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@Scott_Inksmith

2 жыл бұрын

You were one of the channels that inspired my to start my own downfall channel. Thanks for doing this vid. I never thought one of my biggest inspirations would cover a topic I also covered so thoroughly on my own channel. Amazing quality as always my dude.

@JBrodo

2 жыл бұрын

Just started, going to try not to write multiple comments, but oOoOO the editing! Liking it!

@askerror1987

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Joon, Shannon's sibling actually goes by they/them pronouns. I know you probably can't edit the video, but I thought you would want to know Beyond that this is an incredibly well-organized video and I was glad to see a full documentation of who Shannon is and what she did, I actually used to avidly watch her videos. When I saw the transphobic lolcow posts it felt like a punch in the gut, and only got worse when Emily came out with her video :

@j.goggels9115

2 жыл бұрын

This video will go crazy viral.

@ShamSoap

2 жыл бұрын

Is it me or your video about DSP isnt there anymore?

"I am no fraud, stalker or liar. To prove my point, here's a 2hour, detailed description of this person's life from 15 years ago up to now. BTW, it's silly to assume I stalked her." This will never not be hilarious to me

@Ramsey276one

2 жыл бұрын

BRILLIANT XD

@KingOfGaymes

2 жыл бұрын

IT FEELS COMICAL LIKE HOW IS THIS TRUE

@oldschoolninamain9138

2 жыл бұрын

Lmfao

@soulmechanics7946

2 жыл бұрын

Right. I don't like the drudging up drama channels, but they are necessary in certain cases.

@AH-ph3cb

Жыл бұрын

What's even better, is that her sock accounts obsessively say "Creepshow Art is copying you." All that effort to NOT have the foresight to mix in other youtubers. How are you gonna go anonymous and out yourself on several socks. Gee I wonder who it could be 🤦‍♀️

Still can't believe she came out with a Google doc and a video at the end of 2021 and tried to debunk that she didn't stalk Emily by putting an entire timeline of Emily's Deviant art history and having pictures of her when she was 13 years old. 🤐

@mechanomics2649

2 жыл бұрын

I hadn't heard about this lmao Comedy gold.

@TeamFriendship8600

2 жыл бұрын

She just needs to accept that what she did was terrible and get off the internet. It's beyond pitiful that she thinks she can salvage her reputation at this point.

@warlis4767

2 жыл бұрын

This is not shooting herself at the foot, this is blowing her entire leg with a bazooka XD When I 1st saw this, I was dumbfounded and still to this day ask how she thought that this 2 hour video she made was going to debunk the claims against her while instead she's proving the things that were said against her to be true XD

@novaangle2183

2 жыл бұрын

@@warlis4767 She lives in a reality where knowing in detail things about someone for 10 years and documenting it like a crazy person is normal. She thinks it's so normal and everyone else does it. That's how deep she is in stalking mindset it's scary.

@warlis4767

2 жыл бұрын

@@novaangle2183 Yeah, she's literally stupid. Like literally literally. She doesn't even have the same severe case of chris chan, not even 10%. She's an entirely different story. A pathological liar too, where she probably thinks it's true even though it's 100% obvious that it's a lie. It's crazy.

"When Emily eats food, she sustains her physical existence so she doesn't die, this just reveals how she tries to take life away from others. How do I know this? I figured it out while sitting in a tree on her family's lawn and studying Emily with binoculars."

@Heavysscreams

2 жыл бұрын

Lmfao excellent post

@misfit1nx865

2 жыл бұрын

Im fking cackling dood😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣💀💀💀💀💀

@koppsr

2 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣👍👍👍👍👍👍

@mcstarrrrr

2 жыл бұрын

this is still more believable than shannon’s actual evidence

@mollylollipops

2 жыл бұрын

😹😹😹

Can’t thank you enough for showing her face. Can’t stand when people use Emily’s face but use a drawing for Shannon

@SapphicSis

2 жыл бұрын

i’m not understanding the difference. who is who?

@MYLAR.

2 жыл бұрын

@@SapphicSis Emily (Emily Artful) is the one who was stalked by Shannon (Creepshow Art)

@ariahjames4340

2 жыл бұрын

@Jack Roosevelt That's probably because Shannon doesn't show her face often so they don't have a reference.

@mochabearry

2 жыл бұрын

@@ariahjames4340 But she's shown it.

@ariahjames4340

2 жыл бұрын

@@mochabearry She has, but not often. Most people will recognize her with the drawings

I just think it's funny how Shannon's follow up doc is like, "she's lying!! Here's her cringey middle school DeviantArt as proof!!"

@morganqorishchi8181

2 жыл бұрын

Imagine trying to prove you weren't stalking someone by showing people stuff they did in middle school. I've been stalked and even my stalker doesn't have that kind of info on me!

@MajorOctofuss

2 жыл бұрын

The best one: emily couldnt have done drugs because she once tweeted that she was against drugs. Like ??????? Does she really think this is how the world works girl please go outside

@TheEtherny

2 жыл бұрын

I'm not a stalker! Let me show you some real stalking so you believe me!

@notgreatgale

2 жыл бұрын

@@MajorOctofuss she doesn't- her statement is classic DARVO tactics. in short she knows she's been caught, and she's trying to redirect as much of the fallout towards her victim as possible. luckily, it's failed miserably :)

@Ruosteinenknight

2 жыл бұрын

That video has probably the most epic dislike/ratio I've seen: 80 times more dislikes than likes(last I checked, few months ago). One youtube comment said it probably the best, Shannon's video is basically so self-incriminating that it comes off as "If I did it" by O.J Simpson. She by accident admitted to some things Emily never brought up.

Every time I see a photo of her, I’m reminded that she’s like almost 30 and not an angsty teen like she tries to come across in her vids..

@BombayBerke

2 жыл бұрын

Which is just…really pathetic when you sit down and think about it. She said she wasn’t the most popular girl in high school, and yeah, it’s pretty obvious why.

@AleksandarBell

2 жыл бұрын

I always thought she was like 19-20 not 30 wow.

@hello-wl7pk

2 жыл бұрын

i always thought she was a teenager 😭

@strudelh

2 жыл бұрын

right I keep on thinking she's at least in her early 20s and not pushing 30, geez 😭

@Nopenopenope6969

2 жыл бұрын

@@BombayBerke I was heavily bullied in high school, because I was being abused at home and behaved oddly while trying to hide it and function normally. Not all unpopular people (in high school or otherwise) are in that position because it is "deserved". Some people lack social skills and coping skills too. Make fun of her for her terrible actions, not things that any random person could relate to.

Emily: Her singing voice didn't sound good. Shannon: *Makes an entire channel solely to ruin Emily's life.*

@jackpaul4489

Жыл бұрын

Just for that is honestly realistic for it just being envy

@DjurrenArt

Жыл бұрын

@@jackpaul4489 Envy ramped up to 11 or even higher.

@origamipein18

Жыл бұрын

That evil (bleep). ):

@reddinosaur2511

Жыл бұрын

@@DjurrenArt ikmik😊l😅li

@oppaieditor

Жыл бұрын

​@@origamipein18just say bitch

My personal theory is this: Anthony was clearly more into stalking Emily than being with Shannon, so she joined him in this act because it gave them something to connect over, and projected her insecurities and rage of Anthony's desire for Emily over her onto Emily instead of facing the prospect of breaking up with Anthony. It probably became an "If we can get rid of Emily, Anthony will finally want me!" situation, and attacking Emily became her source of hope until it all fell apart with both Emily's threats of getting the police involved and her reputation being destroyed online. Edit: So it turns out that's Emily's theory too

@Sassafrass95

Жыл бұрын

would explain why a 30 yr old woman would do so many illegal actions, just one so called "rude" comment would not trigger decades worth of stalking and threats without there being more leading up to that point

@arnahunas4048

Жыл бұрын

I know this word has lost pretty much all meaning, but that’s some textbook Simping right there.

@ubermaster134

Жыл бұрын

This makes total sense

@poweroffriendship2.0

Жыл бұрын

That "Amy" stalker that Shannon claimed revealing to be a plot twist is one thing, but Anthony, the ex-husband, being the mastermind behind all of the drama is another.

