Gohan saying he doesnt need to go super anymore to Kefla who's been snorting transformations is just so badass to me

@ibrothebro6864

3 жыл бұрын

LOL I love this comment.

@ayushkumarsingh3038

2 жыл бұрын

Snorting transformations is the most accurate description of her performance in ToP

@TheTerminator2298

2 жыл бұрын

@@ayushkumarsingh3038 Especially since Cale? Kale? Thought she was beating Goku in SSJ God while she was SSJ2. Gohan should feel happy. He was the first to hit that kind of power. She flaunts it, but Gohan was the first to master it

@TonyStarkCLC

2 жыл бұрын

This is actually the human potential. Gohan is tapping from human resources (obviously, this was unlocked by the Ancestor Elder Kaiohshin), and not from Saiyan resources. Now imagine Krillin's full potential as human if the elder could unlock it like he did with Gohan. Or even Tenshinhan.

@tamagotchichildhood

2 жыл бұрын

@@TonyStarkCLC it would be no where even close as strong as gohans potential. i imagine krilling or tien would get a transformation equal to ssj at the very least, considering that powerup 100% depends on your latent ability. gohan is the perfect specimen for the awakening because its been noted he has the highest potential out of everyone. vegeta has acknowledged this many times throughout Z and in super as well. Also if you think back to namek saga, when the elder namek released krillin and gohans potential, krillin didnt get as much as a boost compared to kid gohan because the latent ability wasnt there in comparison for krillin.

I'm going to imagine this Gohan existed in the anime and finally rest my soul.

@cinemanimetheories3040

3 жыл бұрын

lol

@VGGamess

3 жыл бұрын

Why do they continue to shy away from what was already written... they got ma boi gohan strugglin in super😭

@cinemanimetheories3040

3 жыл бұрын

@@VGGamess yeah they did

@chickbowdrie4750

3 жыл бұрын

@@VGGamess I know. This Gohan is so ultra-focused and serious... and also super strong!!! Although I'd rather his strength would have come from a second form above the mystic form, still this also makes sense. Now I admit, the fact that he's strong enough to go toe to toe with Kefla is stretching it. I wouldn't think he'd be THAT powerful. Afterall, Kale had become stronger than her berserk form which is already ridiculous. Caulifla had gone SSJ2, so now their fused which made their combined power significantly magnified. But then Kefla turned SSJ and her power is on another level! So given that she's way stronger now than a Kaioken SSB, I'm not seeing how Gohan is that strong. Seems they merely brought Kefla down a couple notches and brought Gohan up alot. The only reason this would make sense is if Gohan truly did reach a new level of power higher than Mystic while he was training before the tournament. That's a concept I really like. Either way this Gohan is the true Gohan we wanted - the perfect blend between the current Gohan who is intelligent and calculating, and future Gohan who had a true warrior's spirit and a level of courage above even what we've seen in the other Z fighters (I guess now it's S fighters lol). I think this is the Gohan we always wanted. And to see his dad become very impressed with his skills! That was truly the cherry on top and icing on the cake. Now if we could see what Vegeta thought of Gohan...

@christopherford39

3 жыл бұрын

@@chickbowdrie4750 I don't understand why you are bringing blue kaioken into this manga fight. Manga Kefla is weaker, kale nor caulifla have ssj2, gohan actually kept up hus training and blue kaioken doesn't exist in the manga mastered/perfected blue does

The fact that Gohan was able to train with Piccolo for a few HOURS and was able to match Kefla’s Power, after not training for years is really astonishing

@spritvio639

Жыл бұрын

It is more astonishing the other way around. These are characters who didn't even know what SSJ was yesterday in universe and they are already throwing hands with Gohan.

@pratikzade2310

Жыл бұрын

​@@spritvio639 I mean they're fused and one of them is the legendary super Saiyan. Have you seen how fast Broly adapts and grows stronger?

@jajo3203

Жыл бұрын

It may be different in the Manga But In the anime Gohan asks Piccolo to retrain him after Frieza almost kills him so it was more than a few hours

@henkaistudio

Жыл бұрын

@@jajo3203Anime Kefla is stronger then Manga Kefla despite the fact she can transform into Super Saiyan 2 and Manga Kefla was only shown as a Super Saiyan and in fact was born a Super Saiyan as well.

@jajo3203

Жыл бұрын

@@henkaistudio Uh Why you telling me this😭

The Gohan we deserved in the anime

@cinemanimetheories3040

3 жыл бұрын

Yes we do

@calmcat3642

2 жыл бұрын

@@cinemanimetheories3040 i wish the anime didn't nerf gohan i hope in the dragon ball movie 2022 they get Gohan stronger then his dad

@jayari7674

2 жыл бұрын

@@calmcat3642 it at lest give him god ki

@legendarysaiyan3263

2 жыл бұрын

@@calmcat3642 not stronger bc we all know thats not gonna happen but at least be able to compare to ui

@j04370859

2 жыл бұрын

@calm cat No, it would make absolute, no sense at all, for him to surpass Goku, not until he trains more.

This is the gohan we all once loved.

I like how gohan had his old clothes on and how he actually got a good fight. It lowkey was a fair fight because there is no way kefla could fight against uu goku. And it gave gohan more screen time. They should have went with da manga all the way through

@ruel762

3 жыл бұрын

Like broly being better than beerus makes sese

@clussjr.7403

3 жыл бұрын

@HyūgaToni awl

@kenn9283

3 жыл бұрын

@@ruel762 I think they’ve gone back on that right?

