Edit: to EVERYONE bashing the P76. It’s just won its 3rd Peking to Paris rally event. Stick that where the sun don’t shine. The car is magnificent and could’ve been a world beater had it had more developmental time and more commitment from British Leyland. G’day everyone. There’s an apology for the incorrect statement at the top somewhere else in the comments. Just wanted to point out, Ray’s American cars are over on the DCGT V2 channel which can be found here kzread.info/dash/bejne/hKeXxs6GfcbXh6Q.htmlsi=dkEU9twqDALLxdfr

@AGRADEMECHANIC

Ай бұрын

If ever any stock Leyland came even close to what stock FX and FJ Holden did, and early Falcons did, and Peugeot 203 , 403 and 504 did, in so many rallies inc the RedX Trials, I’d listen.

Loved this episode, and Ray is clearly what we could colloquially term as "a top bloke".

@davesclassicgaragetours

2 ай бұрын

Yup. Make sure you subscribe, there's more to come

A wonderful collection. He is rightfully proud of his efforts.😄😄

My brother owned 2 P76 over the years from initial production, and for the time they were beautiful to drive. Unfortunately, they were let down by very poor quality control. We drooled over the Force 7 when it was announced and were so sad when it didn't go into production.

@jefftheaussie2225

Ай бұрын

They made a lot more than the 10 survivors but they were crushed. What a shame, fully built up cars ready for the dealers crushed under a block of concrete. I have an owners manual for the Force 7V. There was a fire sale at Leyland where all the remainder was sold.

So refreshing to see cars from "down under" and WHAT cars!! That Force 7 is a beauty..and RARE!!!

@davesclassicgaragetours

Ай бұрын

Plenty of “down under” cars on the channel and plenty more to come. Stick around.

Omg that Force 7 style was ahead of its time! I’d love one

@jefftheaussie2225

Ай бұрын

They were to go up again

@jefftheaussie2225

Ай бұрын

They were to go up against the Torana V8, Cortina 6 and the Centura 6. They must have had a sneaky look at the A9X hatch. They have an excellent reputation as a result of being still born.

I have 4 restored ex australian army vehicles, but i do have a v8 4 speed manual p76, its really a great car to cruise around town or out on our many dirt roads.

You have a superb collection of Aussie greats there Mate Take care of yourself & these muscle cars of the past👍🇦🇺🍺

Blimey, a Force 7!!! Superb!

@davesclassicgaragetours

2 ай бұрын

Had to be done. Saw it come up for sale in Gippsland and was straight on it.

To lay eyes on these beautiful cars is something that transports me back to time when these cars (other than the Force 7) were available to the masses.

Mate that was brilliant! I’m jealous. A Chrysler guy myself (on my channel) this guys collection is stunning. And give me that Force 7 over any Holden or ford!

@davesclassicgaragetours

2 ай бұрын

It’s quite something. I was under somewhat of a time constraint and wish I’d had more time to discuss the fibers details but it was the first car we covered and as you can see, there’s plenty more. Ps The Pacer is in the next ep 😉

Thanks for the view of Ray's terrific collection. I read about Ray quite a few years back in a Chrysler magazine and his maroon CL Charger was featured and it is so nice to see the rest of his cars. Not really buying into this about the Force 7 being the only true Aussie car, but I will say this. The VH Valiant was designed in Australia with Americans present and the Charger was designed behind the Amaerican's back.

@davesclassicgaragetours

2 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it. The claim is from someting I've read or watched in the past few days which of course, I cannot find now.

What an amazing collection of vehicles , Ray for Prime Minister

Amazing cars and a humble bloke , but at the end I saw a 1999 - 2004 Mustang Cobra behind him as he was sat , I had one myself for a few years [ cobra ] an amazing car itself and I can relate it was then one of two in the UK , mine was also White , striped and bloody fast when you wound it up over 3k you could hunt motorbikes with it , ahh why do I sell my stuff? .

I remember when i was an apprentice and these cars were new an E37/8 came in for a service and adjust the carbs, well the bloke who was doing the job couldnt get the carbs balanced and i sort of volunteered begged to be allowed to give a hand. So a bit later on job done and its road test time Jayzus what a blast !

