I expected him to be nicer than what we expected, but I didn’t expect him to be such a goofy dork. It’s kinda charming.

@infinite.wings.guy.

3 ай бұрын

I'll say it again Gotta love the "All powerful and threatening character, is actually an absolute dorky goofball" type of guys

@kirbystar7474

3 ай бұрын

@@infinite.wings.guy.Bill cipher, Discord, The collector, Q, etc are perfect examples.

@maliciousfry

3 ай бұрын

It's either goofball, absolute monster, or both with viv. There is no in-between.

@mx9226

3 ай бұрын

Wow I’ve been hearted and pinned! Neat

@maliciousfry

3 ай бұрын

@@mx9226 gratz!

A big thing I love about Lucifer is that he really is the Prince of Pride here. He blames Sinners for not being able to handle free will and only doing wicked things with it, not himself for giving them that free will in the first place. He blames Heaven for never listening and being too strict, whiling ignoring the fact that they were right and his idea of granting free will backfired. He seems confident that Charlie will suffer the same fate as he did, if he couldn't convince Heaven of anything how could she manage. He's got a subtle air of assuming he is always correct, and when something goes wrong shifts the blame to other people. His interactions with the hotel staff highlight his pride. He's decently polite, or at least tries to be, for the majority of his stay, but the second Alastor insults him and hampers his pride the gloves are off and he gets intensely pissy. He can't stand being upstaged or people taking credit for his work, especially his beloved daughter. When singing his song to prove that he can help Charlie he doesn't actually suggest anything to help her with the hotel and with her mission, just random showcases of his power to seem impressive. It's moreso about the showboating than genuinely assisting. But at the end of the day, he's still an Angel. There's no outright evil in his heart. He is still fueled by a desire to create and make people happy. It just so happens that most of his ideas are poorly thought through or unneeded. Even after thousands of failed rubber ducks its still just a "this is terrible" and not a "I'm bad at this." Yet we also see him manifest the positive aspects of pride. Pride for his daughter. When he sees the passion in her dreams and how much she's grown he realizes that he *did* make something worthwhile, someone who could do *better* than him. While it takes him a bit to come around he eventually admits that his little girl is doing alright and he's proud of how far she's come. He might not have been able to handle it, but maybe she can, and maybe that's okay.

@user-fy7cv8rc6m

3 ай бұрын

this is an amazing analysis!

@norastanwood4891

3 ай бұрын

YES!! YOU GET IT!! And to think some people said Viv is bad at subtlety

@RedSaber90

3 ай бұрын

Hmm that actually kinda makes sense great job with the analysis

@ArukiTsukaru

3 ай бұрын

Wh- but- are you saying sinners shouldn't have free will? That's kinda messed up 😅 Otherwise though great analysis!

@heyheyitsjae2475

3 ай бұрын

@ArukiTsukaru no, just that he tried to give them good while ignoring the bad, and when the bad happened didn't take responsibility for it. The fact that the forbidden fruit exists in the first place suggests that humanity was supposed to get free will at some point, but Adam and Eve and/or the world around them weren't ready for it. Kinda like how you'd teach a 13 year old how to use a power drill but not a 3 year old.

Not going to lie I think Lucifer is one of my favorite characters, just from his sweet, goofy, friendly, creative and kind personality. The guy really is a good person, like genuinely he's a good guy and I love that about him

@bighand1530

3 ай бұрын

Ever seen the Watchman River channel?

@user-fy7cv8rc6m

3 ай бұрын

yesss he’s my fave character too!!

@kasmyt463

3 ай бұрын

he literally me (i m 5'3 btw)

@salient869

3 ай бұрын

Now all he needs is to fix his pride

@bighand1530

3 ай бұрын

@@salient869 The devil is prideful and thought he can take over Heaven.

Can we take a moment and appreciate how Lilith looked at Adam -- the ONLY MAN ON EARTH -- and was like '...I can do better than this'?

@noahegler9131

3 ай бұрын

Honestly, I can see why

@UsagiMimiChu

3 ай бұрын

She took the "I wouldn't be with you even if you were the last man on earth" to the very next level.

