That's definitely a classic accelerated stall. The right wing exceeded critical AoA and dropped in the turn because your load factor was too high in the bank.

@andystoybox1723

2 жыл бұрын

This was a first time experience for me with that kinda of crash ... I tend to yank on the sticks harder on my right turns , I’ve been practicing to make them a bit smoother and not as sharp especially at a high speed .. I got her back in the air this past weekend , new fuse and front gear .. she flys great ! Thanks for watching 😊

@enzok6414

2 жыл бұрын

Don't have the vulcan but I've done more aggressive maneuvers in the 70mm Viper. Mayybe the wing tip on the Viper helped? If the right aileron go loose, it could do the same sparrow? Then it could be the control horn. Looks exactly like my T45's flap control horn. That wing hardly took any impact, as he managed to use the same wing. Doubt a secured control horn would've just came loose like that.

@andystoybox1723

2 жыл бұрын

@@enzok6414 I’m working on making my right turns smoother .. I have a habit of yanking the sticks on right turns 🤷🏻‍♂️

@TwoBrosRC

2 жыл бұрын

Yanking in and of itself isn't exactly a bad thing, but being precise and smooth will generally alleviate most aerodynamic issues you might experience. Be aware that accelerated stalls can happen throughout the flight envelope: www.boldmethod.com/learn-to-fly/aerodynamics/why-does-aircraft-stall-speed-increase-with-bank-angle-aerodynamically-load/ These same principles apply to RC airplanes. Once the banked wing stalls while increasing load factor, a spiral begins. At that point you have a good chance of recovery if you have altitude. If you're low to the ground, well, you can see what happened. :/ I try to get these concepts across - it's very, very rare that a servo goes out. Most of these crashes are caused by accelerated stalls.

@andystoybox1723

2 жыл бұрын

@@TwoBrosRC niiice ! Thanks for the advice 👍🏻👍🏻 definitely going to check it out ..

My Vulcan did EXACTLY the same thing. 1/2 throttle, med bank turn, sudden snap and pitch down. I knew this jet was trouble on the second flight, when it didn't want to recover from a pop top- I just barely saved it. After that I never intentionally stalled it again, but after 30 or 40 flights, it did the exact same thing yours did. Some jets are just weird, my FMS avanti never flew right, no idea why, and the freewing avanti has hundreds of flights and flies great. The Vulcan is an awesome looking jet though, I just love the sleek profile.

@andystoybox1723

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah she is sleek !! I love the way she flys ! Hopefully she stays steady and stable for me after the repairs ! Thanks for watching ..

Really sorry to see this happen, Andy. Only one thing to do... get it rebuilt and get back in the saddle and fly it.

@andystoybox1723

2 жыл бұрын

She will be back 😊 going to call her my lil sunflower 🌻 😊.. new fuselage is on the way 😊... it was a weird crash for me 🤷🏻‍♂️... thanks for watching 👍🏻👍🏻

Oh man. It happens to the best of us. Crashing is a part of flying brother

You were flying nicely and I enjoyed to watch. Like others said, I suspect the aileron came loose. I always check and add an extra CA glue to the linkage base from PNP model because I experienced they weren't firmly glued from the factory.

@andystoybox1723

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you ! Yeah I’m going to start doing that 👍🏻👍🏻 yeah something was up with ailerons she was flying nicely then it got possessed 😆😆 I replaced fuselage, front gear , and aileron servos and made sure to put extra glue on horns .. she is a dream now ! Thanks for watching 😊

@charlesrestivo870

Жыл бұрын

He lost pitch not roll .I'd check your gyro Your flight was on point .You where not in a stall condition at all .I have this jet Ekectronics are hard to investigate.Loiks like you need a fuseluge .Good luck

Looks strange for me, but the experts are the experts...

Oh no Andy!!! Sorry for your Vulcan loss…. That was rough 😭 yeah looks like something wrong with an aileron servo!

@andystoybox1723

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks kB .. yeah it was weird ! Going to look her over real closely and rebuild her my new fuse came in yesterday .. stay tuned ! for the fall and rise of sunflower 🌻

@KB_RC

2 жыл бұрын

@@andystoybox1723 Haha alright nice I will!!!

Andy great Maiden. Sorry about that second flight. Strange what happened. Send the video to Motion. See if the will help. Cheers.

