Hi, it seems that this video suddenly gain some (little, haha) attention seeing the comments are suddenly increasing. Please note that EVERY feedback is appreciated. But name-calling, misleading information, and degrading comments are not. Here is some of the explanation to clear things up: 1) I used layman terms so people with no gymnastics background can understand. 2) I calculate all deductions REAL SPEED (I only watched once during the livestream, and the next time I watched I take notes of the deduction). Slow motions are to give better understanding for viewers. 3) "Body alignment" means that her shape was not maintained throughout. The exact words may not be present in the COP but the deduction does exist. If you starts off in layout position (easier twisting) and ended up in tucked position (easier landing), it's going to be deducted. Shape HAS to be maintained throughout a skill. 4) Controlled lunges are permitted during leaps, but hers ARE NOT controlled. The step after gogean is to mask lack of rotation, meanwhile on the switch full is to mask lack of balance. If you want to see controlled one, watch Mustafina's switch half during 2012 Olympics.

@mattj5391

Жыл бұрын

Your point 3 is wrong. Please look at the Code. It's only a deduction for a double salto WITHOUT twist. Your point 4 is a matter of opinion. Many judges considered these landings controlled lunges and not deductible.

@6ghbybuhjbj

Жыл бұрын

I do gymnastics 5 days a week

@ilaria.acquaroli

Жыл бұрын

@@mattj5391 this is only for not enough piked or tucked, is a different deduction

As much as I love the British gymnasts, they were overscorred at this meet.

they should reintroduce the not enough tucked position on the acro with twists.

0.3 for chest low on Silvias. It was so low 😭😭

Very cool video. I agree with the breakdown here. I feel this routine should have definitely been closer to a 13.8 or 13.9. To me though, it’s not that she was so egregiously scored, it’s that the scoring was not consistent. No one’s going to tell me Jordan received artistry deductions.

@mattj5391

Жыл бұрын

Jordan absolutely received artistry deductions for poor footwork. Potentially also poor corner choreography. This youtube video makes a lot of errors - there is no such thing as a “body alignment” deduction for a Silivas. Please read the Code and the Helpdesk. 0.7 on her Silivas is ludicrous and shows a complete disregard and lack of knowledge of the Code.

@mattj5391

Жыл бұрын

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@jorgebonilla2234

Жыл бұрын

I agree that Jordan could receive artistry deductions. Some of her corner choreo is deficient and her choreo is very start stop and pose-y, it’s not sustained throughout. I doubt it’s more then .1. I do think however, the first pass of Gadirova has .700+ in deductions. .3 alone for the shape and .3 for the bounce. You can get more for flexed feet, unprepared for landing, slight leg separation. I wouldn’t take all three though. She kind of benefits from the Aly raisman effect - there’s only so much the judges can take for one element

@gym_analysis

Жыл бұрын

​@@mattj5391 When you are unable to maintain a position it is certainly a deduction. Body alignment might not be what is written in the COP but I used layman terms so non-gymfan can also understand. Also 0.7 on a skill is very normal when you have bad form (0.3 deduction) AND bad landing (0.4 deduction). They come from two separate phase of the skill.

@jorgebonilla2234

Жыл бұрын

It’s not about the genre (for example, Rebecca does a similar approach but it’s more effective and continuous and likely doesn’t get deducted), it’s the fact that she starts and stops the performance, interrupts the choreo with clear pauses to prep for elements, which take you out of the performance. Again, it’s a small nit but it’s possible for her to lose .1 in artistry.

Essa medalha foi um absurdo e ofende todos os fãs de ginástica artística

Dear lord that Silivias 🙆🏻‍♂️🤭

Her floor routine was overscored at the European Championships too.

The deductions for small shape error and precision are a little too much. I personally think it should only be a 0.05 deduction. Also, a judge is also not likely gonna to spot those unless watched in slow motion during a review/appeal. With the current COP, it makes difficult skills not worth doing when one loses between 0.4 to 0.7 (or more) in deductions. To me, there’s something kinda annoying when a Silivas effectively becomes almost the equivalent of a mediocre double back (point-wise). I’d hate to see artistic gymnastics revert back to the level like those of compulsory routines from 1996 and prior.

I love this stuff. Great video! Jessica didn't look all that piked down in her Tuzhikova, but it's probably the angle making it unclear to me.

Agree with the given analysis, her score was too high. Still a great floor routine though!

