Love the Dora

@ontheroadwithnorm2024

7 ай бұрын

I never knew how truly special this plane is until I made this movie and did the research. Love the Dora.

@FiveCentsPlease

7 ай бұрын

@@ontheroadwithnorm2024 I'm hoping we're still around to see one fly eventually. There's a couple of Flugwerk replicas with Allison V12s and one of those looked almost ready. Of the Dora projects out there, no rebuild is close to flying at this time. There is a Jumo V12 that is almost ready for a Flugwerk, but I would say still years away. The Dora is as equally rare as the Stuka and complex, especially at the business end with the Jumo.

I built and flew a 1/4 scale model of this aircraft. It flew like an arrow.

Doug Champin's wife had connections to the German aerospace industry and he had the Fw-190D-13 shipped there for the first restoration in the 1970s. Prof. Kurt Tank was still alive and back in Germany and Tank himself was there to assist with the first restoration. However, there were a few imperfections and missing items. In 2007 Champlin had the plane restored again to sell, "make it right" was his instructions. Missing items were located, new electrics and fuel systems were made and the plane was painted according to newly discovered photos of the same aircraft just after surrender. The correct paddle-blade propeller is still missing. It had wider-chord blades. Champlin was restoring it again for flight, although I think it would need a bit more work to be certified for flight. Paul Allen's museum has never run the engine. Gosshawk wanted to run it again after the new restoration, but there was no time before it needed to be on the truck to Allen's museum. There are two or three Fw-190D-9 projects but nothing that is close to flying yet. Regarding the Me-262, Allen was restoring it to fly as an original Me-262. The project was paused after his death and just after the initial taxi and brake checks were performed. More work will be needed for the Me-262 to fly.

@smartiepancake

9 ай бұрын

The D11/D13 is so typical of the Germans - they looked at the D9, with its ugly machine gun housing, and just had to fix it - for aesthetic reasons, even though the war was lost.

@FiveCentsPlease

9 ай бұрын

@@smartiepancake The D-14 and D-15, along with the Ta-152C had the potential to be very formidable if they had been completed for service. Very few D-14/D-15 made it to service. There is photo evidence of one maybe.

@ontheroadwithnorm2024

9 ай бұрын

Can I buy you lunch?

The FW-190D was a high altitude interceptor. Many German pilots were very reluctant in giving up their BF-109s, for the FW-190s.

That Japanese Oscar is an incredibly rare aircraft as well

@ontheroadwithnorm2024

6 ай бұрын

Made in the USA! Data plate restoration.

On my bucket list. The FW190 and variants along with the Thunderbolt are my two favorite WW2 fighters. I was fortunate enough to acquire some original material from Focke-Wulf from WW2 which I provide to Jerry Crandall for use on one of his books.

@ontheroadwithnorm2024

8 ай бұрын

That's very interesting, is there anything the viewers would like to see that you could share with me? Apparently I have to go back to Seattle and remake this movie because I destroy the German language with my attempts of annunciation. I've learned so much more about this airplane that I could make a much better informative video of this significant replica artifact and practice pronouncing some German. I even screw up STOOOOKA!

The rear of the fuselage was extended to compensate for the CG. With the installation of the inline V12 the CG moved forward.

There is a FW-190 D at the Air Force museum at Dayton Ohio

@FiveCentsPlease

7 ай бұрын

+@leeroyperterson5788 It is on loan to the USAF Museum from the Smithsonian. It is Fw-190-D9 Wk.Nr. 601088 Stab.IV./JG3 that was surrendered at RAF Flensberg on VE Day. It was on one of four Dora aircraft that were shipped to the US for testing. Two survive today. (Not including the Ta-152.)

Great Vid, thanks from Oz

@ontheroadwithnorm2024

6 ай бұрын

Thank-you very much for the comment. It helps my channel.

Nice vid, I knew about the existance of this particular D-13 for many, many, MANY years, I've seen pics of itmbefore, stemming from - meh, I guess then 1970ies or maybe 1980ies. Anyways - in your vid, there's a text on the screen explaining that 3 out of 5 survived the war - were the other 2 also D-13s, or were they D-9s?

@ontheroadwithnorm2024

3 ай бұрын

Great question but sorry I don't know. I hope to see this airplane again later this year

Wrong Hangar 13 close to Penemunde has a D model too close to the end of it's restoration, D9 i think...this one is in Jagdgeschwader 26 home defence colours,

@ontheroadwithnorm2024

2 ай бұрын

So now there will be two? Good news

@FiveCentsPlease

2 ай бұрын

@@ontheroadwithnorm2024 MeierMotors in Germany has just started working on a Dora. Looking at all of the Fw-190D wrecks and projects, it is possible that it may be the Flugwerk Fw-190D replica from the Military Aviation Museum in Virgina getting new work. (It has never flown and has a questionable Allison setup.) Also the owner of the museum is having a Jumo 213 built. airfighters.com/photo_9999_157035.jpg Or it could also be Eric's project from Belgium since he passed away in 2022. kzread.info/dash/bejne/faaTmsWmgc-didY.html

Wondering if "FiveCentsPlease" knows if this is one of the 21 airplanes built at Flug Werks? If so is any of it original? And did they contract out the sheet metal work to Romania? Is there a book of what happened at Flug Werks 2000-2012? Did Gosshawk buy the jigs and tooling in 2012? Are you out there FiveCentsPlease?

