Too bad he had to die to be believed.

I have the utmost respect for Charles Vallow - he called it. But too late when someone was finally listening.

@lianehihath3439

Жыл бұрын

Charles was done so wrong. It breaks my ❤.

@Linda-jj1sj

Жыл бұрын

I feel the police didn’t act fast enough and serious enough.

@Spicy_Nice78

Жыл бұрын

I do wish one of Lori's relatives would've spoke out to validate Charles to police. It may have made a big difference. However I think there had to be so much chaos and confusion, not sure anyone would think that it would end the way it did

@therealz360z7

Жыл бұрын

@@Spicy_Nice78 if you read his divorce and custody documents during his divorce from Cheryl it gives you another perspective and im not critisizing Charles but he claimed to have mental illness and an alcohol problem that kinda gives him a history of an intense personality, and it's not surprising that Colby , Kelsey and others didn't take him seriously .

@kathleen8104

Жыл бұрын

His sister should sue that police station he knew she was going to kill him she told him so. He also knew she tried to get his life insurance to support her loser new hubby.

Lori is a serial killer who murdered children and should be referred to as such. I've never seen a serial killer granted such deference or dignity before and it is setting a despicable precedent

@mschlund1

Жыл бұрын

Mass murderer

Charles was the canary in the mine 😭 That poor man was married to a monster

@nadzach

Жыл бұрын

The dead canary is the warning. The doctrine is there for those who dig into it. At its roots, it's a cult. Money, power and sex.

@justmepraying

Жыл бұрын

Yes indeed he was but he is with God in peace but her brother is in hell for what he has done. I believe that they both should be given the death penalty and send them both to meet God

@jerrilynnwoolston9734

Жыл бұрын

Great analogy 🦜

Amazing how a narcissist can convince police that he/she is the victim! (Lori) Police training should possibly include interpreting manipulative behaviors accusing innocent people!

@kookietherapy9398

Жыл бұрын

It's a Huge Problem w courts and cops believing narcissists.

@shelbyindianajones3226

Жыл бұрын

i've had that happen in my own life a couple times. the police are such idiots where i live i just stay away from people.

@user-vz3fh6oj7d

Жыл бұрын

​@@shelbyindianajones3226 Yes, me too. Exactly 👍

@griffin2263

Жыл бұрын

the female detective loved Lori ..she would have done anything for Lori

@rOnda88

Жыл бұрын

I get it. Really anyone can be narcissistic (have narc traits). It’s quite different when it’s NPD (narcissistic personality disorder). Although, IMO, this is too mild a dx for LV. I believe she’s a psychopath. [Not diagnosing-opinion only.] Looking at her family, how they enabled her, the love-bombing, the repeated gaslighting, no emotion, extremely manipulative… This is a big part of why people believed her. I agree 10,000% LE & legal personnel need EXTRA & continuous training to the point of expertise in order to be able to determine what this looks like, to look into a person’s history, talk to their family (considering the source), acquaintances & friends… Did they have bullying tendencies growing up? What kinds of people did/do they seek? Are those people long term, short term friends? Do they seem to gain something from them? Did they get it? Are they very self-involved, only concerned about themselves, not others? What has been their reactions to sad situations & those where a person close to them or a pet is very ill or dies? It takes some homework because anywhere from one with narcissistic personality disorder all the way to psychopath, some of the biggest common denominators are that they don’t stop until they get what they want, they’re extremely good at it, they can pass a polygraph, & in all the many sources I’ve seen, read, & heard, this one I’m about to mention is prevalent in all of them- -*whenever one of these people has come into your life, & particularly when you have been targeted by one, RUN!‼️* You won’t beat them. You can try, but it’s rarely worth it. They can’t be cured, & they don’t think they need it. They think everyone else is weak & stupid & that they are the only smart ones. There is NO amount of $ I would not pay to be able to go back in time having known these things.

Great question! Why wasn’t Charles taken seriously. One part of the broken system is who law enforcement perceive as a victim.

Charles wasn't taken seriously because Lori had a plan... she stayed 3 steps ahead of him in addition to being a proven master manipulator

@pnwlady

Жыл бұрын

Her utter shamelessness, willing to accuse anyone of anything to make them look bad. She did everything she could to enrage him, then uses that to justify killing him. We will never know what happened, but I do NOT believe he struck Alex with the bat. They set him up and killed him.

