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@bapbeepskull

4 күн бұрын

ok

@jesussaves852

4 күн бұрын

Jesus loves you and may God bless

@originalJoeKing

4 күн бұрын

Dragalge, magcargo, drifblim or rotom and all of his forms! 💪💪💪

@juanderijillo

4 күн бұрын

did we just get a false swipe chin reveal

@bdt2002gaming

4 күн бұрын

Hearing “Beard & Balls” in an actual FSG video was not on my 2024 bingo card 💀

RIP Lumineon, no How BAD Was Lumineon video. The ultimate dishonor, even worse than being Untiered.

@Wildcatt1999

4 күн бұрын

Ouch! Oof! And yikes!

@JJNWSGHOST0299

4 күн бұрын

It's rough being a Lumineon fan.

@thatman666

4 күн бұрын

Only the patreons can will that video into existence.

@CommentPositionInformer

4 күн бұрын

Well, getting your own 'Theorem' is at least a distinguish position. True disrespect is to all the *other* forgotten Pokémon in this video, who were relegated to simple instances of the Lumineon theorem.

@nightdazernoneya7993

4 күн бұрын

Righteous Red does a similar thing, fixing the Gen 1 Pokémon and making them all competitively viable and useable in-game, highly recommend it.

I’m convinced that half the Pokédex can be “fixed” at this point by giving them all half Fairy typing

@temhunter6341

4 күн бұрын

I mean yeah that makes sense given how good fairy typing is

@Materialist39

4 күн бұрын

poison type buff too

@pkmntrainerred4247

4 күн бұрын

Yknow its kinda funny how Fairy became the new Dragon. "Gardevoir, you were the chosen one, you were supposed to destroy the busted Types, not join them!"

@awqweird

4 күн бұрын

@@pkmntrainerred4247 I don't think that's a great comparison old dragon was broken because it only had one resistance and a stab 140 base power move, fairy is more strong as a defensive type because its only two weaknesses aren't the best offensive types. most of the old dragons aren't great defensively because they're quad weak to ice and ice is a very good offensive type.

@memekyu_memes

4 күн бұрын

Yeah, Grass Fairy Lilligant as an example

Bro gave Meganium 610 bst, dragon dance and STAB glaive rush with adaptability and said "yup, seems reasonable".

@memekyu_memes

4 күн бұрын

Literally Gamefreak when designing Pokémon.

@mathewricafrente5984

4 күн бұрын

That makes Annihilape seem almost reasonable

@pixelbro99

4 күн бұрын

Imagine if they gave it Grassy Surge and Grassy Glide. 😈

@TheDiscoGenre

4 күн бұрын

Meganium does suck a lot; its fine. No one wants another Electivire or Magmortar in terms of sucking.

@DarkAuraLord

4 күн бұрын

and it still probably wouldn't see OU in gen 9

Plusle getting banned to ubers 135 speed with 130 special attack , stab boltbeam and 1 time priority immunity is crazy

@terror2535

4 күн бұрын

honestly probably wouldn't even be banned with how gen 9 has gone

@grrman

4 күн бұрын

Eh, it'll behave like a worse Deoxys I reckon

3 күн бұрын

It will be NU by the next generation.

@elaias4955

3 күн бұрын

@@grrmanno it’s basically flutter mane stats with boltbeam coverage. straight to Ubers

@grrman

3 күн бұрын

@@elaias4955 Where it'll get absolutely trounced on and be relegated to UbersUU

Honestly these changes are so drastic they may as well be evolutions, which flies in the face of the notion that you're trying to avoid adding evolutions or anything in the first place.

@axlr8deathpls294

4 күн бұрын

Yeah, I don't like having evolutions for pokemon because 2-stage and single stage mons are rare enough and I like buffing mons hugely in my romhacks but it is very jarring to see 90 HP 90 defense 130 Spdef minun lmao. Feels kinda shallow since imo not every pokemon needs to be equal, they just need to be able to actually play the game and be usable. Also buffs like these are completely out of touch with in-game vanilla. Maybe if other weaker pokemon are buffed as well to the point the power ceiling becomes much higher but rn, just give lumineon 20+ SPatk, hurricane and quiver dance and call it a day.

@goGothitaLOL

4 күн бұрын

@@axlr8deathpls2942-stage lines/mons are much more common than 3-stage lines/mons by a landslide What are you talking about?!

@agatha6999

4 күн бұрын

To be fair they're trying to make them competitive unlike someone like Zen Mode who's just trying to make them fun to play or unique. I think they showed reasonable enough restraint in the sense that they had to make them competitive in some way without just going crazy

@StirFryTuna

4 күн бұрын

Yea the BST addition was wild, I was expecting at most a 20 BST buff as reasonable. Otherwise what buffs we need are some ability buffs or type changes. I do like the idea of makimg Lumineon into water/fairy though. If I was to rework Plus and Minus to be effective in singles as well, I'd just make Plus boost attack and special attack whenever an electric attack is used and Minus can boost defense and special defense when an electric attack is used (this works with twave wink wink). Oh and when I say an electric attack is used, it means from either you or the foe but no damage immunity so you still take damage from electric attacks.

