This brother looks like a lot like Fred….unfortunately for him

@deevasquez1171

8 ай бұрын

Was just about to say that, how frightening

@paulbowman1762

8 ай бұрын

First thing I thought 👍🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

@kellyshomemadekitchen

8 ай бұрын

@@deevasquez1171imagine looking in the mirror and seeing your murdering brother your whole life. That’s what’s really frightening I think.

@alysandraborden9265

8 ай бұрын

I thought they AI aged him up for second there. I feel bad for his brother though, everyone who sees him must think of his brother even before they know who he actually is

@Bullitt3401

8 ай бұрын

He looks like Clint Howard. (Ron Howard's brother) That's not a good thing. lol.

I think it's courageous of Doug West to go in front of the camera to talk about this. He knows he is setting himself up for derision and hatred and possibly physical attacks by exposing his identity to anyone who did not know who he was, but still he has chosen to talk about it in public. I imagine he has already suffered a lot because of his vile brother's behaviour and still he is prepared to take more.

@gavinmaitland80

8 ай бұрын

@@davedevine283 and he'lll say "Fred's Dead Honey, Fred's Dead."

@FlickeringEmber

8 ай бұрын

I agree. I actually admire him although I find him hard to watch as he looks so much like his brother.

@captaincat1743

8 ай бұрын

@@davedevine283 No you won't you'll run away and do a toilet in your panties. Brave people are humble on the internet, and cowards are brave from behind a keyboard. Just an observation.

@Vixinaful

8 ай бұрын

Feel the same way. Poor guy. Very brave! 💗💗💗

@sammyb1651

8 ай бұрын

@@captaincat1743 Zip it, tinsel t!ts.

Fred and Rose together were a lethal combination of extreme anger and perversion…absolutely terrifying 😰

@madmanmenacetv2761

8 ай бұрын

Rose was the ring leader, Fred was a simple man after motor bike crash

@tabsntoot

8 ай бұрын

He was very manipulative and cunning to get away with all that for so long

@user-er7rh7ye3l

8 ай бұрын

​@@madmanmenacetv2761He chopped his first victim up and took her fingers and feet home with him as a trophy he was a horrible sick c__t long before he met her.

@MarkStevens8899

7 ай бұрын

​@@tabsntootSo was she.

If Fred was travelling perhaps 20mph faster on his motorbike before he crashed, maybe none of this would ever of happened

@user-zj3wk3nn4z

2 ай бұрын

It would have just with a different perpetrator unfortunately

Charmaine had such a horrible existence, poor kid.😞

@tartaninka

8 ай бұрын

I do hope she' s doing well up there ....🎉🎉😮🎉🎉

@RaferJeffersonIII

8 ай бұрын

I have immense respect for Charmaine. A tiny vulnerable child, whom nobody wanted and she still wouldn’t break, wouldn’t buckle right to the end.

@theronin365

8 ай бұрын

​@@Shannon-pn1iv poor little one probably thought everyone got this treatment from their parents.

@Celticmist-qz6ve

8 ай бұрын

She wasn't biologically related to either Fred or Rose

@tartaninka

8 ай бұрын

@@Celticmist-qz6ve on top of all 🖤🖤🥀

The most horrific thing is, they didn't even spare their own children.

@gc9017

8 ай бұрын

Spot on and how can you even comprehend the mind set in going about doing those horrific acts in the first place, a truly sick individual and so was his accomplish.

Dear God. What were these so-called 'medical' people doing to an 8 month pregnant woman?

@ThomasDoubting5

7 ай бұрын

Hideous isn't it. ??

@meilingflesa8140

7 ай бұрын

I was thinking the same thing

@GymMomof3

4 күн бұрын

Aweful!! 😞😠

People should pay attention to their neighbours with children, too much is ignored and these kids need protection and safety

@beaulieuc8910

8 ай бұрын

Agreed. I reported my neighbours. The pol were there for an hour.

@salvadorpicasso1503

8 ай бұрын

@@beaulieuc8910 Quite often the “authorities “ do a worse job. Sad world at times.

@Ketowski

2 ай бұрын

@@salvadorpicasso1503 It requires a variety of resources, which sadly many don’t have. Especially in North America. Children fall through the cracks when family, support systems or community drop the ball. Having all of them does reduce the likelihood of them falling through. There are many situations we don’t hear about because something improved. And things worked out better.

@nevadatan7323

2 ай бұрын

I think they were reporting previously. At least they were very much on police and social services radar. I think they got away with it coz some of the coppers were Roses clients 🤢

Their daughter wrote an incredible book "Love Always, Mum xxx." It's rough snd heartbreaking but a very interesting read. Couldn't put it down.

@AlexysB

8 ай бұрын

I have an original copy of the first book that Mae and Stephen wrote together and THAT was also heartbreaking...I didn't realise Mae did another. I just ordered it now.

