The African says "French go home"

@julianliu6553

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, especially the Malians

@wk9378

3 жыл бұрын

France should give the Africans their money back. Failing which France has no right to question the intend of other countries.

@valval2218

3 жыл бұрын

@@wk9378 👏👏👏

@aminuaidara8601

3 жыл бұрын

@@wk9378 Exacting they have no good reputation in Africa

@mavisburke495

3 жыл бұрын

The Africans should have said we are NOT trading one evil for another, we learned from history.!!!

The zambians should make the Chinese sign a contract making zambians own 51% of company's like china does to anyone in they're country

@youngz13o

2 жыл бұрын

Errr…. Beggars can’t be choosers? China could demand that because they not only had low cost manufacturing, they also had a huge market for the end products…. I don’t see anything like that in Zambia but I understand where your sheep talk and mind was going

@StarSprangledBanner

2 жыл бұрын

That's not how capitalism works. You need to have money to have a 51% stake.

@marcorubio3388

2 жыл бұрын

not true , a lot of foreign company own 100% of the factory in China, ask Tesla, Intel, Sumsung

@notamoonraker

2 жыл бұрын

Matthew Ng Except Africa is not a beggar. Africa could offer China: obey our law (51% owned by African govt, just like China did toward investment) if you want our natural resources or stay out.

The France 24 documentary had an objective to demonize the Chinese. Majority of the things happening in Zambia or Africa as a whole regarding to Chinese ‘investments’ has a lot to do with the weak country regulations. For example as a country we can simply say the Chinese can help us with infrastructure, Energy production etc (high capital investment projects). But we should be able to have an industrial policy that protects citizens from unfair competition. F24 should do a documentary on how the former French colonies are still having to be France’s pons.

@mavisburke495

3 жыл бұрын

Are you sleeping or paid," demonize" those people leave evidence of their wrongdoing in developing countries. Polluation, overfishing, deforestation, and low wage to local workers.

@mildredmaponga2473

3 жыл бұрын

The 500 billion dollars France gets each year from the Francophone for colonial freedom still beats me. In 2021??? And then France is talking. If there was no Africa these French would be poor as hell.

@DarkwarriorJ

3 жыл бұрын

Before China was in Africa, the West was in China. Once again, I suspect Africa can just copy what the Chinese did - mandatory foreign-local partnerships for expertise and tech transfer, for example, a policy India also utilizes. Plus, turnabout on China is fair play.

@popol5173

3 жыл бұрын

@@mildredmaponga2473 This is a complete lie. Educate yourself woman!

@rrr-sy3ql

3 жыл бұрын

China is evil

If a French farmer goes to Zambia and improve better produce than the local Farmers, would they be painted negatively the same way?

@flipflopsanddingdong4620

Жыл бұрын

would be regarded a saint lol

@cathysmusic4919

Жыл бұрын

Nope... China bias is glaring with her

@famandfam4158

Жыл бұрын

There is a different eye view of the way zambians see westerners and the chinese,we prefer westerners rather than the chinese when it comes to employment and china for infrastructure

West: Africa, land without hope。 China: Africa, land full of hope。

@richardobiekwe9437

3 жыл бұрын

Just wait until these leaders are scraped out. Of course we would be waiting for the US, France and UK to come in and fight for them because they know that their entire history of mordern prestige is on them. Once we have swept the continent of these client Kings, over the years, it would be like a punctured artery for those who have lived of the continent for centuries till now. A slow death.

@patriciadennis5818

3 жыл бұрын

Don't forget all the resources that Africa has

@oceanwave4502

3 жыл бұрын

Indeed, back in 2000s, Africa was widespread considered in western world as a "hopeless continent". Search for it...

@terhgasabeha9552

Жыл бұрын

@@patriciadennis5818 I have all the resources but I don't how to use it somebody help me Africa.

@azellchannel8486

Жыл бұрын

@@richardobiekwe9437 africa tired of white devil bro

France can't see Africa being developed 😭😭

@elppadiordnakerhs2867

3 жыл бұрын

they also don't want to take the initiative to develop Africa. Instead of lending a helping hand they'd rather demonise others trying to develop the continent whilst not realising their condescending attitude towards Africans by doing so.

@michaelteng6076

3 жыл бұрын

@@elppadiordnakerhs2867 western countries never wanted African continent to develop so they can continue to steal Africans resources and enslaved them. One must realise that natural resources in this world is already getting scarce and if more continents developed the scarcity will become even greater. European and US already faces stiff competition from Asian countries and if African continent developed they will most likely be out of business and loses a lot of advantages and benefits. The wave of development started in Europe, US, Japan, Taiwan and Korea together, South East Asian countries and China and now China is taking it to Africa because of the natural resources in Africa and the labor in Africa is much lower than China and other Asian countries which are most suitable for manufacturing and also of saving transportation costs. It is a great opportunity for African countries to develop with China's win win business model and knowhow. They are applying the same successful model as what they did back in China and now for it to succeed all that is needed is stability in Africa. Regarding waves of Chinese starting businesses in Africa is a great thing also for African countries, it will improve the quality and competitive edge of African people just like how it happened in UAE and other countries. Let the Chinese initiate the process and soon you will find African people will follow in the business. A journey of a thousand miles starts from first step, without it, it will never be realized. Rwanda 20 to 25 years back were in civil war and now look at how much they have changed and developed. Don't believe about the death trap, some people have spread this in order to scare and prevent African countries from developing. Never marry into too big a social strata, you might find yourself in a difficult situation someday. It is always easier to speak to someone who is in the same position as you are.