@MadgeGreen

Жыл бұрын

​@pnwlady Yes, I totally agree. She also bragged to two of her friends that she had her ex-husband, Joe Ryan, killed, and they failed to contact police. I believe her accusations of child molestation against him were completely false and she not only had him murdered but slandered his reputation as well.

@gr122

Жыл бұрын

Charles married into a crazy family, and so did Melanie's husband he better watch out she is like her aunt.

@kjn3005

Жыл бұрын

Yes, I believe Charles didn’t have a chance. They were determined to murder him, they wanted the million dollars!! So sad! However, if one of the cult members would have shared what she (Melanie Gibb) knew with Charles they could have gone to the police! Instead Melanie sided with Lori and lied to Charles ( the games they played) remember Melanie was with Lori when she threw his clothes in the trash and hide his truck! That woman should be in jail!

@gingerharmon3674

Жыл бұрын

Why didn’t this lawyer that Charles went to, come up with a plan to help Charles get JJ?!!!

AZ really drop the ball with Alex Cox, time in jail for prior attack on Lori’s ex husband Joe Ryan, how could they not think it’s odd for her happy go lucky behavior while her husband of 14 years lay dead on the floor, Charles’ police report when he said she said she’d kill him, if they would have done a proper investigation three people would not be dead. The investigator didn’t even ask Tylee if Charles ever hit her, yelling doesn’t require self defense with a bat. sad…

@rebeccaswift7588

Жыл бұрын

Exactly!..

@therealz360z7

Жыл бұрын

Laziness .

@carmelamigliore1593

Жыл бұрын

Your comment is Spot on !!!!

@Tess-163

Жыл бұрын

Exactly and now there have been multiple murders bcos of slack police work I hope changes are made after this mess .

Yes, our society doesn't look at men ever being in danger from a woman. My brother found himself in an abusive relationship with a mentally ill women. She was really cute, but scary.

@pnwlady

Жыл бұрын

Ya, I’ve seen too many interviews where cute/charming women trick police/detectives. One reason to have women in interrogations, we can see past it way easier. Turning on the charm should be suspicious. She’s way too calm and “relatable” for my husband was just shot. Or even my husband is calling me crazy and trying to have me evaluated. She canceled his flight, stole his truck, changed the keys to the house, moved and cleared out the business bank account and minimizes it like that’s no big deal because he cheated? First off, I don’t care if someone cheats or not: doing those things is criminal behavior. The cops didn’t want to get involved. And they missed an opportunity to save multiple lives.

@Kay-fv7cw

Жыл бұрын

​@@pnwladyI've said the same thing. Police didn't want to get involved and minimized his complaints.

@therealz360z7

Жыл бұрын

My brother had the same problem she threatened him you will not break up with me ill see to it you go to jail , i don't know what she told the police but a swatteam busted my moms door in but my brother didn't cave infact she has kids that as adults thanked him and said he was the only bit of normal they had in there childhood and came to his funeral.

@mariasifuentes8816

Жыл бұрын

My son too. He went to the police and they laughed at him.

@ConnieLeinicke

Жыл бұрын

Same happened to my late brother. She attacked him repeatedly and he kept it from the family until he was too old and sick to successfully defend himself against her. Now it is time to write our victim statements. The system failed our family too.

It's so sad to me that Charles was not taken seriously from the start. This was preventable! 😡

There is nothing Lori can say to make anyone feel better or vindicated, the look on her face when she was given the sentence made me think that all the effort she put into trying to make herself look vulnerable and crazy didn't work and she looked pissed off.

@MadgeGreen

Жыл бұрын

It was the first time in her life that she had been held accountable for anything!

@lianehihath3439

Жыл бұрын

I agree, I also thinks her play of arrogance, her smirks, laughing is for all the viewers to think she is not phased by all this court, jurors, ruling etc...she wants us to see her as a Exhausted being that God has sanctioned her actions. She is not fooling anyone but herself.