I would love to see those beautiful cars built again, with some modern electronics and the like.

Thanks Dave and huge thanks to the Aussie old school bloke. A generation of real hard working Australians that helped to build the very successful nation we have today. What an absolute legend of a collection The R/T is seriously beautiful and in that Workshop/ Aussie car history. I’d be absolutely delighted to have the access you had Dave. Very special place indeed. Bless this bloke he knows probably every nut and bolt in that complete collection. The best I’ve seen for a very very long time. Millions of Dollars and millions of memories and stories ❤❤❤🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺👍👍👍👍👍

@davesclassicgaragetours

2 ай бұрын

No worries Patrick. Glad you enjoyed it. Plenty more Aussie content on the channel. Make sure you subscribe to keep up with all the releases

Nice CM Chrysler there. Drove a wagon version as a Staff and courier Car in the Army, way back in the early eighties. Chronically under rated vehicles. Smooth, reliable, cumfy. Huge. I previously had a Ford Fairlane limo, the big wogbox was vastly better in every regard.

I have a customer in the Sutherland Shire of Sydney with a green force 7 in near mint condition. Hes owned it for 25 plus years

@davesclassicgaragetours

2 ай бұрын

I wonder what the record for a group of Force7's coming together is

That's bloody brilliant!!

Nice collection, I'd love to see more❤

beautiful cars....love aussie muscle ..

@davesclassicgaragetours

2 ай бұрын

Make sure you subscribe for plenty more to come

I really enjoyed watching those cars. Eye candy the lot of them.

@davesclassicgaragetours

2 ай бұрын

Thank you 🤗

@davesclassicgaragetours

2 ай бұрын

More to come. Make sure you subscribe

Absolutely fascinating 👍👍

Always dreamed of owning a force 7 such cool coupes i remember well when the first p76 came out and i remember the first one i saw here in nz.i was 6 or 7!!🇳🇿

Love that Orange amazing car collection wow

I've been a P76 fan since I was a small boy, but - being that I'm in NZ - had never heard of the Force7v until about 10 years ago. Once I saw one, I cursed the BL mob soundly for killing it off before it had the chance to enter the world stage (well, at least the Antipodean one) and be counted, because I reckoned it would be a force (no pun intended) to be reckoned with - especially in The Great Race (aka the Bathurst 1000 for the uninitiated). Gorgeous yet masculine lines and a top end interior finish, with the superb 4.4 litre all-aluminium V8 up front and with the option of a 4-speed manual box, if they had been more common, there would definitely be one parked in my garage now. Yet to see one in the flesh, I thoroughly enjoy seeing one on video in any way manner or form - especially one that looks like this. The P76's V8 engine not only gave the cars a great workhorse with plenty of torque, they were also used extensively in jet boat racing circles both here and in Australia. The beasts have a unique sound all of their own and although I don't have a P76 car, I do have one of the V8s in my Triumph Stag. Some would consider it sacrilegious and when I looked at the car initially, I had a Stag engine lined up to go back into it. However, during the test drive, I stomped on the loud pedal to see what the engine had available. The Stag squatted on her haunches and then launched forward with a furious roar that is still as intoxicating now as it was when I bought it. I knew right then that the P76 engine would stay right where it was! Sure - they have their idiosyncrasies and certain parts are not as easy to acquire, but they are a robust, sturdy and largely bullet-proof engine that performs magnificently.....unlike a certain Triumph engine I could mention. I still like the sound of the Triumph V8 but would I own a Stag with one in it after having the big Leyland? No. No I wouldn't. Valley gaskets, oil pump vagarities and distributor issues aside, I could never ask more of the engine that a previous owner transplanted into my Stag....and the issues were easily remedied and for little (comparative) cost. Best of all, the car is always ready for a blast in the country and I have no worries about what it might be doing to itself internally. Thanks for the walkaround, mate. Ray's collection is a true reflection of the differences we had in this part of the world compared with what came out of America or what the UK had on offer from the same key manufacturers. There were other BL / GM / Ford offerings that were way different too, so if you get the chance, see of you can hunt some down. The bods in the UK would positively drool over some of them! All the best.