@oceanwave4502

3 жыл бұрын

China knows that there will be corruption along the way of development in Africa. But they choose to move ahead anyway because China believes in Africa's potential in the future (~50-100 years). In contrast, western politicians live election-by-election...

My god france 24 allow counter augment. They all look stun. she will not be invited back.

Solange really did her homework. Am Zambian and most of what she's saying is true.

@mwinyimwenyi

3 жыл бұрын

STFU ccp agent. Nice try.

@jacobmee

3 жыл бұрын

China is communist, and China is capitalist... come on, these Chinese have high competition back to China, so they move to Zambian, and however, still they’re already so competitive that the locals can’t win. That’s all.

@VicmundLim

3 жыл бұрын

@@mwinyimwenyi stfu cia bot

@mejerome19

3 жыл бұрын

@@mwinyimwenyi Great argument btw...you really did send your point across eloquently.

@cuteandfunnyearthlings2863

3 жыл бұрын

do the africans pay taxes to china like they do to the french called colonial tax?

Africa is the heart, the mother-land of all lands.

@newtube4984

3 жыл бұрын

Sadly that land filled with Black people

@towoawawaboofficial

3 жыл бұрын

@@newtube4984 go fick yourself

@realashandaatlarge

3 жыл бұрын

@@newtube4984 Racist find it hard to hide behind sheets these days, so they hide behind keyboards. P.S. God is black, too.

@user-uk4jl4ot6y

Жыл бұрын

I do not think so.

I appreciate France24 for having Solange Chatelard instead of echoing from their echo chambers.

@elvinccw

3 жыл бұрын

Certainly France media are still better compared to the US, UK and Australia fake news media company

@charlieting361

3 жыл бұрын

Tell use what western have done to Africa for last few hundred years!

Lol, Solange absolutely destroying them with facts

"The majority of Zambia debt came from Western countries, and China is the only one who is willing to reschedule on repayment" ops what a slap on the French face.

@morninghope1

3 жыл бұрын

Lol that's true. The two guest hosts really had much positive to say about China's role in Zambia versus what the western countries have done there in the past.

@Hope-pu6tg

3 жыл бұрын

Nothing is for free, remember this, nothing is for free. Slavery was hard under the west; Africa will soon see a level of slavery they never knew could exist. Its been said, 'Softly softly catchy monkey'..... Just my opinion, 🤷🏾‍♀️ what do I know......

@morninghope1

3 жыл бұрын

@@Hope-pu6tg clearly you don't know much except baseless opinion.

@Hope-pu6tg

3 жыл бұрын

@@morninghope1Have I offended you with my "baseless views"?? My views are my views. China to Zambia:- 'I will give you more loans and extra time to pay, WITH INTEREST... If you fail to pay, I will take your COPPER mines, your airport, your electricity supply and other commodities that you need to stay alive. Dont worry, I will also let you and your next generations work for me, to pay off the interest'.... Nothing is for FREE. My view.

@morninghope1

3 жыл бұрын

@@Hope-pu6tg Lol, you didn't offend me, just annoy me. You don't offer substance and just baseless opinions that goes against the experts on the panel. Not only that this trite and dumb expression nothing is free is repeated over and over by you as if it's something deep. It's only idiots that think China is doing this for free. The whole episode is talking about a collaborative partnership between the two countries where each side gets something in the trade, nowhere does it say China is giving it for free but rather win win approach. This "nothing is free" has no relevance jeezes.

Never forget that 4.5 millions Algerians were killed in the colonial genocide.

@dellingson4833

3 жыл бұрын

And the US colonies fighting the British and several other countries, tribes were fighting and dying for years for freedom. Then came the Spanish war, civil war.

@ntaganirasteven2231

3 жыл бұрын

U have forgotten Rwandans

@maxinewarnest894

3 жыл бұрын

Absolutely... don't forget the past. But ensure safe gaurding legislations for the future.

The woman in this program is very analytic, very well read n very precise in her sentences

@maryjaber1451

3 жыл бұрын

No she is very nervous and scripted.

@sshong1553

3 жыл бұрын

@@maryjaber1451 🤣😅

@speedbird006

3 жыл бұрын

CCP puppet.

@sshong1553

3 жыл бұрын

@@speedbird006U r the puppet of the west🤣🤪

@speedbird006

3 жыл бұрын

@@sshong1553 Here comes 50c army. I don’t like the west by the way.

The documentary clearly had an agenda. At one point they were showing displaced Zambians who said they were lacking water and then sliced to the Chinese CEO in a massive fish pond as if to suggest it’s his fault. He had nothing to do with their displacement but the suggestion that the Chinese were taking the water was clear. I’m glad they had the producer on, he absolutely embarrassed himself on the Chinese chicken story. It looked like he knew nothing on the subject and just spent a few hours there getting anti China sound bites rather than getting facts.

@maxinewarnest894

3 жыл бұрын

Every country needs to look after the people at the bottom of their economy as well.