@TheGreatSpanishBaldwin

4 күн бұрын

Yeah how exactly is adding 85 to base stats, new typing, overhauled moves and abilities…any different at all from mega evolutions? The only thing they did was retain 15 BST in exchange for letting them hold an item, which is just better than a mega.

Summary to this video: “We decided to give more Pokémon mega evolutions. But then we thought that would be repetitive(?) so we took away 15 BST, kept everything else the same in the script, plus they can hold items so now some of these will get banned.”

I’d like a more realistic version of this in line with actual gamefreak buffs… giving Meganium stats above pseudos is not an actual fix.

@eliarthur6868

4 күн бұрын

After Martactus bro lost me

@hamdepaf6686

4 күн бұрын

yea I wrote a similar comment. This video is just a big "these pokemon would be good if they where completely different pokemon"...

@shadowkirbae4289

4 күн бұрын

@@eliarthur6868 Same lol. Yea man let's give Meganium +85 stats and all those other buffs. What do you mean it's a starter and we can't buff only 1 of them? This video was just weird imo.

@dozokhu7392

4 күн бұрын

Once I heard plusle I became pretty convinced the rest of the buffs were a joke tbh

@scrittle

4 күн бұрын

The Lumineon buffs are completely ridiculous. When I envision upscaling a Pokémon's capacity for violence, I don't believe buffing it to pseudo-legendary status is warranted. Should've scaled it with PU in mind instead of OU/Ubers.

Well, so this is what happens when FalseSwipeGaming gets drunk.

How good was Nemona as a thumbnail ACTUALLY?

@peet-janissen5838

4 күн бұрын

ok i guess

@jasonkeith2832

4 күн бұрын

Depends on the artist.

@generalsynnacle23

4 күн бұрын

Anything Goes trembles before her.

@Triceratopping

4 күн бұрын

"UNFORTUNATELY..."

@CosmicPlatonix

4 күн бұрын

Nemona, in search of a new rival, has decided to challenge the True Queen of Being Clickbaited: Jaiden.

Surprised you guys didn't say "Dragon Hammer" instead of "Glaive Rush." It may not have a neck as long as exeggutor's or PRaikou's, but it still has a long ENOUGH neck.

@pixelwizardcornndawg

4 күн бұрын

that's what i was thinking too! if one grass/dragon type can use its giant neck to bludgeon things, why cant the other grass/dragon use its giant neck to bludgeon things?

@xiaoperior2153

3 күн бұрын

I agree. If tropius can learn it, why not meganium?

Update: Charizard has reached untiered status, among a host of other Pokemon swept up in the waves of Gen 9 powercreep. However, Iron Gosling has been quickbanned from SV OU for being too oppressive for the metagame.

@cgyh68748

3 күн бұрын

Based

Give Lumineon Quiver Dance or Tail Glow since its based on a butterfly fish and tail actually does glow

@shadowkirbae4289

4 күн бұрын

Yea a lot of romhacks already do that too, giving it Quiver Dance most of the time so I'm surprised it wasn't mentioned in this video, only Calm Mind.

@umwha

4 күн бұрын

This idea is much better than what they did in the video

@MrYouSerious

3 күн бұрын

Because they don't take the inspiration of the design in mind, mostly "what is good in Smogon singles"

@a_rat_named_mouse

3 күн бұрын

For the stats, I was surprised to see the boost to Defense. I would have kept it Specially oriented, with its Defense being left as an exploitable weakness. Boost the Hp and Sp. Defense, then give it Quiver Dance to let it be a bulky set-up sweeper. Potentially very dangerous with a solid defensive typing and strong STAB combination, but a glaring weakness to priority, wallbreakers and revenge killers. If you can't get it off the ground, it won't be super useful.

Ditto should be given an attack stat of 341 to buff struggle. This will certainly raise its usage.

@unaffectedbycardeffects9152

4 күн бұрын

Speed of 666 so you don't have to run imposter and trace as ability, to copy zacian's attack buff 3 times

@wilmahandfit

4 күн бұрын

​@@unaffectedbycardeffects9152 Trace wouldn't do anything since the stats of the opposing Pokemon are copied

@unaffectedbycardeffects9152

4 күн бұрын

@@wilmahandfit you are right, I was just testing this on showdown

@ValToadstool

4 күн бұрын

They should make a pokemon with an attack stat that high that only learns one move with one pp

@charaselect

4 күн бұрын

​@@ValToadstooland it's Revival Blessing

These buffs seem excessive. Did it not occur to anyone that you're giving meganium a 610 base stat total? Higher than even pseudo legendaries, let alone the other starters that it should be on par with.

@aztumtheknightofwumbo7060

4 күн бұрын

Gen 9 Power Creep and Paradox Pokemon min-maxing has broken him.

@yungmuney5903

4 күн бұрын

Imo, it's not really excessive when you look at recent pokemon designs.

@shadowkirbae4289

4 күн бұрын

@@yungmuney5903 It really is excessive tho, none of these buffs are even remotely realistic..

@CosmicPlatonix

4 күн бұрын

Justified. Meganium has been unfairly kept in the trash heap for so long that it *deserves* overcompensation.