@debbiemccarthy3864

8 ай бұрын

I read that book too heart-breaking read 💔

@pain-killeryates5448

8 ай бұрын

I got Anne Marie's book "Out of the shadows". its heartbreaking

@leerequiem

8 ай бұрын

​@@pain-killeryates5448 Harrowing book it haunted me That poor woman 😢

@Celticmist-qz6ve

8 ай бұрын

Which daughter is that Anne Marie

My friend was a postman in Gloucester and knew Fred, he presented himself as a really nice man, he never spoke to Rose.

I never did believe Freds stories of sexual abuse by his mom and the rest of the crazy sexual stories he claimed when he was growing up. He was a compulsive liar, and this is/was well known. Even his one son, i think his name is Steven said his dad lied about EVERYTHING!

@lancelotdufrane

8 ай бұрын

Dare we assume Anything… contributing to such a dark individual. I believe those who are this deviant are not treated as human. They don’t see others as human. It’s not unreasonable that they are warped from youth.

@chab1rd155

8 ай бұрын

@@lancelotdufrane i understand but i feel like him having at least 2 major head injuries, both knocking him unconscious, may have played a large part in his devious behavior...

@lancelotdufrane

8 ай бұрын

We agree. He was not,.. for lack of a better term, normal, ever…Parental abuse. These types of abominations/killing machines are lacking natural humanity. As I see it, destruction is passed down. Nature/nurture.. is one thing. But all out inhumane treatment will reproduce. Thoughts? Thanks for sharing.

@chab1rd155

8 ай бұрын

@@lancelotdufrane i agree with that. Im sure that the nature/nurture aspect has alot to do with ones personality traits. We will never know how he was treated as a child or what he was subjected to...

@lancelotdufrane

8 ай бұрын

You might enjoy the film, Appropriate Adult. About his representation as he was deemed questionable. .. enjoyed your exchange.

It's not entirely unusual for a parent to abuse only one of their children. That could be true.

@LilStarfesh

6 ай бұрын

I agree. I don’t believe that Doug would want to speak ill of his mother and wouldn’t admit to anything if she did. He could have been younger and not known either

@anneloving8405

2 ай бұрын

Yep,I have a friend who was the only one that was abused,oddly enough many years later she is living a better life than her siblings but it took 40years

Doug is in denial and can you imagine if Fred had died in that crash, how much pain and how many lives would have been saved.

What worries me is how many more families there are like this 'under the radar' in Britain. I worked for some years in a Government office dealing with cases of children involved in marital breakups. Incestuous relationships were very common, along with drunkeness, crime, and a pattern of unstable relationships between the parents. Some of the cases we handled were so complex that we had to draw charts showing them for use in court. We even had complaints from typists about the nature of the material that they were being asked to handle.

@Ketowski

2 ай бұрын

Or around the world. Resources in the US are particularly thin for children and families.

I started watching this, but I just can't finish it. So many children's innocence and trust violated and human beings crushed. It's unbearable

@jannetteberends8730

8 ай бұрын

I stopped at the point the mother of rose got shocked. Imagined that baby in her belly. Couldn’t watch more.

@hopegreen9027

8 ай бұрын

Bury your head it continues today

@sarahpiaggio2693

8 ай бұрын

@@hopegreen9027 Touching response, thank you. With that logic we should all watch child sxl abuse videos because it happens

@janetduncan87

8 ай бұрын

I've watched other crime shows and this couple was notorious!! I can hardly watch it as delves into more details. I know ppl who were abused as children, but they didn't go out on a murdering spree.

@hopegreen9027

8 ай бұрын

looks like u already do@@sarahpiaggio2693

I feel sympathy for siblings and Family members that have had a monster in their Family like Fred West. Think about all the horrible things the innocent Family members have to go through and people judging them as the same as Fred,When they're not.

@gustotrankin7383

8 ай бұрын

They’re also victims in a way

@mrpleasurehead

8 ай бұрын

I lived in this area for a while. Fred's sister used to work in the local shop. When the story broke she literally aged 30 years in a matter of weeks. My heart broke for her.

@mandymelbourne4188

8 ай бұрын

The oldest son, Stephen ended up in prison for abusing underage girls.

@Greyui45

8 ай бұрын

@@mrpleasurehead That's not good at all,But there is a lot of innocent Family in these horrible cases that suffer because of what others did

@paulastarkey9973

8 ай бұрын

Well said.

Unfortunely, children who suffer abuse.. sometimes become abuser themselves....that's sad... i think his brother is brave to speak about this terrible matter..

This is absolutely fascinating. I never realized this much of their backgrounds had been investigated.

This brother is brave and incredible that he can talk about this. Bless his heart. Thank you for sharing Blessings to you

My dad had brain damage after being chased from the police a bus ran him over he was never the same after he was agressive and a complete different person after.. my nana always said his agression was due to the accident.