@edwardsnowden8821

3 жыл бұрын

Preach brother, this fools forcing propaganda clothed as truth down our throats

@leslievelagonzalez9864

2 жыл бұрын

Voilà the difference between being a film maker and a researcher on the matter

Africa needs investment in infrastructure and productivity. When the British ruled Zambia, they called the country Northern Rhodesia and treated the people like scum.

@nmagain24

3 жыл бұрын

Africa needs to unify into one country and develop militarily. Unless that happens it will continue to be what it has been for quite sometime now, other peoples playground

@RDCFemmes

3 жыл бұрын

then the Chinese came and did worse!

@tangaz5819

3 жыл бұрын

They aren't doing it for free -- they will own the country before you know it. Progress may take time but it's best to earn it. Getting a Benz on hire-purchase doesn't mean you own it!

Solange did not come to this segment to fool around she came in with straight facts and logic. I kept rewinding to hear her speak. Give that lady a cookie 😂

@shamanahaboolist

3 жыл бұрын

What??? She was talking total nonsense. China is one of the few country's addressing wealth inequality.

@terekab5883

3 жыл бұрын

Of course sent my the Chinese government to support Chinese ..I don't know y everyone here is on Chinese side ..first of all what is happening in Zambia is too much ..these are poor Chinese trying there lucky in Zambia basing on appearance buy everything they can in Chinese

When I saw this, it reminds me that this is exactly what the West was doing in China 30 years ago.

The pummeling Nicolas Germain's documentary received from Solange must have given him a severe concussion... She's right you know. The scene where the worker talks about how he couldn't return home to see his family for a year and then cut to the electric fence is so cynical. Nicolas will claim otherwise but the manipulative nature of this documentary is so obvious even to the casual viewer.

Why is it that the West are so critical about the chinese in Africa? Could it be that it is because they are no longer benefiting from ripping off Africa with impunity like they used to?

@mothratemporalradio517

3 жыл бұрын

I've realised that given the quantity of ccp propaganda trolls on KZread, i could literally have time to learn another foreign language rather than engage.

@mothratemporalradio517

3 жыл бұрын

@John Smith that's an odd sentence

We have to speak about centuries of French presence in Africa ....

@dennyglm

3 жыл бұрын

Yes. what did western do last centuires over there? Africa should be rich as western, after long time "help" from Western. Unfortunately, lots of people don't have shoes on. How can this report or host face that???

@yangni007

3 жыл бұрын

@@dennyglm they have created a small clic of africans who have sold their country ...

@oceanwave4502

3 жыл бұрын

Even now, France doesn't acknowledge what they did in Algeria.

Sudan owns 80% of its debt to the UK, & that’s just interest. That is a debt trap

When western corporations go into developing nations and monopolize their markets and destroy local competition, western media talks about free and open market acess and why capitalism is good. When China does the same, suddenly unfair competition and capitalism is bad 😂

@suedi-annhamilton6032

3 жыл бұрын

Because China doesnt allow you to do the same in their country. You cant go into China and start a business, you have to start it with a chinese national.

@oceanwave4502

3 жыл бұрын

To be honest, it's very unthinkable for a western employee to even come to Africa, which is poor, full of problems, corrupted, underdeveloped... They like to live instead in luxury in Europe, in 5-star hotels...

France go home.

Solange is very good, her arguments make sense. She is also beautifully expressive.

Solange you are speaking facts.

@avaparker9603

3 жыл бұрын

No, let's stop with the politically correct journalism, especially Solange's commentary. It's nice that this Chinese manufacturer is helping build a hospital, police station etc. However, if they are making $250million in profit, and that hospital/police station costs c. $50k - I wouldn't conclude that they are so much different from Western colonialists. I also recall this same firm paying their workers only 100 euros PER MONTH. Tell me how this is justice for Zambia. Explain how this isn't colonialism to Zambia.

This debate brings some light to the documentary. Solange speaks facts.

I'm glad Solange came, she provided eye-opening facts that the Western countries never did, and that gave us a more clear understanding of what's been going on in Zambia. There's definitely much work to be done as Grieve said, in terms of labor laws, competition in restricted markets, etc. Because locals need to be protected against Chinese competition in these markets. But overall this segment has been a lot more eye-opening not so much in a negative sense, but in bringing more clarification to what's been going on in Zambia. It's clear that the West has been painting a far more negative picture of China's presence there and in much of Africa, in order to create stigma, most probably because they are losing their slices of free pies. This is all sickening, it really is. But let's see what happens during and after the elections. I don't have much hope, but a little bit is better than nothing.

@uchenna127

3 жыл бұрын

The West is trying to create enmity between China and Africa. I don't think it has anything to do with losing any "pies". For a long time, the West were very happy ignoring Africa and its needs. The thought of a China Africa alliance unsettles the West, that's all.

@michaelteng6076

3 жыл бұрын

@@uchenna127 you are absolutely right

@SunnyandNova

3 жыл бұрын

@@uchenna127 Alliance? Lol 😂 it’s a colonial takeover not a partnership

@olayinkaoladimeji

3 жыл бұрын

@@uchenna127 Where can I go to learn about this immutable right to Western attention that Africa was denied. 1 million Chinese is a trojan horse, an advance guard . Don't be blinded by your animosity towards the west. This is not a step up.

@uchenna127

3 жыл бұрын

@@SunnyandNovaHave you been to Africa? There's no colonial takeover happening anywhere in the world. The Age of Empires ended in the 1960s.

