Saw vso dropped a video about your video on making the dip safe

@JohnnysReloadingBench

2 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/f5WDpLCDprXeYNI.html

Just in time, I just converted almost 1000 7.62x39 cases to 6.5 Grendel with the goal of converting to 6mm arc at some point later and here's what I learned. All European brass I had PPU, Belom, Geco, Norma, Fiocchi, etc. would leave that ring you saw at the base of the case and it was considerably more difficult to size and would not pass headspace until I readjusted the die past shellholder contact point with a bit of cam over going on. I even took the die to the lathe and trimmed it a bit. Now with domestic brass Remington, FC, Winchester including PMC which is Korean but made the same there was NO RING at the base so I took measurements and here's what I found: international 7.62 brass has a case head .443 where as domestic is about .438, but a factory PPU 6.5 Grendel also measured .438 so my conclusion was I needed to use American (including PMC) and I lubed everything up and converted all on my Dillon as fast I could pull the handle and not a single one had problem. I also converted some international and it also didn't collapse but I had to readjust the die and did it on my single stage. Now one exception where shoulders collapsed was HORNADY 7.62 brass with small primer pockets which I had high hopes because of small primer pocket, I annealed it before hand and I feel like this might have been a problem as weird as this sound I've seen this happen when I tried to convert 223 to 221 fireball the brass that was annealed would collapse and once fired brass would not. Now here's funny part, the Hornady brass that had folded shoulder would still pass case gauge so I loaded reduced load and shot 11 rounds and all of them cycled but it didn't quite straitened all the folds, maybe on the 2nd firing it will get even better but IT IS usable brass and can be reloaded. P.S. Forgot to mention I did try turning PPU brass body diameter down on the lathe to .439 and that worked too but it was uneven on most brass and I think mostly that was due to brass being fired in 7.62 already but it could be just inconsistent brass.

@PeterPiper-xj3ie

7 ай бұрын

I had a 350 7.62x39 PMC brass for conversion. I tiered a bunch of methods, but could not consistently get a result as most would crush. I found that going from 7.62 to 6.5gren you have to run the press as hard and fast as you can to insure there is no crushing.

@DimaProk

7 ай бұрын

@@PeterPiper-xj3ie What dies are you using? Did you anneal first? Mine didn't have any problems with crushed necks but annealing first can cause that. A light anneal might be ok. I am using cheap Lee dies. I had zero that crushed necks, but to be clear I was converting to 6.5 Grendel. It didn't try to go fast or slow, just a normal pace like when you size your normal brass. I ended up converting factory Hornady 6.5 Grendel once fired to 6mm ARC and that worked without any issues, but especially with Hornady brass DON'T anneal first! That caused crushed necks when going from 7.62 to 6.5.

Great to see you get back to 6mm arc. Was hoping you would do more videos on it. It's an awesome little round.

I love that your soo passionate about reloading and the components for it 🖤

I am about to convert my AR to 6 ARC. I have been watching and reading any info about 6 ARC I can find all day. This was a great help for brass options if I can't find factory brass or ammo.

It was good to see the process. I’ve been told and read about it, but there’s nothing like seeing it done.

Dude you are awesome. I will be using the 7.62 for my arc brass. Thanks!

I learned an awful lot of good stuff just on reloading and I don't even have the ARC or Grendel. Great forming process video; thorough & logical procedures.

Although I'm not going to invest in an Ar based or bolt 6mm ARC, I still enjoyed your video, showing what a guy can do if the need arises and he has to improvise. We have seen some interesting times lately, and showing your audience how to take available brass and with a few steps and tools transform it into completely different caliber and case is still worthwhile to me... Beats watching the crap that is on T.V. everyday allday... Thanks for your willingness to turn out great content for your viewers...

@johnwhitty9069

2 жыл бұрын

I agree nothing but trash on tv. This was at least educational

Outstanding video Johnny! Thanks for the demonstration and explanation! Yeppers, I'll be going back to watch the .220 Russian conversion also! Thanks man!