It sounds like you tried to be objective and the zealous fans (many of whom are UK jingoists) were not having it 😭! I salute you and respect being true to the fairness and principles this sport is supposed to represent 😍🙏

I think you most likely deducted stuff that the judges could not see because they could not see it in slow motion.... So her score is overscored by 0,2 points but not 0,4..... But to know whether this was overscored or not I need a breakdown of the E- scores of Carry and Jones...

@IO-pi9xz

Жыл бұрын

difference with jade is that here D score is much higher and let’s face it, it does make a difference (normally), but this judging was biased

@sollte1239

Жыл бұрын

@@IO-pi9xz No, after Jades inquiry, where judges can see the elements in slow motion, Jades D Score was lower than Jessicas....

@IO-pi9xz

Жыл бұрын

@@sollte1239 you compare all and EVERY latest floor routines performed by jade, and tell me where do you see any differences in her execution. the US are known for their consistency, and jade IS consistency all to herself, mostly when it comes to floor… her routine is not any different than the ones she delivered in qual, and TF

Minus another .2 at least for lack of extension on two leaps/jumps where the splits are not 180 degrees....

@mattj5391

Жыл бұрын

Look at Chiles' leaps then come back here.

@kevinjewell233

Жыл бұрын

@@mattj5391 I have, I have been in the sport over 50 years.

@mattj5391

Жыл бұрын

@@kevinjewell233 Great. So you'll know that Chiles' had worse extension on her leaps than Gadirova.

Still puzzled.. Not even a medal worthy performance.. She got scored 14.2 for this vs Jordan 13.8 and Jade/Rebecca 13.7.. Like WTF are we doing? No fault to Jess, she did her job but the judges didn't

@tiabaker771

Жыл бұрын

That’s because everyone else had big artistry deductions - Jess has none. The new CoP is clear about the importance of artistry and other countries haven’t caught up yet.

@wjunior0895

Жыл бұрын

@@tiabaker771 Rebeca big artistry deduction??

@tiabaker771

Жыл бұрын

@@wjunior0895 yep, her current routine just doesn’t suit the new CoP

@challisvicary6208

Жыл бұрын

I think more of a code problem, rewarding artistry more than actual tumbling execution, and tumbling form all being deducted around the same with little differentiation

@challisvicary6208

Жыл бұрын

Also seemed to be a lot of home crowd advantage… the 4 tenth difference shown in this video is just unacceptable for a world championships…too much like a home Florida meet

Will need to do all routines E scores.

my guess is that they didn't deduct as much from the leaps

I think 1.8-2 point is deductions is what I got. The first pass is where there’s almost a point in errors. I don’t see any leg cross but that imprecise shape is at least .3. I disagree with you deducting for steps on dance elements. I think that’s what the precision deduction is for (at least when the step lacks control; I wouldn’t take it here). Having scored this myself, I guess I’m fine with the result, but it should have been closer.

@mattj5391

Жыл бұрын

There is no deduction for "imprecise shape" in a double salto with twist. Please consult the Code.

@jorgebonilla2234

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the comment.. I’ve checked and you’re right; the code strangely only allows that deduction for elements without a twist. But there’s no earthly way the judges aren’t taking some sort of .3 form deduction on that opening pass. It would beggar belief if it was only a .1, especially giving how micromanagey this code is.

@mattj5391

Жыл бұрын

@@jorgebonilla2234 Well she got an 8.2 E Score. Which, given the other deductions in her routine, would make it difficult to take 0.3 for legs/shape on the SIlivas and still fit in all the other clear deductions. They took a tenth. And rightly so.

I agree.

The steps on landing of leaps are not a thing are they?

@gym_analysis

Жыл бұрын

It actually is. Landing faults (Section 8.3) includes ALL elements not just acrobatic ones.

@ieuanwainwright98

Жыл бұрын

@@gym_analysis yes but she has always done this out of her 1 1/2 there’s no way it’s a deduction

@mattj5391

Жыл бұрын

@@gym_analysis There is no such thing as a “body alignment” deduction for a Silivas. Also, the deductions for “steps” on her gogean and switch full are not correct. A controlled lunge is permitted. See the Help Desk.

Daca fiecare mișcare a gimnastelor poate fi cuantificată, cel mai bine este ca arbitrele sa fie înlocuite cu un computer care sa evalueze și să noteze exercițiile gimnastelor. Așa nu vor mai fi aceste discuții despre cat a meritat sau nu o gimnastă sa câștige o medalie.

Yes, THIS is what the score always seemed like it should be! Thank you!

I noticed you took a deduction for her landing with feet not together on the switch 1/1. However, I thought Jordan had an even bigger example of that on her Gogean, but i didn't see it taken. I freely admit to being much better with the WDP code for USAG than I am with the elite codes so I'm sure I am missing something.

can u analysts the other in the podium

@gym_analysis

Жыл бұрын

Yes, I will try doing that 😁 Thank you for watching

Switch full was not parallel or 180.