@GrayD_Fox

11 ай бұрын

there is no reasoning behind stalking

The worst part of her constant complaining about her 'homelessness' was that she actually chose to be, and was doing the van life. As someone who has actually been homeless multiple times both as a child and teen on my own, it's so aggravating to see her try to leverage that any time it suits her

@brendaleelydon

2 жыл бұрын

I wouldn't be as bothered, if she mentioned she had chosen being homeless/vanlife when she complained, because choices you made can still suck. You choose to go to school & be a podiatrist, but some days if you look at (and smell) one more out-of-control athlete's foot infection you stfg you're gonna run screaming from the office never to return, you know? (this is also an issue I have when someone who works in the 'adult industry' complains about a cruddy day at work & people try to use that against them as to why they shouldn't be in that field - everyone has bad days at work or gets annoyed by the monotony; that doesn't mean they need to change direction. but I digress...) I've been both homeless by choice & homeless...not by my choice. While the former didn't make me feel quite as directionless & hopeless as the latter, it still kinda sucked a LOT, and it was also hard to get out of once I was ready. I do believe that in some ways, Shannon is a victim of Anthony (which in no way excuses HER OWN vile, immoral & possibly illegal behaviors), & suspect she wasn't *QUITE* as gung-ho about vanlife as he was, but feared she'd lose him if she didn't agree. I also suspect she thought they wouldn't be living that nomad life for as long as they did. So while I wouldn't begrudge her a whinging regarding being homeless here & there, being disingenuous about it for added sympathy/clout/'interest' is was REALLY irked me. (& she definitely was disingenuous, because even though she mentioned she consciously chose the life...it was waaaay back the 1st and/or 2nd time she spoke on the topic & then never really mentioned it again, even after she had a significantly larger following & *knew* dang well and good that the majority of her audience didn't know the circumstances. But she always had those initial, years-old videos that she could fall back on. "SEE? I never hid the fact that were #VanLife - look at this old AF video!" Which is exactly what she did on the rare occasions she was called out about it.) I'm sorry you had to experience it, especially as a child. People have *NO* idea how badly 'home insecurity' can mess you up. Rent is ALWAYS the 1st bill I pay, because I'd like my kid to avoid that feeling & I am so blessed to be in a subsidized apartment, or it would be an even bigger struggle & thus constant source of anxiety for me. No one in a civilized society should have to live with that level of anxiety over housing & it's kinda disgusting that so many of us do in the name of the almighty dollar. 😔

@user-jd8nn2lq5e

2 жыл бұрын

@V. S. Werejester I'd agree if it wasn't something she said multiple times they chose to do, since parents kicking you out doesn't mean you're automatically homeless either It also iirc(so I may misremeber but I'm pretty sure) they had somewhere to stay outside of her parents but they chose to live in their car because vanlife was big then and they specifically wanted to maximize their money saving for their move

@shadow.banned

2 жыл бұрын

And her victim was a recovering heroin addict. She was basically stalking and harassing a mentally ill person in crisis. She could've gotten someone hurt.

@ma.2089

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I see no problem with her using it to save money. But using it as leverage as if she’s suffered is annoying

@BombayBerke

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-jd8nn2lq5e she said it a few times very early in her video history, and never really mentioned it again. Most of her huge audience wasn’t there when she explained she sorta chose it, so when complaining about it, she probably was milking it. To expect your entire fan base to go back and watch everything you’ve made before they subbed is unreasonable, so them not knowing was understandable. If she mentioned it again after getting a huge audience, I’d agree with you, but her never mentioning it again isn’t a coincidence.

The fact that this is one of the only dramas on youtube I've ever actually followed as it was happening makes watching commentary on it as a WHOLE, so surreal.

@TuesdaysArt

2 жыл бұрын

Same here...especially since Creepshow Art used to be EVERYWHERE. She had credibility in the commentary sphere before the lolcow thing.

@SamJonesS4mmyd48ull

2 жыл бұрын

I concur.

@gucci2468

2 жыл бұрын

Was this video accurate to what you experienced?

@hatsterical2475

2 жыл бұрын

@@gucci2468 I mean, certainly not what I MYSELF experienced, but rather a condensed version of events that I had previously only heard things of from people directly involved, who had lots of emotions about everything. It was easier to digest from this video, since this video was not heated. I also learned a few things I had previously not heard about. This is a youtube drama I only really heard about since I watch quite a few art channels, and they were all talking about it. Even the better commentary videos on anything surrounding creepshow I had heard seemed like they were missing the mark, since everyone was rightly tired. You know, emotionally so. This video is a good combined version, where you can get a good idea of things that took place. I wouldn't really recommend watching other videos on it, if you haven't, personally, this is a drama that always just served to make me tired any time I heard about it. Just bummed.

@TheWholeEntireCake

2 жыл бұрын

I feel that, except mine is The Deathfats Saga of Amberlynn Reid, FoodieBeauty and LifeByJen. I’m a ride or die constituent of Haydur Nation since day one.

"this 13 year old posted something mean, rude, and manipulative!" Everyone with a brain: "yeah 13 year olds tend to seek attention in that way. What about you today Mrs. 30-something?"

"I am in fact a shitty liar, I won't remember my lies very well, I usually end up exposing my damn self." -Creepshow when talking about her "Stalked for 8 years" story. The amount of foreshadowing is insane.

@rubeuspotter719

2 жыл бұрын

She literally told people the person she was. Even in her older videos. It's best to remind yourself of who a person really is

So insane that Shannon probably tried so hard at KZread JUST to create another way of ruining something Emily loved. Emily was gaining a following and was improving from her commitment to it and Shannon couldn't STAND that she had something good for herself. So she built the CSA channel with the firm goal of doing whatever it took to rise above Emily, even if it shunned her audience. I firmly believe Emily was right when she said she had the feeling Shannon was going to use the "Amy hacked me" story to finally "open up" about how it was EMILY who was Amy all along, and with her following and the breadcrumbs she left behind she would have created a far different scenario where the people would've been more divided in their belief. The lolcow accusations just flipped the table on all her plans, but the amount of premeditated planning Shannon made all to make Emily suffer... absolutely terrifying.

@TeamFriendship8600

2 жыл бұрын

This has to be the pettiest kind of evil I've ever seen.

@oilpaintolivia6874

2 жыл бұрын

the “Amy” cover up is giving me Jussie Smollett level embarrassment / victim narcissism

@jungtothehuimang

2 жыл бұрын

It's the way Shannon was actively harassing Emily, and then using those things she was doing to Emily to spin a false victim narrative for herself, it's truly deeply evil. That's the only word for it. Shannon is evil.

@mixedviews3536

2 жыл бұрын

@@oilpaintolivia6874 Shannon is worse. Jussie only wanted to get clout for himself. Shannon actively worked to ruin the lives and reputations of multiple people for years.

@stan8479

2 жыл бұрын

While I wholeheartedly believe Emily, I don't think Shannon did KZread just for the sake of ruining something Emily loved. It just seems so... like, that's such a long con, and a lot of it was happening while Shannon was living out of her van...

I feel sad that Emily even had to apologize for saying "you're so insane". Shannon and her boyfriend WERE insane.

@erinwilliams1485

2 жыл бұрын

Technically I appreciated the apology cause im actually counted as legally insane and i would NEVER do this BUT I also felt awful she had to apologize and correct herself. It was a horrible decade for her. They are fucking insane. Coming from one.

@bigclitenergy

2 жыл бұрын

Are*

@drzerogi

2 жыл бұрын

Its so goofy. Calling someone insane is not "ablest".

@connor237

2 жыл бұрын

@@drzerogi According to those of us who are clinically insane, yes, it is. But I don't blame her for falling back on a habit in a time of fear and stress.

@connor237

2 жыл бұрын

@@ihatemondays63 I get that you were told that, but actually listening to people's lived experiences doesn't cost you anything. Being an edgelord because someone on the internet told you listening to people made you a wimp? Just might.

I get the most sadistic smile on my face thinking about how much Shannon fell after Emily’s video. She ruined Emily’s life for years, forcing her into a poverty situation even, and now she’s getting exactly what she wrought on someone else. Karma has never tasted sweeter.

i actually just cannot imagine a lawyer allowing their client to post an unhinged 2 hour video making fun of the character of the defendant after successfully coming to a settlement in court like im sorry but like.... this woman needs serious intensive mandated therapy

@sirena6600

Жыл бұрын

i need to know who her legal team was😭😭😭 im studying law atm and i am baffled as to how any professional would let her post that

@sirena6600

Жыл бұрын

it’s probably because her team know she’s guilty and cant disprove it but they know that they could make emily seem really bad in an attempt to create distraction

@ademoss80

Жыл бұрын

They wouldn't. It was either an imaginary lawyer or she just ignored thier advice cause this was 100% a kamikaze mission.

@arnahunas4048

Жыл бұрын

That sounds like the plot of a scrapped Better Call Saul episode.

@sumspring4112

11 ай бұрын

Her lawyer was a Bill Hader character from SNL. Only the most sadistic of people would allow their client to destroy THEMSELVES in that fashion. I bet they had popcorn ready too.

The part where Emily got fired from her job was absolutely gut wrenching, words cannot describe how extremely frustrating it is that all it takes is one dedicated piece of crap with a bit of free time on their hands to ruin your life and there's literally nothing you can do about it. That's injustice of the highest order and it's deeply upsetting to me that our legal system doesn't provide any real way to sue these people into stopping / paying for damages. Stalkers are the lowest of the low and I can't even fathom how truly twisted and evil you'd have to be to participate in that sort of behavior.

@nappokaikai

2 жыл бұрын

bro why are you everywhere lmfao

@StrangeTripNH

2 жыл бұрын

@@nappokaikai why not?

@spaceghost8886

2 жыл бұрын

Haven’t people been doing that shit for years now? Snitching on some social media platform or whatever with the express goal of getting somebody fired and cutting off their livelihood. Scummy as fuck aint it?

@AdachiCabbage

2 жыл бұрын

This and Swatting.

@cwcpants140

2 жыл бұрын

This is why i dont post about where i work on any of my social medias and if i do, its something super vague about something in retail or fast food or something so vague that you cannot draw any logical conclusions based upon it. This is a direct result of oversharing info with the world tbh

She's going to hate how unflattering that picture of she is, in the thumbnail, and I love that.