@jonathanmercado8468

4 күн бұрын

Meganium is one the few starters left behind while rest got buffed with stats, new moves, or a different evolution. So yes it's needed

I love how these get more unhinged as the video goes on

Maractus I would say it needs to keep Strom Drain if we make it a Ground-type. A water-type thinking it is safe to spam water attacks will get a rude awakening when it realizes it just boosted Maractus's Sp. Attack.

@SuperWiggler

4 күн бұрын

Why would a Water type use a water attack against a Grass Pokemon? Wouldn't they just use Ice attacks instead?

@reallygoodsnusnu

4 күн бұрын

I would give I something that works like thick fat, call it desert heat or something. Being 4x weak to ice when people run ice to handle dragons is just a death sentence

@marzbar5877

4 күн бұрын

@@SuperWigglercuz they weren’t using the water move on the cactus, but the teammate that was in before it, silly goose

@silvermasamune100

4 күн бұрын

@@SuperWiggler It's neutral damage on a grass/ground type. Storm Drain synergizes with that typing by granting immunity where a resistance would be canceled out taking on a ground secondary typing (in this scenario anyways). Worth noting that the immunity would grant a free switch in and stat boost (Whereas Water Compaction doesn't grant an immunity for some reason even though the one evolutionary line that has it is WEAK to water). Though I guess the real question is which stat boost is preferable.

@SuperWiggler

4 күн бұрын

@@silvermasamune100 So why wouldn't you go for the doubly SE Ice attack instead?

We’re not going to give them a new evolution, we’re just going to buff their stats about as much as a new evolution would get

@noahberan6498

4 күн бұрын

I actually prefer that

@jonathanmercado8468

4 күн бұрын

You don't need to evolve every pokemon just start upgrading, new moves and typing is the best

I like how Ledian is so bad that now actually everyone start remembering its existence

@ragnaricstudios5888

4 күн бұрын

With Z-A coming out, maybe they’ll give it a mega

@erlkinglook4824

4 күн бұрын

My idea for buffing Ledian: Un-Dexit Comet Punch, and change it so that when Ledian uses it, it always hits 30 times.

@georgecortes3416

4 күн бұрын

@@erlkinglook4824It would become a Flying-Type move (comets "fly" through space, right?) and have 13 power because when you multiply that with the 30 hits, it adds up to 390, Ledian's BST!

@Joey15811

4 күн бұрын

No pokemon is forgettable anymore bar some from the newest 2 gens but all gens 1-7 mons have had time been in numerous forgotten or bad videos that they just are aren’t forgettable anymore

@odinjaynes5003

4 күн бұрын

@@Joey15811 idk sometimes I forget araquanid is a pokemon and I grew up with gen 7

Ironically, Lumineon and Maractus have become memorable for how forgettable they are. They consistently top lists of most forgettable Pokémon.

@scrittle

4 күн бұрын

I love both of them weirdly enough. Lumineon has the coolest water design ever but its stats suck. Meanwhile, Maractus has some combat viability with its abilities, but that's about it.

@kelly_times

4 күн бұрын

Exactly, neither of them are forgettable because everyone keeps saying that they’re forgettable lol Either way I like both of them a lot, they’re great designs

@Red-yt2dk

3 күн бұрын

Heatmor.

@patar00

3 күн бұрын

@@Red-yt2dk i’d argue heatmor isn’t a great contender due to being half of a duo. it’s not very often i catch myself thinking of mons like corsola, musharna, swoobat, tirtouga, beeheeyem, gourgeist, and shiinotic. sorry gen 5

@Red-yt2dk

3 күн бұрын

@@patar00 most of those at least have varying degrees of cringy puns as their name, save musharna I guess Musharna at least is the in-game explanation of hidden abilities Heatmor is a red anteater with tubes for some reason It's name isn't even a pun The only thing it has going for it is making it obvious evolution in the pokemon world does not work on adaptive pressures, cause why would you evolve a 4x weakness to your predator

Forget calm mind. Lumineon is meant to be reminiscent of butterflies with its design. Just give it quiver dance.

@iantaakalla8180

Күн бұрын

Furthermore, given that Lumineon is so mid it really would not help it much. It still needs that turn to do Quiver Dance, and you can easily kill it at that point.

You know who's really forgotten? RELICANTH. It went so long without being seen that scientists considered it an extinct species. I can only imagine the team at FSG have made a similar mistake as they continue to ignore the the primal paladin of the primordial pool.

@oliverdavies2022

4 күн бұрын

primal paladin of the primoridal pool is such a badass name for a fucking rock fish

@pacmanboss256

4 күн бұрын

ok but gen 3 regi puzzle

@spacewarp5850

4 күн бұрын

You can tell they’re forgettable if they didn’t appear in this video. I was hoping to see Grumpig

@misteral9045

4 күн бұрын

Relicanth got a video years ago, STAB head smash + water moves = ok

@benikujaku4567

4 күн бұрын

What do you mean? It's already the perfect lifeform!

Here I thought when Iron Gosling was revealed, its ability would automatically play The Nice Guys and your opponent can't skip it. Timer paused of course so everyone can watch it with their leisure

Iron Gosling is how you know BKC wrote this script 😂

In this video, FSG crew decides to have theorymon Thursday on Sunday

@DarkAuraLord

4 күн бұрын

Theorymon Thunday. Check your calendars, folks.