This is great man. Really enjoyed it and learned a ton

Very informative video, thanks Johnny. Good to see someone with a decent grasp on the meaning and purpose of "headspace," as there is a lot of misunderstanding and fear out there on that topic.

Really, really enjoy the style of your videos and commentary.

I certainly miss your videos. I'm always pleased when I come across an older one that is directly relevant to my current interest. Hope to see new content at some point!

I watched your 223 to 300 blk as a learning video for making 300 blk and then I also made 375 Raptor from 30-06 brass as well as 270 and 308 brass . Both the 30-06 and 270 brass were thick @ the neck for Raptor and I had to outside neck trim to fit in the chamber . I also tried making 6mm arc brass about a month ago from some new 6PPC brass and was successful. I only had 100 ppc and I did have some shoulder issues if I ran through too fast through the die . I messed up about 7 cases with rounded pushed back shoulders. Then I tried the 7.62x39 cases (range pick up) I crushed 2 at the shoulder. I slept on it and then took the spindle out of the sizing die and lube up a couple more 7.62 brass with Hornady sizing wax and slowly ran them through in an up and down slightly turning the case and wallah I had a couple 6 mm arc cases . So the only dies available when I purchased about 3 months ago were the Lee 6mm arc dies . So the difference between the Lee die and your RCBS Small base dies I’m sure there’s a thousandth or 2 difference so could definitely make a difference whit dies a person uses . It would be interesting to see the difference between RCBS standard dies vs your small base die . Just thinking out Loud . Great video thanks for all you do . Have loaded handgun rounds for 45 yrs . Just started reloading rifle rounds 3.5 yrs ago and your videos were very helpful during my learning curve the last 3.5 yrs . Thanks again keep up the excellent work .

I built myself a new induction annealer based on a model I saw on KZread. It's sooo much better than before!!!!

@jdrollason

2 жыл бұрын

Please share my dude

@tyler6147

2 жыл бұрын

@@jdrollason Go to North East Texas Tactical on KZread. I would put a link but they always delete my posts if I do. For just over $200 I have an induction annealing set up that works GREAT. I can fly through the brass as well. I used a different timer (I chose the 110V model not the DC model) but it's otherwise the same. The hardest part was figuring out how to wire it up. It is awesome though.

2 additional options past 6.5 grendel.. brilliant. Side note. I knew you can do 762x39but wasn't sure on the exact process. Excellent.

I've resized both 7.62x39 and 6.5G down to 6ARC. My best success has been with 6.5G, and experienced variable situations with 7.62x39 from crushed neck (as you did) to neck rebound that would not fit in my Wilson 6ARC case guage after trimming. Now I first size to 6.5G slowly (as you did), check the 6.5G case guage, the size down to 6ARC after trimming with my Hornady case trimmer. I have not had the need or incentive to trim the case neck thickness yet. Good info, Johnny!!

Yeah, turns out this is a super important and needed video. Where else you gonna get 6mm ARC brass? I used some of your most awesome knowledge and ideas, and converted 100 6.5 Grendel cases a friend most generously gave me. Once fired Hornady cases, I didn't even bother to anneal them (this time) and they re-formed perfectly. I'm using them for ladder tests right now, and once I can establish some pet loads for my rifle, I will load most of them up in bulk, saving 20 of them for other experiments. Thank you so much for taking the time to share your know how. Much appreciated 👍👍

Loved that Lady Bug made an appearance at 47:50. I was wondering how she was doing

Could you do a video about organizing? Like brass and the different stages of prep, bullet and powder organization. This channel finally got me into reloading and finally got everything I need, now lookin for how to piece everything together!

Thanks to this excellent video I decided to to feed my 6 ARC with reformed Winchester 7.62x39 brass, first sized to 6.5 Grendel without the neck sizing button and then then sizing the result with a 6 ARC sizing die with neck sizing button in place. Then triming to 1,490. The water capacity of the brass so made was 29.8 grains of water. Then I fire formed with a 68 gr bullet and a preliminary low load from the Hornady 6ARC data. After fire forming the capacity was 32.3 grains of water. This is a significant bit lower that Hornady brass which I seem to recall is about 34 grains of water after firing. Happily, I checked the Starline site and 6 ARC is back on Backorder status. $0.64/case volume 250 45:09 Happily, there is no development of the belts seen on the video. I think some foreign source 7.62x39 has a bigger base case diameter as another commenter has elucidate here. (I used Lee die) Thanks to “Johnny” and to all of you for interesting discussions and info. Lou The Fire formed 7.62x39 Win brass holds 32.1 gr H2O Starline 6 ARC fire formed holds 33.7 gr H2O and HRN 6 ARC fire formed hold 34.1 gr of H2O.