@fabianvilla3971

3 жыл бұрын

@@ruel762 he's not

@Kruegernator123

3 жыл бұрын

Kefla could've turned SSJ3 in the anime and she STILL wouldn't have been a match for Ultra Instinct Goku. They buffed her far too much in the anime.

Gohan was a beast on this chapter 💯💯💯

@cinemanimetheories3040

3 жыл бұрын

i cant wait for him to be a bad ass again cuz he didnt shine too much on the moro's arc, maybe in the anime

@PureGamingpro

3 жыл бұрын

@@cinemanimetheories3040 but when did this fight happen. I’m confused

@cinemanimetheories3040

3 жыл бұрын

@@PureGamingpro it happened during the tournament of power but just in the manga not the anime, even thou the story ends the same way they always manage to change it a lil bit so people don’t get bored, like for example, in the anime Vegeta became Super Saiyan God for the first time in the Broly movie, but in the manga Vegeta became super saiyan god in the TOP for the first time...

@User_Here414

3 жыл бұрын

@@cinemanimetheories3040 that's the first time he became a Super Saiyan God?... didn't he use Super Saiyan God in the Goku black Arc

@javonpeeler2336

3 жыл бұрын

@@User_Here414 yep he did

Now this is the same man who fought Cell and Buu

@jasonone8726

Жыл бұрын

Cell Max

I like the manga version of Kefla. The anime had her trying to swap hands with UI Goku which was unnecessary as she shouldn’t even be near that level of power. Having her be at Gohan’s level is much more grounded and realistic but I admit Goku’s kamehameha towards Kefla was god tier.

@j04370859

2 жыл бұрын

She wasn't near UI, she was completely losing lol

@duckythegamer7263

2 жыл бұрын

@@j04370859 I know that’s why I said she wasn’t near that power so it shouldn’t have happened

@bellattery

2 жыл бұрын

anime fusions boosts are busted they basically made it seem Kefla was Vegito gaining zenkais mid match with Brolys power. Goku was tired and alot of *plot* happened so just for convenience they made her matter Kefla had no business having a chance vs blue either Goku punched her hard enough that her hands instantly went numb even after all those boosts it spelled the end all he needed was a gut punch and she was done.

@OmegaTheMyth

2 жыл бұрын

@@bellattery Kefla as a Super Saiyan being stronger than Blue Goku makes perfect sense. Whenever Gogeta or Vegito show up in Super, they vastly outperform Blue Goku in either only base form or Super Saiyan. Let's say in terms of fusion potential, Kefla is a 50 to a 75 while Vegito and Gogeta are 100. Kefla, while still being a weaker fusion, is still using fusion which is indisputably the strongest technique in the franchise.

@OmegaTheMyth

2 жыл бұрын

@@bellattery Also fusion is equally busted in the manga because base form Vegito nearly vaporizes Fused Zamasu.

This is why the manga is better and DBZ was more faithful to the manga hopefully DBS2 will be more faithful to the manga

@mcpegamer4683

3 жыл бұрын

Are u sure goku call gohan that little shit in mnga

@leezhouwen359

3 жыл бұрын

Let you know the Dragon ball super manga chapter of Gohan vs Kefla was actually written months AFTER final anime episode. The anime could not be faithful to the manga because the chapter was not written. It is different where in other anime adaptations they tried to catch up to their manga counterparts but the Dragon Ball super manga was written after the anime itself.

@richardakasunny5977

3 жыл бұрын

@@leezhouwen359 sadly strong gohan and ultra instinct master Roshi are non existent in the anime now because of that

@rabikhan589

2 жыл бұрын

@@leezhouwen359 manga still better

@Deathmare235

2 жыл бұрын

@@leezhouwen359 it’s like Akame ga kill and fullmetal alchemist

This is the Gohan who fought Super Buu, Amazing

@Deathmare235

2 жыл бұрын

The anime one was the one who fought buutenks

@__-lu3xy

2 жыл бұрын

@@Deathmare235 Nappa*

@Deathmare235

2 жыл бұрын

@@__-lu3xy he wasn’t meant to be wrecking the villains not back then

@j04370859

2 жыл бұрын

@@Deathmare235 Huh?

@jesuszeus6788

Жыл бұрын

@@j04370859 a 5 year old boy isn't meant to be wrecking villains, but gohans age against buu and buutenks, that's when he was supposed to kick ass

I really like this because Kefla should be really strong given the legendary part of the fusion and at the same time, Gohan would be stronger than Goku but hasn't kept up with training so it pays respect to both of them.

@thatboychris9990

3 жыл бұрын

Legendary Super Saiyan isn’t a real thing is it? I thought that was just the old Broly movie that did that. Cuz in the DBS Broly movie the green hair is called “full power super saiyan” but idrk

@Boltz4

2 жыл бұрын

@@thatboychris9990 DBS manga say Kale is a legendary saiyan, born once in 1000 years

@TayyabKhan-hh6kx

2 жыл бұрын

Nah. Shes no legendary. People who don't read the manga will confuse this iteration of Kafla. The one shown here is a union of caulifla and kale. Shes not a legendary saiyan. As pointed out by Cabba, shes a "demon" saiyan. Demon saiyans will ultimately die due to exhaustion. And as pointed out by Vegeta, her moves are really slow and it's really easy to tackle her once you get the hang of it. Plus, this gohan had been training under Piccolo before the whole "Goku getting the ToP announced". So yeah, this Kafka is different and weaker (but very accurate in power levels). So yeah, that's that. Finally, even the author didnt want her to be disgustingly strong as shown in the anime. And adds another reason why I prefer the manga.

