It's like logging onto a game you've been away from for a while, and discovering all your legendary gear has been nerfed to Lv 2

@Athorment

6 ай бұрын

More like your legendary is worthless after they released Legendary+++ gear. Just like in any Gacha game really

@Poglavnit_Pferdefuhrer

6 ай бұрын

I really love Grand Summoners for largely avoiding that.... For _unpaid_ content anyway. So much first year gear like the Axis coat is still viable, only outdone by collaboration power creep. But _original items?_ They did a good job of making support and status ailments gear last, and even buffed many twice to keep up with paid content creep. The best free gear actually outperforms a lot of paid gear in the appropriate maxed builds. Paid gear *does not* guarantee you top pvp. It's quite nice that way. The real downside is that there's been so much *TRASH* released since year one it's better to grind the rare guaranteed tokens than try rolling for it. One of those games where early spreadsheet investment for plotting your course *is a must!* They also have special "five star only" Gacha twice a year, making it much simpler to build a good stable. As far as collabs go, it's sometimes a little annoying due to horrendous imbalance. Black Rock Shooter was probably the worst, near end game units for no effort. Fortunately not a recurring collab like KLK, Shield Hero, or Slime, with fairer and funner units.

@shealim8720

6 ай бұрын

​@@Poglavnit_Pferdefuhrerbrings back memories, it's been a while since I heard of that game I still remember vox is the strongest unit in the game

@Poglavnit_Pferdefuhrer

6 ай бұрын

@@shealim8720 Funny nuff, he was power crept ... _by even older units!_ They are starting to roll out "Six Star units".... Like (War God) Fen and (Dark) Riviera! At least until he gets his own six star form

@AB-ln2py

6 ай бұрын

New expansion... all the gear is trash now :D

He's strong. Let's pause him for sec and go level up for 80 years. Lol

@vutanphuoc6325

4 ай бұрын

Only first time to see defensive magic, but he can use and know its weakness immediately. So genius.

@kingmasterlord

28 күн бұрын

and still he was an absolute menace picking apart their countermeasures in minutes

1分で80年追いついてフェルン以上の戦闘能力得てるの怖い。

@user-td5qx1fr3i

Ай бұрын

驚異的な殺人ウィルスを人類があっという間に解析して、何なら他の病原体に対するワクチンの原料にまでしちゃったってレベルの話

Everyone always treats this moment like Qual should be angry that the spell he developed is now refered to as "basic attack magic" but I personally would argue the opposite. Imagine you develop a spell so devastating and effective you have to be sealed because no one can fight you and win. Then you're unsealed an realise that in a (relatively small time for a demon) your spell has basically become the defacto "attack spell" that's taught to anyone and everyone learning magic. Everyone knows your magic and it's so baseline it's practically what every newer spell has to beat or at the very least match up to to be considered good. Magical combat itself now revolves around either using or defending against your spell. I'd like to think he felt something like vast amounts of pride or whatever the demon equivialnt would be in his final moments.

@junesmind7325

4 ай бұрын

This guy is a magic genius. His magic only has one basic principle 'shoot and destroy the target'. That's why as you said, every mage learns this spell because it is so fricking simple yet so powerful. Give him 5 mins and he would've have altered that spell to make the shields useless. He also begun analyzing the shield spell just mere seconds after waking up form petrification. Give him the same knowledge as any normal mage in that Era and he would dominate within a year. Now that's what you call a terrifying minor antagonist.

@jebes909090

4 ай бұрын

@@junesmind7325 in a way he proved flamme's argument to stay obscure and hidden. qual was so notorious that humanity strove for 80 years to counter just him.

@diffranticlen8996

4 ай бұрын

Great perspective.

@jebes909090

4 ай бұрын

i would like to point out that the hero's party beat everyone INCLUDING the demon lord, but were only able to fight qual to a draw because he was such a genius.

@SteelRadiance0451

4 ай бұрын

The new offensive meta to magic centers around how overtuned defensive magic is to zoltraak and how comparatively weak it is to magically assisted physical attacks. Qual definitely redefined what magical combat looks like and set up a new pillar to plan around, but he's still just one part of the entire ecosystem.