This lady rocks.

This guy is telling lie What the Chinese saying is that they do not have land But he French is saying is that China is crowded and polluted And the Chinese is saying that is on win win situation But the French keep quite on it

I am Zambian, but to some extend Solange is objective has given a good view.

@nakambokazekula4403

3 жыл бұрын

They have snatched the market away from locals.......

@johntheman9842

3 жыл бұрын

@@nakambokazekula4403 without Chinese bringing new ideas and technologies to you, you can't develop shit

@akhenatenmuriithi4493

3 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣We will never be free

@nakambokazekula4403

3 жыл бұрын

@@johntheman9842China is recolonising Africa.....

@djouadjete3838

3 жыл бұрын

@@nakambokazekula4403 in your dreams..🥳🥳🥳💯💯💯🇨🇮🇨🇮🇨🇮

Grieve and Solange came prepared for this talk as a Zambian I thought it will be the same old story with Pro west talking heads. (PS: I read Solange research in Zambia she spent quite some time in the country recommend you read it)

I wish they had interviewed some of the workers to get their opinion on how the Chinese really do when the cameras aren't rolling

@jerrywinefield2217

3 жыл бұрын

What does this mean? The documentary was in their favor. If anything that was their chance to speak out and scream for help.

@milkman9011

3 жыл бұрын

What they said was probably not suitable for the documentary, otherwise it would be shown

@chadcapitol6674

3 жыл бұрын

Duh

Great discussion. Solange and the Zambian gentleman came equipped with facts and knowledge and the western tropes put up by the two others crumbled into dust. I'm wondering if the 4 dislikes were fro. Those 2 and their mothers. 🙂

@irenezulu4437

3 жыл бұрын

"The Zambian gentleman" is Grieve Chelwa. His name is written clearly.

@casteretpollux

3 жыл бұрын

@@irenezulu4437 Thank you.

I love this woman! I was frustrated with the documentary as well but I could never articulate my frustrations as well as she did in 100 years. Applause! The focus should be, WHAT DO ZAMBIANS WANT AND HOW DO THEY WANT TO ACCOMPLISH THAT. Not just expect Chinese to come in and build infrastructure and leave. The future could be very bright and prosperous for Chinese but also Zambians. They just need to have a clear vision of what they want for their own country.

@gborowme

3 жыл бұрын

Zambians must take the mic 🎤

@kamenge

3 жыл бұрын

Are u Chinese ?

@chadcapitol6674

3 жыл бұрын

What future? A shared one ?you say🤔

@sabinereynaudsf

2 жыл бұрын

Did the community really ask for a police station right at the factory gate?

The French should be the last people talking about the Chinese, France has been living of Africa for hundreds of years, and still to this day....

@popol5173

3 жыл бұрын

The French have been living of France for hundreds of years. The rest is propaganda.

@conradknight1181

3 жыл бұрын

@@popol5173 so what are they doing in Africa..

@conradknight1181

3 жыл бұрын

@@popol5173 I think you need to read some history books about French people in Africa.. and what they have done to African in the past...

Thank You China, we really appreciate your presence here in Africa because you bring us something different. And more importantly We have a win-win collaboration. China and Africa, let’s work together for a good future. 🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳

Wait until you get the American chickens. The Chinese chickens are nothing in comparison to modern chicken farming. The comment about Chinese government support to chicken sellers in Zambia is laughable. They don't give a cr*p about the chicken farming in China, let alone those outside China.

Imperial robbers are crying. Africa is no longer available for loot

@mikefas1160

3 жыл бұрын

Your CCP parasites believe that they can establish an African empire and tyrannize the African people like King Leopold of Belgium, who treated all of those in the parts of Africa that he conquered like slaves. Their claim that there can be no criticism of their actions because it happened before is LUDICROUS: if a rape occurs in a neighborhood, does that mean that all future rapes must be ignored? The prior evils done to the African people do not justify the CCP's latest evils to bribe African leaders and steal the wealth of Africa.

@silasnelson3116

3 жыл бұрын

@@mikefas1160 you sound hurt.

@virtutemodestia3477

3 жыл бұрын

@@mikefas1160 Do you want some tissue to wipe away your tears?

@akhenatenmuriithi4493

3 жыл бұрын

@@mikefas1160🤣🤣 Tf did CCP do to you

@jerrywinefield2217

3 жыл бұрын

@@mikefas1160 well you certainly ignored the stories. The ones pushing the narratives that the chinese will one day conquer Africa are the same ones that raped, pillaged and over exploited Africa. You're falling right into their trap: pitting two POC groups against each other while they wait for things to become so ruined that all Africa will ever do is depend on the west again.

We are one Zambia and one nation.. Peace will continue to prevail in our country. We one nation.. Zambia and China together 🇨🇳🇿🇲

@rukundokevin7818

Жыл бұрын

I wish you visit china and you see if you’re together as well

The lady Solange Guo Chatelard nailed it on the head. What do the Zambians want? What do the foreign countries want?

There are thousands of English teachers in China from Canada UK USA and Australia, it’s not a problem about they are all from developed countries or top rich countries, if they follow the local laws and rules.

@mavisburke495

3 жыл бұрын

Where have the Chinese follow other countries' laws? They disobey international laws daily.