Great stuff. I feel like a novice learning the ways of brass smithing from a master.

I have done the same thing you did to the Lapua with Norma 6mm dasher brass making the mad dog weapon systems 6.5 Timberwolf. It makes me feel better that I'm not the only one that's done it.

Thanks for your help forming brass

Looks really interesting. Always good to know that brass you don’t have may be produced from the brass you do have. Also, I was debating building either a 6.5 Grendel or a 6mm ARC. Learned that these use Large primers, which I don’t have. So that debate is over.

Thank you for another 6mm arc video!!

Thanks for showing the 6PPC in the video. I knew they would be close in dimensions but previously I hadn't been able to find anything that compared the PPC with the 6ARC and 6.5 Grendel all in the same shot! It's a pity that Hornady couldn't just SAMMI spec the 6PPC or the 6 Grendel instead of creating a new cartridge... Cheers!

@seanmtactical6069

2 жыл бұрын

6mm PPC has a shorter OAL with can be problematic for loading from a mag in a semi-auto. I also has less shoulder angle, not as supported for semi-auto loading. I believe 6mm AR is still under patent by Robert Whitley so legitimizing it would mean buying the patent (new cartridge dimensions circumvents any patent issues). Another reason they designed ARC was to push the shoulder back a little and help stop people from accidentally loading 6.5 Grendel into the barrels.

@ShazAu8

2 жыл бұрын

@@seanmtactical6069 Thanks Sean

I’ve collected a bunch of 7.62x39 to convert to 6.5G. I’ve seen 6 arc barrels selling for really reasonable money. Maybe next time I’ve got money burning a hole in my pocket I’ll start another project

Very interesting! Great video.

Watching your videos is very fun. I wish I had neighbors like you. :) Keep on keepin' on.

I've converted 7.62x39 to Grendel before without annealing. I'm sure it would have been better to do so but I didn't have a torch at the time so I didn't. I haven't had any issues yet but I'm sure I will eventually. For fire forming I just used the Hornady minimum charge of AA2520 and a Hdy 123 FMJ bullet. Worked fine

Just something else to try if you haven't already - I used Redding die wax which I figured out was actually Mink Oil Paste, you get it in the shoe section. Works great for forming stuff like this a bit better (IMO) than Lanolin. I used it to not only turn R-P 7.62x39 to 6mm PPC, but to resize machine gun 50 BMG brass with good results.

Great video. I just got my 6mm ARC build done in December. Managed to find 100 rounds of Hornady ammo, but that is my entire stock of brass right now. As I also have a Grendel, I may pick up a box of 500 Grendel cases and re-size half down to ARC. Thanks for showing the process. I expected it to be a lot harder. Since 6mm ARC brass is non-existent right now, this is a good solution.

@russstockton3784

2 жыл бұрын

Let us all know where you find those 500 cases :)

@MikeSessler

2 жыл бұрын

@@russstockton3784 Yeah, turns out those are just as rare as 6mm ARC now. Should have bought them last time I saw them.

@russstockton3784

2 жыл бұрын

@@MikeSessler I've decided to put my Grendel aspirations on the shelf until things become more readily available. I bought 100 7.62x39 mixed brass awhile ago to make into Grendel and then I couldn't find any cheap pills to fire form with so I was using 123 eld and sst at 60 cents a piece with the lightest IMR 4198 charge I could trust to pop those high dollar pills out the end of the barrel and of course the extra primers, so I think I was looking at $1.80 a round to get something usable for my poor Grendel. After all of that, it's cheaper and easier to load 308.

