FYI the “Mac” in “Fleetwood Mac” was named for John McVie. John didn’t want to join the band when Mick and Peter first asked him because he wanted to stay in the already successful band he was in, John Mayall’s Bluesbreakers. Peter Green figured that if part of John’s name was in this new band’s name, he’d have to join eventually, and look what happened!

@diggingthegreats

Жыл бұрын

Pinning this correction 👍

@danielolson5378

Жыл бұрын

Band leaders have done that before promising something little extra for a certain guy to join. John Mayall wanted Eric Clapton to join his band the Blues Breakers but Clapton wasn't sure wether to join or not. John Mayall "convinced" him to join by saying "you can have your name on the cover!" The first album was called "John Mayall's Bluesbreakers with Eric Clapton". And as we all know the bass player in the early days of Bluesbreakers was John McVie and Peter Green replaced Clapton.

@BrentAlanBeck

Жыл бұрын

Perfect!

@EngineTuning

Жыл бұрын

@@diggingthegreats Further clarification of the ship question... This has been settled in law. I don't have the case details, but it concerned the sale of a famous vintage racing car. Over it's 'life' span, the car had been in crashes, and had received modifications. Upon seeing the replacement parts, the new owner questioned the car's authenticity. This question was quickly recognised as being fundamental to the global resale sector, therefore the legal system took this case extremely serious. A legal precedent had to be set, for the sale of old things. The Judges ruled that the car possessed an essence that existed throughout it's life. Minor modifications, and replacement parts was normal to the life of the car. Therefore the car was correctly described. Clearly, this was the only sensible outcome, as any other would have created chaos in the business of selling old stuff :D

@Heartwing37

Жыл бұрын

This is truth!!!

The fact that you don’t know that Mac is John McVie’s nickname makes me think we’re living in a simulation.

@Pencilman246

Жыл бұрын

The whole video comes across as “I half read the Wikipedia page and thought of some jokes.”

@WrongThink_

Жыл бұрын

@@Pencilman246 They weren't even funny jokes.

@janetduncan87

Жыл бұрын

I didn't know that either, since MC could be Mac.

@gmize78

Жыл бұрын

Right! I don't think he's a die hard Fleetwood Mac fan. .betcha he doesn't know about the Buckingham Nicks album they released as a duo (featuring the underrated Long Distance Winner).🏃🎼🏆

@snufbeats

Жыл бұрын

Thats the nickname for alot of people with that prefix... like in Always sunny... Mac's characters last name is McDonald... and in real life is McElhenney... but either way his nickname is Mac lol

Careful bro, there are still a lot of us out here who lived those times and followed those events in real time. John McVie was the Mac in Fleetwood Mac. You should have spent more time on what was going on with the band when Rumors was recorded.

I read Mick Fleetwoods autobiography, he wrote that neither he or John were in the original band. Peter Green wanted them to join his band, so he put fleetwoodmac in the name to get them to join him.

"How are we the only life we see, while the rest of the universe is basically empty?" Said a civilization that only explored like 1% of their own star system

@quentinkaasa47

Жыл бұрын

We know more about outer space than we do our own planets oceans.

@sanny8716

Жыл бұрын

@@quentinkaasa47 I've heard this quote many times, but have you actually tried thinking about it for more than a second?

@quentinkaasa47

Жыл бұрын

@@sanny8716 But it's kinda the truth.

@sanny8716

Жыл бұрын

@@quentinkaasa47 Okay, now try thinking for more than 2 seconds. We don't even know what the surface of Jupiter is (or if it has one). Same for Saturn, and all the planet farther than Mars. We at least can make a fairly accurate map of the seafloor. And that's just Solar System. Milky Way has billions of stars whith hundreds billions of planets around them. We actually know species that live in the very depths of the ocean. Not all of them, but we do know some. We know practically nothing about outer space.

@PurelyPog

Жыл бұрын

@@sanny8716 agreed

The branding problem with Fleetwood Mac is that its core members were the rhythm section, so the personality of the band shifted radically as that rhythm section supported different groups of front musicians. That's why their situation seems weird, when similarly fluid bands don't. And BTW, regarding the "fake" Fleetwood Mac, a somewhat similar thing happened with the Yardbirds, who broke up while still having touring commitments. Their management, who were on the hook financially for those commitments, put together a "fake" version of the band to play those dates, claiming that they owned the name. There was only a single member of this group who had ever played with the real Yardbirds, and he had only come on board the year before to play bass. But they turned out to actually be pretty good. After their little gig pretending to be the Yardbirds was up, they changed their name to Led Zeppelin, and made a name for themselves in their own right.

@bassplayer10

Жыл бұрын

“Led” who?

@bigol9223

Жыл бұрын

@@bassplayer10 he said Led Zeppelin

@farrellmcnulty909

Жыл бұрын

@@bassplayer10 PENCIL

@LastBastian

Жыл бұрын

@@bigol9223 Never heard of them. ...are they the guys who tried to sound like Greta Van Fleet?

@rodrigoodonsalcedocisneros9266

Жыл бұрын

Page entered as a bassist but temporarily, since he was already a well-known guitarist. Eventually he took the guitar, Beck left and he took over the band.

I think a similar story happened with Queensryche in 2013. If I recall correctly, the band split up, two guys wanted to keep the name, both ended up maintaining the name legally, thus releasing two albums in the same year, which are both Queensryche but with completely different lineups.

I'd like my ten minutes back. None of this eludes to whether or not we're living in a simulation...like, none at all. Distilled down, it's just various points in time when different people contested for 'ownership' of the band and its name, and various members coming and going. The best explanation to all this is your analogy of sports teams - players come and go, but it's still "the sportsball team". There's no proof here of living in a simulation, just click bait. Move along.