@84allx79

3 жыл бұрын

@@mavisburke495 that’s so nonsense, show out the crime report, otherwise you are a disgusting racist.

@rag7027

3 жыл бұрын

@@mavisburke495 just a salty racist who can’t see China doing well.

Solange Guo pointed out the " grey images" in these videos. This is always the western media way of negatively painting whatever concern about Chinese or China.

@angusyoung1448

3 жыл бұрын

That's so true: Grey images and sad background music.

The former French colonies in Africa, tend to be the least developed. China is not the only one. Japan, India, Israel, and now Turkey are all joining China into Africa. The last time I was in Africa, I saw the Chinese building roads, and buildings at all times of day and night. I have never seen Greeks, Germans, Italians, Lebanese, French, Israelis, etc, working from Sunday to Sunday at all hours of the day in Africa.

I applaud France24 for having such a balanced debate about China and Zambia. I feel sorry for the producer of the "Zambia under the influence of China" because the 2 experts literally destroyed his documentary saying it totally misrepresented the situation on the ground in Zambia.

@aznpetyaw

3 жыл бұрын

The show actually was anti China if you watch carefully. The producers basically made the Chinese look like colonizers in Africa. If we watch carefully, they show the Chinese have power over the Africans in every labor encounter, and the workers are not happy under chinese factory life.

@mildredmaponga2473

3 жыл бұрын

@@aznpetyaw well I saw both but word on ground is that Zambians are not happy and one of these days it may not be good for the Chinese. The locals should stay happy with the visitor. As far a I know the Chinese also have very little respect of the Africans despite Africa giving them a much better prospect to life and health. I have seen with my own eyes this treatment of Africans as lesser people. I know Chinese treatment of Africans is borrowed from the West but one of these days things will come full circle.

I’m glad Angolan government opened the eyes.

@joaobaptista8377

3 жыл бұрын

a serio como diga me

@belinhaoliveira8566

3 жыл бұрын

Angola?? Serious??

@belinhaoliveira8566

3 жыл бұрын

O governo Angolano também pertence a este culto de IGNORANTES, LADROÊS, CORRUPTS , que deixam os estrangeiros roubarem o país.🇦🇴

@MenteLiberta1980

3 жыл бұрын

Portugal controla Angola 🇦🇴!

The chicken sellers are completely missing the issue with their arguments. The Chinese farmers filled a market demand/need for smaller, cheaper chickens.

@casteretpollux

3 жыл бұрын

I know a farmer who could make more from selling his lambs in spring when they are small but says they deserve to have a bit of life.

@user-rc9qi6yp6k

3 жыл бұрын

They are missing nothing. People are buying the smaller chickens not because they want smaller chickens but because they are cheaper. Its chicken dumping which is being controlled by foreigners who were barred from doing so but they found loopholes

@user-rc9qi6yp6k

3 жыл бұрын

@Kevin Tewey still, the immigrants' government is in full knowledge of their activities and if they were against it trust me action would have been taken a long time ago, ask HK...

@taichiwinchester1102

3 жыл бұрын

@@user-rc9qi6yp6k Then start selling your chickens earlier too and compete. If you refuse to learn from other people's success you'll always be a loser.

@taichiwinchester1102

3 жыл бұрын

​@Kevin Tewey China ditched communism for the good. There's just no competitions in communist economies and your country will lag behind of the capitalist powers so much so that eventually your country become a joke.

Such propaganda. Notice their videos. It shows small towns that look mediocre and never showing the nice areas of Africa.

China has developed Zambia in just a feel years since they came in. The west colonized Zambia for decades and all they did was bulshit and took all resources minus developing the country. Africa has fed the west and it still does. You can argue with it and go to hell. We Africans prefer the chinese policy compared to colonials.

I completely disagree with the Chinese woman saying “Zambia is the poorest country in the world”🤬🤬🤬

@upendo.3570

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah but she said it's one of the poorest .

Solange is a slight bit too objective in her assesment in my opinion, but is definitely unbiased! A really good person to have in this discussion!

@williammakena9817

3 жыл бұрын

Totally agree with you. Even the Zambian speak the truth

@zoho6992

3 жыл бұрын

may be unbiased , but no knowledge of market. at ground level

Good point she is making there at 28:35 that the normal viewer will not be able to distinguish which is the CHINA STATE Investment, China private citizen investment, or China private company investment. To the normal viewer, all is the CHINA STATE.

@tjmarx

3 жыл бұрын

Who are these normal viewers who can't tell the difference between an individual pig farmer talking about his individual struggles/hopes/dreams, and a global superpower? The average viewer can tell that difference.

I love you Solange,thanks for being so positive in your speach.

This is a Zambian government regulation issue. An economy that doesn't seek to protect itself from foreign " invasion" is a failure. Tariff must be imposed somehow. Also, what is the mindset of the Zambians who do not support their own economy?

china protects it economy, Zambia needs to protect its economy. try doing that in china they will raise up.

@mrrasbumboclat4120

3 жыл бұрын

is it me or do they sound scared to criticize china.

@mrrasbumboclat4120

3 жыл бұрын

all the money will be leaving Zambia.