The 6 PPC forming video that covers more of this same stuff: kzread.info/dash/bejne/iZ12rNCdpN26YJM.html

@sherrypulec1449

2 жыл бұрын

check out the NEOWEIGHT aluminum powder pans on Amazon. they are made to fit the pocket scales for reloaders. Cost is 15,99 for a set of three different sized pans, and they work great.

You're the best reloader on KZread.

Great video. I've got some Starline Grendel Basic brass that I was going to use for my 6ARC. I tried stepping to 6.5 Grendel first but that resulted in some ugly creased necks. I guess I should try going 7.62x39 first.

Thank You, Johnny!

Good job. I make my 6.5c from free once fired Norma .308 and having to turn the necks. All good and they seem to last forever with no stretch when fired. My failure point is the primer pockets getting loose after 15 or so reloads.

Good stuff!

Fantastic video brother I had to convert a batch of 6.5 Grendel brass to 6mm ARC brass and it was pain free considering it was my first time doing something like this. I wasn't exactly sure how it was going to turn out but I did what you did I ran it through my die, trimmed it, and fire formed it. That 7.62×39 conversion was interesting... I wonder if after a few firings and sizings that little ridge you got at the top of the case head would dissappear once the brass started to stretch out some. You might have come up with a way to get even longer brass life... LOL Again great video brother keepem coming!!!

That was excellent, thanks for the entertainment.👍

Sweet video, thanks for sharing

Phenomenal presentation my friend.

I use 7.62x39 to covert to 6mm ARC/6.5 Grendel. I also start with the 6.5 Grendel die, except I ordered a 6.5 Grendel hydro forming die from Hornady to conserve primers. 7.62 brass through the Grendel die to neck down and start the shoulder. Then insert a spent large rifle primer (I save them for this purpose), fill with water or alcohol and into the hydro die. Two or so hard hits later, Grendel brass and I didn’t have to spend a primer. From there I can run them through a 6mm Arc die if I need brass for those rifles, or leave them 6.5 Grendel. I have multiple AR’s in both calibers.

@craignmz5264

2 жыл бұрын

You need to make a video of this process, interesting!

@dahut3614

2 жыл бұрын

I can't quite wrap my head around how a hydoforming die works where the case neck is _smaller._

@TetelestaiAD33

2 жыл бұрын

@@dahut3614 Where the case neck is smaller….?

@dahut3614

2 жыл бұрын

@@TetelestaiAD33 I see how it could make the case neck larger, but for the pressure to make it smaller, it seems like the pressure needs to be on the outside.

@TetelestaiAD33

2 жыл бұрын

@@dahut3614 it doesn’t, the 7.62 brass is run through a Grendel die to first neck it down and start the shoulder. It’s then put into the hydro die for the rest of the forming (full shoulder and blowing out the taper.)

Missing your videos man! Gonna watch some reruns 😊

6mm ARC from 220 russian? No problem: Fire forming! :)

So the video doesn’t apply to me but thought it was flipping awesome! Absolutely loved the video seeing how you can change brass like that! Would love to see more like it! What about 6.5 creed? I know creed ammo and brass is everywhere I just think it would be cool to watch! Keep up the great work! Look forward to seeing what comes out next Sunday!

@alexiezante3663

2 жыл бұрын

What direction are you wanting to go with 6.5 Creedmoor? I have a 22 Creedmoor upper, and brass isn’t easy to find, so I’ve got 6.5 and 6 Creedmoor, and necked it down to 22, and ran them through a neck expanding mandrel.

@jonathanstokes8493

2 жыл бұрын

@@alexiezante3663 not exactly needing anything just a fun and cool video to watch I have a couple 6.5 creeds and plenty of brass just ordered another 200 lapua srp brass. I just thought it was a cool video to watch. I don’t have really much need to change brass sizes because I don’t have any weird cartridges. 6.5grendel 6.5creed 7.62x39 300blk and 5.56 that’s what I have

I really enjoyed this, even though I'm not needing to do case conversion presently. And if I do, it will be converting .223 to 300AAC. I carefully watched some videos on it and looks like it can be done. Some guy named Johnny...