防御魔法の弱点瞬時に見破って当時は1発でも強すぎたゾルトラーク連打してくんのやばすぎw

Something I notice few comment on is that Qual was able to analyze, understand, and develop a counter for their "ordinary defensive magic" after seeing it used against him ONCE. He is devilishly intelligent - pun intended. If Frieren hadnt killed him there, not only would Fern have been overwhelmed, he probably would have developed Zoltrak 2.0 and begjn decimating humanity again.

@Longs_

4 ай бұрын

And Frieren still predicted Qual adapting instantly and trained Fern to defend against the volley. This all played out exactly how she wanted, and likely had a few tricks if her big attack didn’t work.

@ClockworkGearhead

3 ай бұрын

@@Longs_ It's somewhat implied that Qual was inventive and came up with the volley before being sealed. He was rehashing here because he thought he had more time to figure out a strategy.

魔王を殺したって聞いても動じない＆自分の技が一般攻撃魔法と言われても動揺しないどころか防御魔法の弱点にすぐ気づく＆そもそも封印された位置から全く動いていない この戦いのシーン数分だけでもえげつなさが分かるクヴァールさんまじぱねぇっす

I kinda liked how (not shown in this clip) he went "oh you are flying" And later in the series Frieren explains flight is relativity new to humanity, 40 years I think So Qaul had actually mever seen anything other than demons and beasts fly, which was a nice toutch

オーケストラの指揮者のようにゾルトラークを撃つクヴァールさん、とても優雅でカッコいいです。

クヴァールさんここで倒さなかったらたぶんゾルトラーク2とか生み出すタイプ。 フリーレンが時間通りに来たというだけでヤバさがわかる

@user-bj1cq8sv6t

3 ай бұрын

それでヤバさ判定するの草すぎますw

@KZ-dz8utNOVA

3 ай бұрын

防御魔法を貫く魔法 追尾する人を56す魔法 とかうみだして同時使用の飽和攻撃とかし始めそう

@user-jw1qb3fg5n

3 ай бұрын

まぁそもそもあの化け物パーティが倒すのを諦めるぐらいだったから相当強かったんだと思ったけどね

@LyneLyne627

Ай бұрын

@@user-bj1cq8sv6tはいはい、草ね

@kingmasterlord

28 күн бұрын

he would make 2 new competing systems to keep everyone busy while he worked on something extravagant by _his_ standards

This was the moment I knew, this show was gona be different. When an anime actually takes the time to properly explain and showcase its magic system, rather than just throwing random new op bullshit at the heroes every few arcs, you know you've hit a winner. They had a magical arms race revolving around an instant-hit kill spell and a defensive barrier that could stop it, directly mirroring real life weapons development and it completely makes sense. Further episodes only help push this even further, with the major weaknesses of the shield spell being its high mana cost and its inability to properly defend against physical strikes, so now most mages prefer to use other materials around them as weapons, like rocks, water and transmuted plant matter, and the whole meta shifts again. You still gota know the shield spell, because everyone knows Zoltrak, and if you can't defend against it you're dead, but now it's also about utilizing as little mana as you can for the biggest physical attacks possible. Efficiency becomes key in any war of attrition between mages, as well as finding creative ways around your opponents defense. It's such a simple, straightforward and logical system, without all the random crazyness you get with a lot of magic systems. You can understand everyones strengths and weaknesses, see the flaws in their combat styles and still have enough uniqueness to make fights interesting. I just love how this show portrays all of this.

これ人類が飛べるようになったのって30年前からだからジェネレーションギャップで油断してたんだろうな これ分かってたら仕留めきれてない可能性あるんよなぁ

1:22 この脳筋ゴリ押し戦法がしっかりフェルンに受け継がれてクヴァールさんもニッコリ

@kitsunenokonoha

4 ай бұрын

防御術式に対しては飽和攻撃が最も有効なことをこの戦闘で学んでたのかもしれないよね もう一人の師匠だ

When you played on release, max leveled and dropped for couple of years just to return for new expansion. Only to realise you've missed like 2-3 more and everyone around is quite a few digits above you.

I remember how I was 5k mmr in dota and this was considered pretty high rating, then abandoned it for like 6 years. Then I logged into it, still thinking 5k is high. Top players had like 10k. I felt fooled This guy probably too

@Nick66606

5 ай бұрын

same experienced here

@Isekaitruckdriver

4 ай бұрын

I think it is still high level to people. But, no longer professional tier to people.