@anamggss

3 ай бұрын

Can't blame her

Lets be honest, the lucifer we have here actually makes sense. Lucifer doesnt like evil, he didnt mean to create evil, he just wanted to give humanity more freedom, which then led to his downfall

@disneyfan_1237

3 ай бұрын

Yeah, well look at all the bad that we humans do with our freedom. Bad outweighs the good imo

@ArgoBargo

3 ай бұрын

@@disneyfan_1237 get a better opinion

@Nethal12

2 ай бұрын

@@ArgoBargoHe has a point

@egrismo4217

Ай бұрын

@@disneyfan_1237 The bad in this world is louder than the good. For example, news prefers to report on the bad because they are deemed more “newsworthy” as tragic stories generate more viewer interest and profit… which means you hear more of the bad than the good.

@disneyfan_1237

Ай бұрын

Yes well, all the problems on the planet, whether societal or environmental are human caused.

lucifer truly looks like a goofy angel like some others in haven

@bighand1530

3 ай бұрын

Ever seen the Watchman River channel?

@christiangreen2324

3 ай бұрын

Well he is an angel technically, maybe he has enough will to not be corrupted into demon form

I honestly loved Lucifer in the final episode showed the dangerous side of him- he's a goofy dorky depressed man but that doesn't discount the fact that he's an Almighty being.

@KyrieChii

3 ай бұрын

I liked that he didn't even really seem to take Adam seriously until he tried to hurt Charlie again. THAT was the only thing to make him lose his crap. The original 'extermination' agreement _required_ that all Hellborn were safe from extermination. His main goal has always been to protect those that mattered most to him. Interesting take on him for sure.

"Take that, Depression!"

I really wish Charlie or someone would've said to Lucifer "you gave these people free will! Doesn't that mean these sinners also have the free will to change?" I feel like that line would've been great to add for Charlie's argument for the hotel to Lucifer himself and even during the trial of the Angels. Yeah Lucifer gave free will for humans to be bad, but that doesn't mean they can't change because of the free will he gave.

@matthewcaughey8898

3 ай бұрын

I chose not to do things in cases. I’m guessing free will goes both ways

@LadyLeomon

3 ай бұрын

I forgot where from but I heard a saying to the effect of “being selfish is easy because you just have to not care about others”, with this in mind in Lucifer’s eyes people _chose_ to be bad because being selfless was harder, so it could be he sees Sinners as having taken the easy way out in life and now they’re paying for it in Hell. Honestly I feel bad for Lucifer: cast out of his community/family for having new ideas, his wife leaves him after years together, then his daughter turns around and wants to make nice with the same people who told you to GTFO? That Lucifer wasn’t even a little angry at Charlie speak to his character so much: he clearly loves his daughter more than she loves him (she only called him not because she was worried about him but because she needed something for her passion project, I lost a lot of my liking for Charlie there) 😒😒😒

@ohmydianxia313

3 ай бұрын

​​@@LadyLeomon in Charlie's defense I think from her perspective it may look like he doesn't care about her, like he's obviously emotionally absent parent and there was a big miscomunication between them, Lucifer unintentionally created walls between him and everyone else and maybe Charlie thought that he disappointed in her (also judging by the beginning sequence of the pilot, but this aspect may changed ofc) so she kinda gave up reaching out to him Also I don't think she knows that very well about his mental state

@LadyLeomon

3 ай бұрын

@@ohmydianxia313 in all fairness to that I say “I don’t think Charlie is all there mentally herself”. Come on, she sees her people being slaughtered every year and her bright idea is “maybe _we_ need to change and be better so they won’t want to kill us anymore?” Just look at the Season 1 Finale: she spent most of the episode throwing fireworks while yelling “sorry!” while her people, who she claimed to want to save, were being slaughtered (I know a bunch from the Cannibal Colony died) but it wasn’t until someone she was personally invested in (Pentious) died that she finally got serious and even then Adam tossed her around like a rag doll! Oh and Vaggie with her whole “live knowing you only do cos I let you” thing? Now Lute is going to arguably be an even bigger threat than Adam! Sure Adam was a nasty, sexist pr*ck but he wasn’t all that bright, Lute is smarter than he was and now she’s even more pissed because she lost her friend/superior. I’m all for mercy, but when the heroes set themselves up for more aggro later … I lose all sympathy for them

I still find it funny that the all powerful king of hell is shorter than his daughter

@ArukiTsukaru

3 ай бұрын

Literal short king

@mongon5584

3 ай бұрын

lilith's tall genes went crazy

@KyrieChii

3 ай бұрын

@@mongon5584 They have a sort of 'Morticia & Gomez Addams' dynamic going (height-wise). 😆

@myasmith1820

3 ай бұрын

@@KyrieChiiApparently in terms of intimacy as well.