@FiveCentsPlease

28 күн бұрын

+@ontheroadwithnorm2024 I'm out there, but going through some sh*t. What are we talking about here, the D-13? It's original, Werk. No. 836017. Regarding the Flugwerks, the German company contracted with Aerostar in Romania to do the construction of their kits because they still had the aviation knowledge for WW2 construction. (A few quality-control issues aside.) When Flugwerk closed, Gosshawk bought them out with the jigs and inventory. Gosshawk services the Flugwerk Fw-190s now but they are NOT the only shop that can build a Fw-190. (The ORIGINAL and flyable Fw-190 at Flying Heritage was built by an expert team in the UK, who also started on the Me-262 after that.) There are a few lists of the Flugwerk serial numbers and where they are. Slightly less than half are actually flying and some are just static museum exhibits.

@ontheroadwithnorm2024

28 күн бұрын

When you say the D-13 is original, do you mean the skins are original too? It looks too new and perfect.

@FiveCentsPlease

28 күн бұрын

@@ontheroadwithnorm2024 Good question and I would say mostly. It was photographed in the late 1960s in an empty lot outside of Atlanta and was mostly intact. (Keeping in mind that the AAF had accidently switched wings with the Dora at the USAF Museum, and this was corrected later.) Sometime while in Atlanta, a crazy drunk took an axe to the plane and chopped off the supercharger scoop and did a bit more damage. Bit and pieces went missing, like the original prop. It was photographed in California with new owners in the early 1970s, and it was standing on its gear. This was the owner that stripped the plane to bare metal to apply zinc chromate paint but this also erased all original markings. The next owner was Doug Champlin who shipped it to Germany where friend Art Williams worked to restore it with help from Prof. Kurt Tank who was still alive. There are photos of the plane from this time in several books. So this D-13 was not a smashed wreck but remained a mostly intact airframe, making it a very rare example that should not be flown. It looks "new and perfect" because owner Doug Champlin was selling his collection and shipped the D-13 to Gosshawk to do over again and "make it right." At the time, the rumor was also to make it airworthy for the sale, but I don't know if that actually happened. New fuel tanks and electrics were made for it, so I think Champlin was serious. Paul Allen bought it while it was still being restored and there was a bit of a rush to finish it and truck it to Seattle.

So will they ever fly this? Is it flyable? Is it rare? I am surprised you didn't mention that in the video. 😆

@ontheroadwithnorm2024

6 ай бұрын

Yes it can fly. It was rebuilt to much better than new. However the owner passed in 2019 and all flying activities were frozen. The estate sold the museum in 2022 and the new owned has not issued a statement of his intentions. Most people think the collection is heading to Arkansa in the next few years. This building is full of priceless WW2 aircraft. Some have had what is called a data plate rebuild or reconstruction restoration. This is where you make entirely new pieces of the entire airplane. Built without wartime conditions, no time constraints, better tools, and better labour. The result is stunning. They have a brand new Stuka. kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZKiB0MazXdPcY7A.html

@FiveCentsPlease

6 ай бұрын

@@ontheroadwithnorm2024 I do not think the D-13 is actually flyable without additional work. Doug Champlin had it restored again in Arizona but I don't think the engine was given the required tear-down and rigorous inspection and testing to be flight certified. It is an enormously expensive process to inspect, repair, test and calibrate all of the components on the engine. The engine shop in California is building another Jumo 213 for another client and they have been working on it for years, and are still waiting on parts and the new prop and hub before it can properly tested.

@ontheroadwithnorm2024

6 ай бұрын

Mr 5 Cents always gives the best information on my vids. Thanks.

It's pronounced yunker.The J in German is pronounced as a y.

@MeBallerman

3 ай бұрын

No, not Yunker - Junkers. In English it's pronounced "Djunkers" But yeah, I guess the English speaking would hear the German "Junkers" as "Yunkers" - but thjey can't pronounce it correctly. Anyway, forget me, I'm unimportant.

Only one of the countries that won the war against Germany NOT THE COUNTRY the British and the commonwealth plus USSR BEAT THEN TOO! and you were not the only ones to fight the Japanese

Mispronouncing German words, especially aircraft and engine manufacturer names hurts your credibility. It just isn't that difficult to stop for a few minutes to learn these things.

If companies build the A model, why not the D?

@ontheroadwithnorm2024

Ай бұрын

Probably because they are building on an original data plate. Unlike the 5 me262's built in texas that were completely new.

@FiveCentsPlease

28 күн бұрын

+@georglimiux677 Three of the Flugwerk kits are in Dora configuration but nothing flying yet. Actually there was another conversion that was close with an Allison V12 but I've heard nothing so maybe they have problems. Some Dora projects are out there but it will be a few more years, while some projects aren't moving at all. A very good shop in Germany is presently working on a Dora and they do good work but it's seems to be something they are working on in private.