@georgianash6635

2 жыл бұрын

Is what she looks like.All her own photos are severely filtered and look nothing like her actual face

@kinseymiller7761

2 жыл бұрын

shes gonna hate that people see what she really looks like under all that blurred and smoothed out skin editing she usually uses LMAO

@yuenmienyu

2 жыл бұрын

@@kinseymiller7761 IT LOOKS SO RIDICULOUS LMAO 💀 and the fact how she changes the colour of her eyes and the amount of blush she adds. she really thinks she ate. she even called herself "hot" multiple times on twitter

@kinseymiller7761

2 жыл бұрын

@@yuenmienyu ye she lies to herself all the time lmao 🤣 😂 💀

@SleepySloth2705

2 жыл бұрын

I always found it funny how she portrays herself with a slim neck and sharp jawline in artwork 🤣🤣😂

The pure aggression and venom in her tone. She brags about being nasty, name calling and whatnot. No wonder people instantly believed Emily, proof aside. She’s immature, insecure and petty as hell. She gets off on being nasty and surrounding herself with people who praise her toxicity. I get genuinely furious whenever I hear her name or see her face. Emily is so damn strong to deal with this nonsense for so long.

Everything about Shanon, especially her final video, is crazy, but what always sticks out to me as her “proof Emily wasn’t R-worded by Anthony while high” was that “Anthony doesn’t have se*ual interactions with people who use drugs, therefore, if it happened, Emily COULDNT have been high”, and she goes into this psychotic discussion of “proof” that Emily was sober by digging through song lyrics Emily posted to Facebook that talk about being clean like they’re undeniable proof… as if, you know, ONLY PEOPLE WHO ARE HIGH GET R-WORDED. Like, Shanon doesn’t really deny that Anthony didn’t sleep with Emily, only that Emily’s claim that she was high and thus Anthony forced herself was a lie because Anthony hates drug users. Okay. Then he forced himself on her when she was NOT high. She still didn’t give consent. Thus, he still R-worded her. Like??? Did she not notice what a faulty argument she was making?? The rest of the video was messed up as well but that fact really stuck out to me.

whats funny is shannon using "It wasn't me" by shaggy as a fun joke to talk about her innocence is that song is literally about someone lying to his girlfriend's face

@gregjayonnaise8314

2 жыл бұрын

OOF

@PleasantSparkGacha

2 жыл бұрын

very ironic

@Ramsey276one

2 жыл бұрын

Freudian Slip? Never got the song message?

@elizegood7722

2 жыл бұрын

stupid people do stupid things. stupid people say stupid things. they always unintentionally end up telling on themselves lmaoo

@LaydiNite

2 жыл бұрын

It's technically about someone being advised to lie to his girlfriend about something she saw with her own eyes. The difference is that the final verse involves him deciding to come clean to her and apologize, which Shannon never did, making it even more ironic.

the irony of someone who spent 10 years obsessively stalking their husband's ex just for making one rude comment, to then tell others to "touch some grass" is WILD

@Sassafrass95

Жыл бұрын

it wasn't just a rude comment, more then likely she was/is either super jealous or is so far up her husband's ass that she goes along with whatever he wants. I honestly believe that is the only reason a person of her mental maturity would stalk someone, threaten to kill them and their kids, use child and revenge porn against them and even try to get them fired from a job for no reason other then to destroy her life

@faffywhosmilesatdeath5953

9 ай бұрын

As another commenter-and Emily as well, apparently, suggested it's probably not that. Since Anthony started out being the mastermind of the stalking, it makes more sense that she jumped into it as a way of becoming a major part of his biggest passion. The fact that she reacted most strongly to accusations against him kinda corroborates that theory.

Shannon sure is very sensitive when it comes to criticisms about her husband. From what we’ve heard of him he’s not really worth that effort.

@jaybay5538

10 ай бұрын

Either hes abusing her or she has extreme self esteam issues

@RedxRiot

10 ай бұрын

@@jaybay5538probably self esteem issues, if I looked like the pillsbury dough boy on a good day I would have them too

How pathetic do you have to be to stalk your BF’s ex at his urging? It’s mind boggling to me how little self worth someone can have.

@bumblehoney7206

Ай бұрын

Guys like him find insecure people and prod that wound to keep it fresh and ever growing because predators prey on the weak.

I love that Shannom used Emilys cringy middleschool posts to frame Emily as "obviously manipulative and toxic", when Shannon would tell her audience "i used to lie to people online to fit in and be cool" like.. Shannon.. Are you the only person EVER to think of that??? 😂😂 it blew my mind how many times i could only hear "MANIPULATION unless i do it, MORE MANIPULATION! unless i did that then theres reason for it."

@yuenmienyu

2 жыл бұрын

frrr like all of a sudden, it doesn't apply to Emily?

The way she threw away whatever good faith she had in the community for a man whos more obsessed with his ex than he is of her is tragically funny to me

@ladylark10884

10 ай бұрын

it's like an obscure shakespeare play man 😭

I'm not sure if others have mentioned this, but in Shannon's community post, she says that Amy was a pseudonym. But in the video, the screenshots of emails between her and "Amy" have the latter signing off with the name Amy. So basically she contradicted herself by saying it was a pseudonym, but showing evidence that says otherwise. How could you possibly get something like that wrong... unless Amy was never real?

@nikkieasley6204

Жыл бұрын

And not to mention it was a normal email and wasn’t even evidence of stalking. If Amy stalked her for 10 years, you’re telling me she has NO evidence?

throwback to when she used my speed paint in one of her videos but she didn’t properly credit me so all of the comments abt the art were “oh my god you’ve improved so much” when it wasn’t her art 🙃

“I’m the most stubborn person in the whole fucking world” no kidding, that entire decade of stalking definitely made that clear

I still find it funny how the Amy name is said to be completely made up to hide the stalker's identity but then she tries to prove the stalker exists by putting up emails that are being signed Amy, the name the stalker wouldn't be going by by Shannon's own words.

@jmhh3264

2 жыл бұрын

That's hilarious. Or would be if it wasn't so pathetic and people hadn't been hurt. Still kinda funny actually. Good catch.

@gregjayonnaise8314

2 жыл бұрын

Also, it’s so weird that Shannon has been completely fine with exposing people in the past, but, once “Amy” betrays her a second time, she’s still worried for Amy’s children and how it affects them and doesn’t reveal Amy’s true identity (probably because it doesn’t exist). Like, where was the consideration for the safety of Emily’s family and friends when you exposed 10 years worth of information on her?

@Bettersucksaul

2 жыл бұрын

Wow good catch

@constantdisappointment5658

Жыл бұрын

@@gregjayonnaise8314 That just proves she not only knew what she was doing to Emily was wrong, but that her audience would never stand for it if she actually admitted it. It's like watching an embezzler in a charity fund before getting caught 😬

@tmlawson751

Жыл бұрын

she said herself what a bad liar she is, how funny that she tripped herself up in such a big way

what is kinda sus to me is that if emily called shannon out in 2018 saying it's been "over 8 years", that'd make shannon 17 when it started. her husband/boyfriend/whatever is definitely sus to me

Oregon actually bans employers from discriminating against people based on credit. Another one of her lies lmao.

@A_Ducky

Жыл бұрын

That was really odd, coz wouldn't it be unconstitutional?

@Shylade

Жыл бұрын

@@A_DuckyI was shocked when she said it was due to Oregon employment laws. I’m like.. I’m an Oregon employer and an employee. How many credit scores I have ran, had to provide, application “fees” taken, or paid is and always will be ZERO. Could you imagine having to pay $50 each application? Employers would pretend to be hiring all FTEs 24/7 and never have to have an actual business at those rates!

@A_Ducky

Жыл бұрын

@@Shylade Sadly, they do this in California. But usually they have to hire someone eventually ...even if it's just for one season. I lost a really good job that way about 20yrs ago. A civil engineering company hired me from another, paid hella more...just to lay off 7 of us in one day - after the (construction) season was over. Really wish I stayed at my previous job. P.s. They also ask for $50 per apartment application here.. and you have to pay before you even know if you're gonna get it. Le sigh. Can't wait to move out of this state tbh

@DestinysPookie

Жыл бұрын

​@@A_Duckywhen we applied to apartments it was $95 for each adult tenant. 💀 my husband and I each had to pay the application fee for 3 different places. We were rejected by 1 over another tenant, we ended up rejecting one because of its strict HOA rules, and we are currently in the 3rd place we applied to.

@A_Ducky

Жыл бұрын

@@DestinysPookie O my life, now it's per tenant!!! I guess they really rip people off by "we have to do a credit check". There's credit checks online which are no more than $35 and if people subscribe, it's even less. But $95 per tenant 😳

man creepshow really did make a final video that just give emily's claims and public trust so much more validity. I don't think I've ever seen someone respond in such a manner that really just wasn't even digging their own grave but seeing it dug, lying down, closing the coffin and refusing to come out

@Aetium

2 жыл бұрын

@STAN CREEPSHOW ART are you really using her childhood picture? that is so creepy holy shit, unless you're actually creepshow, I can imagine she would create her own stan account

@Aetium

2 жыл бұрын

@STAN CREEPSHOW ART that makes it so much more disturbing lmao

@Aetium

2 жыл бұрын

@STAN CREEPSHOW ART I am torn between wanting to explain it...and not wanting to engage further with you as I feel it's a waste of time. do what that information what you will, I'm out. peace.

@murlocholmes4684

2 жыл бұрын

@STAN CREEPSHOW ART 1) its unnerving to see someone making a doppelganger account of someone controversial. 2) Shannon's choice to make her PFP a childhood picture during the drama appeared clearly manipulative, problematic etc. Due to timing and it being a known tactic to make people pity you etc. 3) How often do you see people use the profile pictures of someone you've never met and is a controversial figure, when it's them as a child and is unavailable anywhere but here. It takes time, multiple steps and decisive actions to find a downloadable version of her picture, download it and upload it and then be as uncreative as to name the account "Stan Creepshow Art". Not once did you stop to think of anything creative or to separate yourself from Shannon and not once did you wonder "should I download and reupload someone else's childhood photo for no reason". Obviously it goes deeper than that, but if you really were wanting to pay homage to Shannon - DO BETTER. It's creepy, antagonistic, uncreative and just seems like either bait or a way to trick people into thinking you're Creepshow. Must I go on?