@davesclassicgaragetours

Ай бұрын

Great write up and that Stag of yours sounds awesome. Aim of the game round these parts is to bring the audience something different so I’m always on the hunt.

Had a chat to ray 19 years ago at a show about this gem :)

That 770 is beautiful👍

Beautiful Cars

Great video. Thank you.

@davesclassicgaragetours

2 ай бұрын

Glad you liked it!

I have been a devout Ford fan all my life, now 76yo, but when the Force 7 was first shown it won my heart as a beautiful car, even if I could never have afforded one. Sad day when it did not go ahead to production. Even the P76 struck me as being under rated here. It was a Skippy mobile, not imported tin.

@davesclassicgaragetours

Ай бұрын

Sure was Michael. A couple of sliding doors moments and it appears it would’ve been a feted Aussie icon in the same way GT Falcons and Monaros are nowadays.

My late dad owned a Charger XL 245 cubic inch six with three on the floor. 1972 model I think. One of my younger brothers owned a Charger 770 with a three speed auto, six cylinder engine and was about the same vintage as the one featured in this video.

@davesclassicgaragetours

Ай бұрын

Cloth or vinyl?

@gaufrid1956

Ай бұрын

@@davesclassicgaragetours My dad's Charger had vinyl seats. I think my brother's Charger had cloth, as it was an upmarket version.

Really nice looking car, at least by todays standards. Great engine too. Based on the Buick 215CI.

Beautiful machines

@davesclassicgaragetours

2 ай бұрын

Yes they are!

The Colour is Burnt Orange if that helps. Many years ago I had a P76 with a Force 7 steering wheel and the Targa Floria wheels. P76s were an advanced design for their time. Just let down by bad quality, even by 1970s standards. Really good car to drive. Massive boot as well. I brought home a complete V8 in the boot, with room to spare. Also the owners club president had an identical looking Force 7 in the 90’s. They look fantastic.

@davesclassicgaragetours

2 ай бұрын

Leyland called it On Th’range or something like that. I reference it in a graphic in the video.

@gregbryant4666

23 күн бұрын

⁠@@davesclassicgaragetoursyes it was Home On Th’Orange.

I liked the look of the Force7, but the Alloy V8 ended up in a few Boats, but having a Chrysler at the Time, I called the P38, as Leyland's collapse reduced it to half the car it could have been... Great to see so many Chargers Saved ..

@jefftheaussie2225

Ай бұрын

They were also referred to as the Leyland P19, only 1/4 of a car. Like a child only a mother could love.

Love those Aussie motors.

Worked for a while at the Zetland factory. There were F7 bodies stacked up and then crushed. Saw a few being road tested. This was the one they SHOULD have built. The rest of Leylands offerings were awful.

@davesclassicgaragetours

Ай бұрын

Wasn’t the Kimberley a good car?

Looks a beautiful design.

@davesclassicgaragetours

2 ай бұрын

Awkward yet beautiful

It's a magnificent looking car. If this had survived the debacle that was British Leyland, they would have sold many to the more sophisticated muscle car crowd. The styling looks good for even today. Typical of the Brits of that era, great inventors and innovators, lousy management and marketers. Not today thank goodness, although who'd have ever thought Rolls would be BMW, Rover Indian owned!

Yes the force7 is a real curiosity but boy that red chrysler is absolutely beautiful

That "alloy-v8"-was a "small-block"-Buick-used under licence by Leyland--It was a great little motor,-until Leyland got hold of it !--also those P-76's-"you could put a 44gal drum in the boot"--it looked like it too !!-there's one near my place,(witch I avoid)-

Wow ray what a line up

@davesclassicgaragetours

2 ай бұрын

Certainly is

Its run by a Pommy version of a Yank V8 and overall designed by an Italian.....yeah, real Aussie eh? But, I love P76's and that Force 7V is outstanding!!!!