I remember hearing Charlie's call with the life insurance company and his frustration that someone tried to get access to it

@MadgeGreen

Жыл бұрын

What frustrated me is how the Insurance agent kept making him jump through hoops to prove who he was when they had allowed someone else access to his policy!

@lyndaczika6327

Жыл бұрын

@@MadgeGreenI agree. That was SO ridiculous!! Yet he kept his cool..

It breaks my heart that Charles knew what was going on, pleading for help, and didn’t get the protection and help he deserved. He should not have lost his life, and neither should have JJ, Tylee, and Tammie. 😢 The whole thing is devastating. 💔

@madcatwilly9616

6 ай бұрын

...and Joeseph Ryan

Life insurance is why brandon had to go before the divorce with Mel was finalized....they all needed that money and it was all a group effort

@MadgeGreen

Жыл бұрын

Yes, why isn't Melanie being charged? I wonder who drove Tylee's car that day?

Props to Justin Lum for these interviews. It's really interesting to hear new details and perspectives on this case.

Charles was the only one who could see the future. 😭 Much love, Justin❤ Thank you for your amazing coverage! 🙏

RIP Charles Vallow.🙏🕯 A good man has been lost from this world. A man to emulate and be proud of. So hard to recognize a narcissist...and the truth of a person atm w/o really knowing them. When your gut says beware and something isn't right here, Listen. Forget the packaging. Forget the religious "club". Lori Vallow acted like a little girl sanctimonious airhead. She is not. Neither is Chad Daybell. Bless Charles. He gave it his all; the best he could. I, like many, am looking forward to the sentencing of LV. Bless all the families in their loss.😢 Forward in justice and healing. And bless us all.

@ldolan4051

Жыл бұрын

And for that he had to die for ears to be opened is deserving of dp. Can't believe she only is charged with conspiracy after all is known. Who else could be the ringleader in Charles' case?!! Alex bothered to say he shot in self defense, et ehem, all those details but not twice. Not twice. Do ya think. someone else shot too? They took dp of the charts for Manson crew, maybe they could add it for the vd crew. Just a thought

totally disagree with this lawyer. She's a malignant narcissist and so is Chad and when they found each other it was a perfect storm. Listen to the recording of her phone call with her sister. She defends being in Hawaii getting married while her children are dead by saying something to the effect of don't you think I want a life? yeah, she was all done with the good mother act and ready to get on with her own life only for herself. My opinion.

@mickeykyker4837

Жыл бұрын

Your correct in saying good mother act, because it was a act.

@Stelpots

Жыл бұрын

Agree and I think she only adopted JJ to make herself look good. I don't think she ever really cared about him.

@lianehihath3439

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. Loriliar was performing at a top level. She still is in my opinion. Her mental deception is on her. She can act like Jesus is all about her doings. We all know that is false. Go ahead Loriliar your are only kidding youri. Rot in prison.

@therealz360z7

Жыл бұрын

I was floored by that , who could possible say something so horrific she deserves some happiness ? Who could be happy killing there own kids for insurance to go off on a Hawaiian vacation and satisfy her libido ? It's beyond just mental illness and beyond just selfishness she had people fooled for years.

@circedelune

Жыл бұрын

I absolutely agree. I feel no pity for her or Chad. I think they are equally guilty. In my personal opinion, there is only one person who possibly believed their little fantasy, and that was Alex. I think Lori enjoyed playing out the fantasy, but I seriously doubt she believes it. Chad used the fantasy to get what he wanted, and she used the fantasy to get what she wanted. They left a trail of destruction and death behind them, and they couldn’t care less, not because they believe the fantasy, but because they are psychopaths with no conscience.

PLEASE.. Extremely important point missed here... Learn from this horrible case and tell anyone who potentially fears for their life because of a life insurance policy claim... To not only have it changed, but to TELL THE PERSON you fear, that changes have been made, i.e there is no point in killing for money. Tell them you have formally advised police, relatives, friends, in writing of your fears... Hell, do a facebook post! Tell them you have notified the police that if you turn up dead, it's because of this person.... This is the best EVER, life insurance policy in itself..