@angulaaagula5926

3 жыл бұрын

@@mrrasbumboclat4120 We can't compete with them because we grow our chickens until mature... We don't eat raw food or raw chicken which are not cooked properly.. We cook we don't boil foods! Secondly you can't come to my house and starts to make me eat uncooked foods properly... ON the other hand Zambia needs Chinese and Chinese needs blacks... THE only way China has to respects the Zambians law! Besides Zambia won't harm Chinese... Is that Chinese they doing what Zambians do not like.... Zambians are super natural people do not like chimicals.... Nature can fertilizer on its selfs

@angulaaagula5926

3 жыл бұрын

@@mrrasbumboclat4120 Africa and Zambia needs own bank... If China do not take that money to make itself rich from Zambia Africa won't have it either... Cause do not have own independent bank from colonials... Africa belong to original people please.... Give respect to that...

@angulaaagula5926

3 жыл бұрын

@@mrrasbumboclat4120 Why blame China, Chinese taking all the money from Zambia? Yet France is doing the same.... Is all also taking millions and billions....OF Africans? You are all doing the same...🛌🛀

The Chinese are hard working people and creating job opportunities,we Africans should learn to use our resources and compete instead of complaining

@irenezulu4437

3 жыл бұрын

the best comment so far. We like to blame, blame, blame. We need to stop complaining and take charge.

@andrewlim7751

3 жыл бұрын

The Chinese started by making tiles, it became the world biggest tiles supplier even beating the Italians on quality and price, I know because I import tiles.

Two take aways from here; firstly Solange was running the show with good insights, secondly We Zambia and Africa in general can only blame ourselves. Since they have come, we MUST learn from them technical know-hows.

Why the western world just leave Africa alone? They used to colonize Africa, and history shows they did much worse things than good in Africa. I think before the western world criticise what is good for Africa. They should return all the artifacts and relics in their museums that are taken from Africa, back to the Africa people.

When Chinese competed with foreigner back in 80’s, they said same thing: I want them to go! But at end of the day, foreigners brought new technologies and pushed Chinese

@angusyoung1448

3 жыл бұрын

China still has sweatshop working condition to produce things consumed by the west. Foxconn (Apple's supplier) even puts a net in worker's dormitory to prevent over-stressed workers from suicide. Chinese endured the hardship and moved on to build better future. Nowadays most of Chinese families are able to afford one or two cars per household. Vietnam and Bangladesh are following the same steps Chinese took. In Africa, only Ethiopians appreciate investment and follow long-term development path taken by many Asian countries.

The guy who made the document was so destroyed on France 24. His works appears to be misleading and biased and therefore should be somewhat discredited. Maybe that's why he was showing a poker face during the last 20 minutes.

@butchfils9464

3 жыл бұрын

😄😄

I will choose the Chinese over westerners any day. The Chinese are building our continent, we doing great beneficial business together. So i welcome more Chinese to our beloved continent.

@bookie-and-friends

3 жыл бұрын

You choose them but at what cost? Do you really think they are gifting these things to you because they like you? No , they gift you with these things because one it benefits them. Secondly they do this because someday they will be coming to collect on the "Gifts" they gave you and you will not be able to pay. Why cant our people manufacture and cultivate their own resources instead of working for others who come in and take over your resources and mistreat you in the process. Their agenda is not in the interest of the people .

That why they have killed president magufure of Tanzania. They said black man is not good enough to become a good leader

@mildredmaponga2473

3 жыл бұрын

Yep. And Africans are always left with sell out leaders. We only needed 4 more Magufulis to change the stage. I like the Ghana president. He seems a little better than old usual. I definitely hate the Zimbabwe leader. He's the worst of them all in my eyes.

The copper miner said see my wage of 2906, I guess that was per month in zambian currency. Many thanks to your transparency - France 24

@ericklaura7511

3 жыл бұрын

That is 250usd per month, I had been to Zambia too

@mildredmaponga2473

3 жыл бұрын

@@ericklaura7511 😥😥

Woah How did Chinese in Zambia move from 100,000 to 1 million+🙆🏻‍♀️💀

@kingofglorywarrior31

3 жыл бұрын

Oh lord. They are people yet they hate black people in their country. But in Africa we don't hate them. Lord give us grace

@freeworld2275

3 жыл бұрын

Probably be 30 million by 2030 and they will outnumber the Zambians. The natives will have to work for Chinese smdh

@popol5173

3 жыл бұрын

@@freeworld2275 They will call it a win-win deal

@freeworld2275

3 жыл бұрын

@@popol5173 It's a win-win for the Chinese, pretending to give jobs to Africans while they get the land,resources, and eventually the country

@jonathanfernandez4222

3 жыл бұрын

That's why Africa has to hasten to institute policy to curb the flood of Chinese nationals in their lands before they find themselves out numbered on their own lands. Because that's when the tables would have turned permanently against the Africans. God bless the motherland.

Why chinese can produce so cheap goods everywhere! That is the question! When you understood that, all problem resolve! Competition of culture, mentality!

To summarize...China is a better business partner...They are more willing to listen and help the country on what they need...Open and improvise to revise agreements in the interest how to help each other benefit rather than no you have to pay up now...

Just look at those two Chinese overlords looking over those African workers toiling right under them, jokingly commenting about the situation. Seems perverse to me...

@popol5173

3 жыл бұрын

And to see Africans rejoice about that is the really sad part.

