This is genius! Before I found your video I've tried so many times to make something like this happen and ended up throwing my hand up in the air. I tried the automation route with Melodyne, etc. I've tried different DAWs thinking that might make a difference. This is the first time I've ever been able to accomplish the task. Thank you so much!

@RustyWilson1975

7 ай бұрын

I’m so glad to hear you found it useful!

Your little demo of how Melodyne can ALMOST create a good tempo map was spot on. It's even more frustrating if you try to fix the obvious flaws while still in Melodyne; I'm sure it can be done but I have yet to succeed. I have actually resorted to the same sort of thing you did, but I used a drumstick and wood block because I wasn't as clever as you with the pen-on-the-mic thing. Although Studio One does have a simple one-shot "tap tempo" function, which you demonstrated in your video with your mouse, what is really needed is a feature where the variable tempo through a whole track can be tapped in using the space bar on the keyboard.

@RustyWilson1975

5 ай бұрын

I agree. It may be possible to build a macro that creates a tempo map based on transients, but I haven't really messed around with macros. If I get some time this weekend, I may poke around to see if something like that is possible. You may be onto something with tapping a tempo map. You could use your computer keyboard as a midi input device if you don't happen to have a midi controller/keyboard, create a tempo map using that, then apply the temp map to the audio track(s). That could save a lot of time. manual tempo mapping is the most time consuming part. Thanks again for sharing your thoughts. Great idea!

This is the BEST tutorial on tempo mapping!

@RustyWilson1975

7 ай бұрын

Thanks so much!

Thank you! Very interesting technique! You made my day friend.

Rusty, this is the most impressive and useful video I've ever come across for Studio One. This worked perfectly for me with the original file - luckily it was a full band with strong drums so I had clear and substantial transients. As much as I respect the folks at Studio One (and other DAW manufacturers), their instructional videos tend to focus on very simple use cases to show how "easy" and "magic" their software is. I don't blame them at all really as they are in the business of selling products. But it is refreshing to see someone reach out with a solution to a real world problem that many users struggle with. Take care!

@RustyWilson1975

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much. I just glad you found it useful!

@andynovak9838

2 жыл бұрын

@@RustyWilson1975 I will have to say I just learning something. Not good practice to mix down your multitrack song to a WAV, pull it into a new Studio One song, apply your technique, track a software acoustic rhythm guitar, bounce it to audio, then drop it back into the original multi-track session. I must do the tempo mapping inside the original session and lay down the software acoustic rhythm there as well. The timing was off when the newly tracked acoustic was pulled in (even in the right spot). Am I right?

@RustyWilson1975

2 жыл бұрын

@@andynovak9838 it sounds like the the tempo map either may not be saved to the mix down, or that it is not being applied to acoustic guitar. First, ensure that you enable the setting to save the tempo map with the mixdown. However, I’m not sure a raw wave file is capable saving a tempo map, so working in the session is probably a better method anyway. Next, you have to ensure the tempo map from the original audio event is applied to the tempo track, so the acoustic will follow the tempo map. Alternatively, you would have to set the audio track to follow the tempo of the session. In short, both audio tracks have to be locked to either the same constant tempo or a tempo map which is applied to the whole song.

Brilliant video Rusty. Thank you so much.

Thank you. Got to try this.

You're a lifesaver, thank you very much dude, you explained it sooo well!

Only just found this. I used the Identify Beat function in Pro-Tools for years, and now there's an alternative in Studio One. Different work flow but workable. Thank you so much.

Thanks! Very useful method! 👌

@RustyWilson1975

24 күн бұрын

Thanks for the comment!

Thanks man…. Very very helpful

This is so awesome. Love it. Very clear instructions!!

@RustyWilson1975

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the feedback!

dude! i've been struggling with some jazz standard sax soli's where the recorded exemplar is all over the place. melodyne pukes on swing rhythms. THIS made it easy. THANK YOU

@RustyWilson1975

Ай бұрын

I’m so glad you found it helpful!

Great video thank you

So helpful. Thank you.

@RustyWilson1975

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the feedback!

Good idea.

Very helpful. You guys with negative feedback get your brains in gear and see the benefits.

Well done! I've used all of the other techniques you mentioned, and I found - as you did - that Melodyne doesn't produce useful results. I had not thought of creating an audio click track to use with the bend tool, but it is clearly the quick path to success. Thanks!

@RustyWilson1975

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the feedback. I’m pleased you found this helpful.