@toooydoeur

2 жыл бұрын

@STAN CREEPSHOW ART you need help kid

Shannon had 6 whole months to compose herself and make a straightforward defense for herself and instead she chose to share screenshots from Emily's pre-teen years and insult everyone she was formerly friends with. It would have honestly been a better defense to just abandon her KZread channel and never speak about the subject again.

@katzcat8181

2 жыл бұрын

The scary part is that lie she opens up with, because it shows us (in my opinion) that she was never trying to defend herself; we were 'supposed' to see the video if she either took Emily to court...or if her legal team made Emily retract her statements- girl made this video expecting Emily to erase everything bad about Shannon, make people doubt her story, and then release a video that would finish off Emily's character so that nothing she would ever say would be credible again. Hell, if things had gone her way, I honestly think we would have later seen a video of how Emily is actually Amy, just so Shannon could bury completely that skeleton in her closet for good. Think about it; if Emily had taken back her statements, it would be very shady to start with and make people doubt her, and with Shannon's video, then I don't doubt some people who have seen Emily as a manipulate and bad person.

I became homeless two weeks after giving birth when my husband threw me out on the streets and my family refused to take me in. I never heard of this woman, but commercializing her state of homelessness in no way compares to what happened to me. She should be ashamed.

@genesisdcardenas9360

Жыл бұрын

I’m sorry to hear that. I hope you’re doing better.

@Syoubat

5 ай бұрын

She was homeless by choice too.

As a person who was a BIG fan of Shannon, it was always super bizarre how she exactly mirrored all of the behavior she's criticized from problematic influencers, and literally gave us the tools to see through her bullshit when it was her turn on the chopping block.

I remember that I casually listened to a handful of CreepShow's videos but started to become irritated with her, it wasn't anything I could truly put my finger on, just an instinct. I tried finding videos critiquing her, but there were basically none at the time, still every now and then I checked to see if anyone else got an off vibe from her. One morning, I casually searched again and *BOOM* there was suddenly like 5 within hours of each other and then everything just came pouring out, like a dam had burst. I have _never_ seen a creator go from almost entirely uncriticized to slammed by any and every channel within 12 hours, much less one go from being considered a sloppy creator at worst to now being considered a real life monster. It was surreal.

@notlikeyouneedmyname.4378

2 жыл бұрын

she was obnoxious and kept swearing as if she was better than everyone, it just started to get annoying

@dummypolice

2 жыл бұрын

I went through the same exact thing. I couldn’t figure out what was making me upset with her videos and I tried finding videos too. I even went to lolcow and could hardly find anything critical of her. I remember seeing her posts oddly enough.

@wisteria6656

2 жыл бұрын

Youre an empath

@hammedburger9861

2 жыл бұрын

To me it was like she slowly started to become more and more of a negative person and I didn’t want to feel that negative energy in my everyday life so I unsubscribed, turned out to be the best decision of my life lol

@benmasta5814

2 жыл бұрын

Its funny cause it just goes to show how many people had the same feeling you did, but were also waiting for the flag to drop lol.

For someone who built a platform on talking about others doing terrible things it's ironic to see her get dragged down with all the " *creeps* " she talked about.

@edgelord8337

2 жыл бұрын

@@Unpopularity don't worry I know exactly what you are talking about and I agree with it 100% I always thought that she was a scumbag but not this much of a scumbag.

@VertigoCrime

2 жыл бұрын

@STAN CREEPSHOW ART tooooootally lol

@mechanomics2649

2 жыл бұрын

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the other commentary channels had skeletons in their closets as well.

@Honey_Daddy

2 жыл бұрын

@STAN CREEPSHOW ART xD you're clearly not tied to reality in any way. Funny.

@Honey_Daddy

2 жыл бұрын

That's one of the reasons she went down so spectacularly. She built an audience that prides themselves (generally speaking, there will be some outliers) on holding crap people accountable for being crap people, so when she was shown to be just as much of a crap person, they held her accountable also.

For the first part of the video, I was like "wow, that's petty, can't these people just do art in peace?", but then the stalking and the woman getting fired from her job and all the other horrible things just hit me like a brick. An then there were the Deviantart screenshots, and I think a part of me died. What kind of person do you have to be to hold someone's Deviantart phase over their head? Most of us were cringe back then, it was part of growing up. Man, art drama's a freaky place.

I would love to see a "The Rise and Fall" for the Fine Brothers. They became so popular with their "[generation] reacts to" videos that they not only popularized the concept but that same concept was their demise when they tried copyrighting the word "react" and then made a half-assed apology video. They suddenly went from one of the most entertaining channels, to the most despised.

@thatpart

2 жыл бұрын

SunnyV2 put out a piece on the Fine Bros recently, I think.

@ReiAnikaAyanami

2 ай бұрын

​@@thatpart don't give sunny any views.

From Oregon here. In 2010 it became illegal for employers to do credit checks on applicants to make hiring decisions. Unless the position handles a lot of money, like banking. The applicant wouldn't have to pay for any of those since it would covered under preemployment and when there is an offer on the table. So fishy that she had to pay to apply. Yeah No

@thisisastoryaboutagirlname5109

2 жыл бұрын

Amy?

@BouncyKnight331

2 жыл бұрын

Also from Oregon, and that sounded fishy to me too.

@sagethelemur

2 жыл бұрын

yeah that caught me wayy off guard, had to check, that seemed super illegal lol

@shayziekaizie

2 жыл бұрын

It sounded fishy just from the way it’s said, and I’m Canadian.

@bellalococo8874

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I live in Portland and have never once had to pay to apply to a job lol

As someone who was on tumblr regularly during the time frame she discussed at the beginning, I can PROMISE you she was talking absolute bullshit in that video. If she had as few followers as she said she did, NO ONE would be responding to her art just to insult or “gatekeep” it

@sashiki9451

2 жыл бұрын

She also says in that video she drew her friend Natalie, her best friend for years. And in another video she says Natalie was a girl from her school that hated her but didn't interact really.

@sashiki9451

2 жыл бұрын

A small lie maybe, but another one to add to the pile. Natalie is her best friend of 10 years in the tumblr vid, but in Shannon's "Worst Fan Ever" starting at 19:08, Natalie is now a girl who hated her in school

@julesking1303

2 жыл бұрын

@@sashiki9451 the fact that she would lie about shit like this makes me even further convinced that she is lying about EVERYTHING involving “Amy”/Emily

@Eowyn126

2 жыл бұрын

True. I was on as well. She probably got some minor comments but with that amount of followers there’s no way it would’ve been a common thing. And frankly I bet more people would’ve been on her side

@simshaver

2 жыл бұрын

i was thinking this too. people ate that type of art up on tumblr too it was literally the most common type of art content lmao

Can we address CSA's homelessness? She chose to live out of her car, she didn't hit a hardship that forced her into homelessness. So tired of that narrative...

@destrocrimson

Жыл бұрын

I dont like this person but as someone that had no other choice but to live in a car for a bit. Alot of things happen that gives you no other choice but to do that.

@sirena6600

Жыл бұрын

i hate creepshow art as much as the next person but homelessness is homelessness. there are so many ways people can become homeless.

@sirena6600

Жыл бұрын

@@destrocrimson i agree! sometimes people have no other choice to live in a car until they can find the stability that they need

@imightnotmakeit

Жыл бұрын

@@destrocrimson key word being “choice”

@CNYKnifeNut

Жыл бұрын

@@imightnotmakeit Key words being "critical thinking" and not blindly believing a random KZread comment. See? You can still make obnoxiously snarky comments and be right.

Holy Narcissism, batman. That rant at the end targeting that Tipster guy and then going on to abuse her remaining fans legit gave me chills. She sounded just like every abusive mother I've seen. Wild.

@thatpart

2 жыл бұрын

To be fair, Tipster deserves and any all negativity 😂

@hrnbrigade4991

Жыл бұрын

@@thatpart how so?

@YurrWhat

Жыл бұрын

@@hrnbrigade4991 He squished a moth on stream and gave an evil smile to the camera and ate the moth.

@hrnbrigade4991

Жыл бұрын

@@YurrWhat so what?

@visassess8607

11 ай бұрын

​@@YurrWhatIt's a moth, relax

The karma of it all tho.. literally the absolute getting what was coming to her.

@samaranavarrete6981

2 жыл бұрын

Omg hi Karuna!!!! ILY 😘

@Chikitew

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely. Shannon lived in a glass house.

@grimreapergal

2 жыл бұрын

Ily !!!!!!!!

@bpatcweredabomb2076

2 жыл бұрын

You've been vindicated! Edit: also, D'Angelo Wallace owes you an apology. He made a snarky comment under Shannon's video about you. That guy acts so holier than thou, absolutely dislike him.

@deaddropholiday

2 жыл бұрын

A online lynch mob? Not my idea of justice. She may be a jerk. But nobody deserves that.

I always found her art so damn ugly lmaoo, but I never had the gall to say it because her fans would've attacked me. But since she's now public enemy #1, I can confidently say her art needs work

@lightimagay00

2 жыл бұрын

exactly what I've always thought as well. I never liked neither her art nor the unnecessary nasty passive aggressive tone she would use in all her vids along with the self deprecation jokes and would always try searching if there were people agreeing with me on this not finding anything at all. It was like she built this shield on herself and all her adoring fans wouldnt let slide not even the slightest critique aimed at her

@localkate

2 жыл бұрын

I liked it when I first started watching her years ago, but then it just... never improved. Like at all. Girl went stagnant for YEARSSS. Def needs work.