@Boltz4

2 жыл бұрын

@@TayyabKhan-hh6kx she is called legendary on the manga, but the whole "legendary" and "demon" thing is mostly because these types of Saiyajins are very rare, they are just mutants like King Vegeta said about Broly. Anime Gohan was training before ToP too, you can see him training before Champa tournament. And manga Kefla is really weaker but it's because both Caulifla and Kale were already weak before fusing, Kale was even sleeping, and manga Kefla doesn't have Ssj2 like her anime counterpart too

@Deathmare235

2 жыл бұрын

@@thatboychris9990 Broly has different forms since they’re combine with his wrath form which is why his forms are strong but a bit too strong actually I take that back Kale was too weak

Ahhhhh this is the Gohan I want! And I love that Gohan is deciding to go a different route for power. That's dope af to me. I really hope they develop his character more as well in the anime. Give my boi his shine back!

@Raptor727

Жыл бұрын

Gohan beast🙏🔥🔥🔥

@windghost2

Жыл бұрын

@@Raptor727 I call him Beast Gohan.

I like how Gohan in the Manga has his Purple outfit instead of the Goku outfit, i don't know why but it does help to set him apart from his father character-wise.

Gohan and piccolo watching goku ui and kefla fight:its a battle between 2 titans Gohan:your forgetting a 3rd one

I prefer this over the anime version, puts more character into gohan and shows how stronk he is.

@nightarcher55

2 жыл бұрын

Anime only focuses on goku most of the time which is sad, kefla fight should’ve been manga version

@nightarcher55

2 жыл бұрын

Anime only focuses on goku most of the time which is sad, kefla fight should’ve been manga version

@helpfulreaper7684

2 жыл бұрын

@@nightarcher55 you said that twice but i respect what you said

@olpkirhefwjrjrgd2090

2 жыл бұрын

@@nightarcher55 they left this because anime came before this chapter was released

@jasonone8726

2 жыл бұрын

@NightArcher55 Actually, the manga focused less on the side character, than the anime, we got a lot more Gohan, than in the manga lol

After looking at this and thinking about what gohan COULD have done in the anime.. DAMN THEY REALLY SCREWED OUR BOI OVER

I've never hated toei more than I do now they left this out?

@ma_na_gurab

3 жыл бұрын

The anime came way before the manga

@shanks1148

3 жыл бұрын

@@ma_na_gurab after

@ma_na_gurab

3 жыл бұрын

@@shanks1148 na it came before

@shanks1148

3 жыл бұрын

@@ma_na_gurab no the anime was ahead of the manga for a bit thats why they left this out

@lordmins9

3 жыл бұрын

@@shanks1148 So what you're saying is... it came before

this is the GOHAN that we need.

Only thing missing is Gohan’s bang for his hair. Kinda like how the anime gave him the bang back to signify that he had his ultimate strength back.

@jasonone8726

Жыл бұрын

The manga treated it differently. Ultimate was originally back in Z, his base form, not a transformation. The manga stuck to that.

I love how in the beginning Jiren looked at Gohan like “I see u Saiyan, respecting the fight”

Is it just me or the piccolo Gi looks better on Gohan.

@courtneyward7149

2 жыл бұрын

It indeed does, he represents his master

Now this is a much more accurate fight than goku vs kefla

@jasonone8726

Жыл бұрын

Well, not really, since Kale beat down Golden Frieza.

@ness7435

Жыл бұрын

@@jasonone8726 Well to be fair gohan grows exceptionally stronger just from brief fights with people near his level. His potential is ridiculous, he went from barely being able to wear weights to being on par with the gammas who are at least blue level in the span of less than an hour. It makes sense he got so strong in the ToP I think him being kefla level makes a lot of sense.

@cringekiller348

Жыл бұрын

Manga Gohan stomps anime Goku. Cry about it.

@jgferi9980

Жыл бұрын

@@jasonone8726 kale power was killing herself like goku use kaioken again jiren she may get stronger but her body gonna get destroy sooner or later

@jasonone8726

Жыл бұрын

@@jgferi9980 Yeah, I forgot she was losing stamina.

I said this awhile back and I haven't seen anyone mention it, I really feel that in DBZ Toriyama was trying to do something with Half saiyan hybrids that was different than full blood saiyans. Saiyan Hybrids catch onto the transformations way faster and in terms of Gohan he doesn't even need to transform to access the power SSJ1, SSJ2 or above would give him. I feel like Toriyama wanted to give Gohan his own power up's outside of the Saiyan transformations because there was a lot of mentioning in the lore about half blood saiyans. Now we have in the manga Gohan saiying this? that he chooses to evolve as a human and not rely on the saiyan power ups? I feel like the play here is that saiyan hybrids don't need the transformation (or at least Gohan due to his potential) to keep growing and Gohan gets the best of both humans and Saiyans making him better BUT they kinda cut all that off in the Buu Saga for their complaints against Gohan overtaking Goku's spot. Gohan is the 3rd strongest of the bunch, but he could be way stronger if they allowed him to be. They can give Gohan Ultra Balance. Goku has Ultra instinct, Vegeta has Ultra Ego, we know Gohan and his anger, we also know he can be extremely calm and tactical, so why not something in between both OR give him something of his own since Broly and Jiren don't use Ultra anything and were strong as heck against Goku and Vegeta.