This process is the only reason I won't migrate from Cakewalk to Studio One. Tempo mapping in Cakewalk (Sonar thru Bandlab) is 4 steps 1) first trim beginning and end to adjust to just the audio you want as your master timing, and apply the trim. 2) line up the beginning of the track to a bar line.. 3) select the Audio track 4) drag and drop it on the project timeline.. wait 10-30 seconds, depending on the length of the audio.. then DONE. the Melodyne essential just takes that sequence of commands, and finds the transients, and creates a tempo map for the PROJECT.. then you can select any other audio track, and use the audio stretch function Alt-A, and tell that track "follow Project timeline" Melodyne will automatically adjust the audio to the Melodyne- produced tempo map.. I don't know why all the other DAWs don't do this. All I can ask is WHY? This sets the project tempo to the imported audio.. The process here, is to align your imported time-variant audio to conform to the Project Timeline, not the revers, (Audio track follows project tempo) not (Project Tempo follows Audio Track) .. ProTools and what you are saying Studio One both require a lot of guessing.. I haven't tried this process yet on Studio One to see if it's a hidden feature not documented. Cakewalk was the first to incorporate Melodyne Essential into it's core; First to use the ARA technology. This is why it works. So, what's the delay, PreSonus? It's and easy implementation, if you take the time to implement it.. I create projects all the time, where I have to conform to an imported time-variant audio file.. Imagine having to do this 10 times per day? I can generate 10 tempo maps in 10 projects, in less then 5 minutes ! what's the deal people?

@RustyWilson1975

2 ай бұрын

Thanks for the detailed comment. I’ll will try following your suggestions to see I can make that work in S1. Thanks again!

Hey, I'm not a troll out to condemn you for the audio quality of your upload. That said, the moment i heard the quality of the audio, i was nearly put-off. [So much bass coming from his mic...what is he thinking? This cant be the guy who finally shows me a 'fool-proof' method of tempo mapping. Certainly no, not the way he's starting out. Can't be. But hey, i know my way around my laptop enough to find the EQ within windows system. And I'm desperate enough to see what this kid has to offer. And whaddayaknow! He just might be onto something. Maybe he didn't set his mic up properly, or maybe he doesn't even know how plosive his audio is...but maybe he DOES know the answers to my particular delimma. Anyway, i appreciate your efforts. This is a method which i havent come across until now, so it's worth a try, for sure. And i thank you for taking the time to share your method. I do need to consider what another viewer (andynovak) mentioned. He went into detail about not knowing if a wav can be saved as a tempo track (or something like that). He had many things to say about yoyr process...several which went right over my head. And on that note im wondering if you read his remarks and what is your response. Ive tried everything in the S1 online manual and im at a roadblock. Btw im on S1 v6, but everything looks the same. I just dont want to give this method a whirl only to realize that other cat was onto something. I say again, i appreciate you making an effort to share your ideas. Man, if this works, im in heaven. Let the trolls play as they may. They were the kids in the playground who kicked sand in our face and looked innocent when the teacher turned around. Peace Joni

@RustyWilson1975

Жыл бұрын

Joni Thank you for the thoughtful comment. To answer one question, “yes”. I had a couple of very good back and forth exchanges with Andy regarding other options. As for the audio quality. All I can say is that I have been somewhat surprised by the reaction by some. Especially given that this is KZread, and I was not making a video about audio quality. That said, I now understand that any video I choose to release on the topic of audio production should at least have good quality audio. It honestly did not occur to me at the time to be very concerned about it. I moved into a new home 2 years ago with every intention of building a new studio, but I’ve had very little time to devote to it. I’m currently working in a bonus room above my garage, which is also the “temporary” office for my day job, and my kids’ tv/game room. It’s a fully open space with zero acoustic treatment. On top of that, all my decent studio gear was still boxed up when I made this video. I’m pretty I used a cheap Samson dynamic mic from my kids’ karaoke setup to record the audio for this video. Frankly, my younger brother, who had recently gone through a divorce, had started performing and writing songs. He was recording them on his iPhone with voice memo and sending them to me via iMessage. I thought it would be fun to clean them up, separate the audio, process them, add other instrumentation, and do some minor arranging. However, the tempos were all over the place. I tried several methods to quickly get a workable tempo map until I came up with this. Because it worked so well for me, and because I had not seen this method anywhere else, I felt it was worth sharing. Most of the feedback has been very positive, so I have no regrets. However, I will absolutely ensure better audio quality should I decide to release any future videos. Thank you so much for engaging in the discussion. This 48-year old kid can certainly appreciate helpful criticism. Thanks again and may God bless you!

Recording a human Click to the song is a cool idea. But if you have this click human Click Track you can easily make a tempo map in Melodyne of it. This should work perfect.

@cosmicray007

Жыл бұрын

If u own it . If u don’t this is a great method . Also I think this method will help to keep better timing , especially if u play live .

Rusty, I have a question. Maybe I'm missing something but is the 2nd step of creating a track by tapping the pen necessary? Would another approach be to show transients in the original musical track and adjust the grid like you did at the end?

@RustyWilson1975

2 жыл бұрын

Yes. I generally use this method when existing transients are not useable, which is often the case with an acoustic/vocal track. I use the tapping method to create better transients.

@andynovak9838

2 жыл бұрын

So if I have a bounced track that has good transients I can skip this step then. Great!

@andynovak9838

2 жыл бұрын

This is the only video I’ve found that really addresses what I’ve been trying to do. Hit and miss on bringing loops into analog recordings. I suppose integrating the tempo map in the file is the key

I like the idea of creating a tap track but what if my song is in 3/4 time?