@davesclassicgaragetours

2 ай бұрын

You got one part right.

This car is bloody great. 😍 It could have been a world beater - Leylands answer to a Ford Capri on serious steroids

@davesclassicgaragetours

2 ай бұрын

Should’ve been

Cool Guy and a cool collection. Shame you kept cutting him off when he was trying to tell you something.

I have seen some videos of UK car shows in the UK with P76^'s on show, one in the baby poop brown and the other in green.

@davesclassicgaragetours

Ай бұрын

You want brown? I got brown. Stay tuned 😉🇦🇺😂😉

My Dad had a light -blue 1971 valiant 4-door sedan, a Hemi Pacer. (NSW rego: AEI 186). I remember him getting really annoyed with it when after running it, turning off the motor, and then on a hot day (vapour-lock?) take ages to restart. It annoyed him so much he sold it. He later said he always regretted selling it. He bought a green Torana with the pointy front (GML 498). Plates are just if anyone knows these cars- a very l o n g shot I know.

The P76 was often known as a P38 by people who thought it was only half a car. The huge boot that could hold a 44 gallon drum made them look a bit weird. The Force 7 was much better looking. Sadly Australains are rather traditional with cars or were back in the 70s. The big three were Ford, Holden and Chrysler and so Leyland were only known for small cars

That was coool as

hey charger! ✌

Well, as has been pointed out, there are in fact some foreign parts on the Force7 (the block for one, occurred to me in the middle of the night after posting). I’ve tried to locate the material I quoted to no avail but can only assume it said “most Australian car ever built”, so I’m going with that despite my journalistic instinct telling me I should gather three qualifying pieces of evidence. Anyone who wants to suggest other cars are more Australian than the Force7 should add evidence below.

@UsEr-839djsjwo68

2 ай бұрын

Dave, It should be remembered that the P76 had really only just gone into production and much of the proposed work to localize the components was still in progress. The engine, for example, was made from imported castings machined in Australia. However, an Adelaide supplier had been selected, Castalloy, which had supplied thousands of high quality local castings to the engine plant which were ever used in the P76. The P76, in my opinion, (and yes, I did own a V8 I bought from a car yard in 1976 cheap because they thought it had a blown head gasket) was basically an extremely well designed car very suited to Australian conditions. It would have been a seriously strong threat to the big 3, Holden, Ford and Chrysler. The Force 7 with OHC Alloy V8's would have blown them away on the Mountain. The automotive industry at the time was not happy with the added competition and did everything it could to undermine production at Leyland such as loading up component schedules at suppliers thus causing shortages at Leyland which added to their already legendary quality issues. If viewers want to find out the true history there is an excellent book by Gavin Farmer, "Leyland P76, Anything but Average" which I would recommend to anyone interested. Great to see your video on these historic cars. Thanks.

@alfinpogform4774

2 ай бұрын

@@UsEr-839djsjwo68 I remember about 35 years ago a friend of mine telling me about the P76 her dad bought brand new. She was laughing as she told me that when he washed it for the first time that every door and window seal leaked into the cars interior. So, it may have had some teething problems with quality at the time, but yes, these were awesome cars and I wish I owned one. Outside of the odd car show I haven't seen one driving on the road since the early 1990's, I wish there were more of them about today.

@davesclassicgaragetours

2 ай бұрын

@@UsEr-839djsjwo68well thank you. May I also guide you to the Shannon’s series, Design to Driveway which can be found right here on KZread. A wonderfully interview with David Hardy who was on the design team. Rest of the series isn’t bad either.

@davesclassicgaragetours

2 ай бұрын

Oh I used to see one or two about up in the northern suburbs of Melbourne quite a bit.

@stevev6002

2 ай бұрын

The 4.4litre p76 block has a higher deck height than the rover 3.5/Buick 215 and rover 4.6. Many rover parts will not fit either. It has Chevy style rockers, different crank, starter motor suprisingly not a swap either., wider inlet due to higher deck. Different head oiling, through pushrods. Different rods, Pistons, cam, lifters are interchangeable...Heads can be swapped though, oil will lubricate the shaft mounted rockers of a rover...but fingers crossed moment. Different valley and rear mains gaskets. I believe CAC Australia may have done the block casting for Leyland. It is not found in any other cars....unless car was engine swapped in the 80's.