@andystoybox1723

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks buddy 👍🏻👍🏻 yeah it was weird .. took a strait dive after that turn 🧐 this is what I was thinking .. control horn came loose 🧐 maybe the Flightline blue switch box glitched🧐 maybe my ar630 receiver glitched🧐 Maybe I got a signal loss hit 🧐 and or maybe I did turn to sharp and it did a high speed stall ..🤷🏻‍♂️ had me scratching my head for a while lol 😆 going to order new fuse and get her back in the Air .. thanks for watching 👍🏻👍🏻

I'm pretty sure that your plane crash sure to that lose aileron lose control horn base!... You were flying her so beautifully, so there was no pilot error there, but mechanical! We are all subject to those bad days at the field!... Bad quality control on those Chinese factories... I'm sorry for your loss!... Thumbs-up from Douglas, Arizona 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾🌵🦠😷🇵🇷 Like#12

@andystoybox1723

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you ! Yeah it was a very weird crash for me ! She will be back ! When I rebuild her .. I am eliminating the blue box it comes with .. and I’m going to run ar620 sport receiver and making sure all my control horns are glued in .. thanks for watching 👍🏻👍🏻

@ricardopr54

2 жыл бұрын

@@andystoybox1723 I don't think that the blue box has anything to do with your crash my friend but that lose control horn base... Why not to invest a little more and get an AR637T... I've been using that receivers in my planes, specially in my new Freewing A-10 Thunderbolt 80mm, and it works flawlessly good!... Just saying!...I wish you can have your beautiful plane on the air soon... You are a good pilot, that crash wasn't your fault!...👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾 Looking forward to see your plane flying again soon!👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾Have a great day! Greetings from Douglas, Arizona 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾🌵🦠😷🇵🇷

@andystoybox1723

2 жыл бұрын

@@ricardopr54 thank you 😊 thanks for the recommendations 👍🏻👍🏻

@ricardopr54

2 жыл бұрын

@@andystoybox1723 Awesome! 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾By the way, this is the video of the maiden flight of my A-10 using that AR637T receiver!... Hope that you like it! 🤞🏾 Watch "Freewing A-10 Thunderbolt II 80MM Maiden Flight" on KZread kzread.info/dash/bejne/rGiilNCLndLYmMo.html In going to subscribe to your channel so I will be able to see your plane back in the air as soon as you repair it!... Have a great rest of your day! Greetings from Douglas, Arizona 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾🌵🦠😷🇵🇷 P.S. Subscriber #135

That stinks, if you had right rudder during the turn it will act like down elevator in the bank. With that hard of a hit I'm surprised any of the control horns were still in place. Keep going zoom zoom Andy, Jeff in LA USA

@andystoybox1723

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Jeff ! I’m already starting the repair .. I’m going to start making my turns more wider lol .. I was having so much fun lol 😆

You had it on half throttle when you Banked hard to the right and she stalled but other than that she fly like a dream straight on rails 💪 .

@andystoybox1723

2 жыл бұрын

Maaan she was flying so good !! I was falling in love with it in the air .. then she snapped lol 😂

@ojeezrc

2 жыл бұрын

@@andystoybox1723 aw man poor Vulcan . atleast the flash is swimming in good condition 😭

Man I'm so sorry about that crash. It happens to all of us at some point.

@andystoybox1723

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks ... I will try to fix her .. it was flying so good 😒

I see in build videos it has a blue box I have removed all my 5 freewing jets boxes as there has been report that these boxes on the freewing create issue and down jets . On the jets with light I only run the light with the box all the servo are directly connected in my receiver. And if you were using a gyro that could also have failed

That was like you got hit. A normal stall would be more of a fall. Maybe it was a speed stall. That jerked straight down. I think it was the stress on that aileron if anything. It was on rails before that. Maybe that turn was too tight though also. Quick death spin. Where are you flying out of btw? Glad you got back up and aren't killing anymore passengers 😉

Looked like accelerated stall into a violent snap

@andystoybox1723

11 ай бұрын

Yeah I might have yank on the stick to hard on the turn 🤦🏻‍♂️ I have learned my lesson ..

They had zero quality control when they built these planes , the same thing happened to me but i just bought another 1 and am going to reglue everything . i luv ur channel see u soon... Seth

@andystoybox1723

Жыл бұрын

Thank you 😊 yeah I fixed her all up she is dialed in now .. yeah it was a weird flight .. good idea to reglue everything 👍🏻👍🏻 thanks for watching 😊

Sad ending to a lovely plane , awaiting for mine to be delivered , Got several Freewing planes , first thing I always do is rip the blue box out and throw it in the rubbish bin ( not needed , something else to go wrong ) as Mr Jelmi has said , Freewing skimp on the glue , several landing gears have pulled out in the past with very little on them

@andystoybox1723

2 жыл бұрын

It’s a fast plane ! Handles well .. mine just had a mind of its own for a few seconds .. you will love it 😍

@louispetherbridge9754

2 жыл бұрын

@@andystoybox1723 Hi there, Got the Freewing Red Arrow ( worked on them when I was in the RAF many years ago ) Me 262 and the T-33 chomping at the bit for the Vulcan (one of my mates is going to print a tail cone for it) Happy flying , most envious of your flying sites in the USA , have to fly of scrub land over here in the UK

The aircraft didn't stall what your seeing is a control linkage failure or a servo failure the model seemed to turn 90 Degrees in a second?