@procastination_is_my_passi4182

2 жыл бұрын

@@localkate She was too busy stalking and terrorizing emily to focus on her art i guess 😂😂

@lyswenn

2 жыл бұрын

You see it once or twice and think "oh that's pretty nice" but then you realize everything else is the same. I did find it relaxing to watch her draw though. But other people are also relaxing to watch and do more diversified and detailed stuff.

@stephng2081

2 жыл бұрын

frrr i remember when i first watched her when she got popular and was genuinely shocked by how ugly her stuff was. i thought it would get better so i just ignored it and than it never did so. also hated the way she spoke, she speaks like shes in middle school but shes in her 30’s …..🗿

I live in Portland and this is BS. I’ve never paid an application fee and I’ve had multiple jobs in Portland. I’ve been here since 2010 and I also came with no money and no where to live. I don’t buy her story. I did everything she did but I didn’t ever see any of these obstacles.

i think its so funny that she was supposedly "debunking emilys claims" and then proceeded to show her bad middle school deviantart 😭

She’s just insane…a and very delusional person…that’s the best way to describe her…she thinks everyone is against her but they’re against her because SHE MADE IT THAT WAY. She thinks she’s the “victim” but the real victims here are every one that she hurt and harassed. I hope Emily is doing ok.

@Steviemarie502

2 жыл бұрын

I agree! She's very delusional to think that anyone would believe those excuses! It's like when a toddler lies and says they didn't eat the chocolate as their face is covered in it. She got caught red handed and tried (terribly) to lie her way out of it.

@CaLypSO4456

2 жыл бұрын

@@Steviemarie502 I’m really glad no one is taking her side. That community post she made on her channel has all of the comments condemning her for her actions and trying to make herself the victim for something SHE DID. It really made my blood boil.

@jojoslameerrand9305

2 жыл бұрын

She quite literally made it that way. Like specifically said "hey guys if anything happens pls hold me accountable" multiple times on p much every social media. The fact that she expected people to be overwhelmed by blind loyalty and take her at her word is??????

I can’t get over the fact that Shannon tried to prove she didn’t stalk Emily by going if u see this photo she was living with her dad and I can tell bc her room is pink and her dads house has beige walls. Yup no stalker here.

When I look back at Shannon's fake stalked story is just what happened to Emily always gives me chills. It disgust me how she used Emily's pain to gain views.

@Terryterryterryterryterry

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, it also shows that she was aware that what she was doing is wrong. She's not "insane" she's just evil. She knew she wouldn't want those things to happen to her. She knew her actions were unhinged. She knew pretending like this stuff happened to her would garner her sympathy because it is messed up. So she was 100% fully aware of her actions and how bad they were.

“But would a real unhinged stalker dump a multiple thumb drive amount of information on someone?????!” Wow ur so right Shan ty

I still believe that Shannon will defend Anthony and keep him around because Anthony is Emily's ex lover and it's a weird power for Shannon to have him in her life and away/outside of Emily's grasp (even tho I'm sure Emily wants nothing to do with that man, Shannon probably doesnt see it that way- if Shannon can stalk a woman for 8+ years it's not such a farfetched assumption). Shannon and Anthony are cut from the same cloth, I feel. They are probably each others best hype man and enabler. Edit: She was also 'homeless' by choice aka "car life / van life" . In a lot of her videos she flip-flopped between being homeless by choice to be able to afford certain luxuries, to her being homeless by terrible means- whatever fit her narrative at that moment. It's kind of insulting to those who have actually lived a homeless lifestyle with little to no real choice in the matter.

@omgkthxbi

2 жыл бұрын

I mean, who do you think is egging her on to stalk emily? notice how shannon went after tipster specifically and he was the only person to confront anthony/andrew on his youtube channel. Shannon also spends a good chunk of time in the video trying to discredit Emily's story about Anthony SA'ing her. She doesn't even care to defend herself from the lolcow shit (which, is likely more financially important given her youtube popularity and its not like either of them have real jobs). Like seriously doubt Shannon would give a fuck about Emily if Anthony/Andrew didn't tell her all this bullshit about her and pitted Shannon against her from the beginning of their relationship. Dude gives me U IN DANGER GIRL vibes.

@brendaleelydon

2 жыл бұрын

@@omgkthxbi YUUUUUUP. Also, it's interesting how we're supposed to see Emily's recollections as unreliable, but ANTHONY'S telling of the events to Shannon is absolute gospel T-R-U-T-H & could in NO manner be told in a self-serving way or even be outright lies. Additionally, Shannon straight up LIES when she complains that everyone was lazy & couldn't even be bothered to just scroll down a bit for the PROOF Emily just left right out in the open, omg! My dudes, she totally posted herself singing a song about being clean for X years & that would mean she was clean during the time she's claiming Anthony attacked her! I'll accept my apology now, my dudes. Except...the date on the video was off by a year. And Shannon *clearly* knew this, which is why she kept talking about the MONTHS involved vs the YEARS, hoping you'd get hung up on that & not look at the actual full date that SHANNON even posted herself, discrediting her OWN narrative. (Sorry, I know this is a bit convoluted, because I don't remember the *exact* dates in question, so I don't wanna say & be wrong. I did the math back then, though & I even think Emily addressed it in one of her videos on the topic, I think the second one.) I hope Shannon gets away from her current toxic situation & can get the help she'll need. However, it'll take a TON of work on her part & I'm not sure she's up for it. Hopefully she at least stops going out of her way to be so spitefully hurtful to others. 🤷🏻‍♀️

@nootnewt9323

2 жыл бұрын

Really bothered me how she complained she was homeless when it was by choice and that she had months to prepare. Most people living out of their cars don’t have time to plan for it. And I know a lot of people feel bad for Shannon but she’s definitely not normal like you said. This entire thing started because she decided to dox her sibling. Like… who does that?

@ange4154

2 жыл бұрын

Judging from what she's admitted to about her home and early life, you can tell she grew up bitter, victimized, and insecure. She said she used to be bullied and neglected and her parents did... a lot. I'm sure once a man came along that liked her back and she found out he had a pretty ex girlfriend who probably looked more confident than Shannon felt at the time, she wanted to make sure there was no way he'd go back to her because in her mind she won against a girl that she felt inferior to.

@brendaleelydon

2 жыл бұрын

​@@nootnewt9323 I don't think she really understood how tough 'van life' can be (esp when it's complicated by living out of 2 cars vs 1 van); whether because *she* romanticized it or *HE* talked it up to her & minimized the downsides, we'll likely never know. The fact that she was lucky enough to have time to preplan & had a partner (& had the space of 2 cars to live out of) when embarking on her van life journey, doesn't mean there weren't times it sucked big donkey balls, or that there weren't times she was in fear and/or worried about her safety or bodily autonomy. Choices we make in life can still suck, or affect our lives in a negative way, and I wouldn't begrudge her having a bitchfest about it now & then. HOWEVER, it *IS* disgusting to mislead your viewers into thinking you had no choice in the matter, for pity points or to make your story feel more gritty or like a bigger underdog tale or whatever she was going for. While she'll say she never hid it from her viewers (since she mentioned it specifically once or twice in her earlier videos), she also never went out of her way to inform her ever-growing (well, it was back then) audience that it was a choice she made. Shannon knew damn well & good that the vast majority of her audience didn't know she'd made a choice & she absolutely had no qualms about letting people continue to think she'd had some horrible situation precede her start at van life. And *that* I find completely disingenuous & thoroughly disgusting.

Couldn't stand watching her videos. Her mouth noises made me want to rip my ears off, her self-worshipping attitude was unwarranted, and saying "human person" 15x per video was enough to keep me away after a while. Must admit it was a little funny seeing her get exposed

@abbie_joan

2 жыл бұрын

for real it was quirky in the first video but everytime after that just made her seem like she's putting herself on a pedestal as the best person meanwhile she literally talks like a pick-me/mean girl

@BeatzByMK

2 жыл бұрын

thank you. i felt the exact same way, she just has a very off putting vibe.

@hotdogstratus6533

2 жыл бұрын

'My dude' 🤮

@oops383

2 жыл бұрын

I got recommended a video about a cisgender model who pretended to be trans in order to use a slur. Rather than talk about this issue, she constantly talked about how beautiful/ hot the model was. It was just really disgusting to listen to and made me really uncomfortable. I feel that if a male creator did the same they would have gotten some heat for that video.

@blandface9957

2 жыл бұрын

Yes the mouth nosies!! I didn't watch her because of it and I felt bad but now I don't 💀 dodged a bullet there

Shannon: I'm not a stalker Also shannon: *pulls out Emily's whole book of life*

It's interesting how similar creepshow tried to make her art style to Emily's. Also funny how she puts herself on such a high art pedistule even tho her art sucks and she has no real skill

@yuenmienyu

2 жыл бұрын

except Shannon’s “art” looked like a Walmart version of Emily’s artworks

i think her audio got worse was because she was recording in a more echoey room. cars are actually pretty good for recording voiceovers (definitely better than a big echoey room)

@athembo3111

2 жыл бұрын

that, and external mics usually take some adjustment to get sounding decent. I think a lot of people underestimate this and just think a good mic will automatically sound better straight out of the box. considering Shannon's low-effort content style, it wouldn't surprise me if she was in that camp

When someone is honest enough to tell you they are not a good person, you would do well to at least keep that in the back of your mind when dealing with them.

