Obviously in the time it took to edit and upload this video, the Kickstarter got updated with more stretch goals. We can check back in later to see any more models that are added!

@ravenniwolvarious8801

2 ай бұрын

Arse cloak has my vote.

@Believer1980

2 ай бұрын

Might be worth doing a quick follow up, Elspeth and Grimhilde look very tasty to me. I doubt they will hit all the stretch goals, but if they do, £62 for 8 character level models, plus a alternate build for one of them and 2 smaller models for free, is still a great deal.

@margaretwood152

2 ай бұрын

(🤔) John Blanche-designed *_Models❓_* Let~me-Think-about~it --> *_YES_* (Take all our 💵Moneys💵)

@necro5000

2 ай бұрын

The 'ö' Mörderin is pronounced like the 'ea' in earth btw :P

I agree with the general criticism that the miniatures seem to have lost the charm and feel of the illustrations that are based on. Texture aside, the proportions of the miniatures do not match the illustrations at all and have a chunkiness to them that makes it look like they were made on HeroForge. They're very "safe". I feel these would have been much better if Blanche had nabbed some modellers from Bestiarum Miniatures, who I feel would have excelled more in bringing the original illustrations to life.

@vista4043

2 ай бұрын

100% agree, pretty disappointed. These just look like every other "grimdark pinup" STL you can find online. Really wish they had more character.

@MrSJPowell

2 ай бұрын

Honestly? I didn't want to agree, but yeah. I won't say I'm disappointed, but this feels like it should have been done in something that allows more fine detail (like old school cast resin), or at minimum, more attention should have been paid to hiding the thickness of the parts like the rim of the hats and clothing. It's just feels chunky. Also not doing the feathers on that one skirt feels like a cop out. Just saying, it needed the feathers.

@pazuzu_666

2 ай бұрын

Yep, they look like they were made on Hero Forge for sure. The thickness of the hat brims, the roundness, no sharpness. And as you mentioned, lost all allure of the illustrations.

In the first "voxcast" 40k-podcast Dan Abnet talks about how he got his job as a 40k-writer, because in his first work that he did for the setting he was able to "nail the tone of a john blanche-artwork". That's how important that guy was to 40k.

@toferkrz946

2 ай бұрын

Well, they are both weirdly horny in everything they do, so that tracks.

The models are a bit thicker then I'd imagine from the art.

@stryke-jn3kv

2 ай бұрын

Thiccer I think you mean shurely.

@molenat9973

2 ай бұрын

@@stryke-jn3kv👆

@DetectiveLance

2 ай бұрын

EXTRA THHHHHIICC!

@clinch4402

2 ай бұрын

I'm surprised to keep seeing this type of comment. They're 32 millimetre miniatures for tabletop play. What did you expect?

@jamesmaybrick2001

2 ай бұрын

Thats how models have to be in Siocast. Siocast is shit. I really dislike it. It is bendy (very rubbery) and furry. You CANNOT file it or sand it. You have to trim it with at least a scapel or prefarably something sharper (like perhaps a Lightsabre). And miscasts happen. When its good its...bearable. But its never great. It is relatvely cheap though, so there you go.

I think the big difference between the artwork and the sculpt are the limbs. The illustrations almost go into the realm of fashion artwork, where the miniatures are converted to a GW scale of miniature. Also, while I LIKE sexy proportions on my miniatures, the artworks proportions are so lithe and almost alien, which is lost in translation. I think it would be cool to be closer to the concept arts style

I wish the minis were more to scale with the art. Unfortunately they kind of look like the Usual 40k proxies.

@jesterprince4949

2 ай бұрын

Yeah a lot of these third party sculptors are technically very good, but they all feel like they just kind of miss the magic. There are a few that manage it. Unfortunately for every 1 sculptor that gets it there's a thousand that are just doing sexed up or "not marines" or "sexed up not marines". If there is ever an argument against 3d printing will kill games workshop, its that its so tiresome having to hunt through all the crap to find the genuinely outstanding minis.

I own two massive signed prints from John blanche got from Warhammer art. A bloodletter and skarbrand

Totally agree; just feel models need that dark souls proprtions and grime. Like Boreal Valley for the taller thinner artwork.