I've gotta say, after watching episode 5, I can wholeheartedly say that Lucifer is definitely one of my favourite characters of the show. I mean, the end of that episode was so heartbreaking. All Lucifer want was to protect Charlie. He doesn't want his own daughter to experience the same pain he went through. Lucifer had a dream and it was immediately put down, he didn't deserve the punishment honestly. He's such a depressing character, I wished I could just give him a hug.

His attitude on sinners explains their restriction to the pride ring. Trying to contain their destruction.

@KyrieChii

3 ай бұрын

(Warning, you've inspired theorizing 😆😅) Aaah, how did I not make that connection? Before we met him (& got to see his personality) I thought it was more of a 'Pride' thing, wanting the sinners to 'belong' to (be ruled by) him only, sort of like wanting all your toys in a locked toybox. Now that we know he made the 'extermination deal' on condition of sparing all Hellborn... Maybe it really _was_ an attempt to protect _them_ from the destruction of the sinners (who, unlike _lower_ Hellborn, are basically immortal unless Angelic weapons are involved, with unique abilities & souls they can sell for leverge/power). Also... Keeping sinners away from the other Highborn demons (like Paimon/Stolas) & Deadly Sins could prevent them from (having the access to) obtaining souls (like overlords do) & causing their _own_ uprising. I could easily see Mammon trying to pull shit like that (weirdly, Mimzy has a Mammon tattoo on the back of her shoulder, so maybe they're getting their influence into the Pride ring regardless).

Lucifer very quickly became my favorite; this depiction of him is super interesting, and he’s such a well written character. He only showed up once, and that speaks volumes. His voice actor is also incredible; the sad song is honestly my favorite.

2:27 anyone else just feel such a spark of joy at the way he looks at Charlie talk about making something where people can feel safe and open. Thats such a sweet look 😢

My favorite thing about him is that he's an overprotective dad and also just wants for his daughter to be happy.

Alastor does have code actually. While he is a sadistic, chaotic individual. He also has standards. There are also some characters that Alastor has attachments to. Those characters being Mimzy, Rosie, the Cannibal ladies and possibly Nifty.

With Hazbin and Helluva's track records it's super refreshing to see daddy issues get resolved so wholeheartedly so quickly. Like all the problems were genuine miscommunication and both people recognised it immediately and made up straight away. Honestly tear jerking

Of all the many portrayals/interpretations of Lucifer in media, this one has to be my favorite! He really stands out from the others with his quirky and awkward personality yet actually means well

I absolutely love the circus ringleader style and his showman attitude, very fun way to depict Lucifer.

@NightmareRex6

3 ай бұрын

also very esoterical reasons why.......

Imma say it now Lilith kept Charlie away from Lucifer cuz this man is like Dr.doof he wouldn’t leave his daughter of his free will

@joshuagonzalez4183

3 ай бұрын

“this man is like dr. doof” if that’s the case.. (comforting both of them rn😔)

I love one of the few ending shots where Lucifer has his wings splayed out, fully pissed and in demonic (or would it be fallen angel?) mode holding an almost equally powerful Charlie on his arm. Both clearly done with Adam’s shit and ready to rumble. It speaks a lot he’s willing to go so far to protect her and I suspect the new bond Lucifer and Charlie have made will be what saves them against Lilith. Father and daughter are mirror images of each other and it makes me wonder if the mom didn’t have an ulterior motive in keeping them apart. Like as Charlie grew up, she saw more of Lucifer in her and didn’t want her develop like he had.

I feel sad for Lucifer especially ever since he got kicked out of heaven along with Lilith. Plus I love that he's a goofy dad and I love his relationship with Charlie, I know these two were distant before but Lucifer just wanted to protect Charlie and he wouldn't leave her behind. I feel like he deserves a hug after everything that happened.🥺😊

@bighand1530

3 ай бұрын

Lucifer in real life is not how he is in this show.

@rainbowtoyfunrandomess1982

3 ай бұрын

@@bighand1530 That is true. I actually prefer Lucifer in the show a bit more for obvious reasons.

@TamWam_

3 ай бұрын

@@bighand1530 who said they weren't talking ab lucifer in the show 😭

@rainbowtoyfunrandomess1982

3 ай бұрын

@@TamWam_ Exactly.