@stacirenee4122

2 жыл бұрын

When someone tells you who they are, believe them.

@IronicallySell

2 жыл бұрын

Especially with the negative traits

@rubeuspotter719

2 жыл бұрын

Yep.

My favorite dumbass thing Shannon did was say Amy was an alias for her stalker but an email she showed as “proof” that her stalker existed was signed “-Amy” 💀

what a wild ride it was, though I'm not incredibly shocked when she got outted, I watched her content and always felt like she definitely wasnt someone I'd wanna be friends with irl, she always just had that off feeling abt her

@kain1799

2 жыл бұрын

For me it's when she randomly was complaining about D'Angelo Wallace over literally nothing before he really got big. Like he wasn't even remotely relevant at all to the topic.

@joseroa5243

2 жыл бұрын

I Watched like 5 videos of her being like "She's hightly opinionated, and that's cool" But after a year of losing interest and checking her latest updates i was "Damn, she's goddam petty as f"

@anthonyg5001

2 жыл бұрын

I Probly saw a few vids before her controversy, she always came off kinda whiney to me

@joseroa5243

2 жыл бұрын

@STAN CREEPSHOW ART I'm sure she's sociable irl. The fact that she can befriend you is a given after manipulating the narrative for so long. Also, It's sorta obvious you're either a fan who is so deep it's imposible for you to separate yourself from your idol or a troll. Either way, you do you.

@AR-24

2 жыл бұрын

Ok mr important, i see anyone you don’t want to be friends with irl means they are a big no no. Please provide me your list

Correction #1: Shannon does not have a sister, she has a sibling.

@toooydoeur

2 жыл бұрын

?

@-o-1695

2 жыл бұрын

I'm a bit tone deaf so sorry if I sound iffy. But I am assuming that this is a twitter pronoun related issue

@RetroIsaac

2 жыл бұрын

@@-o-1695 Come on dude.

@carnal.circus

2 жыл бұрын

@@toooydoeur the 'sister' is nonbinary, so theyre shannons sibling

@toooydoeur

2 жыл бұрын

@@carnal.circus ah so -o- was right, twitter pronoun issue. Sad!

I just want to ask Shannon what it's like to have a head shaped like a fancy cologne bottle

I'm I the only one who feels like Shannon's art reflects her own damn personality? I can't specifically pin point it, but it's there visually.

@Spleemce

2 жыл бұрын

You can't escape from it I guess.

@kokohai6044

2 жыл бұрын

unoriginal, stagnant, overall mid

@frecklenuckle4450

Жыл бұрын

@@kokohai6044 you're being generous

Anyone else NOT surprised one bit when everything went down? Shannon always seemed like a really toxic person, you could hear it in her voice.

@omadselc

2 жыл бұрын

I actually used to watch some of her videos regularly but (and this isn't in hindsight) I always found the way she spoke to be so damn fake. She reminds me of this really mean girl I knew in highschool who acted almost exactly as she protrayed herserself

@FabiolaMacabre

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I never subbed because she was cringey to me and gave me a weird vibe. I actually thought she was like 10 yrs younger than she was based on how she spoke

@dinazupokva

2 жыл бұрын

She always sounded like an aggressive teenager

@haileyguilford164

2 жыл бұрын

Oh absolutely. I remember avoiding her channel for a reason I couldn't really vocalize. I knew, inherently, that she had a very negative way of presenting herself. At the time, she was speaking out about her involvement with Hopeless Peaches. I was acutely aware of the content of her channel. Call it pessimistic of me, but as a commentator, Shannon was in a position to commodify her experiences, and to weaponize her fanbase. Bad vibes for sure.

@jbgra2566

2 жыл бұрын

@Inu Socials this! The lolcow thing made so much sense to me. Somehow I always felt like there was going to be a day when she would be involved in something like this. But the Emily thing really caught me off guard.

A homeless person drawing with Copic markers?!? I’m not homeless and I can’t even afford to use them lol

@ladyj.9350

2 жыл бұрын

Tbf I believe they could have afforded cheap housing, maybe in a different city. But her boyfriend was convinced pseudo homelessness would bring his music to the next level

@sierramobley8962

2 жыл бұрын

RIGHT i’ve been wanting to get those markers since i was like 19, i’m 30 now and still haven’t been able to afford those bitches lol they’re expensive AF

@jmhh3264

2 жыл бұрын

I'm not a fan of hers, just stating this first. Its possible she had them before becoming homeless, if she really was as strapped for funds all the time as shes said then that's the only way I can think of to explain it. My mom absolutely nurtured my art, and saved up money for my 16th birthday to buy me some Caran d'Ache color pencils, when I moved out at 17 and had to live out of my car for a while as well. I couldn't afford to eat every day but I had a $400 set of color pencils haha

@mossfrog9720

2 жыл бұрын

I remember when one of my friends got her first job she saved for a few months to try and get some and after a while she just gave up

@damuffin91

2 жыл бұрын

@@jmhh3264 ngl I always found copic markers to run out of ink really fast so I doubt they would last her that long, especially looking at how she used them.

Probably the most insignificant thing I always hated abt Shannon was how she would kind of like talk down to creators she was promoting. Like "I hate this creator soooo much so we should all like and comment on their videos that would show them" type stuff as a joke. I honestly couldn't tell if she genuinely liked the people she was promoting sometimes.

I was stalked by my emotionally abusive ex and his now girlfriend (who was his ex previously) and I feel for Emily and can relate a lot to the situation (though hers was far more severe). He went as far as to send me files through google drive to get under my skin because I had him blocked absolutely everywhere. I got several emails that someone was trying to get into my social media accounts when I cut him off, I had previously tricked him into giving him a password for one thing cause he wanted it, thinking it would be a password for all my accounts. I also got a slue of dms from strange burner accounts telling me we needed to have a chat/that they were sorry for hurting me that I would block. She and him both threatened me with violence and her father is a corrupt cop which I feel might have played a role in the fact I struggled to get taken seriously when I actually did go to my local police about the situation. It only stopped right when I started dating my now boyfriend about 8 months ago, but it emotionally fucked me up. All the threats of suicide, of hurting me, of leaking sensitive videos and photos (which did happen and I have no idea to what extent because it was dmed to people I dont know) and etc. The girlfriend is being abused, physically an emotionally, but she defends him under the guise of him being diagnosed as mentally disabled and not knowing better, but he told me and all his (now former) friends he has never seen a medical professional because he feels there is nothing wrong with him. Also she told me he would stare at my social media accounts on alts all day to see if I would talk about him and his former friends would DM me saying he thought I was "speaking" to him through my posts somehow and that he was telling people we were friends and made it seem like we have a romantic relation despite not having spoke to him in several months at that point at all and him dating this girl. What she's done and defended of him has no excuse, but I can relate to Emily in a part of me feeling bad for my own stalker and what she's going through in secret despite the emotional distress she caused me. In the end though, there isn't an excuse for abuse. I am just glad that seemingly for me it's now over. I don't even think about him much anymore and I don't feel paranoid of who I talk to online as severely as I did before when this started. I still feel that anxiety of being watched but I don't let him have that power over me anymore. To any other victims of abuse just know you are totally not alone and the truth always comes out, they can't keep up lies forever. I had a bad home life and it lead me to even worse relationships as a teen, my life is much better now after more therapy and respecting myself. Get away and speak up, it WILL get better.

I’ve lived in Portland for 29 years and I’ve never paid to apply for a job. In fact I was unemployed for 5 months and apply to 5 to 10 jobs a day and never saw a single pay to apply job. I find that claim fishy on her part.

@brazenlilhussy5975

2 жыл бұрын

I agree. That is one fishy claim. I was gonna say it'd be a weird thing to lie about but I don't think she needs a reason to lie! It seems to come as naturally as breathing. Just flat out weird.

@lindseystein9676

2 жыл бұрын

I’m not entirely sure it would even be legal to charge a fee like that.

@ironwolf56

2 жыл бұрын

So devil's advocate it MIGHT be some job placement company. Those do charge you and promise to find you temp gigs and stuff; I used to live in an area where a couple of those sketchy companies had cornered the entire job posting market and it was literally pay to play if you wanted a job in a lot of fields (especially like office work).

@siriuslyconfused1

2 жыл бұрын

@@ironwolf56 honestly those are 99.9% scams, real placement companies will make money from your employment, paid by the employer,if the company needs some down payment from you it is almost ALWAYS a scam.

@emilyr8668

2 жыл бұрын

i was going to say??? i have legitimately never heard of that and have no idea why if some would charge she would, as a homeless person, be applying to those jobs???

A woman stalking another woman is usually due to jealousy and revenge for something, Shannon fits both points.

@goliathtigerfishes

2 жыл бұрын

There were a few times I have witnessed girls copying another girl or person to "become them". Insecurity and envy is a hell of a thing.

@yuenmienyu

2 жыл бұрын

internalised misogyny

@brazenlilhussy5975

2 жыл бұрын

IsaCat isactusllyadog.

@cheezbiscuit4140

2 жыл бұрын

casting a bit of lesbian doubt here and inserting the obligatory "women can be abusive partners/exes too" but I see what you mean when it comes to motivation here

@isabellairon8420

2 жыл бұрын

@@cheezbiscuit4140 I second this 👍

So people were STILL trying to support her after everything, and she threw that in their face and called them weird and disgusting. I feel like that's the biggest admission of guilt.