610 BST Meganium. That's way above any starter paygrade, dont you think? Considering the highest BST of them all currently is Swampert at "just" 535.

@cgyh68748

3 күн бұрын

Grass starters usually get the short end at 525. Btw venusaur had the higher BST in gen 1.

@neros_soren

Күн бұрын

That's why this is a joke. Iron Gosling didn't make it obvious to you?

"If Crawdaunt can get Adaptability then so can our theoretical Meganium" Yes but Crawdaunt has the defense of a loaf of bread compared to the proposed 100 hp, def, and sp def juggernaut grass dragon type lol

@skeetermania3202

2 күн бұрын

Plus Meganium already has a pretty decent Speed stat, while Crawdaunt doesn’t.

Leaning into Meganium's defensive profile: instead of Leaf Guard, Meganium should get Flower Veil - it prevents Grass-type allies (including yourself) from having your stats lowered as well as non-volatile status and Yawn. Right now, only the Flabébé line and Comfey have access to this ability, so Meganium will definitely have a niche as the only Grass-type with access to it, and it gives it some utility in Doubles too. It's also a straight upgrade from Leaf Guard, which only protects yourself from status in the sun.

@shiruotakuno28

4 күн бұрын

Meganium should be doubles tank with supporting moves, I've been saying this for a long time. Moves like Pollen Puff and especially Revival Blessing would work miracles for it. As the cherry on top, add 10 to its HP to give it the same BST as Swampert.

Meganium being given stats to make it stronger than a pseudo-legendary is crazy lmaooo

@goGothitaLOL

3 күн бұрын

and Adaptability on top of that

@iantaakalla8180

Күн бұрын

And Glaive Rush. They really wanted to outclass Baxcalibur, except Baxcalibur can boost by tanking Will-o-Wisps and Fire Moves and Meganium can’t.

Not a fan of randomly slapping unfitting types onto Pokémon in the name of fixing them, but interesting video regardless.

Whenever I mess with Pokemon's base stats, I try to keep them a fair bit more reasonable based on when they're obtained and evolution level/method. I know Lumineon is a legendarily bad Pokemon, but I feel like giving it a BST higher than Milotic is really excessive. Not everything needs to be OU viable, just viable enough to do something is good. So with that being said, here's my take on these mons. Lumineon - For its stat changes, I gave it +10 in HP (69 -> 79) and Speed (91 -> 101), and +30 in Special Attack (69 -> 99) for a BST of 510. I prefer the idea of Lumineon being a somewhat speedy offensive threat with utility options in the back pocket to support its team. So it can still use Defog and Tailwind, but it can also deal decent damage now too and get a jump on base 100s. But I wanted to go further into it being offensive by giving it a boosting move. Calm Mind is cool, but I'd prefer something a bit more exotic. I could argue Quiver Dance, due to Lumineon's fins looking like butterfly wings (not to mention it'd be unique as a Quiver Dancing Water-type). Tail Glow could also be argued since Lumineon's whole deal is glowing. But, it'd just be a budget Manaphy at that point. Also, I'd get rid of Water Veil for Illuminate, just for thematic sake. Maractus - Maractus being more of a Special Attacker than a Physical Attack strikes me as odd, especially since it has a much better physical movepool. So I dropped the Special Attack down -30 (106 -> 76), while bringing the Attack stat up by +20 (86 -> 106). HP gets a +10 (75 -> 85), while the defenses get +20 each (67 -> 87). For moves, I gave it Swords Dance to potentially serve offensively, High Horsepower as a Ground-type move for coverage that's stronger than Drain Punch. and Toxic Spikes for some extra hazard utility. Since I decided Maractus should be a physical attacker, I changed its Hidden Ability from Storm Drain to Rough Skin, since it baffles me why none of the cactus Pokemon have a contact-harming ability. Plusle and Minun - Yeah, I kinda got nothing for these two. They're gimmicks to the end no matter how minmaxed you make them. Meganium - Meganium is held back by the fact that Game Freak gave the Johto starters the same stats as the Kanto starters, just rearranged. My take on Meganium is actually very similar to FSG's, making it more physically focused. However, I made it slower and bulkier, dropping the Special Attack down by -11 (83 -> 72), the Speed down by -10 (80 -> 70), while raising the HP by 15 (80 -> 95), and the Attack by 16 (82 -> 98). It can hit mildly hard with Power Whips, Knock Offs, and Earthquakes now, but that's not its main purpose. Meganium is a bulky support/cleric mon, who's Aromatherapy can cure the status ailments of its teammates. So on top of that, I gave it Wish so Meganium can heal its teammates in Singles. Flower Healing can do the same thing in Doubles formats. I also gave it the Grass-type staple, Sleep Powder, which makes more sense for Meganium to have than Poison Powder. I also changed its ability from the extremely situational Leaf Guard to the excellent Flower Veil. I considered Natural Cure initially, but Flower Veil blocks status for the Grass-type user entirely, as well as working like Clear Body and preventing stat drops on top of that. It's a busted ability that's seen no use in Singles because it's stuck on mono-Fairy-types instead of being on Grass-types like it should be, and it thematically suits Meganium. I think these changes for Meganium would make it quite excellent in formats like RU or even UU.