Not gonna lie, the catholic in me feels like I’m doing something wrong by liking a character that is Lucifer himself. (K-8th catholic school). But I also recognize that hell and Lucifer have had different interpretations in the past from different religions and mythologies. So I can see that this show is simply showing Lucifer emphasizing the fallen angel aspect of his story so he is more sympathetic. From that point I can say that Lucifer has quickly become one of my favorite characters and I hope we see more of him.

@twigwigsoso

3 ай бұрын

liking luthier is hundreds of years old, from paradise lost to church's getting upset about sexy lucifer statues

@matthewcaughey8898

3 ай бұрын

The fact that you’re thinking goes against most of the stuff the Catholic Church teaches. I excommunicated myself a long time ago and I was better for it. I’m not saying that I’m a devil worshipper or anything only that I chose to do what I did and chose to look for a different path still looking 23 years later. Still a pastor friend of mine likes to say. “ religion is a deeply personal issue and everyone gets to their answer in their own way and their own time, Carlin said it best, Don’t kill anyone ( if you can help it) and don’t bang your neighbors wife. Outside of that it’s a crapshoot”. It was one of the most honest things I ever thought a religious personality could say.

@myprofilepictureisajoke5707

2 ай бұрын

It’s ok to like a fictional interpretation of someone from your religion as a character, doesn’t make you a bad person or something :)

@yesthatmousyiris4887

4 күн бұрын

@@matthewcaughey8898 I like your pastor's saying religion is a very complex topic.

Lucifer is a Goofy, Good Boi who didn’t deserve the pain he went through.

One thing I like about him is that he views hell like his Circus and he's the ring master

Seeing Lucifer's personality in this makes me wonder how he interreacts with the other sins, like Mammon, Ozzie, and Bee. I get the feeling that he and Mammon don't get along, especially after their court case about Lu Lu World and Loo Loo Land. I like to believe he has good relations with Ozzie and Bee; Bee probably being a niece of sorts and Ozzie being a wingman of sorts, maybe giving him Lust advice.

@sarafontanini7051

3 ай бұрын

it also makes me wonder what the the deal with succubi and such going to earth is all about if he actually hates sinners, though maybe that's somethign lilith was involved in

@KyrieChii

3 ай бұрын

There's actually a lot of fanart of exactly those ideas that I came across recently. :) I hope he really DOES have some sort of relationship with some of the other Sins.

I really love Lucifer’s character and I have sm sympathy for him after everything he’s been through the man has been through sm and still tries to keep a smile on his face. I’m glad he’s reconnecting with Charlie again.

I really do hope we get to see more of Charlie and Lucifer's father and daughter relationships in season 2, but I really wanted to see Loona finally saying "I love you dad" to Blitz and accepting him into her life. Like for real this time, I really wished to see that right now.

When you think about it, Lucifer as the sin of Pride still IS prideful! Maybe not on the inside but he has a prideful persona. "Hells great dad" shows it very well to me. The whole song he doesnt really acknowledge Charlies feelings. He mostly just brags about how powerful and great he is. And that he can rig anything for her down there. Slot machine he uses has his face on it! The coins that fall out of it have his face on it! The champanger fountants ARE ALSO his face! Boy build a whole THEME PARK with his face all over it! (which mammon ripped off)

@dr.blockcraft6633

3 ай бұрын

As uncle Iroh said, Pride isn't The cure To shame, But often It's source.

when i first saw lucifer in episode 5 i didnt even need 10 minutes to go like 'now this, this is going on my list of most favourite hazbin hotel characters', and finishing the episode plus realizing that he shares the same va as varian only secures his spot up there even more, hes currently at tie in first place with angel and husk

my theory is (and this is based on what Viv has said about their relationship) that Lilith was trying to protect Charlie from the same heartache Lucifer had to experience when he was cast out of heaven and seeing just how far the sinners of hell are willing to go. Charlie is very optimistic and wants to do what she can to minimize casualties and suffering and the same can be said about Luci considering how silly and charming he is. She's a dreamer and very idealistic just like Luci and Lillith knows that, which is why she kept her away from him and why we're probably going to see her take on a leadership or active role in the coming extermination

I fucking love him lucfer is such a fun character

More Than Anything brings me to the verge of tears every time I hear it. It just hits so hard man 🥲

This is a sign, (great video btw) I'm getting a Hazbin Lucifer tattoo, Even the custom pentagram he got, the yellow surronded by dotwork was so cool. 🔥 Love the short king 🔥

I loved this Version of Lucifer. I also think Him and Lilith love one another as Viviepop once said they have a relationship like Gomez and Mortisha. So something seems off as it feels like the Eve theory is possible.