I would say the reason the rt 6cyl charger went better is cause it would rev out harder.

Should have been sold in the UK as a Triumph

Does anyone remember the green one that was housed at Leyland in Preston (Melbourne)?

Didn't they use a version of the Rover/Buick V8? And weren't the six cylinder P76es powered by the Triumph six?

That orange two door Leyland P76 would be extremely rare today. Even the 4 door saloon is. A very good example .

@davesclassicgaragetours

2 ай бұрын

All 10 are still ‘alive’.

@fotorabia

2 ай бұрын

@@davesclassicgaragetours One is in New Zealand which was Lord Howe of British Leylands. It was bought and imported into NZ. Ive photographed it.

@flytoday

2 ай бұрын

I had a mate who had about 8 P76s and they went like stink if you stage 2 the engines

@user-ix4wn1th5m

2 ай бұрын

@flytoday I can remember them on our roads here in New Zealand in the 1970s , they were assembled here.

@flytoday

2 ай бұрын

@@user-ix4wn1th5m they weren't a bad car for the time but everyone wanted a Bathurst winner

Why oh why was the Force 7 not imported back here in the UK. Would have been a company directors winner..

@davesclassicgaragetours

Ай бұрын

You reckon they could’ve sold a 4.4L car that wasn’t a Jag?

our company made the diecast tooling for the louvred cabin vent

"The only fully, from head to tail, Australian built cars, ever produced". You got me wondering with that statement? The only way it could make sense is that every part of the car was made here, as you'd know both GM and Ford used some American parts on the Holden's and Fords here, speedos, steering columns etc. Is that what you meant? By the way, great video.

@oddball_bricks8

2 ай бұрын

its not an fully Aussie car the engine is a uk design so its less Aussie then something like a valiant charger lol

@davesclassicgaragetours

2 ай бұрын

That’s exactly what I meant. I heard or read it the other day. Of course, since everyone’s pulling me up on it, I can’t find the reference. Plus it occurred to me today, the engine block would’ve come from the UK, so it’s probably wrong anyway.

@flytoday

2 ай бұрын

​@@davesclassicgaragetourswe will always be a colony

@keithammleter3824

2 ай бұрын

@@davesclassicgaragetours Not the engine block. The whole engine complete with electrics and fuel system came from the UK. Leyland Australia did not have the capability of making engines, and the parent in Britain insisted they supply whole engines so that they met emission specs.

@TheTramchannel

2 ай бұрын

​@@davesclassicgaragetoursAustralia never manufactured round headlights either. They're either Lucas UK or General Electric USA

😎

@davesclassicgaragetours

Ай бұрын

Oh yes indeedy

As I watched this, one thing kept popping into my mind. Mel Gibson.

There is one in the UK

@normanjulian5537

23 күн бұрын

New Zealand now and has been for years.

That FORCE 7 would have been a winner in the then Australian market.

I've only ever seen one, and only found out what it was by asking the owner.

bought a targa florio out of Heyfield mid 90s ,manual box packed it in 6 months later and the mechanic tried retro fittin a top loader but that didnt work ,it all got too hard and he ended up givin me 500 hundred bucks for it and a HT ute with reg rwc

@davesclassicgaragetours

2 ай бұрын

Did the Targa end up getting done?

@PETERNESS

2 ай бұрын

@@davesclassicgaragetours no idea mate ,i lost contact with him after that ,i liked the idea of something different and a v8 manual sealed the deal ,i think he scammed me to be honest as that ol Holden was a deathtrap ,im sure the ol Leyland gearbox magically turned up and he either kept it himslef or sold it for a tidy profit

@robertmorris6529

2 ай бұрын

​@PETERNESS standard BW 4/5 speed Sigma , Commy , Falc etc.