Same over scoring happening at the 2023 worlds!! 😤😤😤😤

Great Britain was overscored across the board not just Jessica and it was painfully obvious! Even if they are basing her scores off of artistry compared to other gymnast that 14.4 in the AA was ridiculous as well. It looked like she was even surprised by the score. Her Teammate definitely should have won the AA bronze but it is what it is.

There is no such thing as a “body alignment” deduction for a Silivas. Also, the deductions for “steps” on her gogean and switch full are not correct. A controlled lunge is permitted. See the Help Desk.

@aaronsandman749

Жыл бұрын

There is a hip angle deduction which is synonymous with body alignment.

@tambam6744

Жыл бұрын

And extra steps on the landings of dance elements that show a lack of control ARE deductible. Jessinflation’s landing on her dance elements are FAR from controlled.

@TheMajesticice01

Жыл бұрын

That MoorSilivas is atrocious

@mattj5391

Жыл бұрын

@@aaronsandman749 No there isn't. Show me where in the Code there is a "hip angle deduction" for a Tucked Double Double? The Help Desk specifically says there is no deduction for double saltos WITH twist.

@mattj5391

Жыл бұрын

@@tambam6744 Landing deductions WERE taken. Just like they were taken for Chiles and Jade, too.

Gymnasts like everyone make mistakes. They are human not robots so really is it worth bothering about things like a slightly bent knee etc. Its what is seen at the time of competing that counts. I didnt like Chile's or Gadirovas floor routine much. They both seemed to manic

Jordan chiles 🥇

@ieuanwainwright98

Жыл бұрын

No

@ieuanwainwright98

Жыл бұрын

@@marissaurias5116 yes but some of these deductions are just not proper tbh

@benbailey159bb

Жыл бұрын

​@@marissaurias5116 There's a massive difference between things visible in slowmo video replay and in real time - which easily accounts for the 0.4 difference.

@mattj5391

Жыл бұрын

@@marissaurias5116 Sure, if the deductions taken in this video were correct. But they’re not. The Silivas would not get a “body alignment” deduction. And the “steps” out of the gogean and switch full are not deductions. Controlled lunges/dance out of leaps are permitted without deduction if they show control and no lack of balance. The person creating this video needs to review the Help Desk supplement to the Code. Their score should be 8.1E and not 7.8E. An 8.1 is completely in line with the FIG panel (average 8.200). A 7.8 is not; and would likely be subject to post-meet review and sanctions.

@gym_analysis

Жыл бұрын

@@mattj5391 I have replied your other comment addressing body alignment deduction. Steps out of leaps are not deducted ONLY if they are CONTROLLED (watch Aliya Mustafina's 2012 Olympics floor routine during her switch split half. She took steps right after landing in perfect position). Gadirova's were done to mask lack of rotation (gogean) and lack of balance (switch full). And by the way having margins is VERY COMMON in gymnastics judging. On 2016 Olympics, 2 execution judges gave a routine 7.4 and 8.1 for THE SAME ROUTINE (Emma Larson of SWE during 2016 Olympics floor qualification) which does not matter as they throw away lowest and highest value out of 5 judges, leaving 3 scores to be averaged. I appreciate every opinion on my videos, but your lack of knowledge should not be imposed on others as you are misleading people.

Jessinflation Gadiroverscored

Great video , but in this case ... The judges decided 🏅. Similar Situation with the US team in 2003 , Atlanta , Goodwillgames 1998 etc.

i think she is a talented gymnast. but fair is fair and I don't think on that day she was the best gymnast, her scores were inflated. her errors in her routine were so obvious and so many aswell. it wasn't right for her to get the gold if she wasn't the best. but it cant be changed now. i too if I was in her place knowing I was overscored would feel bad.

@mattj5391

Жыл бұрын

She was the best on the day. Chiles had SEVERAL large 0.3 errors.

This title is so rigged it makes me mad

This deduction flex feet during a double double kill me. Sorry but how can you think to point your feet during a dangerous acro, Stupid FIG. For the leaps , I’m agree.