@ceaser2124

2 жыл бұрын

Well said,, but I feel like at some point he needs to come to terms with his saiyan half. That's why I'm praying that he'll be the first SSJ4 in DBS.

@mitchjames9350

2 жыл бұрын

Gohan is a prodigy and when he became Ultimate Gohan he unlocked his unlimited power but still had more training etc to really tap into it. Hopefully he gets an arc that really does him justice.

@avatarofdeath

2 жыл бұрын

@@ceaser2124 DBS: Super Hero is probably going to show that gohan has learned how to push the Ultimate state further by enhancing it with his Saiyan blood. Here he is denying that side of him to advance as a human. His next path of growth is to accept he is half human and half saiyan. So his next "transformation" would be pushing the Ultimate/Mystic form beyong just being human, but being what he really is, a hybrid. Think of it like SSJB, if SSJB is the Super Saiyna for of Super Saiyan God, Gohan's new form witll be the Super Saiyan for of Ultimate/Mystic

@leithissoufou4134

2 жыл бұрын

@@avatarofdeath something along the lines of mystic super saiyan ig

@z-chan946

Жыл бұрын

AND YOU W E R E RIGHT COMPLETELY

This is way better than the anime both of them are really strong and perfect training buddy's if gohan starts training again also I was crying and smiling at the end of the fight they both took out each other

Really wish this actually happened, gohan needed more love in the tournament. Gohan and Kefla are awesome

@jasonone8726

Жыл бұрын

This did happen though, it's the manga.

@OMAR-vk9pi

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I thought gohan deserved more moments but I get that they wanted to give Goku time to master UI

God, great chapter. Thank you for putting the music over it, it was very fitting!

Saiyans evolve as they fight.. gohan is already shown to be talented his saiyan power is higher than normal kind of like broly. Vegeta and nappa did state half breeds were talented way back in z. Comparable to genetic mutations even like broly. Little trivia: during that scene with nappa and vegeta they stated that gohan could be a super saiyan and it's the first mention of the phrase super saiyan.

@TyTeaStrings

Жыл бұрын

@@shivam5098 if you read closely, he never said that.

@andreadebernardis4390

Жыл бұрын

however! it's meant differently it was more of a "super Saiyan" a Saiyan stronger than normal what we know now, is a "Super Saiyan", the transformation the difference is clear because of how they write the two in japanese, using two different kanji iirc

@_Tzer

Жыл бұрын

@@andreadebernardis4390 I can't read japanese so sorry for my mistake.

I'd say, this is a more realistic fight. I think anime Kelfa was buffed way too much. There's no way 2 fused Saiyans who just transformed could match up to UI Goku that fast.

@jasonone8726

2 жыл бұрын

She didn't match up to UI Goku.

@cringekiller348

2 жыл бұрын

Manga gohan shits on anime and manga goku. Cope harder

@TradFalange

2 жыл бұрын

@@cringekiller348 Cap.

@ayushkumarjha9921

Жыл бұрын

@@jasonone8726 but the point is she shouldn't be more powerful than SSG let alone stronger than SSB kaioken no matter how drained goku was.

@shivam5098

Жыл бұрын

@@cringekiller348 keep crying lol

This was so amazing.. Finally my Boy shined 😇😇

Thanks for the Support, I hope you like the Battle in between Gohan and Kefla 😎

@mycrazyhuskycalledluna1291

3 жыл бұрын

i didnt know kefla fought gohan at the tournament of power, wow the manga is very different than the anime version,,,

@cinemanimetheories3040

3 жыл бұрын

@@mycrazyhuskycalledluna1291 yeah the manga always have a different twist from the anime

@PureGamingpro

3 жыл бұрын

Amazing bro

@PureGamingpro

3 жыл бұрын

I hope your good brother

@karmasgodly390

3 жыл бұрын

I mean it’s cool and all but I just don’t see how Kefla could struggle and lose against GOHAN of all ppl

The fact this was mostly off panel after like 2 chapters of Kale's rampage and setting up Kefla was a crime.

@gb1421

Жыл бұрын

Yep

gohan is a bad ass

@cinemanimetheories3040

3 жыл бұрын

I love the how they did with gohan on the manga

I don’t think the anime had the part where Champa actually told Kale and Caulifla they did well. Super unfortunate considering how much it shows his character to have changed.

@cryoflame

3 жыл бұрын

I mean manga is different from the anime I mean goku had mui a whole different way ti

@Deathmare235

2 жыл бұрын

@@cryoflame how did he get mui

@_Tzer

2 жыл бұрын

@@Deathmare235 after roshi got eliminated by him showing "how to move" he seemed slightly depressed and he realised to reflect on everything every master had taught him.. that is how he got ultra instinct. not some spirit bomb that should have been bounced back.

@jasonone8726

Жыл бұрын

And the manga didn't have the part, where Beerus compliments his team, after their loss lol

I love how even Goku is surprised

Kefla: "Ready to end it?" Kefla: "I really feel like dying today."

I have read this part in manga so many times wish this is how it was even in anime, Gohan needed a moment like this in anime

I think Gohan’s potential mostly comes because there’s power humans have in DB that we haven’t understood yet. Something drawn out from his human side that humans don’t know they have that maybe shown because he has Saiyan DNA.

It really does summarize how strong Potential Unleashed really is (or was he in base form??) and it makes Super Hero seem a lot more legit seeing as it kinda blends the continuities of both the anime and the manga in some ways

In the anime Gohan wears like Goku but in the manga he wears like his father.