@AADD111

Ай бұрын

Remember when rat Dota was a TI-winning strategy? Now even 1k players knows how to handle it

ここで仕留めてなかったら人類マジでやばかった。完全体クヴァールとかフリーレンでも勝てなそう､､､

回を重ねる毎に見所が増えていく。 面白いです。

即防御魔法の性質を見破って対策取ってくるあたりここで仕留めないとまた人類にとってとんでもない脅威になったのは間違いない。

@user-ry9zb4ez8i

5 ай бұрын

その気になれば魔王討ち取れそうな魔物

@suppon8087

4 ай бұрын

なんなら新しい魔王になっててもおかしくなかった

一瞬で勝負をつけてあっさり倒せてるけど、クヴァールの分析能力と対応力は異常だから長期戦に持ち込んだらどんどん不利になるハズ。

しっかり忠誠心あるの好き

@user-pk8ze7sj7o

2 ай бұрын

強者故の心の余裕もあって、かっこいい

たかが80年で一般攻撃魔法にまで昇華した人間すごいな

@user-zq3of6zu6h

7 ай бұрын

たかが数分で防御魔法の解析をするクヴァールすごいな

@shugoshin

7 ай бұрын

@@user-zq3of6zu6h 解析出来ても防御魔法の突破は出来なかった模様

@Kyadellack

7 ай бұрын

⁠​⁠​⁠@@shugoshin 「防御魔法は消費がキツいから飽和攻撃すればいずれ突破出来る」とまで踏んでたからフリーレンが一瞬でも撃ち遅れてたらフェルンは死んでたで

@user-ks6nx6tu8m

6 ай бұрын

ゾルトラークを超える魔法を即興で作れってなるとそりゃまた別の話だからな

@user-xo6df2cq4y

5 ай бұрын

@@shugoshin1:32のクソデカゾルトラークで一枚破ってる件について

少しずつ性質を変えた無数のゾルトラークを放って、防御魔法の脆弱性を見出してから特大の一撃ぶちかますの堅実で好き

@user-xq3yo8pu9p

2 ай бұрын

これをフェルンが真似してるのも良いんだよねぇ。エーレ戦とか特に分かりやすい。

魔族は力で押さえつけないとまとまらない個人主義者ばっかのなのにすぐ敵討ちってなるあたり本当異質よな

0:39 0:39 0:39 0:39 クヴァール「魔王どうした？」 フリーレン「殺した」 クヴァール「じゃあ敵討つわ」 ↑テンポ良すぎてクソワロタわww

序盤で倒されながら、株が全く下がらないのってこいつだけじゃね？！凄いよね！

When he said 'My Spell' when Freiren's Zoltraak hit him. It's a foreshadowing of how it's different, because Qual would most likely have resistance or immunity to his own spell. This is revealed during Fern's fight with Aura's subordinate. It's been modified to kill demons.

このBGMかっこよすぎだろ

For once we get a fantasy setting where old and arcane more often than not means obsolete instead of almighty and I'm grateful for it.

@shaunwu3910

3 ай бұрын

I think arcane does mean powerful because it's been lost to time. Here, the spell is just old since everyone has studied it. If it never saw the light of day, this spell might have been overwhelming

@sircastic959

2 ай бұрын

Um. You would be wrong about that. Partially at least. There are spells from the mythic era (millenia before even Frieren was born) and those spells, some of which Frieren has, eclipse what modern mages can do. In general the mythic era is the era of high magic.

@saiyansakai8737

11 күн бұрын

@@sircastic959is that stated in the manga? Ive yet to read it. Idk if i should wait for season 2

@sircastic959

11 күн бұрын

@@saiyansakai8737 Yes it is. Kinda. Though not a combat spell, the "Spotless clothing magic" Fern gets from Serie is one such spell as stated by Frieren. Now I don´t know specifically which spells Frieren herself has that date back to the mythic era but do keep in mind she was studying under a Student of Serie who has been around since that time. There are also modern spells that did not exist previously, flight has been a recent achievement of human mages and there is the obvious Zoltraak. Now we don´t know how old the spells that Frieren uses in her mirror matchup are. But they don´t seem to be known widely. It might be only Serie and Frieren know most of those. I would speculate that at least some of those are mythic era spells. To further my point, the very dungeon they raid was built by magic during the mythic era. And as we can see it packed quite the punch.