@unnamedchannel1237

8 ай бұрын

Head injuries change people in many ways. It’s a cruel fate

@gregc5316

8 ай бұрын

Same thing happened to Henry 8th after he fell off a horse. Changed his personality.

@beaulieuc8910

8 ай бұрын

why was the polie hasing him? What was he up to?

@gustotrankin7383

8 ай бұрын

He dropped his wallet and they were trying to return it to him. What’s it matter @@beaulieuc8910

@nicowins

8 ай бұрын

@@beaulieuc8910everybody have their skeletons. The police is just as bad as criminals if you ask me. Sure he had his reasons

From the minute Rose was born her fate was sealed. I feel so sorry for the child she was. Had Fred not suffered the head injuries I think he'd have still been an abusive creep, maybe not a killer. However, what happened happened and they both should have had to live out the consiquences, its sad Fred avoided them.

@Celticmist-qz6ve

8 ай бұрын

He would have abused but maybe NOT killed.

@jamiemohan2049

8 ай бұрын

Rose was more sadistic then Fred. Her children said this and the survivor who escaped said this too. More likely that Rose liked killing more then Fred.

@Celticmist-qz6ve

8 ай бұрын

Many people are intellectually challenged and don't murder

@markandresen1

8 ай бұрын

@@jamiemohan2049 As an adult, yes.

@Celticmist-qz6ve

8 ай бұрын

Many children are abused. Caroline Owens had an identical childhood to Rose West and age became a model citizen in society

Just imagine what that poor little girl Anne Marie felt when she came home from school calling her sisters name as always ready to tell her about her day at school and then she's told she is not here anymore she has gone to live with her mum she must have felt frightened and abandoned by the only person who lived and did as much as a child her age could have done to protect her little sister from those animals.

Roses father diagnosed with schizophrenia in childhood makes me wonder about undiagnosed autism....Rose rocking as a child too....not to mention lots of trauma. Very sad

This is just terrifying. It scared me more than a scary movie. It's so sad all the victim's lives they destroyed in many ways.

i thought it was him until i read the title

Doug West Is a brave made for not fearing guilt by association. Good on him for speaking out because imagine the crap his endured vie the blood connection

@cameronhesketh6814

8 ай бұрын

Wasn't Doug West charged with serious crimes as well?

@LordMonstrux

8 ай бұрын

@@cameronhesketh6814 no, just Fred and John West. the other children including doug were innocent

As a human from a broken home...metal & physically abused, l had nothing growing up & always hungry. Now a parent myself, lm full of love as my children are. I don't care what the books say or Chinese whispers. You are born the way you are & that's that.

@Harbaksh1234

24 күн бұрын

Thank you for sharing a little of your story with us. Warms my heart to know that some children of abuse, none the less grow up to be decent, loving human beings ❤

Fred West’s family were victims of him as well. All the disgusting lies he told about then must have been infuriating to hear.

@kevfit4333

8 ай бұрын

I don't think he was telling lies. I don't think Doug is being honest.

@davejones2823

7 ай бұрын

Their other brother was worse. The media concentrate on the married couple but forget about the brother who also committed suicide while awaiting trial.

It's a really sad story all around, they were treated terribly then ended up doing far worse to others.

The worst part he wouldn’t give the location of the bodies. Absolutely evil pair

He’s like Fred’s twin. Poor bloke

@sonogabri1

2 ай бұрын

I'd like to see YOUR picture !

@Vickymumof4

2 ай бұрын

@@sonogabri1 wtf you on about troll

@mondaynightmitch2823

17 күн бұрын

​@@sonogabri1Goober

Poor Charmaine she didnt have a chance with these monsters. RIP❤

Children and young girls so badly let down by the police and social services. Sickening.

@christynorman7288

7 ай бұрын

Yes and the social workers and authorities make it hell for the decent ones ..the ones trying to get through difficult times. Is it because they don't want to tackle the rough ones the ones that could be bolshei and aggressive. They don't harrass them and don't do follow up visits esp with one partner being a step parent then the baby or toddler ends up like that Baby P Peace ☮️ out

@user-jg2yj5yf1z

Ай бұрын

Social workers has been known a number of times to of neglected certain cases. Where the kids has died.

And you NEVER know what’s going on behind closed doors man.

Thx for uploading this interesting mini-series.

If your brother buried people under the patio having a name like Doug is a bit unfortunate 😂

How can a man like Fred be seen as attractive by so many young girls and women? He had many lovers and relationships.