@Human4Peace

Жыл бұрын

Good advice

@charmcshane3517

Жыл бұрын

I told my brother HE HAD TO CHANGE HIS POLICY. He freaked out, "I can't!!! She'll find out!!!" HE totally sounded like one of those "LifeTime" women, scared for their lifes!!!!!! Breaks my heart in a million pieces 💔 😢. I don't know what to do. And he and his daughter are my ONLY family. At one time he tried to leave. He stayed with me for a bit. But he went back to her and she and her whole family, LOVE BOMBED THE HECK out of him. Her narcissist/manipulative ways are on par with Lori's 😳😢😪.

@StellaFl

Жыл бұрын

Excellent advice!!

@terrim5442

Жыл бұрын

Lori got Tylee’s and JJ’s social security payments for dead fathers plus she got a social security monthly payment for caregiver disabled child. No life insurance but about $6000 a month from social security benefits.

@MadgeGreen

Жыл бұрын

​@@charmcshane3517Have you spoken to an attorney? Perhaps they can give you some advice. My daughter is married to a narcissist who keeps her too frightened to leave. These type of people are predators and they are very charming until they know they have control over you. I pray for your brother's safety.

Justice for Charles swiftly 💔 She played the same card with Joe Ryan before she met Chad. Master manipulator even her brother was her pawn

@kerristewart3481

Жыл бұрын

And Chad tried with J.R. and then M.G. but was successful with Lori.

@Tess-163

Жыл бұрын

And Chad would have been her next victim it was just a matter of time before she got tired of him and killed him off too .

I also feel that the reason Charles wasn’t listened to is because he was a man and our society doesn’t believe men can be victimized by women. And just watch the video of Lori talking to that cop. He basically told Lori how to get around the psych eval. It is so frustrating because had someone taken Charles seriously, 4 lives could have been saved.

@Tess-163

Жыл бұрын

That cop was a rookie too bet his behaviour will haunt him for years

Just want to say, what a great job, you have done, in covering this case, Justin! Thank you!

They blow off charles like if he was a stupid little boy. They all conspired with Lori not to pay charles any attention and set him up to be killed.

@Tess-163

Жыл бұрын

Especially Janis Cox she threw anyone out of her house that spoke out in support of Charles stupid woman

Charles had to die so that she could kill the kids he was trying to protect, then Tylee had to die next so that they could kill JJ. So horrific

@julesjay424

Жыл бұрын

He was protecting JJ not Tylee. He knew what she did to Joe. He knew when he said she said “I’ll kill you too” he didn’t deserve what happened to him it’s heartbreaking and gut wrenching. But he wasn’t protecting Tylee, no one was

@meadowcrone

Жыл бұрын

@@julesjay424 you’re absolutely right

@hayalistanbul5418

Жыл бұрын

​​@@julesjay424Although Lori manipulated and used Tylee to justify Charles'murder... Charles was trying to protect Tylee too. He wrote emailsto everyone, informing that Chad Daybell had rated Tylee dark, a zombie and LV would murder Tylee too. ln FOIA documents you can see his e-mail to Colby Ryan. He is begging and saying, please do something to protect Tylee... At that time they hadnt rated JJ dark, he wasn't a target. So Charles Vallow really tried his best to protect Tylee. An it is documented and proven.

Oh! Even though he says Lori maybe is living in a delusion...I don't think so AT ALL. Her reality is what suits her. She has nothing to gain or lose to appear that she believes Chad. She knows her game is UP, she is quite shrewd and self serving...

Maybe Alex should have been arrested when he shot Charles. The police took his word for a bogus self defense bs. LE fd up and people died. This lawyer is/was too lackadaisical to handle a serious topic. If someone listened to Charles 2 children and Tammy and Charles himself would be alive.

@lyndaczika6327

Жыл бұрын

He should have been detained. Or, if anything, he and Lori (and Tylee) should have been brought in for questioning multiple times. Because no way would they had kept their same story. There would have been slip ups.

please sue all police departments that let all of this happen. literally ever one. all go to jail and lose their pensions. those children's deaths are blood on their hands. the reporters and family did all the police work.

@Tess-163

Жыл бұрын

What is their job then ? Who else can people in danger go to ?

@shelbyindianajones3226

Жыл бұрын

@eboston7591 oh but they are sure there to arrest YOU if you try and protect yourself.