@cinemanimetheories3040

3 жыл бұрын

Piccolo is gohan real father 😌

@lukehart7225

3 жыл бұрын

Wears like his father 🤣

@stupidboy9944

3 жыл бұрын

Repeat that 2000 more times. Maybe then it'll be funny.

@edgiest-edgelord-that-edges

3 жыл бұрын

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@gokublack7597

3 жыл бұрын

@@edgiest-edgelord-that-edges u actually did lmao

This was a good fight

@cinemanimetheories3040

3 жыл бұрын

It was indeed

@PureGamingpro

3 жыл бұрын

When did this happen though? Gohan fight kefla?

@kiliki1124

3 жыл бұрын

@@PureGamingpro yeah at the TOP, but only on the manga not on anime

@PureGamingpro

3 жыл бұрын

@@kiliki1124 really? So is that version different from the anime and the manga? I didn’t know that

@kiliki1124

3 жыл бұрын

@@PureGamingpro is actually the official manga

Damn as a gohan fan I’m mad they didn’t animate this

@crazydj9739

2 жыл бұрын

I mean they could not do it since the chapter didn't even exist when the anime was still going on

Manga finally did justice to Gohan

Underrated bruh

U don't know Gohan, He is the real deal. If he didn't give up on training he could've been stronger as UI. The writers knew it From the start that's why they made him lame. I'mma real Gohan fan, I'm gonna protect his image ❤️❤️❤️

@H2O_Chi

3 жыл бұрын

He's as strong as the writers need him to be, same with everyone else.

@samwilson4366

3 жыл бұрын

@@H2O_Chi nope, I think he should've been the MC according to DBZ

@chewezx1767

3 жыл бұрын

Realistically speaking, Gohan should’ve been at the very least equal to Goku at the start of DBS. He got nerfed hard because the writers are either too scared or too lazy to write him in the story.

@smoothwiththegroove1

2 жыл бұрын

@@chewezx1767 yeah they need to stop playing and let him fight along side kakarot and vegetables

It’s sucks how off screen this fight was but hey at least gohan got some shine.

1:34 Gohan taking full advantage being too handsome

I really love gohan said I don’t need transformations to be stronger, he is doing it as a human was awesome 🤩

@jasonone8726

Жыл бұрын

Because he's fighting in his Ultimate form, which is above SSJ.

1:35 she brapped on him

If you really think about it Gohan surpassed SSJ3 in the Buu Saga far surpassed it if he trained he wouldve been past a god in his own rights

@TayyabKhan-hh6kx

2 жыл бұрын

Well, he was the strongest character in the whole buu even in dbz battle of gods until Goku goes SSG. Plus, he's the only saiyan who can get very strong very fast alongside Broly.

@Iamstupid425

2 жыл бұрын

@@TayyabKhan-hh6kx i mean vegito was folding buu with gohan absorbed so not really

@TayyabKhan-hh6kx

2 жыл бұрын

@@Iamstupid425 *Non-fused character.

@Iamstupid425

2 жыл бұрын

Ok

@nayan.punekar

Жыл бұрын

​@@Iamstupid425 Vegito's a damn fusion.

I still love how in canon everyone notices gohans potential

this is the proper scaling of kefla and i wont hear anything else

@christopher8295

Жыл бұрын

No it's not..... Kale ALONE (so without fusion) was CLAPPING golden frieza and was giving serious trouble to fp ssb goku not to mention she did annihilate 3/4 of the contestant, caulifla by herself was able to somehow hold her own against frieza. By all means gohan should had been atomized, no way he's that much stronger than goku and frieza pliz..... Did u forgot how much stronger vegito is than goku and vegeta in the buu saga ?

@adityasalunkhe1288

6 ай бұрын

​@@christopher8295Gohan was much stronger in the end, as strong as Goku ssjb kk or golden frieza so you are wrong and kefla is as strong as ssj blue kk as well

@Jayfym912

2 ай бұрын

@@christopher8295nope

dbz producer or whoever animate super should take notes on this if toriyama did it that was excellent display of two warriors not worrying about their universe but fight. Why didnt we get this in super

@armandosalazar4622

3 жыл бұрын

‘cause Toriyama gave them a storyboard , and Toei Animation should animate it and add new material to make it longer and thus the tournament of power anime version was made it, besides the manga Toyotaro watched some anime incoherences and decided make his own fights but short, because Toriyama was pressuring him for the time, and basically Those were Toyotaro’s ideas and about why it didn’t happen in the anime that was why Toei Animation had no reference point nor exactly script and They improvised.

@j04370859

2 жыл бұрын

The anime by this point, was ahead of the manga.

This is what should have happened in the anime. Yeah, Goku fighting Kefka in UI Omen was cool. But by the time it came around again it just felt exhausted. They should have gave Gohan his moment. It was cool seeing him team up with Frieza, but this is completely different. This is Gohan on his own going up against Kefla. This is a fight we wanted to see in the ToP!

I like gohan in the manga but still dbs didnt do him dirty as people say he had key moments in dbs too

@TayyabKhan-hh6kx

2 жыл бұрын

Hmmm. I guess. But in case of strength, by boy here was done really dirty.