@user-my5wy2eo8g

8 ай бұрын

I know right? These woman are seriously desperate sad 😢

@Swat-ed5bt

8 ай бұрын

Big cucumber 🥒

@chrisrageNJ

8 ай бұрын

Damaged men know how to find damaged women

@chrisrageNJ

8 ай бұрын

​@Swat-ed5bt there's some truth to that. Or the ability to talk ish, and eat box. You figure out how to make them climb the headboard once or twice and you could bang her mom and she would forgive you

@user-my5wy2eo8g

8 ай бұрын

@@chrisrageNJ I agree with you.. both were wackos / viles demonic

Jeez his brother looks like Fred.. must be awful to be him.. 😮

I had a bloody terrible horrible childhood i dont go around murdering people i just beat myself up .aĺl i heard when i was very young is my dear sister screaming every morning for years .so traumatised having therapy at the moment i didnt realise how much i just blocked out .horrible

@cincin4515

8 ай бұрын

Yes. The 60's & 70's were a torture chamber in a horror movie for me and my brother. Evil and violence is a choice. Even alcohol related violence is still a choice to drink.

@yolandajones4990

8 ай бұрын

I’m so sorry. I hope you’re doing ok. x

I’m beside myself with fear watching this. The brother looks just like Fred. Omg 😳

As a resident of Gloucester I can tell you this is a perfectly normal reaction for people in this environment...its mad.. Iv lived all over the country, but you will never find a more wrenched hide of scum and villainy

I actually thought it was him in the thumbnail, my heart skipped a beat!

A fooking ice cream van!! I’m surprised they haven’t made a horror movie about this

I came into contact with him in a pub in Much Marcel . It was a late evening and my girlfriend and I were the only people there when he arrived with a friend. He began acting aggressively and kept turning the jukebox up much to the the annoyance of the pub owner. While they were arguing we decided to leave. As I drove away I noticed that he and his friend jumping into a large car and starting to follow us. I put my foot down and managed to out run him by running through 2 sets of red traffic lights. I often think back to that night and how things might have turned out differently. I remembered that he looked like the the TV character "Monkey" that was airing at the time and he wore a gold ring in his right ear. I returned to the pub some 25years later with my family and the pub owner confirmed that it was indeed him.

@Celticmist-qz6ve

8 ай бұрын

Are you male as you would think he would think he wouldn't approach a man. Who was the man with him. They say John West, his brother, was also involved in some of his murders too.

@stratocaster539

8 ай бұрын

@@Celticmist-qz6ve the man was thinner and had fair hair. he sat and watched my girlfriend intently, to be honest i thought they might both be gypsies, my overwhelming feeling was to leave as i wasn't sure i could handle both if it came to a fight.

@Celticmist-qz6ve

8 ай бұрын

@@stratocaster539 I would reckon it could have been a relatively his, who knows. Your know your actions likely saved her life. Well done to you on your quick thinking.

@stratocaster539

7 ай бұрын

@@Celticmist-qz6ve yep no doubt mate.

@j12torts

3 ай бұрын

Im really interested what other people who had contact with him think about him. I wish they interview his co workers and boss and also the seventh day adventist church next to cromwell st! Im sure they did house visitations at the West house

Sick minds think alike. Fred and Rose, a deadly disaster and a match made in hell. As far as the brother is concerned, I have no idea what kind of a person he is, I've never met him and haven't a clue what kind of person he is. Hard to imagine 💔. Thank you for sharing this video. It was very informative and well done.

138k views......and only 1.7k likes in 3 days? I've never seen such under-appreciation! 😯

I hope they can post the next part

A terrible, abusive childhood can be a factor in some people abusing others, but most people who were abused as children don't go on to abuse. Also, families are not people's only influence. All children observe and experience other families and adults' behaviour that contrasts with their own family. As adults, we have access to even more influences and make our own decisions and choices. Both Fred and Rose West made their own decisions and choices to behave as they did.

@Panzer-Geomancer

8 ай бұрын

Good comment.

@martindunstan8043

8 ай бұрын

Absolutely.

@joananthony6323

8 ай бұрын

There are other factors The head injuries, the child abuse, existing psychological condition Common histories of all male serial killer There has never been a serial killer who's been studied who hasn't had these factors They've been well studied by now

@db44491

8 ай бұрын

No excuse for evil, we all choose what path we take in life, no excuse...

@derryjones1029

8 ай бұрын

I had a really traumatic up bringing dragged around the country by my alcoholic mother and a violent step dad me and my sister went into care in the end and I have never killed abused or bullied anyone so I think there is a big hole in the it was the upbringing that made them this way

What about the brother who committed suicide when Fred was arrested? He was,conveniently, a refuse collector . Allegedly making special collections from freds house.

@tabsntoot

8 ай бұрын

He was in on these torture parties with Fred held in barns of young women n girls . Absolute sicko by sounds of it. Good riddance

@jadepixie2719

8 ай бұрын

The younger brother of Fred called John who committed suicide sexual abuse two of Fred’s daughters he was a terrible man, he was a sexist coward who looked up to his older brother as a role model. He was poor role model for his son, who sexual harassed a female relative of mine, she described him as “cheeky & creepy.”

@westminsterwatcher5152

4 ай бұрын

Yes, John West. It's generally accepted that he participated in the crimes with both Fred and Rose.