@shelbyindianajones3226

Жыл бұрын

@eboston7591 not true. the side of many police cars literally even says "to serve and protect".

@shelbyindianajones3226

Жыл бұрын

@eboston7591 well then if you ever get into trouble with being threatened don't call the police. deal with it YOURSELF. i do not care who or what your husband is... i reported an endangered child who was possibly being trafficked and abused for drugs and the local police did NOTHING. so where is her, at 5 years old, protection? you basically answered that question. maybe that is why child are so exploited... because of cops.. if she is being raped HER constitional rights are being abused and it is up to the law in place to protect HER.

@shelbyindianajones3226

Жыл бұрын

@eboston7591 my answer to that is to abolish the police force because under your rules they do nothing anyway. that little 2 year old could be dead. then it is murder... ain't that illegal? guess not. the police are useless. fire them all then.

How about Tylee Ryan's dad. Did Lori kill HIM Also?

@barbtries

Жыл бұрын

i did hear somewhere recently that she did. through Alex of course, but I don't know if it's true or will ever be pursued. It was a "Laurie told 2 people I know that she killed Joe Ryan." so very hearsay.

@MadgeGreen

Жыл бұрын

​@@barbtriesAccording to a friend who knew her in Hawaii, Lori bragged to two of their friends, who later told this friend that Lori bragged to them that she had her ex-husband, Joseph Ryan,killed. They told this friend that they didn't believe her because she was always saying crazy stuff like that. If this is true, then this religious thing had nothing to do with the other murders.

@annebalderston2520

Жыл бұрын

Yes

Can we ALL just agree.....Chandler PD dropped the ball. In my opinion, I hold chandler pd responsible for the deaths of Charles, JJ and Tylee. After Charles was shot, the let Alex go. That was July, and then Lori bolts, kids are dead Aug/Sept.

@janroach1852

3 ай бұрын

I agree. Charles warned Chandler P.D. Lori had been threatening to kill him, THEN shortly after he DOES get killed by Alex who had been incarcerated for stun gunning and threatening to kill her first husband. As a felon he was not allowed to possess firearms! If they didn't listen to Charles after his murder, that was a ref flag and they could have stopped the crime spree right there. Not to mention Tammy getting shot at by what she thought was a "paintball gun" then SHE dies a few weeks later. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this out. What's up with Chandler P.D.? What's up with Rexburg P.D.?

TY Justin and Taylor. Great but heartbreaking interview.

He also had an obligation to Tylee. I will never understand how all of these adults failed this poor girl

Arizona blundered everything..charles deaths, Brandon's case. If they would have done their jobs, the kids and Tammy would still be here. Where are the charges against Chad and Melaniece...disgusting!

@yankeecitygirl

10 ай бұрын

Melanie the niece was a conspirator, the proof is that Alex was in the car, waiting, the night she tried to get her kids away from Brandon. Melanie Gibbs should at the very least be charged with stealing Charles' belongings.

RIP Charles.

Thanks Justin Lum and Nate Eaton for being true journalists!

Thank you for this interview and bless Charles Attorney for his insight and having him change his life insurance policy ❤

@gingerharmon3674

Жыл бұрын

That’s all he did! He totally dropped the ball!

Chandler PD dropped the ball..had Lori and Alex been arrested (at least Alex) i believe the kids and Tammy would still be alive today!..😢

@PrimetimeKCL

Жыл бұрын

💯%!! And Gilbert Police dropped the ball as well!! Had they listened to Charles, Charles may still be alive today!!

@sadiehughes6972

Жыл бұрын

I so agree those kids would still be alive today IF

It's still hard to put the picture together. "Convicted of killing her two children".

The AZ law enforcement involved really screwed A LOT of things up all along with way. Had they acted differently, some people may still be alive today.

Charles said in his interview with the police he was concerned about Tylee and JJ. 33:08

Great interview and information. Thanks for sharing.

Thank you for your coverage from the beginning Justin!! ❤

Thank you Justin!

This lawyer should have believed Charles for fighting for total custody for adopted son J.J. safety and welfare from the murderous word cursing Lori did against her own family members, that were Red Flags 😮😢.