From a grimdark painters perspective, I love that the models have a lot of clean areas on them. models that are messy from a geometric perspective can be a lot harder to put a different style to. I can absolutely work with these models to reproduce Johns style, or go with a complete filthsome grimdark look etc.. You can add physical texture to smooth surfaces prior to painting, its a lot harder to remove physical texture

That tank is looking GIRTHY in the corner

@margaretwood152

2 ай бұрын

(🤔) John Blanche-designed *_Models❓_* Let~me-Think-about~it *_--> YES_* (Take all our 💵Moneys💵)

I wish the models were Wilder? Like they feel so toned down compared to the art. I don't care about realistic human proportions I want weird and wispy and creepy. If they gotta be bigger make them bigger! Still tempted to buy them 😅

@clinch4402

2 ай бұрын

Still better than anything 40k has produced in the past decade tbh

@thomasswingler174

2 ай бұрын

@@clinch4402 I dunno the Necromunda and Bloodbowl sculpts are pretty damn gorgeous. But I bet you

@clinch4402

2 ай бұрын

@@thomasswingler174 Don't do me like that! I specified 40k for a reason. GW's flagship game with absolutely wasted aesthetic potential.

@thomasswingler174

2 ай бұрын

@@clinch4402 oh my bad. I somehow interpreted 40k as just Warhammer in general. I blame lack of sleep

@gi1dor

2 ай бұрын

@@clinch4402 No, absolute no.

Vampirehunter ladies? Luckly that isnt a huge weakness of mine, at all. No siree.

You don't need to equivocate on your guess why the sculpts look different to the art. You were spot on. Sculpts have to simplify, thicken, and exaggerate or they won't be printable, castable, or paintable. Doing a bit of digital kitbashing and sculpting I've had to learn this the hard way. Tiny and slender details just don't show up or break immediately when printed at 28-34mm scale.

I kinda wish they were hand sculpted. I think more of his style would have translated. They have that every mini kinda look. I don't feel they are pointy enough if that makes sense. Statueske (spelling nailed🤭)

Not a knock against Zealot Minis here but I'd love to see the folks at Wyrd have a crack at this - they aren't scared at all to work with odd proportions and skinny weapons.

John Blanche is a legend, but I personally prefer the proportions of the miniatures to the artwork. These would look so good in Necromunda.

I would like to see these sculpts in a far larger format. The minis are very different to the art and if it was far bigger you could get that complex detail . Ah you covered the size just after I typed this :)

I think texture is the right word. I've seen too many campaigns offering mini's that were just too smooth. I think it's something the industry is losing as more mini's are sculpted on computers instead of using green stuff and various sculpting tools. Hand sculpted mini's inevitably had a certain amount of imperfection that worked.

@gi1dor

2 ай бұрын

I do not agree. 3d sculpting actually allows to add textures and many-many details way easier than hand sculpted. This is what many complain about in many modern minis. Check any high level STLs of display-level models from modern sculptors, they are absolutely mad about details (and this why some think a problem), what was presented here is not an issue of 3s modeling, it's an actual flow of those sculpts

@JMcMillen

2 ай бұрын

@@gi1dor When I say texture I'm not talking about tons of bits on the mini to paint. I'm talking about things like the "smooth" parts of the mini being too smooth. Like armor panels that are too perfect, especially in fantasy/medieval worlds were things were hand made and would inevitably have imperfections. Helmets where they sculpted one side then just put a mirrored copy on the other side to perfectly match. If you look around Kickstarter, you will inevitably come across plenty of small campaigns where the mini's look more like dressed up mannequins instead of something that looks alive.

Most of these look like Hero Forge models sadly. Art is great though. Also I love Blanche and his impact on 40k is undeniable, but I think you're underselling Jes Goodwin's influence some.

'Arse carpet'...there you go. The Solemnia model looks like a good base for sculpting some armour over. The witch hunters are solid 💯

That Fraktur font is why my gaming group still calls the "cloven hoofs" mutation from Mordheim "cloven boofs"...

I'd like Jäger with a head option without the mask and stick a flame into her hand where the gun goes and turn her into the sassiest gothic mage that ever lived. I think that would be a pretty fun conversion.

I think 1, 3 and 4 are what we could expect between concept art and actual miniature, and it looking good, but that second one, the model is *fine* but it's quite generic, when the art looks so much more uncanny. There's also something amusing to me that I want to see these painted in a vibrant, 2E art style, with goblin green bases, rather than the Blanchitsu ZORN palette. 😂

I think those minis completely lost whole charm and atmosphere of original illustrations Also changed proportions in the lamest way possible. I'm very disappointed, i think it's fail of sculptors. Probably good paint job can help, but I think it's matter of saving sculpts, not improving

I like these for the most part. The plastic on the fabrics and hat rims is a bit chunky, and the minis could definitely use more texture, but that's nothing that can't be added with some grimdark weathering techniques. Scratching up the leather and armour with an old airbrush needle, adding some texture paint here and there, etc.

Totally agree with it being easier to see from the test print rather than the renders, I always find that - the renders almost look too perfectly smooth I guess? And maybe the lighting looks a bit unnatural? Anyway, yeah a lovely set of models that I really don't need (must keep reminding myself... don't need, don't need...)