The guy who plays Fred is brilliant acting. He gave me the creeps when he leered over Rose 😮

@haroldberman1341

8 ай бұрын

Are you kidding

@davidhealy4534

8 ай бұрын

It is well acted

Being sexually abused does NOT make you a killer.

@Woodman-Spare-that-tree

8 ай бұрын

Did you not hear about the head injury and the ECT?

@Celticmist-qz6ve

8 ай бұрын

@@Woodman-Spare-that-tree I heard about Fred's head injury and Rose's mother's ECT but as it was late on in the pregnancy it is NOT known for definite if it has a significant impact on Rose but get childhood CSA certainly did. Many women, I learned from historic studies in nursing and psychiatric care, many woman were given this treatment during pregnancies so probably more research here is needed but head injuries are definitely linked to criminality and sex crimes

@jamiemohan2049

8 ай бұрын

True but it is rare for killers to not have some sort of abuse in their backgrounds.

@Celticmist-qz6ve

8 ай бұрын

@@jamiemohan2049 apparently the killers of Jamie Bulger and Lucy Letby were not from abusive backgrounds

@cincin4515

8 ай бұрын

This is 40+ years of American pop psychology blaming everyone else for the behaviour of pure self indulgent evil arseholes. Everyone's innocent.

There's no species under the sun as deprived as mankind!

@ianmangham4570

8 ай бұрын

True ,even chimpanzees aren't close and they're fkn brutal.

@GrimReaper-ly8zk

8 ай бұрын

Mankind is the least deprived species. Some are deprived of education and become depraved.

@Clive697

8 ай бұрын

Those small chimpanzee-like bonobos are almost as sexually depraved as humans, Group sex and same sex behaviour is commonplace. Interestingly, both chimpanzee species band together to wage murderous war on other chimps. Still not as cruel and vicious as humans show themselves to be.

@jeanplunkett5580

8 ай бұрын

Depraved .

This all happened literally 30 minutes away from me. Out of the 4 women in the UK who have been given whole life terms, 3 of them have connections to Hereford. It's actually very disturbing. Rose West Lucy Letby (the killer nurse) and Joanna Dennehy who killed some men and then went on the run across country to Hereford, where she killed another and also attacked another man. Haven't found any connection with Myra Hindley...yet

@chloed1924

8 ай бұрын

That's a really weird coincidence!

@vordman

8 ай бұрын

Joanna Dennehy's man mountain boyfriend was from Kington Herefordshire. It was undoubtably where they were headed when she stopped off in Hereford to knife those two men. She was then finally arrested in Hereford later that day. A creepy place indeed.

@XWoodbineX

8 ай бұрын

@@chloed1924 tell me about it!!!

@XWoodbineX

8 ай бұрын

@vordman My Grandma used to live in Kington. I still go there to get my hair done 😂. It used to be a lovely little market town, but its pretty dead now and there's definitely an undertone to it. I'm glad my Grandma isn't around anymore actually to see it for what it is now.

@234cheech

8 ай бұрын

eery

Can you imagine being the brother of Fred West? I mean people are so cruel these days it doesn't matter if they let their anger go towards Fred, his brother or some other person called West. I feel only emphaty seeing this man. He's been through hell. Never in my wildest fantasies would I blame him, shun him or anything just because he's Fred's brother.

I have seen ECT mess up and change a woman to the point she did not know herself this was in 2015, staff and patients protested at this. When the doctor left the hospital, the ECT suddenly stopped. Was bad to see a doctor let this happen to a woman in her 60s.

@Suelovesboo

7 ай бұрын

I know a lady who’s husband refused her to have it , because of the damage it done to his wife . She was knew the same after that . This was back in the 90’s

@LadyCleo1

7 ай бұрын

It should be banned in my opinion. The only time I have seen it work was in a patent who had an eating disorder that worked, but she was in a mental health hospital last time I knew.

Interesting interview

You ALWAYS have to protect peoples' brains and heads. Always. It is so easy to alter our neurology and turn people into monsters, not that that excuses them in ANY way but I am sure if neither of them had been exposed to what they'd been exposed to these victims would still be alive.

Psychologists talk a load of BS! I can’t believe they are held in such high esteem. Quackery

@jimiplayscobo5877

8 ай бұрын

It's always speculation. Could be might be probably kinda thing.

@catherinethemba

8 ай бұрын

Most are loopy. I was sent to plenty as a child. That's why they study Psychology, to try and understand themselves!

@cincin4515

8 ай бұрын

They were manufactured along with lots of other community service jobs due to the end of the industrial era in the 80's. Most is made up crap but they had to create jobs.