For some reason, lost to time now, I had those alloy wheels on an HT Monaro back in 1983/4. It wasn't until after I had sold the car that I came across a photo of a Force 7 in a magazine and recognised the wheels. I've never seen them on anything else so they must have been made for the P76, so pretty rare even back then. The car, and the wheels, are long gone now, sold it toooo cheap, but don't go there............

@davesclassicgaragetours

2 ай бұрын

We’ve all done that Christipher.

Nice car collection... lovely gentleman... but please, close a pilarless door by the door handle, not by the glass.

@davesclassicgaragetours

2 ай бұрын

Noted

home on th'O range. Ripper

This guy had to walk past a bunch of Australian designed and built cars just to say the p76 is the only Australian car. I think you got a few screws loose mate😂😂

@davesclassicgaragetours

2 ай бұрын

Did I say that?

@user-ik4in3pq2f

2 ай бұрын

@@davesclassicgaragetours the title literally says "this LEYLAND is the ONLY true blue Aussie car" completely disregarding our Australian designed and built Holdens, Chryslers and Ford's which we have many. So yeah, ya did say that

@arnbo88

2 ай бұрын

@@user-ik4in3pq2f Bloody Oath this pommie stated that. It's something of an insult to Chrysler Australia who went to great pains to make an all Australian muscle car. The VG Valiant Pacer was a very Australian muscle car with it's hemi six and rectangular headlights. The Valiant Charger had a very different shortened wheelbase and rear end compared to it's American counterparts. This narrator needs to do more research.

Nice red 300ZX in the background......😂

@davesclassicgaragetours

2 ай бұрын

You know it!

Looks like a Ford Capri...

I put in a lot of lotto tickets to buy this Force7 but to no avail, they are a beautiful car to look at and drive. To think the force7 was only 6 months away to go to the Great race Bathurst 1000 when Leyland pulled the plug. Very sad 😞

@davesclassicgaragetours

2 ай бұрын

It's a bloody tragedy mate that's what it is. A very high up Tory minister in the UK once told me the failure of the British car industry didn't come from the strength of the unions but from the failures of poor management. I have to agree.

Is the average muscle car collector well into his 70s?

@davesclassicgaragetours

2 ай бұрын

maybe not that high, but it's up there

Leyland kind of sums up everything that was wrong with the post-war British industrial scene. So many great cars, concepts, inventions... all flushed down the toilet by a combination of inept management and short-sighted workforce.

@davesclassicgaragetours

Ай бұрын

I reckon that Princess made by the glass manufacturer was one of the best.

My father had the job of forklifts them into the crusher. He would come home crying.

@davesclassicgaragetours

Ай бұрын

I bet he did. Sacrilege. Imagine that, $40M Aussie dollars worth today down the swanny.

P76 worth a fortune 2024 " 😃 😀 😄 😁 🤣 ahhhhh

I have a brand new owners manual for one of these

@JohnSmith-pl2bk

2 ай бұрын

What...a Force 7?

@obiemichaels9675

2 ай бұрын

@@JohnSmith-pl2bk yep a force 7 new old stock

@JohnSmith-pl2bk

2 ай бұрын

@@obiemichaels9675 EBay it?

@jefftheaussie2225

Ай бұрын

There must be a lot of them around, I got one at a swap meet 20 years ago, he had a stack of them. Not a Leyland fan but I thought it was worth the $5.

Ever wonder where the L in LS comes from?

The most true blue Aussie car ever.. I.E. British owned, like Australia itself haha

Look. I'm no oil painting, but that car fell out of the ugly tree, and hit every branch on the way down.

@davesclassicgaragetours

2 ай бұрын

All in the eye of the beholder Sean.

"quality control"😂

Wasnt a big KW V8 leyland force 7

Very miss loved car Was way before its time.

How could Leyland always get the back so wrong the front of the Force 7 is quite tidy

@jefftheaussie2225

Ай бұрын

A lot of British cars suffer from the same thing I reckon, front good back looks like the back of a bus.

If Ray was a humble mechanic, where did he get the money to buy and do them all up?

@davesclassicgaragetours

2 ай бұрын

Listen again.