Charles’ story breaks my heart. He wanted the kids and would have taken them no questions asked if Lori wanted to run away and live her life. She would rather have, and did, kill them rather than give them to Charles and let them live.

What a great interview. Thanks, Justin and Taylor! Such a sad, sad tragedy.

Chad was definitely in step with getting rid of charles. All LE needs to do is look at the texts and emails between the 2 of them.

Im glad Charles truth is heard loud and clear for all the world to understand.

You are my absolute favorite reporter and i love that you score the best enterviews! Thanks for bringing us the latest and greatest! Keep up the good work!😊

TY Justin, for your relentless pursuit of justice for Charles. You were one of the first, who, did not ignore the red flags that connected many dots.

Question…Mr Larsen said Charles told him he feared “Alex” was going to kill him. Did he really mention Alex to his lawyer? That is the first time I’ve heard Charles point at Alex. I know he feared for his life but I don’t recall he feared Alex specifically.

@MadgeGreen

Жыл бұрын

If he did, shouldn't his lawyer have contacted law enforcement and given them Alex's name at least?

@lyndaczika6327

Жыл бұрын

I have heard this before from Adam Cox. That Charles told him “if anything ever happens to me, it will be because of Alex and Lori. “

Those cops are losers in my book. they knew he this stuff didn't add up (per the video footage) and knowing they shot him a second time while on the floor.. Clearly shows murder.. That's ok guys.. she's cute.. let's let her go home and kill her kids instead of arresting them for murder.. no problem here..

@colette343

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely. Not one among them with a gut instinct to even take the questions a bit further? Still smh over that.

@julesjay424

Жыл бұрын

They clearly moved the shell casing in the video. Tylee was a minor, she never should of been questioned without social services there and a child advocate

@sadiehughes6972

Жыл бұрын

I feel the same way. The interview with the cop in the street with Lori & Tyler the cop seemed infatuated with Lori & forgot what his duty was. That interview really disturbed me.

If only the Police had taken Charles seriously when he spoke to them the first time.......his murder could possibly have been prevented along with Tammys.

Blows my mind how Americans speak about retrospective events as though there’s some heroic component to the story. Both Charles and JJ are dead …. Y’all failed !

@julesjay424

Жыл бұрын

Joseph Ryan, Tylee Ryan and Tammy

Great interview Justin, it is amazing to see how far reaching the actions of two people stretched.

*** Charles Did Think the kids were in danger.. He told the cop he didn't know what she is capable of and he is worried about what she might do to the kids.. It's on the cops video cam footage.

No one paid attention to Charles' statements probably because he was a big guy and looked like he could take care of himself. All too often, the wife is favored in these kind of cases, and tragically,that is what happened here. RIP Charles, you really tried to protect JJ. You were a good dad and husband.

Why didnt they advise Charles to move far away and go on a secret vacation, he might have been alive all now.

Charles, chad, and everyone else was under LORI'S spell.

Love this lawyers opinion of Charles, that he would have liked the kids going first to trial for justice for them, before him

Thank you!

So not one person in Charles life had a sense of urgency to his complaints. That’s horrible. RIP Charles.

Thank you❤

As always great reporting ✌🏼🇦🇺💖

Charles was a wonderful husband to Lori and a great father to Tylie and JJ . He basically worshiped the ground that she walked on he loved her very much, and it is so obvious. She, on the other hand, is narcissistic witch who, when she removed her mask, destroyed so many lives, including her own. My condolences to all of Lori and Chad's victims, and there are so many of them. She's a dark, hearted master manipulator. And her sidekick Chad is just as Evil 😈.

Her charges should have included premeditation. On all counts. The fact that the prosecution had 3 years to get it all together and didn't and therefore got the DP dropped is disgusting and pathetic.

Rest in peace. Thanks for trying 😢❤

So sad Charles lost his life because of this woman - Joe Ryan, Charles, Tammy, Tylee and JJ all victims - she cut their lives short. The doomsday cult witch.

She didn't want Charles to take or even Kay and Larry because she wanted the money that she got for having JJ

I can understand the attorney’s , dilemma , do I like it. ? Absolutely not.

Wouldn’t this man be a possible witness for Lori’s Arizona trial? Charles tried to protect himself from her.