Kirioth - I know exactly what you mean when you say the test print looks a lot different than the digital render. I don't have the vocabulary to explain the differences, but can defininitely see it

I like that german names are apparently used to mark something as "extra grim dark". 😅

If you pronounce the umlaut it would sound a bit like murderin'.

I feel like these minis are technically good... but captured none of the character of John Blanche artwork. I feel like the second one really missed the mark. Luckily there is another company dedicated to doing just that and they still do it really well. I'll back it because they are still nice minis and I love Johns work. But I hope if they do more of these they spend a little more time making them true to the artwork. Just needs those little spikes, textures and body horror. Also when you start to ask... is that too many skulls? The answer is always no. These don't quite do the Blanche style for me like "Belladona the bounty hunter" the death cult assasins or Canoness Veridyan do from games workshop.

Terrible intro? That’s just your intro, and it’s just part of the joy of the channel. To be back on topic though, these minis look awesome. I bet some streaking grime will fix the cleanliness issue right up.

Totally agree with you about the difference between test print and render, I think it has to do with being able to see the shadows which gives it more dimension. Jaegerin is German for Huntress (adding an e after the letter with the umlaut is the English representation of the sound so I guess the campaign is pronounced Moerderin basically a female murderer or assassin) , Apolonia Greek for belonging to Apollo, Salomia is from the Indian Subcontinent (not sure which language) meaning Peace and Osterhilt is a combination of the German for Easter and the word hilt.

Thicker... :P backed it already, its a risk, but its one im willing to take for $39 USD for 4 minis

The first 2 minutes of this video made me realize: Out of the dozens (hundreds?) of videos I have seen on 40k, I have never seen even 1 dedicated to John Blanche. Mention him offhand? Sure. But never talk *about* him or show off his artwork

I suppose if you can't get hold of any of the old Femme Millitant range then these are ok, but I have to agree that they have decided to keep to more normal proportions to the cost of losing some of the distinctiveness. "Inspired by" might be a choice description. Now I wonder if anyone can do a range based on Ian Millar's art, then we could have the whole of the original warhammer grim dark style in figure form.

I’d say John Blanche invented the ‘Grim Dark’. He put the Grim Dark in 40k. So much of his artwork inspired the lore.

I'll support anything based on Mr Blanche' art, the more the merrier!

I am 99% certain that the naming convention was chosen entirely to see how bad Kirioth would butcher these names. There is no way it would be due to Germanic style names and words has a long history with Warhammer. Murderess, Huntress and the like, any chump can pronounce that.

Space pirate quaker..I'm here for it.

its a BUSTLE

GrimDark is having a first hand recollection of how dangerously detrimental adding female units to the Infantry has been in real life.

On texture, if you ever see minis Blanche painted you can see texture added via the paint/enamels themselves. So lack of it on the model isn't bad, plus cheaper to produce castings

@gi1dor

2 ай бұрын

What is the point of a cheap cast for display miniature, I want an excellent sculpt. This really looks like a cheap knock off of better sculpt

@neem377

2 ай бұрын

@@gi1dor production at scale is never cheap, casting cost for resin and Metal with extra details can go up by 100k for even a slight uptick and then material has to be able to make it through export imports. there is a reason bespoke display models can cost 100+ from resin pour/spin cast metal. Siocast is a relatively easy affordable piece of machinery that does good work and scales up well without putting much risk of a Kickstarter failing due to machine/raw material cost. Plus the minis shown are all CADs and a proof of concept which neither is going to look as good as a actual product

@gi1dor

2 ай бұрын

@@neem377 Sorry, all those excuses to deliver a bad product. Don't get me wrong, I would love to have cool sculpt of Blanche illustration, I would love, and would pay for it, to spent time and deliver my best paintjob but not for this absolute meh sculpts If they cannot justify the price of molds/casting, etc., and at the same time deliver a good product, maybe it is better not to do this project at all rather than do those bad quality minis for great Blanche works; After all, they could always release STL only with absolutely any amount of detail and then deliver printed versions if someone is ready to pay for individual printing. It's honestly looking to me disrespectful and cache grab.

@neem377

2 ай бұрын

They aren't excuses that's just how mass manufacturing works but I get it. There is always the option to get a custom piece made to avoid the difficulties that come from scale, lot of historical display painters do that, with great results. I personally like to hand sculpt it's a lot of fun but there is also a lot of free software. It can be a fun project to turn a piece of art you like into a display model. I do it now and again always a good time even if it is pretty adjacent to work. Who knows might find a new passion in sculpting

I do wish the models were more stylized, like the art. But... i backed it anyways haha

Had me at “oh yeah that’s it!” 😂 EDIT: Sorry, what?! “Frothing at the gash!” Oh god it got so much better 😂😂

[Murderin']

bustle was the word you were looking for

Consensus seem to be the Minis let down the artwork. On my own version of that theme, Why isn't the giant head a giant head?