I did some experimenting turning lake city 308 brass into 6.5 Creedmoor and I was unable to just convert in a single stage on the press. The shoulders would deform most of the time. I ended up going to from stock brass, to 7mm-08, then to 6.5 Creedmoor... necks needed turn and of course needed trimmed. I ended up converting over 500 of them and I still use them in my semi-auto since it's harder on brass. So your findings are similar to what I encountered. Also, use more lube than you think you usually would as I ended up with some stuck cases.

Great content 👍🏼

Solid info. Thanks

Thank you for this video!

Excellent info

I wanted to have some visual difference between my two 6.5 Grendels brass. One is a bolt and one is an AR. So I used Hornady brass for the bolt gun , they have small primers and I resized Winchester 7.62x39 they have large primers. The reason I mention this I resized the Winchester in Hornady dies and I didn't get the ring at the bottom of the case as you did when using RCBS dies on your intermediate step.

7.62x39 makes a mini-belted magnum case!

I've been enjoying and learning from your videos. Thank you. I just got a 6arc. I wanted the most lethal round I could get out of the AR 15 platform. Was looking at.224, but never was convinced it would last. I want to put down wild hogs and Coyote's at longer range. I don't understand why you would reform cases like this, where the brass is available. I personally, want the head stamp to match the rifle I plan to use it in! Only in extreme circumstances, would I consider doing this.

Awesome !

My dies make that same weird little ring at the base. I have been making mine from x39. I just neck them to 6.5 for my grendels and load a good charge and a bullet to use on a range day then form and trim them to arc on the next go around

A new vid from Johnny. Just the thing for the almost Monday blues.

Also could be formed from Starline 6.5 Grendel basic brass.

Your a God sent 🙏

The all new 7.62x6ARC JRB Belted mini-magnum!

It would make an interesting follow up video to see what effect, if any, small vs large primer has on 6mm ARC by using the 7,62x39 converted brass.

@concernedaussie1330

Жыл бұрын

Yep that’s exactly what I’m thinking.

I formed a bunch of lapua 6.5 grendel brass. I had better speed and consistency with the Hornady brass. I also tried starline brass, got only half the reloads out of the star line brass that I did with the Hornady brass. I just keep buying a bunch of factory loads.

I almost forgot to mention that VSO Gun Channel did a response video to one of your videos.

@JohnnysReloadingBench

2 жыл бұрын

I just watched it! kzread.info/dash/bejne/f5WDpLCDprXeYNI.html

@tyler6147

2 жыл бұрын

@@JohnnysReloadingBench Very cool. I always like response videos for some reason. I think you should look at doing some kind of collaboration video. Like load some 300 Black Out subs and then send them to someone that has a good sound meter to test (definitively) which powder and bullet combinations are more quiet than others. If you could pull it off that would get a million views easy.

Awesome!!!!!!!!

It was very informative

I just bought some belom 7.62x39 123gr to convert, i havent been able to find anything but did backorder some hornady and starline basic brass(un formed). After pullimg the bullets i ran the brass though hornady match grade die without a neck bushing or decapper and they ran right through. Even with out lube. Though i did get a bit of a belt at the bottm. Not worried about it though.

Nicely done vid JRB. Do you think the 7.62x39 converted brass with the large primer pocket will have as long a life as small primer pocket brass? (Primer pocket enlargement)

I'm just hoping 6 ARC brass becomes available. But if it don't, I'm buying Grendel

Before watching this video I used 7.62 Starline brass and first used a 6.5 Gendel die and then a 6 ARC dye, it was easy and worked well. The problem I see with the 7.62 Starline brass is that, possibly because of the large primer, the case volume was considerably less which makes most of the decent loads for 6 ARC compressed loads. I would like to know if you worked up any loads for 6 ARC using the reduced case volume of the 7.62 Starline brass.

I guess it might depend on what kind of brass and primers you have available. I went ahead and bout a new 6 arc barrel for my savage 110 tactical. (Previously 6.5 prc) I bought some Hornady factory ammo to get started, hopefully that’ll set me up for success.