@Deathmare235

2 жыл бұрын

@@TayyabKhan-hh6kx he defeated the fastest mortal in the multiverse

@cristheblob4020

2 жыл бұрын

@@Deathmare235 he couldn't catch up he had to get friezas barrier and then in the end sacrificed himself just for a win he was done dirty

@MadristaSisam

2 жыл бұрын

@@cristheblob4020 neither could a golden frieza who needed help from a gohan who hasn't gotten any significant transformation since buu saga

@MadristaSisam

2 жыл бұрын

Ya thats true. Especially in the TOP. but before that, they slept on him way too much same with goten and trunks

The music choice when Gohan entered the fray was fucking glorious

Man I'm gonna start reading more Manga! So much better! If they actually made the show like the Manga it wouldn't just be the best, it would be the greatest. 🔥

In all my life I’ve always believed 2 things A.The sky is blue B.Gohan was useless in super But now I finally die knowing he actually did something worth talking about.

@hazzyg11

Жыл бұрын

He went beast mode in the new movie so thats that

Why they didn’t animate this is totally beyond me, Super could’ve really cooked something here

@jasonone8726

6 ай бұрын

The anime was ahead of the manga. The show and manga did very different things with the Trunks and TOP arcs.

Bro the movie just gotta hype my man up some more. LETS GO GOHAN.

I fucking love Gohan's Outfit

Even though we would be missed out on one the most epic Kamehameha finishers since Z, I feel this battle makes much more sense. Gohan's sacrifice here is a far better character development point for him over the elimination of Dyspo. Pride Troopers in their entirely should've been left to Goku, Vegeta, Frieza, and 17.

I think if gohan wants to go thru with this “human evolution” he should train under Roshi as a development in his character at some point going fwd

@rifarira9160

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, imagine he have something like Ultimate Buff form lol. Its like a combination between roshi buff form + Gohan ultimate.

Even though the fight was short, Gohan was given more justice than in the anime. And she lost to Gohan in his BASE form...

@imsusanov2287

9 ай бұрын

That was ultimate, not base form

@Scrappy_ill_fold_ya_Doo

9 ай бұрын

@@imsusanov2287 ultimate form has the bang. Doesn't it?

I like the Goku vs Kefla fight but this would have been better. It would have been a better send off for Gohan than what he got in the anime that's for sure.

When you nerf a character to such an extent that you remove one of its best fights

@j04370859

2 жыл бұрын

This wasn't removed, the anime did this arc first, it was ahead of the manga.

This is the gohan we loved

Toyotaro got more of this old school dragon ball vibe than the story writers of the anime... He also made gohan wear picolo attire. It gives off that bad ass vibe of cell saga. It even tore the same way

Gohan now is Goathan

Whatttttt when did these all come on. Wow did I like fall asleep for a year

@cinemanimetheories3040

3 жыл бұрын

Lol 😂

@cinemanimetheories3040

3 жыл бұрын

You will love the next fight I got in mind

@PureGamingpro

3 жыл бұрын

@@cinemanimetheories3040 nice I’m already loving it

Real gohan which toriyama written.. 🔥🔥

Kefla saying if Gohan can even to SSJ shorty this Ultimate form is comparable to SSJ3 😂

gohan just casually deflects an attack meant to end both goku and jiren

@shivam5098

Жыл бұрын

You really think that attack could've even scratched any of them ??

@adityasalunkhe1288

Жыл бұрын

​@@shivam5098 bruh didn't you see how strong the kale was? Probably won't have affected much to jiren but to Goku it would surely have

@shivam5098

Жыл бұрын

@@adityasalunkhe1288 the same kale that goku easily clapped with just ssj god in anime ?? , took her full force beam head on with 0 damaged WHILE HE WAS ALREADY EXHAUSTED

I beg , bandai please bring this gohan to life in the anime and add him to dokkan battle too

@jasonone8726

Жыл бұрын

Bandai does the games, not the anime.

Imagine a God of Destruction telling u good work out there?! Mad respect from a deity 💯👍🙏

I believe that The Human in Gohan is probably what makes us humans stronger then we know when we drop our restraints and protect the ones we love.

If kefla shot that beam and gohan didn’t interfere jiren would've probably just glared it away

@jasonone8726

Жыл бұрын

Jiren's glare technique, wasn't in the manga, unfortunately.

Honestly its fair that she stands up near Gohan, gohan who’s far stronger than super saiyan 3 but rusty fighting two fused super saiyan 2’s

@jasonone8726

Жыл бұрын

Kefla is obviously stronger than a SSJ3. Caulifla never had SSJ2 in the manga and Kale had it in neither version.

@alexshawman

10 ай бұрын

​@@jasonone8726yeah she also doesn't have the insane statements

Why didn’t they do this in the anime my God what better writing in the manga than the animation 👏🏽 I’d rewatch the fight with goku and kale and yes it was dope but for character development for Gohan to eliminate U6 that justifies how much stronger he’s gotten and how more serious his training has gotten until we get to Super Hero

@jasonone8726

11 ай бұрын

The anime was ahead of the manga.

@metalchu

11 ай бұрын

@@jasonone8726 explains a lot

The nerve of Kefla, who only learned about super Saiyan like weeks before, asking Gohan if he can even transform… The man reached super Saiyan level 2 when he was like 10!

@jasonone8726

Жыл бұрын

How was she supposed to know that? 😂

This is the Kefla and the gohan that the anime needed, using powerscaling kefla should be at most ssbkx2 and not ultra instinct level, as for gohan, well it’s pretty obvious that he’s much better in the manga

@jasonone8726

Жыл бұрын

Kefla isn't UI level though.

@DarthKamui

Жыл бұрын

@@jasonone8726 When she fought Goku, she was in the same "realm" of power as UI Sign Goku, and when she, "...awakened a rather unpleasant power in her," her ki attacks could kill UI Sign Goku in one hit.