@neros_soren

4 күн бұрын

Right, let's ignore that Lumineon was originally found in the last area of the game, eh? :)

@oravlaful

4 күн бұрын

the video's new plusle and minum are definitely no gimmicks, they're broken

@axlr8deathpls294

4 күн бұрын

​@@neros_sorenNo it wasn't, you could fish for it around the waters near valley windworks.

@Celon549

4 күн бұрын

@@neros_soren I mean, not really. Sure, that's probably where a lot of people first found it, but you could get Finneon as early as before the 3rd gym in Platinum.

@neros_soren

3 күн бұрын

@@Celon549 Well, considering they don't implement changes in retrospect...mostly because it's not even possible, your initial post doesn't matter anyways. If buffed that way, it would be placed accordingly. Learned something new tho.

Naaaah bro turned plusle into Flutter mane 😭

@iantaakalla8180

Күн бұрын

This version of Plusle is called Positive Charge

April Fools day was 2 1/2 months ago

@neros_soren

Күн бұрын

You're not allowed to make jokes beyond that one day? Damn...I have to rethink my whole life!

Wait... Where is Relicanth?!

@bapbeepskull

4 күн бұрын

Hold on.. You're right. Where IS Relicanth!

@Kael4king10

4 күн бұрын

Meganium but no Relicanth is unhinged

@Blanktester685

4 күн бұрын

Relicanth is at least known for being needed for regi puzzle in rse

@Luna-pg6xd

4 күн бұрын

Reli-who?

@facesoffearbrewing1229

4 күн бұрын

@@Luna-pg6xd You really-can't tell me you don't know who.

I think for Meganium the Radical Red approach of giving it fairy type with triage and draining kiss is actually quite large enough of a buff to make it quite an insane Pokemon.

It's weird that i always hear people talk about lumineon being a favorite because it's super cool design but then everyone also says it's forgettable. I'm on the side that loves it.

@iantaakalla8180

Күн бұрын

I think they mean the design is very good, but there is no reason to get one in-game or competitively. That is, when you look at the design, it is memorable, but you would never want to acquire a Lumineon except for collection purposes.

What if lumineon had dazzling, shed skin makes sense for singles, but dazzling would be an interesting buff for doubles and it makes sense

@grrgrrgrr0202

2 күн бұрын

Yeah, Dazzling and Quiver Dance... that'd be pretty sick.

The most memorable thing about Lumineon is it’s the Pokémon with the most base stat values of 69

@benwarped7272

4 күн бұрын

The most "nice" pokemon.

@Crabgar

3 күн бұрын

Honestly I remember it for having storm drain in mystery dungeon and absorbing my water moves from halfway across the map

@amateraceon5202

3 күн бұрын

@@Crabgar OH TRUEEEE everything you recruit just becomes absolutely USELESS instantly

One mon I never heard even one single person bring up despite being the ace of a character in the anime is Turtonator. An honestly pretty fucking cool design and it's just forgotten

I swear with all the buffs suggested over the years for Meganium, the FSG crew must secretly be Mr Stake fans

Lumineon is one of those mons' whose design I love that is useless. Welcome to club Absol.

Meganium just needs a mega evolution that gives it half fairy typing and goes all in on defense. No offensive boost, just raise its HP and defensive stats sky high with an ability like regenerator. That’d work.

Nemona in the thumbnail 10/10 video

@bapbeepskull

4 күн бұрын

nice eh?

@misteral9045

4 күн бұрын

People really will simp over anything and everything.

@memekyu_memes

4 күн бұрын

​@@misteral9045 so true man. I don't even get the thing with Nemona.

@generalsynnacle23

4 күн бұрын

​@@memekyu_memesHot [borderline-] yandere passionate Latino gf 😩

@aldwych285

4 күн бұрын

@@generalsynnacle23😦

I'm sorry but giving 85 stats is just too much, i think the biggest stats increase was 40 for masquerain you should have probably chosed that because yeah of course meganium is going to be better if it has pseudo legendary stats .-.

@neros_soren

4 күн бұрын

/woooosh

@DarkAuraLord

4 күн бұрын

too much for what? A theoretical idea meant to address an extremely flawed 'mon that wasn't even good when it debuted TWENTY FIVE YEARS AGO?! Lmao.

@munchrai6396

2 күн бұрын

Personally I think 50 is a reasonable cap for what to expect for Pokemon stat buffs before considering evolution. there's also the fact that Meganium is a starter Pokemon, which means its stats have to fit into a rough range up to 535. You could stretch that a little, but more than 540, just feels unrealistic

@neros_soren

Күн бұрын

@@munchrai6396 Doesn't matter, tho. FSG has a past of being upset about Meganiums state, hence the REALLY overtuned buff. Everything past Maractus is satire, made obvious thanks to the new version of Charizard.

@munchrai6396

Күн бұрын

@@neros_soren He gave 85 stats to all of the Pokemon, an amount that might as well be a new evolution for most of these Pokemon. IMO it makes the speculation less interesting when its not realistic

Someday we can combine all of these theorem videos into one and call it "Gamefreak is bad at power scaling": The Movie

@sleazymeezy

4 күн бұрын

*or* gamerfreak is perfectly competent and not every mon needs to be ou

@christiancinnabars1402

4 күн бұрын

@sleazymeezy "not every mon needs to be ou" Bro, tweaking a few numbers in the code to make some mons at least usable within a niche in-game is _not_ hard to do. Especially for a freaking AAA company. Not every mon needs to be OU, but we don't need so many mons being "I remember catching that for my living dex attempt 11 years ago" fodder. _Especially_ with Game Freak's huge focus on competitive play from Gen 8 and on.