@Kevin-rw7kk

Жыл бұрын

Girl what? Pointed feet is a pretty universal technique consideration. That’s why the people doing dangerous acro are professionals

@bagelized

Жыл бұрын

if you considered danger then gymnastics as a sport wouldn't exist lol

You've deducted for things that don't exist in the CoP, made some overly-harsh deductions and some deductions that would be difficult to see without the benefit of slo-mo replay. On that basis, I'm going to continue to agree with the collective opinion of the 6 international FIG-qualified E panel judges who were actually judging floor at the competition :)

I've noticed that certain gymnasts have really aggressive fans who insist on the gymnasts superiority, despite what a panel of expert, mostly Ex gymnast judges think. Makayla Skinner and Jordan Chiles fans are among the worst and try using bully tactics to get their point across. The right person won. Move on.

Very messy gymnast

The head foot thing on leap isn’t one either

@gym_analysis

Жыл бұрын

It also is. "Rear foot at head height" on split ring (and its variations) is considered a "small fault" which is 0.1 deduction. I suggest you take a look at the Code of Points and search for Anna Pavlova or Flavia Saraiva (among many other gymnasts) as reference for error-free split ring leap form 😊

I wish people would do this instead of shouting "overscored" and harassing the gymnasts and the judges. In no way would anyone be able to get all these deductions in real time

@aaronsandman749

Жыл бұрын

It's actually pretty easy if you have watched or been in gymnastics your whole life.

@gymns411

Жыл бұрын

Yes they could..... An untrained eye couldn't but that is a brevet judge's job.

@hazelnutspred3348

Жыл бұрын

@@gymns411 if that's true then there shouldnt be any more than single tenths in a score

@hazelnutspred3348

Жыл бұрын

@@aaronsandman749 there's a huge difference between watching it and judging it real time from the same distance the judges are

@aaronsandman749

Жыл бұрын

@@hazelnutspred3348 You are right. It is much easier up close to see built in deductions, but also because the judges are at specific angles it is hard to see specific deductions. Seriously thought it isn't that hard and this is why there is always more than a single judge. I can look at a double double and see 2 tenths to 6 tenths immediately as they land. Perks of being in gymnastics and tricking and seeing gymnastics all around me my whole childhood.

I'd just wait for the real Brevet judge's breakdown. Clearly the tumbling deductions in reality aren't heavily applied as suggested in this video. There are WAG webinar judging (official) examples to illustrate that. The first tumbling is a 0.5-0.6 deduction at max. This is nowhere a 0.7 deduction when the maximum deduction for each tumbling is 0.8.

@bgreen5234

Жыл бұрын

Yet here u are, once again, defending the score lol

@legolass163

Жыл бұрын

You asked for a breakdown score, here it is and you're still complaining🙄

@cocoroni1031

Жыл бұрын

@@legolass163 Did I ask for a breakdown score on FLOOR besides the brevet judge? When and where?

@cocoroni1031

Жыл бұрын

@@legolass163 Besides, I can make my own breakdown, and it matches the scores for podium winners in floor final. But the most relevant explanation comes from a REAL judge with a license.

@riquebusta8652

Жыл бұрын

You do realize that landing is deducted apart from the execution of the skill right? She got .3 in deductions from her poor execution on her silivas plus the step and low chest position, that’s why it’s separated in the video.

I love hilarious BS like this. You have two videos and they are both to tear apart Jessica Gadirova's floor exercise. Of course, if you judge one exercise this way, you have to judge everyone's this way, so let's see your breakdown of Jordan's routine. I am sure it will be very generous. For example, you will ignore all the times she lands with her legs apart.

@bagelized

Жыл бұрын

this person owes you nothing lmfao. they are not obligated to make 500 videos to please you. obviously they noted that jessica's score was (rightfully) controversial, so decided to do a breakdown about it.

@markcouture4726

Жыл бұрын

@@bagelized You totally miss the point. My guess is that logic is not your forte.

@bagelized

Жыл бұрын

@@markcouture4726 Someone has a different opinion than you = “logic is not your forte” 😂

@markcouture4726

Жыл бұрын

@@bagelized No, no. That's a lazy cop-out. If one wants to claim that Gymnast A should have won and Gymnast B should not have, then one needs to score BOTH gymnasts. It doesn't require 500 videos. In fact, one video can do it. The point is that this video is an incomplete argument - and because of that, it comes off as bashing. And poor bashing at that.

@bagelized

Жыл бұрын

@@markcouture4726 They already made a video on Jordan as you were angrily typing your essay to me lmao. Calm down.

Funny how all over-scoring discussions throughout this year’s worlds are centered around one athlete only…And people are still defending the judging saying that it was fair lol.

@bgreen5234

Жыл бұрын

Huh? Scores are always debated every year, this is nothing new.

@taylorburtis

Жыл бұрын

@@bgreen5234 They are talking about the fact that it has been the same gymnast being overscored at every single meet, the judging will never be justified.