@naufalmEZa

7 күн бұрын

​@@sircastic959being able to mimic multiple mages including the 2nd strongest known to humanity, perfectly copies all of their stats BUT the ability to speak, is truly terrifying.

死ななかっただけ勇者一行はメチャクチャすごい説😂

魔族と人類でもゾルトラークの色違うのもいいよね

フェルンが強いことが判明→クヴァールの株が上がる 勇者パーティーの強さが開示されていく→クヴァールの株が上がる 葬送のフリーレンが連載を続ける→クヴァールの株が上がる まh…→クヴァールの株が上がる

@user-bx8ze5wk4p

4 ай бұрын

ミゲルと同じや

@user-rj6uc9rh4g

3 ай бұрын

ｳﾜｧｵ‼︎

Qual was OP, took 80 years to counter his spell and in mere moments he figured out a way to adapt. He’s got the power of a demon and the ability to adapt like a human, give him a year and he would just completely get around defensive magic then they would have to seal him for 80 years again

80年経っても攻撃魔法として使われてる魔法ってのが凄いわ

He probably realized frieren's zoltrak is very different since he is the creator and the fact that he should have been immune to it

@sapphyrus

5 ай бұрын

Nope, he just created the greatest offensive possible spell that even he didn't have the means to defend against. Like how weapons are created today.

@zirconia1205

5 ай бұрын

@@sapphyrus lughner said demon kind overcame zoltrakk half a century ago, I would assume as the creator he would be immune to it even earlier.

@sapphyrus

5 ай бұрын

@@zirconia1205 Demonkind would also work over the spell in that time. A spellcaster wouldn’t necessarily start with immunity to one’s spell. As demonstrated in the video. Zoltraak was studied to create defense against, nowhere was it said that it was improved itself.

@zirconia1205

5 ай бұрын

@sapphyrus lughner said the spell fern casted was different and can be considered a demon killing spell, is that not an improved spell? Or he is just surprised someone figured out how to cast zoltrakk

@yunantheobserver6841

4 ай бұрын

​​@@sapphyrus I believed it was stated, that frieren tweaked her zoltrack to become specifically nastier against demons. Probably a big F-U to them.

死ぬ時フワッフワになるクヴァールかわいくてすき

フェルンの防御が壊れた瞬間一気に質量で攻めるって言う現代魔法戦に一瞬で追いつく所カッコ良すぎる

ここで仕留め損なってたら物語終了だったな

Loved LOVEEEDD the fact she frieren killed him with his very own spell. Incredible. Amazing. Poetic. Absolutely beautiful. Actually cried

@dfallen4ngel

6 ай бұрын

Its called powercreep

@nereco

6 ай бұрын

bruh chill

@salamander0311

6 ай бұрын

later in the anime it says that spell is no longer like the original

As a software engineer, this to me reflects the evolution of cryptography and cipher cracking in recent years. Hacking, more or less. Like in this scene, Penetration versus Defense. Same old story. How a powerful mainframe built in the 70s could easily brute force and steamroll the most solid encryption sets, yet, in just a few decades, couldn't even _begin_ to touch our current and extremely common AES-256 standard symmetric block ciphers. And much the same, the phone you're currently using has the power to easily crush most old symmetric standards like DES-56, which was engineered in the 1970s. This ace hacker demon went from driving a custom 1979 Ford Mustang to pushing a Oldsmobile SUV. *_Science moves onward, and it's beautiful._*

@Not_interestEd-

5 ай бұрын

Also note- Qual here wasn't an idiot. He immediately figured out the defense's weakness and tried to exploit it (defensive magic takes a lot more mana than offensive). His ability to problem solve is nothing short of genius, too bad he got killed by his own spell.

@comradneptic4740

Ай бұрын

@@Not_interestEd- Quite ironic that his own spell was the end of him.

This short fight alone deserves it's own award in storytelling. Kudos, Tsukasa Abe.