@DarthKamui

Жыл бұрын

They write for the story, not the scaling.

@jasonone8726

Жыл бұрын

@@DarthKamui She couldn't even touch him, she was completely losing, the only thing she did was nearly graze Goku with her attack, that's it. Hurting someone, doesn't mean you're on the same level as them. We've seen plenty of times, when weaker characters can harm much stronger one's.

@DarthKamui

Жыл бұрын

@@jasonone8726 Goku was automatically dodging Kefla's attacks, so of course she can't touch him. Super Saiyan 2 Kefla didn't seem exactly equal to UI Sign Goku, but she was portrayed as having comparable and impressive power, and her red-colored awakened state's ki attacks were stated to be able to kill Goku if they hit him.

The disrespect hogan gave kefla just by not transforming is just too good

@len7667

3 жыл бұрын

hes already in his ultimate form

@drjonesey5

2 жыл бұрын

He doesn't have to anymore. Since the end of DBZ he's not had to transform. They made him use SSJ for the Freiza movie because he was supposedly rusty but it still doesn't make any sense because it's not a form. Gohans potential is unlocked so it seems he doesn't need forms anymore to access the power the form would give him. All he needs is the training to be able to reach higher power or in another way of saying expand the power he could access.

@j04370859

2 жыл бұрын

@@drjonesey5 Toyotaro seems to of stuck to what it was supposed to be, than what Toriyama has made it lol

I love the ultra instinct fight but this is the one that should have been in the anime

For those who don't understand, yes, Gohan was in his Ultimate form as he says there's no need for turning Super Saiyan anymore plus Gohan's are fully outlined, which is supposed to be an indication of Gohan being in his Ultimate form, but _Dragon Ball GT,_ the _Dragon Ball Super_ TV anime, and a few other series have been inconsistent on that part as base Gohan's eyes are drawn as if he was using his Ultimate form. I appreciate this issue being corrected in _Dragon Ball Super: Super Hero._ Anyway, Gohan is telling Kefla that he doesn't go Super Saiyan anymore and actually doesn't need to anyway because he has already chosen to go a different route of evolution and sought his own path. This route of evolution different from what Saiyans can naturally do is Gohan's Ultimate form. His Ultimate form draws out the entirety of his potential while the Super Saiyan forms only draw out portions of it. With all of his potential and more drawn out, there's nothing left for the Super Saiyan forms to tap into, so they wouldn't offer any boost.

@jasonone8726

Жыл бұрын

What's kinda confusing is if his Ultimate is a transformation or his permanent state in the manga, like the anime and movies have made it.

@DarthKamui

Жыл бұрын

@@jasonone8726 In the original manga and _Dragon Ball Z_ TV series, Ultimate Gohan is a transformation as Goku and Piccolo both indicate there were physical changes to Gohan and that, according to Piccolo, the type of ki Gohan had was different, just like how Super Saiyans have a type of ki than regular Saiyans (or base-form Saiyans). In the original manga and _Dragon Ball Z_ TV series, Gohan's Ultimate form was a permanent state because the physical changes that manifested after he triggered the power-up remained with him even in moments/scenes where he had no reason to be in a transformed state, such as after the group had all gathered at Kami's Temple following the defeat of Kid Buu and then ten years later during (and the day before) the 28th Tenka'ichi Budōkai. In _Dragon Ball Z_ movies 13 and 14, the _Dragon Ball Super_ television series, the _Dragon Ball Super: Super Hero_ movie, and _Dragon Ball GT,_ Ultimate Gohan is no longer a permanent state and just another transformation Gohan could switch on and off (like Super Saiyan of course). Heck, in _GT,_ there was no Ultimate Gohan despite Gohan's eyes being fully outlined in his base form like in his Ultimate form.

@VITAS874

Жыл бұрын

This not ultimate it's bs.

@jasonone8726

Жыл бұрын

@@VITAS874 It it his Ultimate.

@saiyanfang1047

Жыл бұрын

​@@DarthKamui Nope they both mentioned that there is no transformation and it is explicitly stated to not be one. The thing that shocks them is the pure power Gohan has.

Kefla at a more realistic power level... i like

Look, I loved seeing Goku style all over Kefla with UI...BUT THIS IS JUST PERFECT DUDE! Like, this does Gohan soooo much justice.

The glaire that Gohan gives 🔥

Kefla's character was done better in the manga. Agreed?

@MSKS-jl2qk

3 жыл бұрын

No.

@ankitjaiswal8518

3 жыл бұрын

Yes

@Boltz4

2 жыл бұрын

The same? But i prefer anime Caulifla and Kale

@j04370859

2 жыл бұрын

@@Boltz4 Caulifla was too overpowered in the anime, Kale at least in the manga, knew how to fight in base form and her berzerk design, wasn't a complete Broly rip off.

@chuviis3508

2 жыл бұрын

Yup agreed, hell Kale is bazillions of times better than her shitty anime counterpart

Wuaooo coño eso sí está bueno.

Manga gohan makes so much sense to why anime gohan is Strong if that makes sense

@jasonone8726

7 ай бұрын

Why's that?

This is the gohan we wanted on super tournament Cell&Buu Fight Throwback

@jasonone8726

Жыл бұрын

We got it though, this is TOP, just a different version.

Anyone here after the new form Gohan has 👀

@chuviis3508

2 жыл бұрын

Y know it fam

This is the Gohan we should of got in the Anime, same as Master Roshi. They really do take to much unnecessary liberties in the anime.

