🤯 Thanks for the video!

Great SBS. Interesting to see LR AI Fuji raw treatments for H2/T5 and CO. Appreciate your worm dissection.

I shoot wildlife mostly, and deer especially worm-out badly in LR so I got C1 but eventually sold the Fuj. I just discovered you're channel. Subscribed.

Overall a very good video and comparison between apps, cameras, and images etc. Only criticism I will add is if you are doing these types of videos in future you need to zoom in more than 100% because even at 4K the KZread compression is destroying the details making it difficult to see the results.

Nice to see you are still raising hell Gavin. Great review

@Seimstudios

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Philip

Muito bom, toma o meu like e a minha inscrição!

Wow amazing video thanks. I do have a question how would you compare dxo pureraw compared to Lightroom?

@Seimstudios

5 ай бұрын

Have not done a side my side. Hopefully this year. But t he other apps do have a lard time keeping up with Adobe sadly. We do need the competition.

@johnrpittenger

5 ай бұрын

@@Seimstudios when you do the comparison please try to use dxo to process the raw Fuji files in side of Lightroom then do the editing in lightroom. That's what I am most curious about. Thanks again

Switched to a Fuji X-T5 recently und was thinking about getting Capture 1 because of the alleged worm issues of Lightroom even if I am very familiar with Lightroom but this video changed my view. I will stick to Lightroom. Thanks for for this video!

@Seimstudios

Жыл бұрын

Glad it helped

I’m considering the switch from Canon to Fujifilm right now and one of my photography friends really thinks C1 is the way to go, but the last thing I wanna do is learn another software interface. I’m pretty happy with Lightroom. Great review thank you!!

@Seimstudios

11 ай бұрын

Years ago maybe. There is zero reason to switch to C1 for Fuji in 2023. Your friend is behind the times.

Hello, I tried using the free capture one for fuji but I'm stuck. I can't seem to export my edited files into photoshop or even saving a tiff file onto my hard drive. So this problem is putting me off using C1. Any advise please from you or your viewers would be very very helpful. Thanks a lot.

Great review, Gav. You can definitely see how each RAW processor initially handles the photo with some subtle differences in contrast and color rendition as well. At least to my eye. But I never paid attention to the sharpness/luminance noise baseline settings and how they differ from Lr to C1. Thanks for pointing that out.

@Seimstudios

Жыл бұрын

Ya they actually handle noise baselines a lot different so it's worth looking at. Thanks for watching

It's refreshing to see videos like this--nuances that are generally not covered by most photographers. Videos like this help (me at least) finesse things a bit and refine my style. Great job!

@Seimstudios

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Kenneth

I on use LR for cataloguing. I use Affinity for editing. The worm issue is a pain for wildlife photographers.

@Seimstudios

2 ай бұрын

The worms are no longer worse in Lightroom.

Great video, thanks for explaining it in so great detail! I've been using Capture One of the past few years but have been considering a while now to gradually switch to Lightroom again. Let's see if the Worms catch me 😱

@Seimstudios

Жыл бұрын

Thanks, no need to worry about worms in 2023. Both handle them just fine

I use both apps now, started using Capture One because of Fuji RAF files, and it does the sharpening better, at least it did better when I test it last time two years ago. But, Capture One is so much slower on 5K iMac, it has 1 second latency for anything I touch, also it blur the image by lowering the resolution as soon as I touch the sliders, which is not very nice, but it still does not help with the performance. Capture One maybe has better sharpening for Fuji files, however the noise is full of some splotchiness, Lightroom really looks better just as you said. I could go back to Lightroom if it works properly now, I need to test it myself, thanks for the video.

@Seimstudios

9 ай бұрын

As of my current testing it does nothing better. If anything LR is better all around now, specially in NR. No need for extra steps.

@BojanBojovic

9 ай бұрын

@@Seimstudios Just tested it, practically nothing changed in how LR sharpening and NR works with RAF files, but just as you said it happens with Sony and Nikon files as well, just it is not as noticeable. But really, the only problem is still the foliage and not always so LR is very usable most of the time. In the end this is all nonsense, photography is somewhere else, this 400% pixel peeping is really not realistic.

@RobertVanderStelt

4 ай бұрын

You need to be doing better tests. In this video you were looking for “worms” and sharpening noise in the wrong spots. Lightroom still struggles with foliage, bark, grass, trees. Capture One is still far superior sadly. You saying LR is better all around looses a lot of credibility.