ここで急にジャズの話をします。 モダンジャズの始祖といわれている天才サックス奏者チャーリーパーカーはビーパップというスタイルを確立し、それまでのジャズの形を大きく覆し新しい流行りをつくりました。 彼が1940年代に普及させたビーパップは現代では様々なプレイヤーによって理論化された後、ジャズプレイヤーの基礎の基になっていて、ジャズのサウンドを作る上で避けて通れないスタイルとなっています。 今では応用の効いたスタイルも増えてきていますが、1940年代の語彙を「品性のかけらもなく」使い続けるプレイヤーが界隈の舌を巻くこともしばしばあります。

アウラとかなんかより余裕で強いやんこいつ

It's like having a maxim gun in ww1 against a melee enemy, then suddenly after 80 years u came back for a while founding out that those enemies are now using modern machine guns.

無いとは思うけどもしフリーレンが逃して何年か潜伏してたらもうゼーリエクラスじゃ無いと対処できない化け物魔法開発してそうだなこのチーター

You know, if it weren't for the fact that demons are sociopathic, arrogant, egotistical monsters, I might actually feel bad for them going against Frieren.

@Jordan-he4pt

5 ай бұрын

Total demon death

@jebes909090

4 ай бұрын

the only one i feel kinda bad for is qual. he was the only one that didnt come off as arrogant. he was actually extremely talented.

@randynguyen9006

4 ай бұрын

It's just like with us humans. We racial profile people based on the stereotypical things society and the internet feed into our image of that person, even though they may be very different. Qual was probably still even, but he was smart and adaptive: most demons specialize in one magic while he invented a new, devastating offensive spell and learn the counter defensive spell invented much later in mere seconds. Hard work can beat talent, but when a talent works hard, damn it's terrifying.

@anon_148

Ай бұрын

@randynguyen lmao that's some cringe.

Killed in his own spell. Damn that's just too good.

The fact that Qual can use that spell like crazy fast and efficient terrified me. If u see it now, it just basic spam. But holy fck imagine Himmel party backthen. U can't guard and need to avoid all that. No wonder no one beat him in that era.

これ長期戦になってたらクヴァールの才能的に「防御魔法をすり抜けるゾルトラーク」とか「防御を迂回するゾルトラーク」とか使っててもおかしくないよね

フリーレンカッコよすぎだろ

0:26 ネグリジェ姿のフリーレンかわいい

フェルンの防御魔法ブチ破るクヴァールやば過ぎる

Fern be like "I got out of bed for this?"😂

久々に起きたら特技が特技じゃなくなってたとかショック大きいはずなのに即座に弱点演算して対応してくる切り替えの早さ

ゾルトラークを唱える時のフリーレンが綺麗な顔と声です❤

イケボすぎて惚れるわw

Then Fern just fights exactly like him...

なんか一般攻撃魔法の祖ってかっこいいな

Man got power crept

I can't decide what's more incredible writing. This... or the sour grapes :I

魔法学校の外部講師として呼ぼう

😂 she unsealed him, talked shit about his spell, then killed him with his own spell. Dayum, the disrespect!

栄枯盛衰を体現した回

フリーレンのゾルトラークすこ

It is my own headcannon that Qual refused to block that with the defensive spell (which he has shown to be able to replicate) because of his own demonic pride (which we learn about later).

@anon_148

Ай бұрын

He didn't expect Frieren to cast Zoltraak, and it being the fastest spell he had no time to react to it either.

Fern: Firewall Qual: Hmm Brute-Force-Attack!

なんでこの魔族はものの数分で防御魔法1枚破壊してるんですかね 強すぎやろ

@user-ku3lj3tq2l

Ай бұрын

頭のキレの速さと魔力量だと思う

When they nerf your main in tje latest patch notes

Imagine how op he would be if he wasn't sealed

0:24 There's an extra layer here I feel like. Fern saying that Zoltraak is way too powerful from the description and Frieren responding with "...Yes" takes on a new meaning when we find out Zoltraak is now "ordinary offensive magic." Because the very nature of Zoltraak is so absurdly powerful on the face of it that even a relatively untrained person would describe it as such. But in a relatively short period of time, humans managed to analyze and break it down to such a degree that now EVERY combat oriented mage on the continent is probably capable of using it. From the elven perspective, this is part of what makes humans so terrifying from elven and demon perspectives. Because humans can look at what is essentially a high level disintegration ray and go "Oh yeah, we'll all be able to learn how to do that in like a month, tops" (from the elven and demon perspective)