@andystoybox1723

10 ай бұрын

Yeah it was instant .. I have never experienced that before .. thanks for watching 👍🏻👍🏻

Yo, I'm almost certain it was that aileron bro. Literally had the same thing happen to me a year ago. Ever since then I check everything when I get it out of the box. Maybe let motion know what happened. They might help you out. Just depends on how good their CS is.

@andystoybox1723

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah thanks ! Yeah I’m going to start checking from now on .. thanks for watching 👍🏻👍🏻 my new fuse got here yesterday 😊

That's Whittier narrows right? Off the Pomona freeway across from Legg Lake right?

@andystoybox1723

Жыл бұрын

Yes off the 60 exit Rosemead

@hankramos8663

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I thought it looked familiar, my dad used to take me there to fly control line models when we lived in La Puente but I ain't seen that place in 50 years!

@andystoybox1723

Жыл бұрын

@@hankramos8663 nice ! They still do the control line also 😊

I don't think it was a high-speed stall. If you zoom in, you were in a vertical turn, then rolled inverted aggressively. Could have been an aileron (or rudder if you were applying any) failure, or perhaps an over-correction on the turn and you may not have noticed it went inverted. Great maiden flight though....This is fixable.

@andystoybox1723

2 жыл бұрын

It was really odd ... Yeah I feel like it was a control surface or some sort of glitch .. I was doing the turns the same way like I was on the first flight .. ordered new fuse .. she will be back ! Thanks for watching 👍🏻👍🏻

I really enjoy watching you have fun flying I bought a few of the same planes you have the newest one being the Vulcan sunflower would you mind telling me how you bypass the blue box did you use y cable for elevator and flaps any information would be very helpful thank you

@andystoybox1723

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks ! Lots of fun ! I love it !! Yes Y harness for elevator , flaps , Ailerons, rudder and steering servo ... I only plugged my landing gear to the blue box ..

@markfrance4759

2 жыл бұрын

@@andystoybox1723 copy that thanks time to see if it'll keep up with Fast Freddy

@andystoybox1723

2 жыл бұрын

@@markfrance4759 the low rates per the manual were pretty good , I flew it on high rates for a little while it was a little to snappy for me . add a little extra glue on your control horns , just in case one wants to come lose .. other than that it is great flyer ! Enjoy !!

@markfrance4759

2 жыл бұрын

@@andystoybox1723 what do you think run some CA around the edges

@markfrance4759

2 жыл бұрын

I'm running 75 with 25 Expo 85 with 20 Expo and 100 with 15 Expo Maiden flight Sunday I hope weather is good thanks for all your input have a great evening

Ouch

I have had servo and radio problems that caused my plane suddenly dive like that.

@andystoybox1723

8 ай бұрын

😭😭

It's seems to me like a signal loss and "Failsafe" related.

@andystoybox1723

2 жыл бұрын

🧐🧐 could be it was weird .. it just dove

Pitch-up/down, not left or right. Yaw-left/right. Roll-left/right. Didn't look like a stall to me. This plane should have backing plates and screws on the control horns, not just glue. And certainly not just the amount of glue that tends to be applied on Freewing planes at the factory. I like Freewing planes and have Freewing planes but anything I've had disassembled, either on accident or on purpose, has always been surprisingly skimpy with the glue and I am not a fan of the blue box whatsoever. The two I've had both malfunctioned. One out the box and the other after about a dozen flights or so. I removed them and will remove them from anything I purchase in the future. Good attitude about the crash as there is nothing else to be done about it but laugh it off. The most extreme part of a fun hobby for sure! LOL.

@andystoybox1723

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks ! Yeah I put extra Ca now on my horns .. I just use the blue box for the gear now on this one ! It flys awesome now ! After the repair I love it ! Thanks for watching 😊

Looks more like the aileron hinge coming loose aint that slow for a stall and if you look at the jet spun out same direction

@andystoybox1723

10 ай бұрын

Yeah I think so too .. thanks for watching 😊

Get the freewing L-39. Goes at top speeds of 149 mph.

@andystoybox1723

2 жыл бұрын

Nice 👍🏻 I will check it out ..

@mongoose4117

2 жыл бұрын

I got the freewing 80mm f-5 with with the 9blade!! It gets down hard AF as well!!

my futura out of the box rolled hard right and i mean hard. factory flaw.

@andystoybox1723

2 жыл бұрын

Awwww ☹️ you lost a control surface ?

Your flying was good and i don't believe it was an accelerated stall as you had already performed similar maneuvers . Aileron horn separation is the most likely suspect.