@BojanBojovic

4 ай бұрын

@@RobertVanderStelt Lightroom still struggles in areas you mentioned, however Capture One struggles in others so in the end it is just about the right set of compromises for you personally. Lightroom has much better performance at least on 5K display, colours are subjective but for me personally I do not like the reddish skin in Capture One, also how pulling the shadows and highlights in Capture One looks although you can pull much more than in Lightroom. Sharpening and masking is better in Capture One as it does not create worms, but not perfect at all as it creates other artefacts. I also can not forget the worms once I see them, however when comparing A to B LR and CO side by side, the difference is very small objectively, and visible only then previewing 200 percent or more.

This is interesting, I'd like to know why Adobe aren't shouting from the roof tops if they've deliberately improved how Lr handles RAF files. There must be many fuji shooters who (like myself) moved from Adobe to C1 in order to get the best quality from fuji files and would consider going back.

@Seimstudios

Жыл бұрын

Because Adobe does not need to. They are advancing fast faster than C1 in every area and the worms things has been mostly fanboy hype for years.

Great video, Gavin! I’m a longtime C1 user because of the alleged Fuji worms issue but now feel like I have more flexibility. Thank you!

@Seimstudios

Жыл бұрын

Totally Matt, use what you like but there is no real worm issue that I've found after years of looking and testing

IDK how can you compare ON1 and LR when you even can't get colors and contrast equally? I see this huge difference even on my 10" tablet ) We can't see the actual difference if you can't match this up properly (before comparing sharpen and denoise algorithms).

@Seimstudios

4 ай бұрын

Um this video is not about OnOne. Also you really should not be doing color comparisons on you tablet lol.

@KiR_3d

4 ай бұрын

@@Seimstudios oh yeah, I've messed with the name )) but if a tablet shows a really noticable difference (in this video) then what will be different rather than a good monitor probably will show the difference even more?

Use ACR Camera raw - turn sharpening to zero... then edit in Photoshop and use the sharpening Unsharp mask... no worms at all, fantastic colours, beautiful files. The LR subscription includes LR, ACR, PS, Bridge £9.98 month just incredible value.

I agree, worms aren't really an issue. The thing I consistently notice is that lightroom makes foliage from fuji files look really bad. However it's basically 100% resolved by doing enhanced details. And then when you factor in the LR denoise that's included in enhanced details now, the results are way way better than what comes out of C1. It's great as long as you don't mind the larger file size.

@robinbollens2276

10 ай бұрын

I process my fuji files with iridient x transformer. has an easy plugin for lightroom. It really is designed to pull nice detail out of the fuji files. I use that mainly for sharpening as it does a very nice job

@DarioCanadaPhotography

7 ай бұрын

Exactly!!! This is what I get and it look horrible! Don't know what worms we're seeing in this video but it's not what I see in my files. I sometimes wonder how the sensor ia so praised, being so bad! Even M43 looks better, in both softwares!

@DarioCanadaPhotography

7 ай бұрын

At some point you have to ask your: How many softwares you have to use to "clean" up the files before admitting that the sensor is the problem. We shouldn't have to go through all the trouble...

@rjbiii

7 ай бұрын

@@DarioCanadaPhotography But you can use either LR or C1 and get great results. Lightroom doesn't look as good by default, but you can just click denoise/raw details and it's perfect. Or you can use C1 and all you really lose is AI denoise, which 95% of the time you don't even need.

@halfalligator6518

6 ай бұрын

@@DarioCanadaPhotography Not sure that's the way to look at it.... sensor raw data will always have their quirks which is why Fuji probably accounts for them with in-body JPEG's. RAW editors also do their own automatic "fixing" or "interpretation" of what it thinks the raw data should look like. Basically it could be a shoddy sensor... but it could also be the RAW editor devs and designers don't care to support every sensor equally.

All of this involves pixel peeping lol. when doing professional portraits, no customer is going to be getting the raw file and pixel peep the pictures to even be able to see the things we are able to see on c1 or LR. I just started out doing photography and decided to use c1 for its simplicity and the differences aren’t major enough for me to break a sweat over choosing one over the other. Who knows, maybe I’ll subscribe to LR next time for a yearly subscription 🤷🏼‍♂️

The issue is only mended with newer x-trans sensors. I have the x100t and can still not use lightroom, even though I would much prefer to. The files look absolutely atrocious and are obviously unusable. Its far from a pixel peeping thing, you would think the sensor is defective if you didnt know better, but in C1 the same pictures render completely fine.

