hung upon the cross, cried out, “it is finished” the rock rent, the earth shook, and some of the grave were shaken open; for when Jesus arose from the death and the grave, when He walk forth from His prison house a triumph conqueror, while the earth was reeling and shaking, and the excellent glory of heaven clustered around the sacred spot, obedient to His call many of the righteous dead came forth as witness that He had risen. These favored, resurrected saints came forth glorified. They were few chosen and Holy ones who had live in every age from creation even down to the days of Christ. And while the chief priests and Pharisees are seeking to cover up the resurrection of Christ, God chose to bring up a company from their graves to testify that Jesus had risen, and to declared His Glory.

  • @nnamdiuneabunso9538

    @nnamdiuneabunso9538

    8 жыл бұрын

    Very nice piece. Really insightful and informative.

  • @zfk110

    @zfk110

    6 жыл бұрын

    John 5:19 So Jesus (pbuh)said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of his own ... For whatever the Father does, that the Son does likewise. .... For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but to do the will of Him who sent Me." while he was on cross according to bible Jesus(pbuh) in loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani! "...? My God, My God, why have You abandoned Me -- leaving Me helpless, deserted me? forsaking and failing Me in My need? why the son of god crying and asking for help if he was there willingly to take care of your sin???? Died for humanities sin"??? would you die for my sins? would you take medicine if your friend had cancer? would you go to jail if your father commit murder? would you get ticket if I was driving fast and you were under speed limit? would you punish your son because your brother raped someone in another town??? Will you put your mother in prison because your sister in law caught stealing, would you hang your sister because your father in law killed someone, will you go to prison, because your friend caught robbing???? will your uncle go to jail because your father scammed someone????????????????? would you? would you??? no you wont right. so how stupid that argument is, why so loving god go out of his way and punish whole mankind because someone else did something? why so loving god kills his only begotten son not made for Adam's and eve's sins?????

  • @maxpatrickhamon
    @maxpatrickhamon8 жыл бұрын

    Y'SHU/JESUS/'ISA'S MODE AND MANNER OF DEATH: THE CURRENT UNDERSTANDING AND TRANSLATIONS OF QURANIC 4:157 VERSE CLEARLY IN ERROR If we just reinstate the original verb phrase qatala wa ṣalaba, “to kill/slay and hang”, borrowed from the ancient Yisraelite executionary law and practice phraseology in Targumic Aramaic (qatala w-tsilaba, “to put to death and suspend”) and the Talmudic and scriptural context of the portion of Q 4:157 for disambiguation’s sake, we can read in clear the Quranic ayat/verses preceding and following it (Q 4:156-158) in full length rendered and commented in English accordingly (Rendering and inserted comments my own): “And because of their [conservative and ultra-conservative ancient Pharisaic rabbis’] disbelief and of their speaking against Miriam/Mary/Maryam a tremendous calumny [saying she had sex with many men and played the harlot with carpenters]; And because of their saying:We put to death [by stoning] the Messiah, ‘Isa/Jesus/Y’shu, son of Miriam/Mary/Maryam, the messenger of Allah/The Divinity/Ha-Eloha and hanged him - they put him not to death [by stoning] nor hanged him [post-mortem on a tree or wooden structure for public exposure and as warning], but [on Pessaḥ/Passover Eve] it [‘Isa/Jesus/Y’shu’s mode of execution after the manner of the Roman empire] looked comparable unto them; and lo! Those who disagree concerning it [‘Isa/Jesus/Y’shu’s mode of execution and death] are in doubt thereof; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture; they put him not to death [by stoning] for certain. Nay, [the Romans first scourged him and then crucified him alive and left him hanged till death] Allah/The Divinity/Ha-Eloha raised him up [from those asleep in death to life again and exalted him to honour] unto himself; and Allah/The Divinity/Ha-Eloha is exalted in power and wise.” (Q 4:156-158) Indeed where the Talmud says (Sanhedrin Tractate, 43a; 106a; Shabbat Tractate 104b) Y’shu‘/ Jesus/‘Isa was a sorcerer, son of a whore, and an enticer and seducer of the people of Yisrael, the Qur‘ān states (4:156/157; 171/169) the Word of Allah/The Divinity/Ha-Eloha and the Spirit [of Truth] entered into Miriam/Mary/Maryam, and begat Y’shu‘/Jesus/‘Isa who is the Messiah and the Messenger of Allah/The Divinity/Ha-Eloha. Where The Talmud says (Sanhedrin Tractate, 43a) Y’shu‘/Jesus/‘Isa was condemned to death by stoning and was hanged on Pessaḥ/Passover Eve (supposedly after his execution) on a tree or wooden structure, (see Devarim/ Deuteronomy 21:22-23 and thus apparently in contradiction with Al-Injīl/The Evangel/Ha-Bessorah), the Qur‘ān implicitly states (4:156/157) he was not put to death by stoning and was not hanged (after his execution) but his mode of execution (in the manner of the Roman empire i.e. scourging followed by pre-mortem crucifixion till death on a tree or wooden structure) looked comparable to conservative and ultra-conservative ancient Pharisaic rabbis and he was raised (from temporal physical death to life again and exalted to honour) to Allah/The Divinity/Ha-Eloha. No less and no more. Thus staring directly at the very contextual backdrop of the Q 4:157, it is self-evident that the ayah/verse is not a denial of Y’shu‘/Jesus/‘Isa’s crucifixion and sacrificial death as related in the Injīl/Evangel. NOT AT ALL! Most obviously, it shall be read as a categorical ‘iqqarei/refutation and ‘brief sanitisation’ of Talmudic teachings offensive to believers’ faith. All the best, Max Patrick HAMON Professional cryptologist and former Ustadh at the University of Ryad (1976-1978)