@ameliagfawkes512

8 ай бұрын

I'm pretty sure I've seen this guy before waxing lyrical about people involved in or suspected of crimes like these. It's like listening to football pundits (which I try never to do) doing match post mortems and, inevitably, coming out with "should'a, would'a, could'a" and "we wis robbed". I think most folk, on hearing the facts (hopefully) can make up their own minds about "motivations" and all the rest. I really hope they're not paying him to come out with what is effectively, "Well, it was obvious they were serial killers", except that it wasn't to all the people who could have done something about them.

i feel mad that fred got the chance to hang himself in prison , he got off so easy , he should be alive and suffering in an isolation till his death , why did the prison staff allow him to do this , they knew he was being ignored by rose so he should of been on suicied watch , they allowed him to take the easy way out , hanging is easy , you black out before you die so its painless ,

I feel sorry for the Child Rose..she could have been so much more. I think Fred would always have been in trouble. Well done Doug. It takes courage to come forward and agree to something like this documentary..

@suzyq4982

8 ай бұрын

I hate her ! Lots of people have abusive lives and don’t torture children!

@Celticmist-qz6ve

8 ай бұрын

Many children have as rough a start but they don't become murderers

"Fred West's Brother Reveals How He Became A Gruesome Serial Killer"

@xbe1971

7 ай бұрын

..I bet you're fun at dinner parties..

@Belzediel

7 ай бұрын

Judging by what's on your playlists, you're a bundle of fun at preteen beauty pagents.@@xbe1971

@ 6’00” - Rose’s mother and Fred’s mother both married men named Bill Letts. That’s an eerie coincidence

Remember this brother has suffered also. It's not his fault.

Who in the hell gives a pregnant wife electro shock for depression? Getting the crazy husband into the mental ward would have helped her depression go away quickly. This made Rose mentally disabled.

@BrokeNdisAbled

8 ай бұрын

Right: all too many times the victim/female is quieted- either medicinal or administered shock or even put into a psyche ward to shut them down… and the aggressors go on living like an open secret!!! (I swear I live in a Crazymaking world where everyone gives the biggest bullies peace and penalize the victims)…

@joelhall5124

8 ай бұрын

It's actually the safest treatment for depression in pregnant women. It doesn't affect the baby.

@bobbypukes605

8 ай бұрын

It's a medically recognised treatment. Usually a last resort if all other options fail. It's not that outlandish, performed in some crazy bloke's shed.

@jamiemohan2049

8 ай бұрын

Tbh it sounds like Rose could have gotten her mental issues from her father.

@joelhall5124

8 ай бұрын

@@jamiemohan2049 I think that upbringing could have caused any of us to go crazy

Can you imagine growing up in that house of horrors for the children? They must of been terrified as they became aware of what was going on around them? And happening to their siblings and the lodgers? It really must of been the most awful childhood. You had Fred trying to have sex with you and Rose getting jealous and wanting to kill you? Or if you weren't her children then she'd try to kill you for that? A few of the kids have managed to get something resembling a normal life with relationships so I believe? That alone is a miracle and a testament to the human spirit.

@chloed1924

8 ай бұрын

One of their daughters wrote an excellent book about her life. I'd thoroughly recommend it

very many serial-killers have experienced a childhood head-injury, and it made them mad.......including Fred West

@kerrylawson3522

8 ай бұрын

I had a fractured skull and in a coma for a week after a fall from my horse. I don't have any violent tendencies or outbursts from it.

We who grew up in the inner cities often viewed country life with such idyllic living around the land and animals. Never thinking about the harshness of poverty. There is no excuse for the horrific lives ruined by the west's. After all this documentary gives light to family and other who grew up around them. None of whom went on to murder. I often think of the children of Fred and rose sincerely hoping that they are able to rebuild their lives and their victims are held within eternal heavenly peace. Great insightful documentary and reminder that if we ever see a family where something looks wrong to inform All of the authorities into action.

@user-my5wy2eo8g

8 ай бұрын

Satan and his demons are everywhere not just in the cities

@sarahrosen4985

8 ай бұрын

If social services couldn't be arsed to notice what was happening before everything came out, do you really think they could be arsed afterwards to make things as good as possible for the IMMENSE trauma those children suffered?

@trevortrevatrevortreva1520

8 ай бұрын

@@sarahrosen4985 what I hope is social services did everything in their power to get the kids every available support and care they needed having lost both parents through no fault of their own. I hope that an internal investigation of social services have taken place and such lessons have been learned and the rights of the children in such instances remain at the forefront and that west families have become the loving close knit connections for the generations that have followed.

@kerrylawson3522

8 ай бұрын

As a farmer I was once told by an old famer livestock is deadstock. Which for the most part is true.

The main thing i learned from this was how depraved fred was.its always been portrayed that rose was the instigator

Thing is, Fred gave yhe police over 130 interviews and his stories changed so much that by the end of it they couldnt tell what was fact from fiction. Some people believe theres still more bodies to be found.