I liked this Lucifer portrayal. I mean, I was kind of hoping this does we had in our heads that he’d be a goofy dad was wrong and he would be more inclined to what we truly think when we think Lucifer, something more like Alastair. The only real problem I have with what we’ve seen, is they’ve essentially just taken God and Michael put of the picture for some reason. Like God I get, but Michael?

@kassidicatanag1379

3 ай бұрын

well we haven't seen much of heaven outside of the court scene and we don't know the finer details about Lucifer's history. Maybe Michael was one of the elders who banished him, or maybe that's what Sera was saying about how charlie doesn't know everything.

I just know that I have been seeing so many videos on tiktok with the More Than Anything song. Lucier, outright, seems to helping so many people seemly to heal from their own frayed relationships. For next season, I really hope that we more scenes of him and Charlie. I absolutely love seeing father-daughter relationships that are positive. It's so rarely done in media that its a big and lovely surprise when I see it done.

I hope it’s revealed that Lucifer also has daddy issues so if God’s appears in the show it can be revealed that he doesn’t like God for not standing up for him.

If there's anything I want from this show is for Nifty to go crazy and wipe out tons of angels

I like how short he is lol

I like that he and Charlie were able to patch things up so quickly. I think it was because they were closer when she was young, then drifted apart over those seven years, but both of them *wanted* to reconnect so it was easy for them. Plus, they're very similar in personality, so they'd vibe.

I notice Lucifer was playing a golden fiddle it's a little reference to devil went down to Georgia song

I love this short adorable little goofball and I’m more than happy to admit he’s my favorite character of the show (sorry, Angel Dust, but I still love you, buddy).

Poor Lucifer

He became my favorite the second I saw him. We've seen the rulers of other rings and they're all so imposing in their own ways. But this man? He's just making silly little rubber ducks to cope with his depression, he wanted to do good and backfired so he decided to do absolutely nothing at all, but he still had very little hope left even tho he didn't want to admit out of fear. Isn't that relatable? Idk, I love him.

I hope we see more of him in Ep 7 and 8. Also more of him in Season 2

Lucifer became my unquestioned favourite character in just one episode

“My daughter wants to see meeeee, take that depression!” As a parent I feel that

After seeing how lucifer actually is in the show it makes the whole existence of lulu land in helluva boss make so much for sense. This dork would make an entire theme park for his daughter

When Lucifer started talking about his dreams and in the very beginning of "More than anything" I started tearing up. I felt so bad for him

"My daughter wants to see me take that depression"

He was such a badass in the finale.

LUCIFER GIVES ME SUPERJAIL VIBES AND I'M ALL FOR IT🙏 TOTALLY 100% REMINDS ME OF THE WARDEN

Maybe I'm over critical but here's my take on lucy. TL:DR Lucy's design and the song are fire. His relationship with charlie dont add up. He lacks pride to me and its disappointing that he doest feel any stronger than radio buck. Love his design. Honestly viz's charcter design rarely if ever miss. LOVE the song as well. Again, dont miss. Now for everything else. His relationship with charlie is strange considering their personalities. We are told its strained but we really never see a hint as to why. Everything, from lucy's and charlies personality to his over eagerness to impress her to even the flashback shows that they should have a favorable impression of each other at least. Heck the show shoots itself in the foot a little as charlie tells us that lucy reaches out not only when he needs a favor but also when hes bored. If anything it makes charlie seem like she just doesnt want anything to do with him if she can help it which goes against the song. Less plot related and more head scratching is lucy's role as a sin of pride. Doesnt really fit his current character direction to me at all. The sin of pride gets into a D measuring contest with a sinner (the D means Dad :3) and doesnt make their place on the hierarchy clear or threaten him or any of them really if anything happens to his daughter...he just doesnt FEEL prideful...which i wouldnt have a problem with if all the other sins didnt rep their sin so totally.