@Rudenbehr

3 жыл бұрын

@@popol5173 because the alternative is unemployment

So Lange means "come and show" in one of our local languages. True to the word, you came to show. You have done your research. I would love to read more of your research.

@chilekwainc6059

3 жыл бұрын

Isa nkulange?

France 24 hours should come to Brazil to see how the americans , french , germans companies behaves with our poor people . I'm 70 years old and I can't remember any good fair relations at all with the workers . Actually Fiat had spies between workers during the 64 / 85 dictatorship , handing over information to the political police, who threatened and tortured them.

China keeps building malls, shopping centres in most countries with its citizens with Chinese owned stores. If it were for the good, why not just support local businesses? Purchase from them? That is how you empower the Natives.

@deniseb3922

3 жыл бұрын

Well said

Solanged could have freed the Ever Given using only the power of her words.

Solange, you are God-sent! God bless you always!

rofl getting slap back in their own show 😂😂 that lady owns them

Good debate, super quality indeed and gentlemen in it are as good as the lady in terms of graceful and eloquent mannerism. Looking forward to the full length documentary.

The British dude is hilarious...

Africa, can't buy foreign land, but big countries can by African land?

Well the lady explains it very well but it is a Chinese strategy to lower the price first so that all of your local producers will stop producing because they cannot compete with the Chinese. Once there are no more competition they will start to raise the price of the chicken. Don't be fooled. Support your own industry. Buy the products of your countrymen because it's like giving them jobs.

@wuduo1230

3 жыл бұрын

It's every company's strategy. Lowering price to gain market share. It's so call competition.

@CherasKLproperty

3 жыл бұрын

African has to learn to be competitive... The world give no mercy on competition.

@loinslove5853

2 жыл бұрын

And buy the leaders and the military for cheep

Kindly add cc please it is easy to understand

@8:00 the chicken stories is a stupid one: I grew up in China and saw this first hand; in the late 1980s and early 1990s, Taiwanese/Philipino farmers came to mainland China and began to set up chicken farms across my provinces: it was a devasting blow to Chinese farmer since that most of Chinese chicken at the time were considered organic farmed (typical size is a couple hundred chicken per farm); consequently, the Chinese farmers were not able to compete against them because their chicken was cheaper and the growth cycle was shorter. So the Chinese farmers began to work for and learn from their opponents and diversify the chicken economy: they started similar industrial farms to compete against the Taiwanese farms: they sourced the baby chicken from American, and they bought American grow mix since that they are modified for the Chinese market. About 2000, some farmers discovered free-range/bio chickens can be sold at 4 times the price of farmed chicken so they began to rent out mountains to raise free-range/ bio chicken for the rich. I remembered China was afraid all our companies might die after joining WTO: one of the arguments at the time was that our agricultural technology is inferior to Europe and the USA; our steel industry was inferior to Japanese and Korean. Just let me tell everyone one thing: my company used to source all our raw material from USA; however, over the last 3 years we began to source from Chinese local provider and phase out American from our supply chain; we find out Chinese Titanium producer is IMPROVING EVERY YEAR in terms of Q/A and last year they are on par with American for corrosion/fatigue-related performance which they spent the last 20 years perfecting their crafts to reach "implant" grade. I always find people who argue for "stick to what my ancestor did" tend to be stupid/dumb ones: they think people don't change to adapt to survive.

@mildredmaponga2473

3 жыл бұрын

You may have a point but one thing I know a lot of industries flooded your country from the USA leaving the US with no manufacturing whatsoever. A lot of skills was also transferred to China and a lot of Chinese living in the USA came back home to help develop. China never let visitors get land permits and mine stuff. When I lived in China, all Chinese markets were filled with Chinese traders. I never saw small shops run by foreigners in China. China was good setting up boundaries for foreigners something not happening in Africa. When it did - Tanzania for instance the President showed up dead. That's the difference.

The main reason they are in Africa is because it is too competitive for them in China and they stand a much better chance in African countries. It is not because of pollution or any negative government programme. It is just like those westerners that leave their country and go to other countries to find jobs because it either pays better or is less competitive.

@michaelteng6076

3 жыл бұрын

@Ike Naija thanks I appreciate it

Chinese are hard working and good in business same as in the old past centuries.

@ajokeemmanuel4649

3 жыл бұрын

They are indeed! Taking over the country, well done Zambia. Keep selling your birthright. "The visitor that is invited that became the homeowners". Goodluck Zambia!

@taichiwinchester1102

3 жыл бұрын

@@ajokeemmanuel4649 Stop lying and demonizing China. China's birth rate is so low that its population will reduce by 50% by 2100. Sub Saharan African countries' birth rates are leading the world, followed by central Asia, the Philippines, the middle east and Latin America.

@freedomfighter6714

3 жыл бұрын

CCP is evil and keeps on grabbing lands and murdering people - the lust of power is super....the fruit doesn't fall far from the tree. Few exemptions though... good luck!!!

@mildredmaponga2473

3 жыл бұрын

@@ajokeemmanuel4649 💯👌

@NatureHealsUs

3 жыл бұрын

HE"S A CCP

Good session France 24. Informative and great guests. I don’t think the producer meant ill will since there are both sides, I still appreciate him looking into the matter since China, or anyone for that matter, needs to be accountable. These well informed sessions and debates are what the French needs to identify the real issues into order to better compete and formulate effective policies.