@davidblurton7158

8 ай бұрын

the pattern is a lot more so they say

@kymrawlins8099

8 ай бұрын

@@davidblurton7158 it's frightening to think how many more there are out there their span of murder was too long for just 10 bodies.

Thats a great docu. Is there a second part? Maybe ...

Excellent documentary

FYI, the title of the video implies his brother became a serial killer 😂

Pity he survived his accidents obviously more so for his victims.. I was 16 when this all broke and I remember saying to my Mother that ive never heard or seen such a vile scumbag of a human and I still can't think of another way to describe him.. The 2 of them were just animals she was just as bad if not worse?? I understand that having a brutal upbringing can effect ur adult life but there's plenty of other people who have had the same upbringing or worse but don't turn out like them, It's like they have a licence to do these things with that excuse, There just vile creatures end of....That lady officer who insisted on 25 Cromwell street to be dug up deserves much more recognition...That's police officers brains for you there programmed not to forget anything even the slightest bit suspicious 😂😂

@cherylween4973

8 ай бұрын

* they're, not there!

@nlwilson4892

8 ай бұрын

Other police officers ignored the numerous women that had gone missing in the area. There's ones that are good at their jobs and ones that aren't.

Never heard any coverage of their backstories. Great job.

@tabsntoot

8 ай бұрын

Doug sounds like the only sane one out of the lot. Poor bugger

Fred was asked if he wanted some sherry at Christmas in prison….he declined but said he could murder a couple of tenants

Fred West seems to be the energizer bunny. Nothing could kill him apparently. It's amazing how the evil seem to manage to find one another.

Yep all these so called professionals just taking that murderers word concerning his so called “abuse” and making their rubbish opinions just makes me sick and I’m so glad his brother spoke out to prove he is a liar.

Brother looks like the offspring of Fred west and Prince Andrew

@heytigers3104

8 ай бұрын

😂

@user-if8sj1pq6j

Ай бұрын

@fifa_pvfc9172 You are not funny. Sick.

I didn't know fred wests brother was a top g in tuna fish

Janet Leach his Appropriate Adult was another victim. Badly treated by police. Had a stroke in court and taken back in a wheelchair. I don’t care that she made a bit of money out of it. Rose had went through 6 helpers who left because they couldn’t stand details. So she said more than we will ever know. Lives a life of luxury. Pallying up to fellow murderers. Not quite punishment. Myra Hindley being one before she died thankfully

This shows how complex the relationship between violent crime and brain damage is. Fred West was already learning disabled and then had two accidents, which caused brain damage. I wonder how many awful murders, rapes and similar crimes could be avoided by help for such individuals as Fred West. It seems to me social services and health providers need to become much better at intervening when someone has acquired brain injury.

@wmoule

4 ай бұрын

You're diminishing the role of Rose... She was very active participator..

@OLDCHEMIST1

4 ай бұрын

@@wmoule Agreed, but my conjecture was regarding the role of brain damage in criminality and anti-social behaviour. As a footnote to any article or documentary, they always mention that Fred West came off a motorbike when he was about 17 and that his behaviour worsened from then on. As for Rose West, you do get the folie a deux phenomenon, the weird and disturbed behaviour of one partner becomes the norm for the other. Also, of course, at the end of WWII, you had the idea of the "young follower", someone who followed the Nazis and obeyed orders, but whose responsibility was concerned diminished because of youth.

Fred was a bit dim.Then the motorcycle accident caused damage to the frontal lobe. Presto.

@sammyb1651

8 ай бұрын

Then he fell 10ft down a fire escape onto concrete. Like a mad Frank Spencer.

@Woodman-Spare-that-tree

8 ай бұрын

Add in the abusive childhood

I can't imagine having your own brother capable of such evil. He looks a lot like Fred too, I'm sure it's hard to hide from his brothers shadow on their family.

Regardless, the victims' rights must supremely prevail over the offender's.

Sad, very sad.

It was made clear he lacked impulse control BEFORE the motorbike accident.

In cases like this we always look for reasons - what we have to remember is many, many people do experience similar abusive and chaotic situations growing up, and experience head injuries etc and do not end up becoming crazed depraved serial killers. Of course these factors can’t be discounted and probably did play some part - but again I wouldn’t say you can pin it all on that. Severe intractable depression is still treated today with ECT particularly in severely depressed pregnant women who are at risk of suicide - their babies don’t go onto become serial killers. Psychopaths know what they are doing is wrong but they simply don’t care, you’ve got two psychopaths born into very dysfunctional families which perfectly layed the foundations for their future actions

@cincin4515

8 ай бұрын

It's pop psychology. Everyone elses fault. In the 50's & 60's nearly everyone had abuse and violent upbringings. None of us did this crap.