I remember how Shannon would 'shout out' other creators and it was so...intense. Way over the top love-bombing style, it always gave me really bad vibes. Think that was when I first started to think something's wrong with this picture.

As an artist I remember watching a couple photoshop brush tutorials and YT briefly deciding I clearly wanted to see cringey young adults whine about eachother while drawing. The part that always stands out to me is... why does all their art look so damn the same. Like seriously I think if you asked some of these artists to draw something besides a female bust with floral accents their heads would explode.

5:30 What. I'd never heard of this. Denying someone a job based on their credit history is peak dystopian ridiculousness.

@user-is7xs1mr9y

2 жыл бұрын

sounds an awful lot like the Chinese Social Credit System.

@krugerofcause9048

2 жыл бұрын

According to people that live in the state, it became outlawed in 2010, so it’s probably a load of shite.

@brendaleelydon

2 жыл бұрын

@@krugerofcause9048 Yeah, i *really* wanted to give her/them the benefit of the doubt on this, but apparently Shannon is currently 28 (she'll be 29 next month in May, according to google), so she would've been 17 at the MOST when that law was enacted? 😬 I mean, they've allegedly been stalking/harassing her for nearly a decade, so I thought, well...maybe? But no. It's been 12 years since they stopped that nonsense in OR, and they were together in CA for a while before they took off for points north. However, she mentions in a more recent video having been in her apartment for a couple years, so there's really no way she could've been homeless in OR before the law changed. Even giving consideration to the idea that perhaps some companies still used the old system for a while after it changed...I can't imagine that 5+ years later it would've still been going on and unchallenged by SOMEONE. All that said, I can't actually find anything online saying either way if Portland does or does not charge people to apply for a job, only that they changed the law & now employers can't ask you about your criminal background until after they've interviewed you. Considering that most of the time, the fee is allegedly for a credit & criminal background check, I would assume that if they ARE still allowed to charge a fee, it wouldn't be until after you interviewed? I dunno. The very idea of someone charging me to apply for a job seems absurd & I'm very glad I've never come across it in my area!

@MissSimone02

2 жыл бұрын

@@brendaleelydon for certain jobs in the public sector it is required to have credit and/or background checks. But I've never in my life have I had to pay for it. Pay for additional training, sure, but not for a requirement imposed by the employer. Source: lives in Portland and worked for Dept of Human Services.

@ZentaBon

2 жыл бұрын

@@krugerofcause9048 not always, employers know many aren't familiar with laws like this and/or don't know how to report it. They rely on this and break the law anyway.

I always found Shannon’s videos really depressing She got so angry so often that it legitimately frightened me quite a bit I don’t know what people saw in her tbh

@jeremyvisser3877

Жыл бұрын

People love watching a Trainwreck

I think what maker her case infuriating is how she just stood in this moral high-ground, like she was a saint who just lit up the world with her shiny righteousness when all along she was a disgusting, vile, every buzzword she ever said (racist, transphobic, homophobic) and a stalker who’s moral high-ground was made of mud and her light was a 2$ flashlight. there should’ve been signs that she was never a good person to begin with by the fact she said “latinx” (despite that term being made by white girls on twitter and hated by latinos) as well as having “creep” in her name

I'm just gonna throw out the idea that Shannon wants to *be* Emily. She's constructed her whole life around apeing Emily.

she's quite literally the textbook definition of narcissism and stalking. i've loved Emily's art for years now but only found out about Shannon recently. it's horrifying, the lengths Shannon's willing to go to ruin someone's life for petty reasons. it stuns me that people can live their lives like this and think they're in the right.

@zawrator4457

2 жыл бұрын

Amazing the spare time she has too. Like just imagine spending hundreds of hours harassing someone you last met almost a decade ago.

@kaninekodiak

2 жыл бұрын

@@zawrator4457 its the most ridiculous waste of the precious few years you get to spend on this earth. she says "go touch grass" in her post - when she's the one glued to a screen memorising every detail of Emily's life. i hope on her deathbed, she realises how much good she could have done, instead of ruining the lives of innocent people for no good reason.

Shannon woke up one day and decided to emphasize the “Creep” in Creepshow Art.

I seen a lot of online figures get cancelled but I never seen one get cancelled as hard quite like CreepShow Art before. Like geez she stalked Emily like it was a full time job or something.

Something minor that I just remembered being in one of her videos (for the life of me I can't remember which one and it may not be there anymore given the view purge that happened) is that she claimed to be a diagnosed sociopath. I don't mean this in a purely negative way, having that diagnosis does not mean you're immediately evil, something I've learned over time. I have known two types of sociopaths in my life; one was someone in my family who saw it fit to be the most unhinged and truly evil people to abuse me and my family, the other is a dear friend that developed this condition under their own childhood abuse and never lets it run their life. I still keep in contact with one but not the other. It doesn't add much to the overall narrative but having a lack of emotional empathy can affect how you behave and act. As a former fan of Shannon this entire thing vexes me greatly, and it's affected how I process information within the commentary community. Getting a detailed recap of everything that I've been sitting on since her cancellation solidifies my personal opinion on what happened, I appreciate the time you took to make this, Joon. Can't wait for the next one!

@DrawciaGleam02

2 жыл бұрын

I think I remember that video! Just seeing the title troubled me...

@aureafaix

2 жыл бұрын

@@DrawciaGleam02 I wish I could remember the video's title. I just know that the reason I remember this tidbit was because I had reached out as a fan to her talking about how I admired her and her content literally the day before. That was a bit of whiplash for me, it definitely stuck out. Truly though I hope that Shannon is able to be better than this in time, but if she returns to the internet I doubt I'll just fall right into viewership. That's a shattered trust that will be difficult to recover.

@viralchallengeselfie7200

2 жыл бұрын

I’m interested to hear more about your sociopath friend who hasn’t let it ruin their life. What is that like for them?

@aureafaix

2 жыл бұрын

@@viralchallengeselfie7200 From my experience with them (they were my roommate for 2 years) and having conversations about their diagnosis, they recognize that they're not able to understand or connect the emotional output displayed by their friends, but they actively choose not to dismiss or ridicule it. "Just because I don't get why they're acting like that doesn't mean that this response isn't valid to them. So I let them deal with it and help where I can." is what they usually say when I ask how they handle their diagnosis. I respect that thought process deeply, it's why we still hang out, go shopping, play games, and even garden together when we're able.

@viralchallengeselfie7200

2 жыл бұрын

@@aureafaix Thabks for the reply, that’s so interesting. It reminds me of this guy named David Wood who is a Christian KZread. He is a sociopath who almost murdered his father and went to prison. But he decided God is the most logical explanation for reality and decided to be a Christian and help people even though he still had no emotion. I’m fascinated by sociopaths who end up being functional nonviolent people

I have genuinely never heard of jobs charging 'application fees' before, that seems crazy to me

@00muinamir

2 жыл бұрын

I think it's something like, "we're making you pay for the background check we're going to run on you" or some shit like that. I agree it's fucked to pass that cost on to applicants, that should be on the employer.

@massgunner4152

2 жыл бұрын

Apparently it has been outlawed in the state Shannon was, she must have gone to some really shady places, wich doesn't surprise me given Anthony's attitude.

@crowkit9729

2 жыл бұрын

@@00muinamir i was reading through some other comments of oregon/portland residents and everyone had said theyve never encountered having to pay for applications. especially for big businesses background checks and stuff are just apart of the budget so im sure she was just trying to gain sympathy cause i cant imagine her applying for four jobs with application fees when it’s apparently so uncommon

@hope-cat4894

2 жыл бұрын

I always heard that if a job makes you pay for an interview, it's a scam.

@Cooe.

2 жыл бұрын

Application fees are usually only found with jobs that have mandatory background checks, and only in jurisdictions where such fees are legal. And in that case they are usually about ≈$20.

Creepshow: "I am done. I am ef'ing done." Narrator: "She was not done."

Thanks you for actually showing her face. She deserves it

I genuinely had to skip past a good chunk of the clips wherein Shannon spoke because so much as hearing her voice, especially when she's lying or failing to defend herself, makes me somewhat unreasonably angry.

@JackedThor-so

2 жыл бұрын

Same. I'm an ex fan and she's wall-hole-punchingly grating to listen to.

@-redacted2554

2 жыл бұрын

@@JackedThor-so same i feel so dumb im usually so distrustful it concerns me I didn't get any bad vibes

@ConnieCrow

2 жыл бұрын

same. she’s just trying so goddamn hard and it’s so annoying.

I kind of grew suspicious of Creepshow pretty early on. Her tone and language was annoying in a very insecure way and at first I couldn’t figure it out. It eventually hit me, the old “If everyone’s an asshole then you’re probably an asshole”. Didn’t think she was quite so pathetic

@aeoligarlic4024

Жыл бұрын

It has the cadence of a regular tumblr/twitter user for some reason

@-Lola.

Жыл бұрын

@@aeoligarlic4024 For me it was the way she would constantly say the same thing over and over as if she was in a pointlessly repeating shit contest and her opponent was Leafy

From what I’ve seen of Shannon’s “art,” I think she never drew much of anything until she started her channel. When Emily told her “Your art is unusual- I’ve never seen anything like it,” I laughed. It was probably the only way she could phrase “your art really sucks” without sounding mean.