@lief5957

4 күн бұрын

@@christiancinnabars1402 that's more in line with the pokemon company's push for a competitive scene than gamefreak's. if you look back on the older games, most of the pokemon listed here were intended to be that early/mid game pokemon you caught and potentially used, or literally just for worldbuilding purposes. The reason why so many of them are outclassed is because they're getting outclassed by the mons MEANT to outclass them, but the mons that were meant to outclass them are in turn being outclassed by newer pokemon. Not every pokemon is meant to be a super powerhouse, and that's okay. Its pokemon, not a competitive shooter. Look at the more recent game's early to mid game pokemon and they're (for the most part, Nacli) not that good either. It's just the good are being pushed down by the better so they're forced to play with the neighbor's kids. Just make a new lower tier and call it a day, then the nobody pokemon will be somebody again competitively. Though tbf Lumineon and Plusle/Minun are SUPER stinkers but Lumineon is in a region of mostly stinkers and Plusle and Minun have it good on every other aspect

@grrgrrgrr0202

3 күн бұрын

While I fully agree with that, it is still annoying that GF leaves so many base stat distributions and ability pools from old gen mons unchanged.

The only reason I remember Lumineon is because Lumineon V in the TCG is used a lot as a consistency option since you can search out a Supporter from your deck when you put it on the bench (yeah it just does that, mostly dead weight afterwards unless you can get it off the bench, fitting isn't it?)

Don’t forget to give lumineon misty surge as ability! …wait Seriously, wow, buffing a pokemon by making its stat higher and a secondary typing… how creative

Give Maractus Thick Fat, since cactus survive the hot and the cold of the desert.

I honestly think that Pokemon could use more individual gimmicks like signature moves and abilities to make each mon stand out at least a little. Even if the gimmick isn’t strong, it’ll at least give each pokemon something more interesting to work with than just being outclassed, and I’m glad that a lot of Paldean pokemon have seemed to be a lot more experimental with playstyles

@memekyu_memes

4 күн бұрын

Yeah, but I think they kinda went a bit overboard with some. The new Pokémon are pretty broken...

@pacoramon9468

4 күн бұрын

Paldeaan pokémon are super broken, is like having 100 Shedninjas.

@asierx7047

4 күн бұрын

The Shiftry school of fixing early gen mons: give it a cool new thing to do

@TheFlashyLucario

4 күн бұрын

@@pacoramon9468100 shedinjas honestly is pretty awful, especially with hazards (although boots do exist now I suppose)

@padelleinsalamoia

4 күн бұрын

​@@TheFlashyLucariothe 100 Shedinja when a flying grain of sand hits them 🫡

Plusle getting the fluttermane treatment and getting banned instantly

We're going to pull a Gen 9 is probably one of the funniest things I've heard on this channel😭😭

"Like offbrand cereal" Oi, oi. Offbrand is often better than the brands.

@DarkAuraLord

4 күн бұрын

only real ones know about Marshmallow Mateys.

@yserareborn

2 күн бұрын

The truth is brands often contract the same factories to make different cereal. It’s all the same.

@MrJinglejanglejingle

2 күн бұрын

@@yserareborn Yup. Which is why Offbrand is usually the best.

I remember back in October 2012 this one guy who swept a PokeTuber with a choice banded Lumineon. A week and a half later, I brought one to a Gen 5 Ubers match and ended up pulling off a 4 KO endgame sweep with it. I was cackling in disbelief that this happened. This is what I remember Lumineon for. A forgettable Pokemon with an unforgettable memory.

This feels like an April Fools joke

Considering Meganiums long neck and it's newfound hypothetical dragon typing, i think giving it Alolan Exeggutors signature move Dragon Hammer or whatever it's called would be appropriate over Glaive Rush.

Quite a missed opportunity not giving “the Beautifly of the sea”, as the Pokédex calls it, Roost and Quiver Dance.

Maractus has become one of my most personally memorable pokemon because there was a long time where whenever I tried to think "what's a forgettable pokemon" it immediately went to my mind, and soon became not forgettable anymore. Now it's just cute.

"Iron Gosling" oh y'all are DEEPLY unserious, i love it here

I wish Minun could be Electric/Ground purely for the pun

how to make every pokemon better: give it a -evolution- buff with better stats, more moves, a new typing, and/or a new ability.

@DarkAuraLord

4 күн бұрын

😎 yes.

April Fools video idea: The Vaporeon Theorem - Why Context is Everything

I vote purugly. It’s often times unobtainable in games, it was stuck on the 3DS until BDSP and Arceus, and now is still stuck in those games. It’s forgotten about by Pokemon themselves. And the games they are native in, it’s an exclusive that’s found SOOOO late in game. It is very fast and yet nothing can be done with it. It needs a buff!!