@Seimstudios

Ай бұрын

I also tested on older X trans files. X100T files load perfectly and are very clean. Not sure what LR version you're using but you need to update. I just went and tested an X100T and S files to to confirm and I've also testes older ones all the way back to first gen.

@portratratra

Ай бұрын

@@Seimstudios Did you test a picture in non-flat lighting with layers of foliage in the background, like a forest scene or a park in the summer? City scenes, architecture, and urban portrait photography works just fine, like it always did. Lightroom is up to date and when I really do need it I use the enhance feature and then export in low resolution. I wouldnt dream of printing, though.

Foliage even using lr denoise etc still looks crap,Ai enhance etc gives better result but still not as clean as C1

As an x-trans user for many years, ACR still has difficulty with worms in magenta hues.

@Seimstudios

6 ай бұрын

Also an X trans users for years and doing side by side testing. Lightroom is actually better than C1 at noise now

Many of the worm complaints about Fujifilm files in Lightroom is about the handling of out of focus greens; particularly in foliage. What have you found for differences between Lightroom and Capture one in that regard?

@Seimstudios

Жыл бұрын

IN no area have I found C1 to be better anymore. In fact LR is probably better overall.

What do you think. This is my most definitive test. Solve your worms in Fuji or any other file. Yes other cameras also get worms.

The monkey looks so much more detailed in Capture one even with the noise reduction they apply by default. For me that was by far the biggest difference I saw, but I believe Capture one outperformed LR here significantly.

@Seimstudios

5 ай бұрын

Lightroom now outperforms C One in noise also. We'll cover it in the 2024 review. But in the end use what inspires you.

Unfortunately, when you apply noise reduction in LR, the detail disappears, see what happens to the chain around this lady's neck in LR and in C1 ... DETAIL IN C1 is preserved and in LR it disappears ;)

@Seimstudios

Жыл бұрын

They are equal in this respect from my testing using the noise sliders. It's just a question of NR cs sharpening.. But now the new Ai Noise reduction in LR is miles ahead of C1. It's really no longer a contest at this stage but maybe I should do a video.

@WiesawWiesaw-gg3zc

Жыл бұрын

@@Seimstudios let's go ;D

why does the video look so shoppy?

The problem is with the Lr noise reduction You'll also lose a lot of details also on all the parts of the images that do not need it.. in capture one you have no worms effect in that areas that suffer it the most and in the same time mantein very crispy sharpnes in all the others details, and this its not possibile in Lr with the X-trans files. If You want to use it anyway with fuji files you know from the start that have to accept compromise..

@Seimstudios

Жыл бұрын

Not anymore. In every area LR can do better Nouse reduction than C1 on Xtrans.

@giuseppethesantis

Жыл бұрын

@@Seimstudios .. Onestly i still see a lot of difference.. i tried this afternoon to download a raf file from an xt3, an ambient portait in nature at 400iso and in lightroom was something terrible.. even in the face skin of the subject seems full of these worms (i use lighroom 12.2)..

Light room needs a fix. 😢

The texture in the tree next to the monkey is completely different in their rendition! You are concentrating in the "noise" but yoy are not looking at the texture! It happens in foliage, trees, rocks, etc! Things look "muddy" and "mushy" with no detail!

@Seimstudios

7 ай бұрын

I focusing on overall results and doing objective comparison and they are equal or perhaps LR is a little better. Though LR is now way ahead with it's Ai noise tool.

A very important aspect on why people, including me, prefer C1. Detail, In C1 you will get more detail on the photographs in particular when using landscapes. Also specially if you start to use sharpen. At least that's my experience. I didn't see any tests with sharpen, but when you start to use it, thats when the worms effect on LR starts to be much more visible. Where LR may be better is with enhance.

@Seimstudios

7 ай бұрын

But you don't. We just showed that C1 is not better. In the past perhaps. Not LR is even better than C1 when you count the Ai noise reduction. But even with base tools, C1 does not come out on top in our tests here.

Naww C1 fangirls are crying and they're not even interested in defending it that because it's the truth....Sony and Fuji conned them Lol

I am going to find you and your kids in Mexico and it won’t end well you have 13 days

@Seimstudios

Жыл бұрын

Darnit, it sucks when you're just a teenager and don't know you just publicly committed a serious crime in multiple countries because you think resident Evil is real life. What's worse is they don't allow PlayStation in prison.