@kimhenry5658

2 ай бұрын

Not just a humble mechanic but into trucks (with driver employees) then to transport in general. There is an amazing car collection here in Tasmania that’s owned by a one time truck owner so there must be lots of money to be made by a canny operator. Plus this guy is a magician with restoration so some of what he’s got cost way less than what it’s worth now.

@jefftheaussie2225

Ай бұрын

Lindsay Fox has a pretty good car collection apparently, he has a few trucks too.

Best vid ever

@davesclassicgaragetours

2 ай бұрын

Hmmmm but thanks for the comment

Not too many around how about none showroom charger 770 V8 4 sp

I thought it was a ford Capri

Nothing as good looking as a straight 6 with side draft twin barrel triples...

That's not true, no round headlights were ever made in Australia

@davesclassicgaragetours

2 ай бұрын

Fair dos. Title has now changed

Ray has immaculate taste in fine motor vehicles. He's not quite right on the Force 7, Leyland Australia made 56 Force 7s but crushed most of them rather than sell them. When Ray said they had bad management, he wasn't kidding.

Bs the motor left over parts from other leyland cars. The p76 was never going to be a big seller as the production line was never going ro produce enough to make it profitable. Leyland Australia was mis managed as well. I worked next door to the leyland plant in Melbourne. Which was sold to nissan.

The worst was the Leyland P76 saloon a mixture of english, american, and Italian without a sense

@davesclassicgaragetours

Ай бұрын

It was different. New video coming soon featuring the P76

@giuliopedrali4794

Ай бұрын

@@davesclassicgaragetours Yes, fantastic this story

Beautiful car, But stuth! had to stop watching @2:16 due to camera work doing something to my eyes! Never had this happen before.

@davesclassicgaragetours

2 ай бұрын

Stick with it. Worth the pain.😉

NO v8 valiant ded 10L/100 closer to 18L!100. Lead footers would burn at LEAST 22L/100

The only true Aussie car? Australian from end to end he said. What utter nonsense! The engine is an early alloy V8 designed by GM in America for Buick cars. But they scrapped it and went with a small block cast iron V8 in the interests of reliability and durability, and sold the alloy design and tooling to Rover. The sale improved both manufacturers'' cars. The engines used in P-76's and thus the F-7 were completely made in Britain. The differential is a Rover part, also made in England. I don't know where the manual gearboxes came from - probably the same place. Leyland purchased auto boxes from Borg-Warner, and these boxes were an Amercian design. If Leyland got manual boxes from Bor-Warner, they would have to be American designed. The P-76 and F-7 was designed in Italy by Giovanni Michelotti, a design house contractor who designed cars, vans, and trucks made by a number of manufacturers. Testing and adaptation for manufacturability was done by Leyland staff in England. Of all the large cars sold in Australia contemporary to the P-76, the P76/F-7 is the least Australian in content.

@davesclassicgaragetours

2 ай бұрын

As I’ve pointed out elsewhere, I probably shouldn’t have been so quick to jump on something I read or watched a little prior to uploading and changing my previous title. However, though you are well informed on many points, I suggest you gen up yourself on the design of the cars.

@keithammleter3824

2 ай бұрын

@@davesclassicgaragetours Why? It is pretty widely known that these cars were designed by the Michelotti design house in Italy. Leyland Australia was a pretty small outfit without the engineering staff or equipment to design in-house. For that matter, they didn't have a lot of things. Crash testing was outsourced to Ford. Even Mini bodies were made for them by Chrysler. Contemporary cars from the Big Three were adaptations of American designs (e.g., Valiant was a stretched and altered Dodge Dart, with a six cyl engine a locally developed version of the US Chrysler D engine), and engineered in Australia for production using tooling and processes available in Australia, and fully tested here - all up a much higher local content than the P-76/F-7. it seems likely that you are unaware of what it takes and what sort of people are needed to introduce a new car. There are three distinct phases, each with its own specialists. First, there has to be styling and component layout. This is what design studios do and is akin to what architects do for buildings. they can set fundament engineering parameters, just as good architects can do some engineering calculations so that their design is sensible. For the P-76, this was done in Italy. After a design studio does their thing, then professional engineers need to do their calculations to ensure strength, safety, and performance specs are met. Similar to what civil engineers, hydraulic engineers and electrical engineers do for buildings. For cars there is to greater or lesser extent a third stage - design for manufacturability. Engineers expert in production methods may need to alter or add to what the design studio produced in order for it to be possible to make it on the factory equipment the company and its subcontractors own or can afford. For the P-76/F-7 engineering work was done in England.