@suiway

3 күн бұрын

Random useless fact about Purugly! In Pokemon Go, the word 'ugly' isn't allowed in pokemon names. Even for Purugly. It won't let you rename a Purugly with the name Purugly. To reset its name you *have* to leave it blank and then cancel the rename.

Oh no FSG has been taken over by Theorymon Thursday posters Edit: nevermind I got to 13:45, this was definitely the work of Stinkpost Sunday posters. Fitting as it was posted on Sunday lol

If this video was made in a few years from now half of the gen 8 and 9 pokemon would be in it

Lumineon - Quiver Dance Maractus - Quiver Dance Plusle & Minun - OK Charizard - OK Meganium - OK

I will always remember Lumineon because it was the only pokemon I missed back in the Pearl days to get the NatDex

@maromania7

4 күн бұрын

Same!

false swipe gaming more like bad take gaming

The most memorable thing about Lumineon is it's battle cry reminds me of Palkia's battle cry. 😅

3:41 the ultimate disrespect is that garchomp survives

Feel like meganium buff was kind of weird - it basically became a legendary and lost its starter stat line - would have liked to see the stats redistributed instead

@neros_soren

4 күн бұрын

Missing the point, aren't you?

@lazerith84

4 күн бұрын

@@neros_soren Not really Incinaroar rules the meta with BST of 530, where Meganium is forgotten with a BST of 525. The issues for Meganium are the distribution of the stats the lack luster ability and an uninspired design. I didn't have an issue with other pokemon on this list because they are not starters. Starters have a clearly defined Bst between 520 and 535 (only Swampert's BST is 535). To say that Meganium needs a BST near 600 to be relevant makes it a psudo legendary and not a starter which takes away what little identity it had. I believe the spirit of making a pokemon memorable means staying true to the pokemon itself - like they did with Plusle and Minum.

@lief5957

3 күн бұрын

@@lazerith84 They didn't even really do that with Plusle and Minun though they kinda just turned up the stats and bs abilities and called it a day. A good way to fix Plusle and Minun is to lean in on their doubles inspiration and make them busted specifically in doubles and mediocre in singles. Plusle is no good in doubles still with the buff if we're pairing it with Minun still as Minun has NO redirection moves, so they can just one and done Plusle, and Minun sucks in singles still because its just Shuckle-but-a-little-better now, high bulk but can do little offensively. Meganium was just weird all around, a Dragon secondary typing is cool (not really now its 4x weak to ice and has a new weakness to fairy with only removing a fire weakness in return) but the stat buffs are way too much and the moves don't make sense? Meganium was always about that peaceful life, its based off of the stereotype that the brachiosaurus was an herbivore so its chilllll. Even with the new inspiration in mind, why give it Glaive Rush? Dragon Hammer is right there and it fits with the theme of every pokemon knowing that move having a long neck. Honestly just leave it at that. Give old pokemon new tools to work with instead of minmaxxing their stats, there's no creativity if every pokemon is just minmaxxed to do the ONE thing they were intended to do, let people be silly with their builds.

@lazerith84

3 күн бұрын

@@lief5957 I didn’t really think about the fact they didn’t give minun redirection - that would have been a nice add for the duo

@neros_soren

3 күн бұрын

@@lazerith84 Still missing the point... I would suggest you to rewatch the video and actually pay attention. And then I also suggest you to check if, BY CHANCE, FSG has a history of loving Meganium, which might have made this OBVIOUS over buffing happen. Spoiler below: (hint: everything after Maractus is pretty much satire/ a joke aka...you missing the point. But I guess someone saying that Charizard needs a new version because it's so forgotten went over your head.....somehow)

Bro turned Plusle into Regieleki 2.0 💀

13:52 I’ve got a sneaking suspicion that BKC is responsible for this section but I can’t quite put my finger on it

Lumineon is so horrible in competition that it's not even getting its own episode of "How BAD was this Pokemon Actually?" Ouch...

The meganium slander WILL NOT be tolerated

@iike9498

4 күн бұрын

Who's gonna tell em...

@Luna-pg6xd

4 күн бұрын

It aint slender if it true tho

@king_of_rats_Monfernep

4 күн бұрын

As a fan of Meganium, I completely agree

@king_of_rats_Monfernep

4 күн бұрын

15:47 and his stat total is higher than Charizard's

@catsinhats31

4 күн бұрын

@@king_of_rats_Monfernep crazy

All these Forgotten pokemons being goats and prevelant in Random Battles 🗿

Lumineon: Bulky support add fairy typing, update ability: illuminate (works as a passive follow me 30%), buff Hp and both defenses, water veil -> oblivious

Seaking is the original luminion 😂 of the world

@Watch-0w1

4 күн бұрын

They both should evolve

@erlkinglook4824

4 күн бұрын

For real, Seaking is just fish with horn. It has some interesting gimmicks like Megahorn, Drill Run, and Lightning Rod, but 95 Attack being its highest stat, along with 68 Speed has held it back for so long.

@gabrielmarchena1755

4 күн бұрын

@@erlkinglook4824 he's way too average almost the worst water type for generation one along side Golduck and dewgon

@silverloop9029

4 күн бұрын

dewgong

Giving Maractus an ability akin to Rough Skin that does damage on hit (but rename it to “Spiky Skin” to fit the cactus theme) would be a nice way to help it.