If you consider just how evil Alastor is im sure Lucifer felt the vibes as soon as he walk in, it makes sense that he would almost immediately hate him. Its anyone was the least redeemable soul in the hotel it was definitely Alastor

He is such a droky dad and I love it and I need more

I absolutely adore him hes so silly 😭😭

I Think that Lucifer has the most to gain from the success of his daughters hotel. After all, he's been stuck in hell only seeing the bad of humanity for eons. But if Charlie's hotel actually manages to redeem souls, which it does for one of em ;) , then Lucifer will finally be able to see the good of humanity. Through redemption, he can finally get around the original restriction heaven put on him. I hope that's the direction the show takes with him.

Know all about depression. I was fortunate to find the will to literally claw my way out of it. Sometimes you’ve got a strength you didn’t know you had

Lucifer is my favourite character

oh course lucifer wouldnt hate his daughter. you could even call charlie his PRIDE and joy

I think he's afraid to reach out to Charlie so he makes an excuse to call her, under the guise of needing her for a job. So Charlie thinks she more of a tool, showing even without lilith she messed with with their minds so much it's hard o communicate

I really like HH's take on Lucifer. And I REALLY wish Charlie, Lucifer & Lilith create a whole family again. Gotta wait for the end though.

0:44 Never noticed the "HeLL Phone" bit before. Hilarious!

what if being kicked out of heaven traumatised him out of being the man Lillith fell in love with and that's why they're not really together tho? that could explain it, Lillith just being like "you've become a pathetic shell of the man I love, go fix it, that's not my job and I don't deserve to be held responsible for your failing mental state no matter how much I love you." and then Lucifer just being too scared to try and their relationship continuing to become more and more strained...

Lucifer my beloved- he’s one of my fav characters in the show so far and for good reason :)

Does/would Lilith get his part of his soul in the case of a divorce Unthinkable illogical

I think what people who criticise Lucy gooseys quick change are forgetting is that he is a millenia old being born of good, not a mortal teenager born of alcohol. He isn't new to depression and negativity, or anything really so the turn around may be quick but should have been expected.

The fact that Alastor can humble the king of hell is just funny to me

This man reminds me of Julian from beyblade. They were both on top but got destroyed and broken. Julian lost because of ego while Lucifer was trying to help and got thrown out like trash.

2:58 hey I literally just noticed that's Sera

I know Mammon is a clown but what are Asmodeus and Beelzebub supposed to be in terms of a circus troupe?

@infinite.wings.guy.

3 ай бұрын

Maybe, Beelzebub is supposed to be based on a trapeze act (or maybe an animal tamer since she does technically control a pack of hounds/animals)?? It's a longshot but that's all I could think off And since Asmodeus is capable of manipulating fire, he could be based on a fire breather act

@JasminePerry-yg6ym

Ай бұрын

Beezlebub is based on animal acts she was flying through hoops and asmodeus is a magician with the smoke and illusions

5:30 "in other shows" "proceeds to only show Jojo clips"

@vgmarkis

3 ай бұрын

Technically speaking it was 2 different parts of Jojo : P

He definitely does have a dark side tho and I’m interested to see how that plays out :)

Something people don't really talk about is how obvious and well written his depression is. His goofy aloofness and not listening can be seen as him not careing when charlie talks, but i think its litterally just dissacocciating hard. Being talked at he just clearly only hears pieces.

Lucifer was awesome in this show.

sigh i love him

Well I haven’t seen a full episode but I’ve seen many videos about this series so as far as I understand Lucifer is a really great character and dad to Charlie

Remember when everyone thought he was gonna be a villain?

I love him hes so silly

The problem is this entire arc is created and resolved in the one episode. It's not even truly an arc. It's the setup of one, and then the ending of one ten minutes later. Not even a beginning, let alone any development over time.

@PrismOpal64

3 ай бұрын

The crew only had 8 episodes for this season, cut them some slack when there’s so much more they wanted to show

@liberleo1384

3 ай бұрын

​@@PrismOpal64 That doesn't make the paving any less awful, it's because there's only eight episodes this season they should have tried to pace things better they are still greenlit for a season two and bare minimum expecting 3 seasons from what I've heard so they don't need to rush developments as important as this so quickly.

@amanofnoreputation2164

3 ай бұрын

The course of an arc has nothing to do with it's length and more to do with what it has left to explore. This arc ran it's course in one episode so there's no sense in dragging it out. All of the actual "time" necessary has already transpired offscreen. You don't start an arc at the big bang or the creatin of the universe and then explain the history of civilization just to get to the part that matters. You start as close to it's resolution as you can get away with because that keeps everything tight.