Zambia people if you don't want to be taken advantage by other countries , you really need to do your home works.

This video also forgets to mention how easy it is for Chinese small farmers to get loans .......Zambians can`t even dream of getting a business loan without crazy interest !

@angusyoung1448

3 жыл бұрын

Are you implying Zambians have low credit scores? That's so mean.

the China lady obviously speaks for Chinese here

@pyrat3538

3 жыл бұрын

refreshing. western media lies so much nowadays, so much agenda. not everything is nice and fun with the chinese but why so much biased propaganda, it would be enough to point out the bad things but no need to lie so much, these whole made up stories that are coming out of whatever western thinktanks will come back haunting one day, one should not lose the moral high grounds

@angusyoung1448

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, it is hard to swallow for you.

Yes China is filling a gap left by western companies but don't loose site of China being an aggressive authoritarian regime and will expect support from these developing countries in exchange for help. But also now there are western companies in Africa with a social conscience to help develop Africa. Nationalising resources is essential to prevent foreign exploitation.

@dzhou102684able

3 жыл бұрын

Agree, there's no free lunch in the world, every country has their agenda, to gain something you gotta give up something, just depends on if the government think it's worth it or not. You'd lose your house if you declare bankruptcy, but you don't see people blaming the bank for that, so it's a give and take situation. It's up to the government to properly use the funds and resources in order to lift itself out of poverty.

Thank you Solange and Grieve for their clarification and clear explaination.

Pull out! Zambia wake up!

The girl didn't know that the Chinese were using highly GMO corn feds for the chickens bought from USA.

The government needs to look out for their people. The Chinese know selling their products cheaper will take away customers from the natives.

Such a nice debate and am glad to see that the discussion was based on objective reality and of course with 'look east policy' and the old western terminology of 'suspious little chinese man up to something'. But what can be said is that states regardless of what state (democracy or authoritarian) are self-oriented and as Zambia a nation I call home heads towards economic development (I believe every country is on a path of development and what determines is it's pace of development), we needs to master the globe politics and economics between the western (lead by the US-EU) hemisphere and eastern hemisphere (lead by China and India). And at the end of the day, the mindset of trickle down economics in relations to China's growth won't drain down to man or woman as well as a youth in Malambwa village hoping for a better future today. As such a Zambian - Africa oriented approach, one based on culture of Ubuntu and the economic model that would compete on a 21 century world order. And one more thing the chinese selling chicken was actually big deal amongst locals in the country's capital and not necessarily a 'western driven tropers' as pointed by Solange Guo Chatelard lol. All in all It was an enlightening interaction from both panelists I would say.

What about the Zambians themselves? It can not be right for one nation to completley overwhelm another nation liked china is doing to Zambia...it was not rihht when the west did it and it is still not right today. Africa and her people have gone through allot already for hundreds of years, the last thing she(Africa) needs is another colonizer...God have mercy on Africa😔

@chriswhite3692

2 жыл бұрын

Except the Chinese aren't colonizing. They are immigrating and building.

As a Zambian watching this, the only thing unsatisfying about the Chinese dominance in Zambia is the luck of transparency in the manner in which the economy is being run. The Zambian govt should man up and dictate their own terms when indulging themselves in international relations and most importantly keep foreigners in check so as not to dominate the local market e.g anything that is accessible in Zambia should never be imported.

Eye-opening and jaw-dropping discourse! Very Objective! More on this please. Thank you

The French has banana monopoly in Cameron. Dutch control chocolate in Ghana. WESTERN MSM NEVER SHOWED CONCERN with exploitation against native people of those countries. Suddenly Europe is deeply concerned with Africans chicken farmers. Dear oh dear

to be fair, china has considered many african nations as their closest friends for a while. mugabee loves them lol for example

@user-rc9qi6yp6k

3 жыл бұрын

A nation's leader doesn't represent the concerns or interests of the whole nation. I understand your confusion, African leaders run their countries like a personal entity.

@raskltube

3 жыл бұрын

@@user-rc9qi6yp6k maybe china should just withdraw investments from Africa, I mean seemingly if you ask an African randomly off the street what they think of China or worse still Chinese people right, you be lucky to find a black man who doesn't hold scorn for them. Furthermore while it clear that Africa is characterised by what seems like inevitable instability, what is less spoken of, is the taboo custom of failing to keep its side of the bargain..

@user-rc9qi6yp6k

3 жыл бұрын

@@raskltube if the investments are the reason for what causes them to behave in a way that results many Africans to hold so much disdain for them then so be it because there is no smoke without fire right. You do have a point on Africans not insuring that the deals they sign leave them favorably disposed but it only speakes to the point i mentioned earlier which is African leaders sign those deals in their personal capacity and not as a leader who considers the future generation or any repercussions because they wont be there to face them.

@raskltube

3 жыл бұрын

@@user-rc9qi6yp6k if much of the investment is private, then what case is there that china ie the country, is somehow covertly recolonising the continent?

For how long has France live in Africa?

@aminuaidara8601

3 жыл бұрын

Many many years stealing from poor African

China is benefiting so much more than they are giving back building a police post which manned by Chinese to take advantage of the locals is like spending a penny. Rise of leaders who have the people's interest at heart.

Well said solange

Legislate limits on foreign investment and their marketshare. Name it anti Chinese if you have to but lines need to be drawn it seems