@indy5280

4 күн бұрын

Technically the “skin” of a cactus is very rough. There are a lot of the micro spikes on the petals which stings you when you touch them. The best way to get them out before an infection is by using something along the lines of hot glue on your skin to pull them out

Whenever torkoal inevitably drops to low tiers every generation, as it tends to jump around a lot as sun goes in and out of favor, or sometimes ninetails, I break out the maractus strats. Nobody expects that little monster to be able to sweep entire teams. With growth, life orb, grass move, weather ball, and spikes or giga drain, this thing basically becomes a venusaur of low tiers. It does take some setup, but the lack of good dragons in many low tiers cause it to absolutely dumpster many teams. People dont expect it to hit so hard and be so fast. Mind you itll never do anything in high tiers, but nobody expects maractus to just run through entire teams in RU/NU. Unfortunately, gen 9's INSANE power creep means this is likely over. But i love that little cactus.

I find it funny how most pokémon's changes turn them into their Random Battles counterparts. Like, Lumineon and Minun are so intertwined with Alluring Voice that i keep reminding myself that they are, in fact, NOT fairies already

I came here from “how good was arceus actually?”

I was about to skip the sponsor But come on “Beard and Balls combo”? Not only they fixed the Pokémon on the list But they made a fun ad on top

this videos feels like when I was 6 and drew in an extra 0 on various pokemon cards HP to make them better.

A Grass/Dragon Meganium with a meateating plant would an interesting design

I always imagined leaning into the defensiveness of Meganium. Making its stats 110 HP, 95 Atk, 110 Def, 50 Sp Atk, 110 Sp Def, 50 Spd. As well as changing its typing to Grass/Fairy, and giving it Magic Guard or Regenerator. In terms of new moves, aside from fairy moves, give it Wood Hammer and Dragon Dance.

@solitare4602

4 күн бұрын

I like this build, but you could give it Grassy Surge too. Make it a bulkier Rillaboom. Maybe give it Reflect and Light Screen. Oh, I know! Give it a signature move that's the Grassy Terrain version of Aurora Veil. That would basically make it a Grass/Fairy version of Alolan Ninetails, except tanky.

@napalmblaziken

4 күн бұрын

@@solitare4602 Meganium already has Light Screen and Reflect. But Grassy Surge or a signature move would be good too.

@exclamation744

4 күн бұрын

I wonder if changing Leaf Guard to function the same as Hydration would be good.

@napalmblaziken

4 күн бұрын

@@exclamation744 Leaf Guard definitely needs a change or to be removed. Unless Koraidon, Torkoal, Ninetales, or Groudon is on the field, it's not likely for a sun to pop up.

@exclamation744

4 күн бұрын

@@napalmblaziken the same can be said for Hydration. The point is that, despite seeming like functional equivalents, they're not. A Leaf Guard Pokemon can't run a calm mind rest set under the sun because Rest fails while under the sun. This is not true for Hydration in the rain; Tail Glow + Rest Manaphy, for example, is cured of the sleep at the end of the turn after Rest. Stuff like that is what I am referring to.

In my opinion you need to chose. Changing type, stats, move pool AND ability is neither balanced nor healthy. For example, a balanced way to boost Lumineon : +30 boost stats in total, give it roost back and give it quiver dance. Arguable on what you give it but the idea is nothing more.

This Meganium is going straight into Ubers.

Meganium: "I don't want viability, i want vengance"

I think Lumineon should learn Tail Glow, which could make it similar to a lower tier Manaphy, and I think it's pretty fitting

I’m glad you worked with your fans to make a video everyone can enjoy, instead of rolling out a thoughtless joke video. It shows you care about their ideas

They are really stretching the definition of Theorem

Gonna be honest, you should just give Meganium Drought. A grass type sun setter would provide great team support at shutting down waters. Being specially defensive too, Meganium could tank water moves and the follow-up ice coverage then Synthesis the damage off (boosted by sun). That alone would give it utility in different tiers. It could shut down Sand Force/Sand Rush users by negating the boost and resisting ground attacks. It might even come in handy against the mighty Kyogre in VGC, since the slower weather setter wins.

I think it's interesting how you easily buff meganium to be either defensive or offensive, depending mostly if you give it the fairy type and a bunch of support moves, or the dragon types and dragon dance

If lumineon and maractus are known for being forgettable, doesn’t that make them memorable in a way?

“Im not going to be doing mega evolutions because thats too easy” adds 80+ bst and a new typing to each pokemon

I'm really glad that they covered Charizard. It's been a long time since game freak thought about the fire lizard.

Me trying not to think of BKC's balls during the manscaped sponsor

I’m a simple man. I see Maractus, I click.

@iWantOreoz

4 күн бұрын

I see we are not so different, you and I

@originalJoeKing

4 күн бұрын

That guy has always given me the dancing scarecrows from the legend of Zelda ocarina of time and majora's mask vibes.

I love Maractus so much. I just wish it had sand rush instead of chlorophyll, so it had the speed boost while being immune to sandstorm. It'd also be unique since no grass types have sand rush as an ability, so sand teams would have a good option for an offensive grass type.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who realized Gamfreak never gave us a high physical attacking Sauropod dinosaur Pokemon.