I'll be honest, I hate when sculpts have too much texture in them... The whole idea of painting miniatures (especially in Blanches style) is that you add the texture yourself with your very own brush strokes and different kind of texture paints!

Given that the typical style of roman metal armour is lorica segmentata, I think you're fine talking about Osterhilt's get up ;D You're right, they all lack the elongated proportions of the artwork, and the thiccer (I'll say i that way if you won't!) pin-up style is honestly a mis-step for me. People dig their cheese cake, I get it. But Blanche-cake should have disquieting proportions. Pretty moot point for me anyway, backing stuff is not currently within my fiscal remit. I want to like them, but the're just stylistically 'off' for me.

My dyslexic ass trying to read that gaudy medieval looking text extends sympathy

I love these minis

Would be nice to paint those.

Four Character models for £30? When a single one of that size and detail, might set you back 21-25 quid from GW, I think it's a bit of a bargain.

Done! Thanks!

I feel the guns in the artwork are actually UNDERproportioned. That “Plasma Carbine”(?) looks insanely small to most plasma guns in 40K. Same with the rifle and pistol that Jagerin has in the artwork. I prefer slightly oversized guns as they’re easier to paint and for one offs especially, easier to do things to

@clinch4402

2 ай бұрын

This seems to be missed a lot in miniatures nowadays period, honestly. They're designed more to be pretty for HD pictures to browse on your screen, rather than to assemble, hand paint and play on tabletop.

I disagree that Blanche is the defining aesthetic of Warhammer (FB or 40k). He was the defining concepts and then Jes Goodwin refined the concept into the aesthetic. When i think of "gritty" warhammer art I think of Karl Kopinski and his gnarled and scarred faces or Wayne Englands margin artwork and book covers. "Classic" art to me is Mark Gibbons. Chaos I think of Adrian Smith. What stands out to me as distinctly Blanche... Mordheim and Battlefleet Gothic. Gamesworkshops greatest games.

Bruh, lets fucking goooooo

Excellent video

Apolonia 6. Early 80s female singer. Big hit "Sex Shooter." Great miniatures btw.

I look forwrad to seeing the ctretch boalf

I thought John Blanche retired

Ass cloak I’m trademarking it! 🤣

Lot of bargaining going on in this video to try and cope with the sculpts being a bit mid 😬

Yeah the second isn't right. The art makes her look almost insect-like. The sculpt is just thick space nurse.

These look amazing, backed for sure.

Hmm, in the last say 10-15 years we have been getting nothing but female figures. That tends to become a bit boring, but these ones...I might get the witch hunter and, possibly, a few others. Well done Mr.Blanche.

These do not bloody resemble John Blanche's artwork in the slightest.

Love Blanche's work but even the 3D renders miss details and the test print they have on there shows why you don't trust 3D renders. A big meh for me.

Ö I believe is pronounced er

These feel really boring especially compared to the artwork, the artwork is so good.

(🤔) John Blanche-designed *_Models❓_* Let~me-Think-about~it *_--> YES_* (Take all our 💵Moneys💵, we don't _meed to _*_eat_*_ this month_ )

They defo compromised his art, but it's likely necessary. If they did a straight copy of his work the mini would be far too busy. And I don't usually like sexualised minis but that Calomia is ....er.....interesting to me.

@gi1dor

2 ай бұрын

No need to do straight copy, sculptors could interpret them more realistic or more practical, if necessary, though I don't see it's necessary here, technologies definitely allow to make them almost identical But their rendering just bad

@jamesmaybrick2001

2 ай бұрын

@@gi1dor I basically already made this point above. The rendering is fine, great even. Its that they are using siocast, which is shit. Its soft and rubbery crap that is cast in moulds and span. its NOT printed. It is not possible to be more accurate to Johns art with it than they have.

@gi1dor

2 ай бұрын

@@jamesmaybrick2001 I don't know, the design itself is bad in my opinion. Using cheap material to cast it of course do not help either.

These are extremely disappointing. They look like knock-off 3d prints.

There is no art in those minis That's a shame You have the chance to work with John Blanche, the only one And you make generic stuff like that, those sculpts would be at their place in fortnight... a shame. It seems like nobody can sculpt a proper grim dark mini since 20 years

I like the minis by themselves but they look NOTHING like the ART. Such a miss.

Meh. Not a fan of cheesecake in my art.

Awful 3D artist’s interpretation. Didn’t cap7any of the originals. Ridiculously chunky. Proportions all off and foot placements are wacky.