@andystoybox1723

10 ай бұрын

Thanks 🙏🏼 yeah it was a weird flight ! And you are right I was flying it the same way as the first flight 🧐🧐

Hate seeing this. I such a great flying jet and surprisingly faster than I thought for such an inexpensive edf. When I first got in the sport 7 years ago, this 14 kid was without a doubt the pilot at our field. Most have had 40 planes or jets. Never crashed. I wiped out my Eflite Timber one day, he walks over to table to see the carnage, shakes his head, looks at me and says, “Every plane has an expiration date.” Truer words never spoken. I joined another club. I still hate that kid…

I think that was the eleiron because u kept trimming it alot

@andystoybox1723

Жыл бұрын

🤔 yeah it could of been it was a weird flight .. just dove right to the ground ..

Good video, too bad there was an annoying prop-driven slimer flying and ruining your sound. Seems like there's always one to spoil a day at the field.

@andystoybox1723

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks 😊

Bro that sucks, but that wasn’t a high speed stall, you had plenty of speed on that turn, it probably was that control surface, or what receiver were you using? Don’t get down on yourself fix it and go back out, double check all the glue on those surfaces the glue on my FW T45 surfaces was no bueno luckily I caught it before flying it.

@andystoybox1723

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks ! Yeah she was flying great .. I was using the spektrum ar630 .. I might of lost a control surface 🤷🏻‍♂️ I was flying the same style as the first time , and the first flight was awesome .. I will get her fixed 👍🏻👍🏻thanks for watching

That looks more like signal loss , servo failure or if it has a blue box or the likes freewing boxes do fail

@andystoybox1723

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah it might of been .. it was very odd what it did ... on my rebuild of it , I eliminated the blue box with my controls and only used it for my landing gear .. I changed my aileron servos and made sure all my control horns had extra glue .. she is a dream now ! Fly’s amazing !! Thanks for watching ..

That gyro screwed you dude

@andystoybox1723

2 жыл бұрын

You think so? I was using a spektrum ar630

that did not look like a typical high speed stall that caused your crash....that aileron horn must have came loose in the last high speed right turn and it probably came loose just as you were coming out of the turn.. ....you must have commanded slight up on the elevator to get through the turn, which pulled it right into the ground....and it all happens too fast and too low to correct ...... not your fault .......

@andystoybox1723

2 жыл бұрын

it was weird I never experienced something like that .... I got it all fixed .. when I was flying it again coming out of a loop it banked right on me I was high enough to correct it , now I’m thinking I have a bad servo on the ailerons I’m using the same wing .. if you watch my last video , you can hear me say “what was that “ I’m changing them out to be safe .. It could be a intermittent problem ..

@garyvale8347

2 жыл бұрын

@@andystoybox1723 yep...changing them out is a smart move........pretty sure that last crash was related to an aileron problem ...good luck....

@andystoybox1723

2 жыл бұрын

@@garyvale8347 👍🏻👍🏻 thank you

Accelerated stall. To much angel of attack even at high speed will cause a stall.

Aileron got loose fore sure

@andystoybox1723

2 жыл бұрын

I feel the same way ! To me something happened mechanical or electronically I was flying the same way I was flying the first flight and I had no problems ... my turns can be a little wider though , I’m going to work on that .. if that was a stall that is the first time I have experienced one so bad .. I will get her fixed .. waiting on a new fuselage.. thanks for watching 😊

@ruedigersonntag9315

2 жыл бұрын

Great flying bro, that didn't look like a stall

@andystoybox1723

2 жыл бұрын

@@ruedigersonntag9315 thanks 👍🏻👍🏻 it was flying great , I don’t feel it was either , something glitched or I lost a control surface .. I will get her back in the Air .. thanks for watching

6s？

@andystoybox1723

2 жыл бұрын

Yes 6s 5000mah 50c

@user-tp6bt9uk6v

2 жыл бұрын

@@andystoybox1723 tksnk That was so nice

@andystoybox1723

2 жыл бұрын

It’s fast ! I went 131mph after I fixed it 👍🏻👍🏻

@user-tp6bt9uk6v

2 жыл бұрын

@@andystoybox1723 wow That's amazing

Pulled to much elevator. A couple of millimeters less than spec. is better than too much.

@andystoybox1723

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I think you are right .. this plane has stalled on me plenty of times now when I pull hard on the elevator, I’m going to lower the control throw ..

🤔😕😕😕

Sorry for the loss but learn how to fly without a gyro. It wasn't you that was flying......... That was a stall bro.,

@andystoybox1723

Ай бұрын

It was wild !! Lol I probably pulled to hard on the sticks on the turn 🤦🏻‍♂️

Well for one you making your turns way to tight . That's called a high speed stall. Alot of the planes I see you fly you make to tight of turns.

@andystoybox1723

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I fly kind of aggressive ,, I’m going to go easy and on my turns from now on

Nnnnnnnooooooooooooooo!!!!!

I stay away from Junkwing

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