いやもう良い声だなあクヴァール

この強さで七崩賢入りしてないって・・・

@twelvetwelve7874

4 ай бұрын

七崩賢より上位だったからかもしれんな。 現に七崩賢やシュラハトと違って、人間に擬態してない。擬態するまでもないほど強かったとも言える。シュラハトレベルの強さはあったんじゃないか。

it shows how magic really wasn't used for malicious intent mostly, and also given the fact that a lot of the spells she finds are for day-to-day life

When you haven't played your favorite MMO in year. Then find out your broken build is already obsolete by the countless updates since.

Best Season 1 player vs Average Season 15 players

クヴァールさんは某第一や第二神座なら無慙無愧のど塊メンタルしていそうで死後もどんどん株上がりまくるからいい 人生楽しんだろうな

80年前はこの密度で防御不能の即死級の魔法が飛んできたとかヤバすぎる。よくフリーレン達封印出来たなって感心するレベル

@kongdroist4408

2 ай бұрын

ハイターの女神の魔法ならガードできたのかもしれない

@user-ty1cg2ds1u

2 ай бұрын

@@kongdroist4408 ハイターの負担デカすぎw

ここで使われている六角シールドは平面上に描写されているため、破綻は起こりません。

クヴァールからしたら魔族しか飛行できなかった時代だったから不意打ちだよね

"Imaginary Technique: ZOLTRAAK"

それにしても一般攻撃魔法強すぎんか？

@solohan4151

6 ай бұрын

小銃AKシリーズのように強いから使い易く改良され、時代と共に一般兵装と化していくってことか…

封印中に崩したり破壊したりはできないんだろうか

こんなん防ぐとかフェルンの守備力よー

取り残されるって残酷よな

Does KZread make those horrible cuts on every video with this fight? Whyy... Hoped to find a full clean fight, but no, all videos seem to be chaotically cropped(

@N0noy1989

6 ай бұрын

Uploaders are forced to cut it to avoid being copyright striked.

これクヴァさんの最後のゾルトラーク…貫通なんよな？？ デカさ的に跡形も残らんよな？

Bro got powercreped

これってこの時からフェルンが魔法の展開速度が早いって描写意識して入れてたのかな？ 1:32とか二重展開してるし

現実でいう所の核兵器が一般兵器になってるようなもんか、 この世界の人間すごすぎる

@user_deruta57

3 ай бұрын

剣とか弓しかない時代に1人だけサブマシンガン持ってたけど、80年でサブマシンガン大量生産されて一般化したって誰かが例えてた

@user-ye7cu5by1s

3 ай бұрын

ゲームのガチャで強いものがPUされたけれど新しいものが出る度価値が下がっていくみたいな感じなんかな

Like invoking a Blue Eyes White Dragon in nowadays Yu-Gi-Oh

these cuts omg

黒いゾルトラークだ！

殺意がなくても使える簡易アバダケタブラ

1:23 this is also a genius detail. He just go on and throws spells at them like some brainless monster. He figures it out within a moment how their little trick works! And sure enough he does have mana to burn and wants to outlast them (since overpowering isn't an option). I just know so many many many dumb animes that would have him a raging monster and they power struggle back and forth with some deus ex macina saving the day. Nope. Its all laid out for us to see. We know how it ends and there is nothing wrong with it. It is all part of the world and the time between those events. All part of Frierens legacy. ps. this is also why I think Frieren showed him some legit respect (unlike other demons). He was powerful and a worthy foe (who had no use for deception)

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"It directly targeted and destroyed the body" And then Frieren told Fern that using only Zoltraak is enough for the exams. Sister, I know now mages have the new defense magic against Zoltraak, but I dont think they'd survive if their body gets hit with it, yknow.

@thegreatgario3478

3 ай бұрын

frieren basically told fern the equivalent of "a pistol and bulletproof armor is good enough to fend off fighters nowadays" yeah i mean no shit it's a goddamn pistol and armor

I think whenever Freiren kills a demon, she feels Flamme pat her on the head

Fern: Avadakadavra

これ一発一発が破壊力高いアバダケタブラって事？

いい奴だったのにな

You have been rendered…obsolete.