Thanks Justin....lets get the police and lawyers to open their eyes to dangerous statements

My condolences to the grandparents. Yes, many dropped the ball and failed Tammi,Charles, Tylee, and JJ. Hopefully, the DP should be on the table in the other state.

#justiceforcharles

Any one of your videos with Justin has no audio?

Sad.... still if other people might lie. ...Charles didn't lie. Could have saved life's 😢😢

I love that shirt you’re wearing, Justin.

@debrachase3131

Жыл бұрын

Me too.

@ldolan4051

Жыл бұрын

Does look sharp

Another reason I like Nate Eaton of #eastidahonews. You need to make sure the audio is sufficient. I've got the volume up and it's still difficult to hear. Never a problem listening to Nate.

The biggest problem from the start of this is mental Healthcare is all about self reporting. Yes Charles got the order for her to be evaluated but when she went she didn't self report. And even if these mental Healthcare professionals KNEW she was full of crap they can do nothing about it. We just went through this with my stepson. It's a joke.

If only Charles had had the foresight/knowledge to recognize that her thinking was not fixable, hired a bodyguard, removed her from all of his business and personal accounts, took JJ to live with him, and disappeared from her life. He did not want a broken family, though. He tried hard to get her help.

So sad Charles wasn’t taken seriously. This is the power of a master manipulator..Too bad law enforcement and this attorney weren’t smarter than Lori!

Progressive polygamy by Lori. She won't have to worry about that anymore.

Excellent story

Oh God that poor man ,its just horrific ,I just cant stop shaking my head throughout this whole surreal horrific affair

That police department that Charles reached out too #should be held a accountable . The detective who interviewed her and Daughter was ridiculous to watch him be drawn in th Her deception and flirty innocent fisaud!

All cops had to do was to get charles wired to hear lori's threats!

Poor Charles , l feel so sad for him.

Justice for Charles Vallow!!!! He deserves it so bad it’s been way too long. He seemed like such a great man with such great character. We have not forgotten Charles now that JJ , Tylee , & Tammy finally got their justice. It’s time for Charles long over do !!!

I Don't think Alex Pulled the trigger.. I think Lori pulled the trigger. Alex and Charles were in their altercation and Lori ran in the room and grabbed the gun. and shot Charles when he turned around to face her.. Clearly he was shot by someone standing in the doorway of that bedroom. It was her, Not Alex imo. it doesn't make sense, if Alex and Charles are fighting, Alex says, hey hold on a minute Charles, I gotta run in my room real quick, wait here. then Charles supposedly is standing there twiddling his thumbs, no that doesn't even make sense..I believe there was no altercation between them at all.. if Alex is the shooter, then he just surprise shot him from his bedroom doorway.. prob called is name, and shot him when he turned around.. the place he fell shows he was facing the bedroom doorway. Can't they tell who shot a gun by residue on their hands.. maybe that was the purpose of the second shot. to put the residue on Alex's hand.

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Wow, never really thought about that. Maybe Alex was in the hallway waiting for Charles and shot him as soon as he walked in

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Thank God Charles didn't have to live through the missing and then reality of the murdered children. That would've destroyed him, just wrecked him. Justice is coming for Charles, as well. God speed.

Sad!

As a psychotherapist I have to add I see a real bias regarding seeing men as an aggressor and women as victims. In addition, good looking white women are given much more leeway than others in terms of these types of scenarios.😊

A little to late

Breaks my heart seeing the videos of Charles begging for help with LE.

Charles was a good man . Gave generously to her family . So sad .

Written incriminating death threats are also ignored and minimized, by law enforcement, along with reports of stalking. Murder and stalking are very connected.

My question is why didn't the lawyer advise Charles to tell Lori he removed her as the beneficiary after he did so. This would have largely removed her motive for killing him.

Anyone who mitigates Lori's criminal activity because they give her the benefit of the doubt regarding her alleged mental deficiencies, is fooling themself, and tend to be victimized by others like Lori.

What is with Lori and all these other adult women having sleepovers? Acting like teenagers with adult consequences.

Authorities should have listened and taken things serious. I have watched so many cases, where officials ignore. Complaints, and people die at the end.