@maddannafizz

8 ай бұрын

Well, some of these points are true, but I do not agree on this; psychopaths do NOT feel the difference between wrong or right as you say. It is part of their sociopathic makeup to not have a conscience in any usual way that we would recognise.. Also head injuries to the frontal lobe have been often present in brain scans of murders and violent criminals. No excuses though, but in modern society, I wish they had checks on people like Fred, because he displayed dissociative behaviours for a long time, and let many events go. He began as a violent boy, certainly towards animals. 🙌

@maddannafizz

8 ай бұрын

​@@cincin4515 well some did though, but middle class rich kids murder too, often their families...so it is not just the poor.

@fionamclaren8506

8 ай бұрын

@@maddannafizz They may not 'feel' the difference but they know what they do is wrong - otherwise why do they go to such lengths to cover it up and to commit crimes in a premeditated fashion? They know other people have feelings, and if they're intelligent enough will know they have to pretend to have feelings which can be difficult to pull off. They have no feelings for others, only for themselves.

Bless Doug for doing this. Must be awful for him. Everyone wanting to know the details of their family history and life. Brave. No-one can pick their family. Comes across as a genuine, nice and decent man who's gone through loadsa crap as well. There's real evil scum behind the closed doors and curtains we are totally ignorant to. And it's mad that it could be anyone we have pleasantries with on a daily basis. So many children with the weight of the world on their shoulders with parents who haven't a clue the burden they put them under. No matter the physical and mental abuse they are having to deal with themselves. Especially elder siblings. 24/7 worry for the younger ones which can cause so much trauma in later life. Childhood trauma is so deeply embedded. Trauma which needs to be dealt with before they can move on in a productive life. If not behavioural problems, addiction and mental health problems usually follow. RIP PEACE to the victim's of this slice of appalling history. Bless And thanks

@gowdsake7103

8 ай бұрын

Yet despite ALL that it is ZERO excuse

@captaincat1743

8 ай бұрын

@@gowdsake7103 You are right, it's no excuse but it is one of the several reasons that explain how some people become psychopaths.

@user-ih9dg3uz5y

8 ай бұрын

He should be locked up

@TheNelster72

8 ай бұрын

No he didn't. That was a different brother, and with that stigma it's quite possible that other brother could have been innocent and committed suicide. Even if the court found him innocent he never would be in the eyes of those he met. The original West case is so warped and perverted it casts its shadow over everything.

@user-ih9dg3uz5y

8 ай бұрын

@@TheNelster72 An evil misfit bastard family. They all should b e in Prison

This is still very hard to watch.....RIP to all the lifes that were taken, ❤

'Dozy Rosie', because she rocked back and forth and found school difficult? Shame on the man saying she 'wasn't quite right in the head' when she was clearly autistic. Thank God we know better now. It's so sad to think what could have been prevented in the days before proper medical interventions and social services.

@anneloving8405

2 ай бұрын

People didn't know about autism back in the 1960s,maybe doctors did,but the the general public didn't.

Wow. Hard to believe the brother became a serial killer too!

When they arrested Fred West they asked: 'How many have you killed?' He said '7'. They said 'we've dug 12 up'. He said 'Yeah, but I'm a builder that's just an estimate'.......

@mystifiedmargot1970

8 ай бұрын

😂

@lucius4556

8 ай бұрын

🤣😆😂👏

@cockoffgewgle4993

8 ай бұрын

Apparently when they asked Rose her body count she said in the thousands.

@cincin4515

8 ай бұрын

Illiterate.

@dcole2133

8 ай бұрын

Not funny 😮

So they both suffered brain damages and found each other because they understood each other. Classic case, really.

@nlwilson4892

8 ай бұрын

No reason to think Rose suffered brain damage. The suggestion that her mother's ECG could have affected her is without basis, the ECG passes electricity through the brain between the two contacts, it isn't going to travel around the rest of the body. More likely that her father's schizoophrenia played a part if she was mentally unsound from birth, but with her mother suffering depression it could be her upbringing that was at fault.

@Vixinaful

8 ай бұрын

@@nlwilson4892 Schizophrenias also due to brain damages. Google schizophrenia and images of the brain and you'll see the center has enormous holes.

@theresanolan1157

8 ай бұрын

@@nlwilson4892 research a little more........

Is there more parts to this if so will you be uploading them or are they elsewhere on yt?

Can't watch this any more..poor children..so heart breaking😢😢😢

This caught me off guard…the poor man looks just like him.

I find myself believing the brother, it sounds like Fred West was just trying to make himself into the victim...if he could kill people he could also lie..

@jamiemohan2049

8 ай бұрын

Yeah but who knows. They ain't gonna admit if it happened. One of Freds brothers raped his niece (Freds daughter). And Fred raped his sister. Fred exaggerates but probably some truth to it but it is hard to know as he was a liar.

I expected the brother to be interviewed more .

I really enjoyed this, but when it ended they was a part 2 advertised. Where can I find part 2 please? 😊

You can say what you want about Fred West but he made damn good tinned Tuna

@cincin4515

8 ай бұрын

John not fred. The other brother. 😅