@jasonone8726

Жыл бұрын

Roshi was still great in the anime though, many people would've whined, about him taking on Jiren, even more than the manga.

This fight makes more sense than kelfa vs. goku, and I know goku was tired and wasn't at his best in the anime, but there is still no way kelfa should've been as strong as ssg and especially not as strong as ssb goku.

I loved Gokus fight with Kefla in the anime but this would’ve been amazing animated

Did Gohan actually make me proud with that entrance? Wait wtf he actually acted like a saiyan

@DigitalWraith

2 жыл бұрын

Not a Saiyan, but a warrior all the same. A Saiyan would drag-out the fight to get as much enjoyment out of it as possible.

@justacoolguy336

2 жыл бұрын

@@DigitalWraith well Gohan dragged the fight out with cell so if u were trying to say Gohan straight kills his opponent you couldn't be more wrong. In dbz when a character reaches a new super saiyan form they were almost arrogant and their saiyan traits shined brighter. Goku in ssj Gohan ssj2 and goku ssj3 were all arrogant. Even ultimate Gohan or mystic was beyond arrogant and cost him the fight. What I meant by Gohan showing saiyan traits was the fact he stepped up to battle an opponent his lvl or stronger. Gohan has basically always been in position by some asspull that he is stronger than the villain. With raditz garlic Jr and cell. It was never saiyan traits but human traits of emotion that made him stronger but since dbz shined in the 90s when all shows wanted to make hybrids so strong (i.e Yusuke in yuyuhakusho or inuyasha) Gohan benefited from just common Shonen trend. Gohan was an asspull character that was gifted power ups. Sorry for the rant lol

@DigitalWraith

2 жыл бұрын

@@justacoolguy336 In Cell's case, he wasn't dragging out the fight to enjoy the battle, like a Saiyan. He was dragging out the fight just to make Cell suffer. As for his fight with Boo, he was just being arrogant. He wasn't fighting out of enjoyment like Goku would. Looking at how Gohan kept taunting him, it's clear he just wanted to upset Boo. Gohan stepping up to battle someone as strong or stronger isn't a Saiyan trait. It is a warrior's trait. All the earthlings have been seen doing the same thing. The same goes for Piccolo. You're wrong again. Gohan getting stronger with rage isn't an earthling trait. It is due to his Saiyan/Earthling blend that allows his power to grow based on his rage. No earthling has this trait. Also, Saiyans fall under the category of humans. They just aren't earthlings.

@justacoolguy336

2 жыл бұрын

@@DigitalWraith no Gohan dragged that cell fight out for his enjoyment. He wanted to make cell suffer? For killing the andriod? Lol Gohan was enjoying the fact he was stronger even after goku told him to kill cell he just smiled it off practically scaring even goku how he was acting lol thats not someone who just wants to make cell suffer. The buu fight he even let the kids get a chance because he was so sure of his power almost like vegeta when he let cell go find 18 that was the confidence that oozed out of him thats a saiyan trait fool. You're talking about warrior trait but that's obviously comes from a saiyan. Piccolo didn't run up on buu or friezas final form or cell so wtf are u talking about warrior traits? You're lost. 😆

@DigitalWraith

2 жыл бұрын

@@justacoolguy336 Really? Then why did Gohan specify say that he wants to make Cell suffer for what he did? His statements contradict your views. And yes, he wanted Cell to suffer for killing an Android. That was the trigger for his Super Saiyan 2 transformation. Seems you are the lost one. The example you just provided with Gohan letting Gotenks fight Boo is yet again, an example of him being arrogant. It also contradicts your assumption that he was fighting for the enjoyment. Because if that was the case, Gohan would have argued with Gotenks over who gets to fight Boo. Instead, he was being cocky. Likely thinking that if Gotenks fails, he'll just finish Boo off himself. If Gohan knew Boo could absorb people, he never would have let Gotenks fight. Gohan's situation was nothing like Vegeta letting Cell absorb 18. You must be trolling. Actually Piccolo did fight Freeza's final form. The earthlings showed up to fight the Androids too. Also did you forget that Krillen tried to fight Boo on the Lookout? Have you've never watched Dragon Ball? The earthlings have always gone up against fighters as strong or stronger. Even the Saiyan arc shows them doing this. You are so confused, it's hilarious. 😂

1:35 is what most ppl came for

@cinemanimetheories3040

3 жыл бұрын

😂

@1dayago843

3 жыл бұрын

b r a p

Whenever I see the Dragonball Manga, I remember that Toei and Toyo don’t know what they’re doing when it comes to anime, and Toriyama is the only one of them that does LMAO

@jasonone8726

Жыл бұрын

Toriyama is the one who supervises the manga, and this makes sense here.

Wow so long n it’s my first time seeing this realizing the manga made more sense

The anime robbed us of this greatness

@j04370859

2 жыл бұрын

The anime version, came out before this.

@Cay9z

2 жыл бұрын

Dbs is a bunch of crap

@j04370859

2 жыл бұрын

@@Cay9z Why are you on here then?

@Cay9z

2 жыл бұрын

@@j04370859 Thats like asking a Nba fan to leave the internet because he hates the fact that the nba is soft

@j04370859

2 жыл бұрын

@@Cay9z That comparison, makes no sense at all bro, not liking the nba, doesn't mean staying off the Internet, there's other things to do on the Internet, just don't watch it. I obviously meant, why are you on this video? Not the Internet lol