  • @justicepartyuk
    @justicepartyuk9 жыл бұрын

    Jesus never died, he was raised to haven

  • @peterwinston1028

    @peterwinston1028

    9 жыл бұрын

    if you are so smart to know what you have no seen (like the not witness, muhammed), tell us what happened... come on! we want to laugh...

  • @peterwinston1028

    @peterwinston1028

    9 жыл бұрын

    well but I asked you why the apostles believed that jesus resurrected. if you know that jesus did not die, nor was raised, (and you, like muhammed, know it without being eyewitness), also you know what I'm asking. I hope your masterful response.

  • @justicepartyuk

    @justicepartyuk

    9 жыл бұрын

    Death of Jesus is made up, there was no bible for 400 years after Jesus

  • @peterwinston1028

    @peterwinston1028

    9 жыл бұрын

    you say the first thing that occurs to you.

  • @justicepartyuk

    @justicepartyuk

    9 жыл бұрын

    see signs of prophet Moses @ Arshad khan justice on face book

  • @axmed1850
    @axmed18508 жыл бұрын

    Jesus never said I am God. Is this a coincidence? I think not. If you make a claim on someone, then you would expect that someone to back your claim up. If I claim somebody is a king, you would expect that king to say he is a king, at least once. In the OT God says he is God several times, why not once with Jesus in the NT? Did God change his ways? I think not, since the OT says God does not change. Here are the passages from the OT where God says he is God: Gen 35:11 And God said unto him, I [am] GodAlmighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins Gen 46:3 And he said, I [am] God, the God of thy father: fear not to go down into Egypt; for Iwill there make of thee a great nation: Exd 16:12 I have heard the murmurings of the children of Israel: speak unto them, saying, Ateven ye shall eat flesh, and in the morning ye shall be filled with bread; and ye shall knowthat I [am] the LORD your God. Exd 20:2 I [am] the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Psa 46:10 Be still, and know that I [am] God: Iwill be exalted among the heathen, I will be exalted in the earth. Psa 50:7 Hear, O my people, and I will speak; OIsrael, and I will testify against thee: I [am] God, [even] thy God. Psa 81:10 I [am] the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt: open thy mouth wide, and I will fill it. Isa 41:10 Fear thou not; for I [am] with thee: be not dismayed; for I [am] thy God: I will strengthen thee; yea, I will help thee; yea, I will uphold thee with the right hand of my righteousness. Isa 45:3 And I will give thee the treasures of darkness, and hidden riches of secret places, that thou mayest know that I, the LORD, which call [thee] by thy name, [am] the God of Israel. Isa 45:5 I [am] the LORD, and [there is] none else, [there is] no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me: Isa 46:9 Remember the former things of old: for I [am] God, and [there is] none else; [I am]God, and [there is] none like me, Jer 32:27 Behold, I [am] the LORD, the God of all flesh: is there any thing too hard for me? Eze 13:9 And mine hand shall be upon the prophets that see vanity, and that divine lies: they shall not be in the assembly of my people, neither shall they be written in the writing of the house of Israel, neither shall they enter into the land of Israel; and ye shall know that I [am] the Lord GOD. Eze 20:19 I [am] the LORD your God; walk in my statutes, and keep my judgments, and do them; Eze 20:20 And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I [am] the LORD your God. Eze 23:49 And they shall recompense your lewdness upon you, and ye shall bear the sins of your idols: and ye shall know that I [am] the Lord GOD. So as we can see, God is not shy to say I am God. SO if Jesus is God, then how come he never said it once like the God of the OT? This is not a coincidence.

  • @ALIMUNTH
    @ALIMUNTH11 жыл бұрын

    @moegunz44 I am on my phone salamo alaykom