Yes a whole hour

Ive done one of the 3, 7.62 to 6 arc

Evening Johnny guys will eat this up

@jdrollason

2 жыл бұрын

Nom nom nom

I think we can take it that he’s rather impressed with the press 😀

With all this brass work.... Have you considered getting into 22 grendel. Very interesting cartridge vs 224 Valkyrie.

Ladybug for the win!

Hi this is really great for us who has "free" access to range brass, but no possibility to obtaing weaponry to mach those range found brass. It seems that there is no need to select suitable brass, just buy few dies and you got plenty of suitable brass

I ran into that same ring using rcbs sb dies forming 6arc from 6.5 grendal I also ran into shoulder and body burn out. I’m very interested to see if you run into same issues I did so far the ring is the start of what I’ve been seeing.

I got tired of denting my necks so I put some soft Velcro on the brass deflector and no more dented brass.

Avoid dings by gluing a piece of velcro to the deflector.

What are your top 3 personal favorite long distance (beyond 500 yards) calibers? And your 3 top reloading preferences for long range calibers?

case forming can be a pain at times . you are right 6.5 grendel to 6 arc is the way to go . only cases i form anymore are 45 auto shotshells and the 22 tcm . gave in and ordered 22 tcm form dies from ch4d . but they cost big bucks ! inside ream dies are best instead of turning the case necks . so what cartridge you think is better , 6.5 grendel or 6mm arc ?

Sounds like you have a cold. If so, hope you get better soon.

7.62 to 6.5 G was no problem ..I had to covert to 6.5 because of them using large primers which I have.

Do you think annealing would help make the shoulder a bit sharper?

Have you noticed that your Lyman turret press has a little play in the turret when you put enough force on it. Some of it is the normal movement of the entire press but it looks like the turret itself is also moving.

The ring around the base is because 7.62x39 is just a bit larger than 6.5 grendel and 6mm arc i run into the problem with once fired brass when forming into 6.5 grendel all the time and have to take the ring lip off because one of my two 6.5 grendel's is a very tight chamber and the ring at the base will not always let it chamber and it's extremely hard to extract.

Alpha makes good 6 PPC brass, try pat at PMA Tool he’s great to work with.

I appreciate that you're a bull in a China shop so that I don't have to be. With that said, you should so try using starline's #2320 - Grendel Basic Brass (Small Rifle primer) Un-tapered (W/No caliber designation)

I wonder if you sized up the 220 case with an expander mandrel to 7mm if the false shoulder method would work better ?

It could be a trick of the light but the cases that had a false neck seems to have a crisper transition from body to shoulder 🤔. And if that is true, then the hypothesis would be that "the brass that formed the shoulder flowed from the body rather than shortening the neck", mabe the work hardening from putting in the false neck (twice?) stopped the neck from moving or the harder neck let more pressure build before the bullet got going? Either or, it should mean that using a false neck has potential for forming more consistent brass. More of a point for bench rest shooting than anything but now I WANT to know for sure...

Check to see if the ring on the Grendel case keeps it from rechambering in your gun

I got a 6mm arc formed the brass from 6.5 Grendel then trimmed the necks. It worked fine but honestly I regret building the rifle making the brass is just a pain in the ass. I make 7mm-08 from 308 but for some reason arc has just been a bit of a pain. What spray do you use?

I’ve got a 22 Creedmoor that I’ve been making brass for using 6.5 and 6 Creedmoor brass, and the 6.5 Creedmoor gets a pass through a 6mm Creedmoor sizing die. I’m thinking that if 22 Creedmoor brass gets even harder to find, I’ll form 22 Creedmoor from 308, then size down to 7mm-08, then 6.5CM, to 6CM, and finally to 22 Creedmoor. Intermediate steps are a necessary evil.

Could you do case capacity test on the grendel brass before fire forming?

On the 7.62, would you consider doing something like a 7mm br neck sizer first to do it in 3 steps? Then you could get the neck to a more maneageable size before you start forming the shoulder.

When I resize 7.62x39 to 6.5 G if I anneal the brass it crushes every time. I just run once fired brass cleaned and lubed into the die and have no issues.