@duster8100

2 ай бұрын

You ned to do more homework as none of you assertions are correct. The driveline was totally Borg warner the same as the Valiant. The motors were made here as well and saying anything else is how history will get distorted and mangled. I was in the industry at the time but I doubt you were.`

@keithammleter3824

2 ай бұрын

@@duster8100 That would make the transmission and diff the same as 6-cyl Falcons as well. But Borg-Warner, an American company only had production facilities here, making American designs as I previously said. If the alloy V8 was made in Australia, pray tell where? Certainly not in Leyland's facilities - they had no engine making plant. Leyland imported all its engines as complete ready-to-run from England. GMH then had the means to make engines, but not alloy engines. If Leyland wanted to buy a V8 from Ford Australia, they would have been offered a small block cast iron unit, which would have helped market success - the P-76 was a market failure in part because the sort of customer who wanted a V-8 back then wanted a bullet proof cast iron V-8. In Leyland's market research to define what a car to complete with the Big Three, they carried out a large scale survey. The survey asked respondents if they wanted an inline six or a V-8. A lot ticked V-8. So Leyland chose what was obvious to them - the alloy Buick V-8 made in England. The fools didn't think to ask if an alloy engines was acceptable. These days all engines are alloy engines - we have no choice. But in the 1970's the American-design cast iron units had proved to be more abuse tolerant and durable then the alloy engines then available.

@keithammleter3824

2 ай бұрын

@@duster8100 Let's review the facts I gave:- 1. I said the P-76/f-7 engine was the Buick designed alloy V-8 that Rover purchased the rights and tooling for. That's all true and well known. 2. I said GM scrapped the Buick alloy V8 as it wasn't reliable and durable enough. That's true. Their benchmark was the Ford small block V8. 3. I said engines for P76/F-7 were completely made in Britain. That is true. Rover purchased tooling from GM for only one engine plant - there were no other plants, anywhere. 4. I said the P-76/F-7 diff was a Rover unit. You said it was Borg-Warner. B-W's plant was making units designed for 6-cyl engines up to about 3 - 3.5 litres or mid-sized cars. They would not have been strong enough for a V-8 bored out/stroked to 4.4 litres. 5. I said the cars were designed in Italy by Giovanni Michelotti. That is correct. Incidentally, on check, I discovered that P-76/F-7 suspension components were made by Rover in England. They were the same as for the Rover SD-1. So the P-76/F-7 was even lower in Australian content than I thought. Note that Borg-Warner did not make 4-speed gearboxes in Australia until 1979, 4 years after P-76 production stopped. Manual P-76/F-7 had 4 speed boxes, so they could not be B-W units and had to be British.

Kind of looks like a cross between a Aston Martin and a Rover SD1!

@davesclassicgaragetours

2 ай бұрын

more a Renault 17 and Renault 30, if I squeeze my eyes tight

Every time I see a Force 7 they get uglier!! The P38 was bad and ugly enough. All the media hype about them,, and what came? This fugly thing. And media waffling crap about Bathurst. It was a 2bbl 4.4 engine. With tiny cylinder heads. Based on a 1960 Buick econo car engine! Ok engine for a family car, about on par with the 253 Holden. The very special heads that McCormack used on the underpowered unreliable 5000 engine were still underpar with a Holden V8. Which was reliable. Macs reasoning was the engine was far lighter making the car handle better. Which worked but viabrated the rivets out of the tub every meeting. As endurance touring car engine NEVER!

@davesclassicgaragetours

2 ай бұрын

I suppose we’ll never know.