@liberleo1384

3 ай бұрын

@@amanofnoreputation2164 This wasn't just started this episode though it was something introduced in the original pilot and since episode 1 if we're talking about what's definitively canon, charlie constantly references her father not having faith in her and viewing her dream in a negative light so there was clear set up for more then what they've shown Charlie's daddy issues was there since the beginning yet the payoff was anticlimactic, 7 years worth of trauma in the show time if we are talking about Charlie's pov and since the dawn of human kind for Lucifer bare minimum barely properly acknowledged before giving the most barebones conclusion in the same episode through a single song. It's incredibly unsatisfying that all it took was practically a single conversation charlie could have started at anytime had she bothered to walk up to Lucifer and talked to him face to face, the guy was practically on his knees with how much he wanted to please charlie, such an important conclusion to one of Charlie's biggest barriers in hell should've had more time to cook to make it feel actually earned instead of just feeling like a plot convenience to get into heaven especially as now whenever anything goes wrong she now has Lucifer himself to deal with any hotel based issue which removes any real stakes she could of have in the future when it could easily be solved with a phonecall now.

Why are they trying to show him as a good father but then say he was absent for seven years?

@ishashifar

Ай бұрын

I think it's to show he's an imperfect person who is trying to be better for Charlie, he was struggling with severe depression that got worse since Lillith left and this affected the way he thought of Charlie as he felt she didn't want to connect with him either he's not the best father but he was willing to try and change to make Charlie happy

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@@ishashifar I think it’s just dumb writing, he wants to connect with her but only calls her when he needs something? But out of nowhere wants to be there for her when he could have been helped her the whole time? Make that make sense

Lucifer (irl) wishes he could be Lucifer (Hazbin).

i wait for his "ENOUGH IS ENOUGH" moment, facing Adam. when he show his FULL potential.

6:16 It's kinda funny he points at the duck Is the duck named depression And the face he It's perfect

Me here for the cynical bible lessons, so happy to have found another channel that is up my alley! !

Not since reading Paradise Lost have I strangely felt “Sympathy for the Devil 😈” (pun intended) in such a convening way, and I’m a Christian 😇.

Hm, fair points, personally i like Lucifer’s portrayal, I have no problem with it. I will look forward to see what else we’ll see from him.

" My daughter wants to see mee-! Take that depression! "

He didn't give her free will just knowledge as he didn't force Eve to eat the apple

Take that depression 😂

The thing is he is still set up to eventually betray Charlie. His depression and fall are still keyed to undercut Charlie at a future point. While being reunited with Charlie feels like a win for everyone he is going to do anything to protect Charlie if he feels she is in danger. And his experiences have basically given him PTSD to such a point that he will cut Charlie's legs out from under her if she tried to take on Heaven or the Overlords in a direct manner. THe thought of that conflict will be too much for Lucifer and the simplest solution for him will be to destroy her dreams like his were destroyed.

is the snake on his hat alive i wonder? it's so cute

Honestly if you see Lucifer’s outfit as a lion tamer, and I know Vizzie and Amazon said they don’t want to use too many real lines and events from the Bible vs something more inspired by it’s lore, I love it in regards to actual Christian religion because Jesus is also referred to as a lion (who is also apparently going to be in Hazbin in later episodes) and Lucifer tempted Jesus to sin and failed. So. The Lion tamer failed to tame thee lion. Chronicles of Narina took the “Jesus is a lion” to a complete literal sense 😂

does anyone else think alastor is jealous of Lucifer having a daughter?

Honestly got to give credit to viz for going a different route too

I think I know why Lucifer's is in hell now he fell in love with a human which is forbidden for angels to do And unintentionally corrupted the other one by giving her the apple from Eden To give her freedom of choice which created evil.

Would you say that’s his pride showing too cause of how much he doesn’t know about hell and it’s sinners cause he doesnt know them or cares to and just sees them as brute even down to the fact that he’s still wearing is wedding ring yeah he’s depressed but maybe he just has to it on cause of his pride too(just a thought)

Not going to lie most of the characters don’t blink

We saw Deadly Sins, Stolas Goetia and sinners going true, wild, scary form. Now I really want to see Lucifer as full angel going true form during attack on hotel and I also want to see Charlie's true form as half angel, half demon.