Man, to think that it was about 4-5 years ago where this woman was one of the more popular artists in the community. I remembered watching only one or a couple of her videos. I wasn’t a fan per se. but was just using her videos for background noise. I tolerated her at first. But then I eventually began to notice the way she spoke just kind of didn’t sit well with me. I mean, nothing wrong with talking big and hyping yourselves up. But the way she constantly used ‘negative’ compliments for herself, raising her voice, Ranting, the whining tone. It was all giving me the ‘Pick me’ vibes. She got kind of hard to listen to. She sounded like a highschool bully to me at that point, so I just stopped.

@FullMoonOctober

2 жыл бұрын

Did you ever notice that it was always a one-two punch with the love bombing she'd do over another creator? It was like she not only wanted sympathy from her audience, but also she wanted to get credit for being nice to others...while keeping the attention squarely on herself. It got to the point that half of each video would be that nonsense, and at least half of the comments were just people complimenting her instead of anything to do with the topic. It got to be too much for me.

I followed her early on, but quickly picked up on her negative language, and love-bombing. Everything had a negative skew, she talked ungodly amounts of shyte about herself, and then sucked arse of anyone who gave her especially any negative attention. Those are bad signs and I'm still floored that she had a platform. No one else picked up on how vile her tone was? Or they're just like her and enjoyed the vitriol? Hers was a negative space from day 1. Though I did NOT expect ANYTHING like this. Also, I watched Emily about a year or so before Creepshow ever happened. Watching all of this unfold has been strange, and Shannon reminds me of a girl I knew in school. So I think I'd already met a "Shannon" and sensed the pattern. I'm still confused how a nasty attitude always seems to gain a following. Says something about people, I suppose.

@PoptartParasol

2 жыл бұрын

I watched her only once and I picked up on ALL of this. She was so abrasive and aggressive and generally unpleasant I was pretty confused as to why people enioyed watching her... And it's funny because I am usually also described as an abrasive person. But I have never acted how Creepshow acted, so that gave me some redflags already...

@michellecgb

2 жыл бұрын

She got old for me real quick. I just didn't trust the way she talked so badly about herself, it felt preventive somehow. As if saying she's stupid or a bad person would excuse her later on. She was right, she is a bad person and stupid to believe she could fool the entire internet about her shitty actions, but that didn't save her. She tricked so many people but that's not on the people who trusted her or lacked intuition, it's 100% on her. People don't usually think the worst of others when there's not a reason to; she made mistakes, yes, and she had an off personality, but I don't think the people close to her or in her community ever saw something like this coming. And again, it's not on them.

@michellecgb

2 жыл бұрын

I mean, though I didn't like her because she gave me a certain vibe, I never would've thought she would be this insane online stalker. Two-faced, for sure, but a stalker to the extent that Emily exposed? Couldn't have seen that one coming.

@Angelface11

2 жыл бұрын

Yes I felt that she was an sjw type....which are very often...not such good people. I felt a mean energy from her but this goes way above. Insane.

@thehillisalive

2 жыл бұрын

I only saw her later content and I think it didnt fully click with me how many behavioral red flags there were, because I was bored and just wanted something playing in the background with art to look at if I wanted to. Hindsight is 20/20 /though..

That pewdiepie fan art is genuinely the first and only time ive ever seen her art and thought “thats (actually) good” That’s not to throw shade to her out of a bias against her bc she’s a bad person.Hitler was a wonderful artist; She just isn’t. Which is incredibly ironic considering her mantra “art is my passion”

I can never understand why Americans kick their teenagers out. As if as soon as u turn 18, ur immediately a financial stable adult.

@freeziez

3 ай бұрын

typically people go to college right from there so they'd have 4 years or so to find a career and hopefully make enough money to live on their own. but this obviously doesn't really work for people who don't go to college so you're not wrong

@MirandaSinistra

Ай бұрын

I think the middle ground is just sheltering your kids until they're ready to move out but not just letting them waste their life away without preparing for the future. My mom didn't kick any of my older siblings out when they turned 18 but she did something that was a little worse imo. She refused to let them get jobs so they could move out. When they finally decided they would do it without her blessing she flipped out, made them public enemy no. 1,2,3,4,5 and refused to let me and my younger siblings talk to them.

@bumblehoney7206

Ай бұрын

It's usually because the family is dysfunctional. Parents don't kick out kids expecting it to be ok - it's not something most parents want to do.

This was one of the fastest, hardest falls from grace that I have ever seen. It's almost hilarious.

19:20 you saying "uwu" in your deep, serious voice just fuckin sends me and I don't know why. Hilarious.

@concorde3980

2 жыл бұрын

Metokur does it better.

I really hate that this whole drama era of KZread was a thing, and that some people still are trying to perpetuate it.

@aeoligarlic4024

Жыл бұрын

The pandemic was about channels that specializes in drama for some reason

@SB-eh5gd

Жыл бұрын

I just find it interesting watching each channels take

@kirbyis4ever

10 ай бұрын

​@@aeoligarlic4024drama squared basically.

Why the hell did my smooth brain see an almost two hours long video about drama I've never heard about and thought "damn, that's going to be perfect for a productive evening"? Top-notch commentary and editing. 10/10 might binge watch drama analysis for a bit.

Thank you for choosing the least flattering pic of her for the thumbnail. It’s like seeing the real her, the one she tried to hide. You can tell how extremely insecure she is by how choosy she was with what pics she posted, yet chose to bully and belittle all her so called friends behind their backs, going after their biggest insecurities despite herself clearly being the most insecure person out there. Truly a gross person inside and ou

@brazenlilhussy5975

2 жыл бұрын

Do you really think he tried to do that though? I doubt it.

@serena841

2 жыл бұрын

@@brazenlilhussy5975 There are a few flattering pictures of her available on the Internet. If he didn't want to humiliate her, he would have chosen the safest option : her channel icon.

@brazenlilhussy5975

2 жыл бұрын

@@serena841 Maybe you're right Serena, I never seen many pics of her to begin with..like you say, just the channel icon.

@serena841

2 жыл бұрын

@@brazenlilhussy5975 Mhm !

@brazenlilhussy5975

2 жыл бұрын

@@serena841 Bop too boo doo bop yeaheah! Mhm bop 😂 (is that what you were going for)👍

"were able to afford an apartment" they could always afford one, they chose to be homeless lol. She said it was to be able to focus on her debt but her husband has basically said they planned years in advance to do it and they literally moved to another city with the intent to be homeless for a specific amount of time. he seemed to think they were thriving while homeless and spoke positively of that time and makes it seem like it was all really done just to be rebels

@caramel9154

Жыл бұрын

I can't count the amount of horror stories I've heard from people who were formerly homeless, how fucking entitled of them. Then again this man seems to think he's entitled to the attention of someone as nice as Emily...

Shannon doesn’t have a sister, they use they/them pronouns and are non-binary (Shannon misgendered them a lot on lolcow)

I feel for Jem, Creepshow's sibling. Their sister talks about them in bad terms on the Internet, doxes them while they're in the ICU, and has to be part of online discourse to get some justice. And they still can't get people to use their right pronouns!

I was subbed/a fan of hers until mid 2020. I noticed that her content became tea or about predators. It became evident to me that she was doing it solely for the $$. Also, her self deprecation seemed like a guise to seek validation. Reading her comments sections were always full of praise when she did this. Her personality seemed a farce suddenly. Her vocabulary started annoying me too, so I unsubscribed. Only for May-June 2021 to happen and OMG I ate that shit up. To have that icky feeling she gave me justified. I’m not the only one. There are many many others who saw through her before her downfall. I ain’t no genius. Perhaps it’s because we’ve known people like her in the past/have been hurt by them, and now have a sixth sense. Seeing her love bomb and suck the farts out of other creators asses is peak manipulation by a narcissist. It was cringe ‘my dudes’.

@thareelhelloagain

2 жыл бұрын

Same here, I think I watched a couple dozen videos of hers over a few months in like... 2019?... and then eventually i got so tired of her word choice, irritating voice, not very good art, and incredibly formulaic outrage style subject matter that I just unsubscribed and never gave her another thought until all the claims against her started to come out. I was very happy to be validated in my pretty immediate dislike of her. What a clown.

@juburr9750

2 жыл бұрын

I only ever tried to watch one on her videos about that drama back then and I couldn't lol didn't like her voice. So I can see now why I didn't.

@kileystocks9340

2 жыл бұрын

I watched for a brief time as well and couldn't get past how negative she seemed as a person. How irate she could get when talking about anything she disliked or didn't agree with. It became distracting from her actual topic and I eventually peaced out. I didn't know about the drama build-up until it came out that she said all the crap about ALL of her friends. She hurt them and it was sad that I wasn't even surprised that she had. Then Emily and her jaw-dropping story was shared and that broke my heart for Emily. It seemed like Shannon couldn't enjoy and appreciate what she had because she was so scandalous, that she assumed everyone else was too. She had everything going for her and she tore it down.

@freethegays

2 жыл бұрын

Same here, I watched her videos with genuine enjoyment until maybe 6 months before she got outed. I noticed she was getting more and more like... venomous? Her language was getting more aggressive and charged, she seemed to be genuinely yelling and pissed at things that (imo) didn't require screeching to communicate, she started calling people names and mocking people, etc. Her videos just became genuinely stressful for me to watch (because of her voiceovers, not the content) so I unsubscribed. And then this happened... lol...

@cocothedino_2901

2 жыл бұрын

i had a similar experience, after awhile she just comes across the same as other toxic youtubers like amber lynn reid, the similar quirky highschooler vocabulary, the overly sweet mask, the self deprecating comments being contradicted with massive entitlement and ego. it’s sad how common people like this are