@RustyWilson1975

Жыл бұрын

@Ronnie, Thanks for reaching out. The process is the same, but you have to set the time signature first. Click on the upper or lower number of the time signature in the Transport and select a new value from the pop-up menu. Additionally, if you are working on a song that has multiple time signatures. [Right]/[Control]-click in the Timeline ruler where you wish to insert the change and select Insert Time Signature. I hope this helps.

Instead of recording a click track… can i just render the built in click track wich will be a audio and work with that? It looks to me like the same idea.

@RustyWilson1975

Жыл бұрын

You can absolutely do that. However, the reason for manually recording a click track in this scenario is because the original recording was not recorded to a click and there is not constant tempo. If the recording already has a solid tempo, there is really no reason to create a custom click track. I only use this method to get a click track that “closely matches” the original recording. Then, I use the newly created click track to find the transients. The transients make it easier for me to align the tempo corrections, and create a manual tempo map. Then, bouncing the original track applies the tempo map. After resetting the track to Time-stretch, I can clear the tempo map and set a constant tempo, which causes the original track to be time-stretched to match, and the time-stretching is applied based on the transients created by the click track. This way, the tempo adjustments occur at the 1st downbeat of each measure. Another bounce, and a constant tempo is applied to the track. This works great for creating loops as well. You could also create transients on all downbeats, upbeats, or even skip measures to allow the tempo changes in your map to occur less often. You might even use this technique to create a tempo map to function in an artistic way to use as an effect. I hope this helps.

@ashebiara10

Жыл бұрын

@@RustyWilson1975 Thank you so much for the detailed explanation. 🙏

Cant get Show Tempo editor to show - cannot find anyone who can.

@RustyWilson1975

Жыл бұрын

The Tempo Track can be accessed by clicking the small “clock” icon just above the track list.

@RustyWilson1975

Жыл бұрын

Check out time stamp 2:42 in the video.

Certainly a viable method however if you had used the audio bend tool to refine your pen clicks to the original recorded track, you would have eliminated timing errors in your pen tapping

@RustyWilson1975

6 ай бұрын

That’s definitely worth a try. Thanks for the suggestion!

Never worked for me Rusty

@RustyWilson1975

2 жыл бұрын

Do you have a specific issue you’re trying to resolve? How can I help?

No explanation for how to "tap in a tempo" I look somewhere else for the answer

@RustyWilson1975

Жыл бұрын

It it not currently possible to “tap in a tempo” unless the tempo is consistent. In other words. This method is specifically for creating a tempo map for tracks that do not have a constant tempo.

@cedricdixon99

Жыл бұрын

By tapping on TEMPO!!!! Literally

I'd think if you were proficient at mixing and/or recording, you'd at least know how to record vocals (yours) so that they can be heard properly. Very poor sound quality on this video which makes it almost worthless for learning anything.

@RustyWilson1975

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the feedback

@RustyWilson1975

Жыл бұрын

Not that it matters, but the issue you heard only occurs during the intro because I wasn't wearing headphones. It disappears as soon as put on headphones and noticed it. For context, I used OBS to capture the video and I forgot to turn off monitoring on the input. Additionally, I was using a dynamic mic because it was handy. I had recently moved, and most of my studio gear was yet to be unpacked. I suppose I could have re-recorded the intro, but ultimately decided not to do so. I also wasn't too worried about background noises, plosives, etc. I simply wanted to get a video out in hopes that someone else would find it helpful. You know it's funny. Lots of people have great information and ideas that are truly worth sharing, and services like KZread provide a phenomenal platform for doing so. Why don't more people publish helpful content? Perhaps it's because they don't have the time or expertise to produce videos that are on par with the big studios or successful creators who employ others for this purpose. The prevailing advice for most new KZread creators is something like "Don't worry so much about production quality in the beginning, because the pursuit of perfection will prevent you from ever publishing your content." I am certain there are other limiting factors which prevent would-be creators from uploading new content, but the inability to create very high-quality videos is certainly big one. Why is that? Fear of being judged and ridiculed by internet trolls. Again, thank you for the feedback. I am humble enough to admit that I could have done more to improve the audio quality and given that this video is related to audio production, it may have been wise to do so. However, I do have to push back on some of your assertions: 1) It is impossible to judge anyone's proficiency at mixing or recording based on a KZread video that clearly has nothing to do with mixing or recording proficiency. This video is about tempo mapping, and I was frankly more interested in getting it uploaded than I was about making it sound perfect. 2) I think some of the other comments on this video may contradict your assertion that it is "almost worthless for learning anything." In conclusion, you have correctly pointed out that the audio quality of this video could be better. However, your chosen tone and approach is that of a malcontented, internet troll. Your intention was nothing more than to be mean. You offered no constructive criticism or helpful advice, and I have a hard time believing you even watched beyond the first few seconds because the audio quality is adequate for most of the video. Either way, you can be certain that your comment has made an impact. I will endeavor to improve the audio quality of future videos, or perhaps I just won't bother publishing at all... Screw that! If you don't like it, don't watch it. Nobody cares about your irrelevant opinion anyway. 😉

Obviously never recorded audio before, what an amateur. 🤨