@DefenestrateYourself

3 ай бұрын

Bless your little heart. We’ll pray for you ❤

This guy represents a prime example of what happens when someone simply has too much time on their hands.

@earlgrey691

Жыл бұрын

Bit of a classic Libtard-Cultural/Marxist revisionism going on here.They fing genius too threatening to the hive mind they depend on,but all too happy to capitalize on it.

@zwickd13

Жыл бұрын

and never seen the matrix

@emilymarek4714

Жыл бұрын

Oh my God!! Yes!! 🤣🤣🤣 Because ‘living in a simulation’ makes MUCH more sense than science, evolution, and nature. 🤣🤣🤣 But if you think about it, maybe we DO live in a simulation, and his creator forgot to adjust his intelligence level. Because HIS reason for why we live in a simulation… is the ‘questionable’ reason why people named their bands. 🤣🤣🤣 Stephen Hawking should rest easily, knowing that people like THIS are alive to explain ‘The Theory of Everything’. 🤣🤣🤣

@tincupnickleboythe1st700

Жыл бұрын

I agree, and hes young enough that he clearly doesnt know shit about money, or that SHOW must go on !!!

@stevenjohnson243

Жыл бұрын

and is dumb

So the story I read in a Peter Green biography is that John Mayall bought Peter Green a couple of days studio time for his birthday whilst The Bluesbreakers we're recording 'A Hard Road'. He also 'lent' him his rhythm section, which at the time was John (Mac) McVie and Mick Fleetwood. They had to put a 'band name' down for the session and as a bit of a joke because he was uncomfortable as a 'frontman' before he even started, Green decided to name the session after the rhythm section: Fleetwood Mac. So although McVie didn't officially join the band until a few months later, you could argue he was there from the very start, which is why his name is there.

@genewickersham4593

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for getting it right mate.

@greg7129

Жыл бұрын

Correct !...or should I say that is the tale I have always heard. I really believe Green was uncomfortable being in the limelight. All in all it is a very interesting start for a very interesting band. Thanks for telling the story

@TheWolfsnack

Жыл бұрын

...besides...it sounded better than Fleetwood Mick?

@realfingertrouble

Жыл бұрын

Yes this - the Mac was hopeful naming since McVie wasn't convinced, so nominative determinism they named it Fleetwood Mac to try and convince him to join...it eventually worked. So it was always the plan to have John McVie in the band.

I believe there was a science fiction story about a guy who kept extending his life by having body parts replaced with cybernetic body parts. Eventually, he had financial problems and couldn't pay the makers of the parts, so they repossessed him.

@vinceinhouston4338

Жыл бұрын

Seems that I may have read the same book years ago. I wish I could remeber what it was. I know I read a bunch of Issac Asimov around then, but I'm not sure it was him. Damn this Sometimers! (Kinda like Alzheimer's, but completely different)

@storyinternships9636

Жыл бұрын

This reminds me of that old Astroboy episode with the 'Ship of Theseus' theme.. that detective who ended up with all his human parts replaced with robotic parts. His brain was the last to go. Astroboy asks him whether he's still the same man.

@ignoblesavage5559

Жыл бұрын

sounds like a setup for a philip k. dick story.

@storyinternships9636

Жыл бұрын

@@ooneybird27 Now i want to read it, hope u find the title... I had the same experience trying to recall certain short stories titles and usually people in Stack Exchange can identify it.

@ignoblesavage5559

Жыл бұрын

can't have that liver going into foreclosure...

I saw Fleetwood Mac in 1967. Before Danny Kirwan joined. It's a shame what happened, but it's amazing how they've kept going. Not a blues band anymore, but so what? And Mick and John are one of the best rhythm sections around.

@davidevans3227

Жыл бұрын

a proper Fleetwood Mac fan 🙂 x i'm too young but it's wicked to come across those who did see them in their prime..

@HighSpeedNoDrag

Жыл бұрын

I saw Stevie Nicks with Joe Walsh on the forefront, circa 1983. The "Stand Back" Tour was said to have created some major league Animosity amongst the former band members.

@gforce4063

Жыл бұрын

So what

@riassslave558

Жыл бұрын

agreed !!although Pete Green is their Sid Barrett wouldn't you say, brilliant musician right up until he cracked(& much worse than Sid did for sure)

@gforce4063

Жыл бұрын

@@riassslave558 Cracked ?

I think the band Yes has an even crazier history than Fleetwood Mac. For a long time if original bassist Chis Squire was in the band it could be called Yes. When he died his wife said anybody who was ever in Yes can have their own Yes. I think there was a time when 3 Yes bands were performing around about the same time.

@rolemodlin

Жыл бұрын

Or Black Sabbath

@wanderingwade8877

Жыл бұрын

Yes, really?

@LTD-7

Жыл бұрын

*In my simulation the band's name was "NO"....*

@MadsMeMMMBop

Жыл бұрын

@@LTD-7 way.

@robertgoolet2707

Жыл бұрын

@@LTD-7 😂

RIP Christine McVie

Great video! As a post script to "Fake" Fleetwood Mac...they eventually put out some pretty good music under their own name, Stretch. Their song "Why Did You Do It?" (prominently featured in "Lock, Stock, & Two Smoking Barrels") is rumored (AYO!) to be somewhat about the whole situation.

@stevious7278

Жыл бұрын

I had two Stretch albums; 'You Can't Beat Your Brain For Entertainment' and 'Elastique' Elmer Gantry and the guys were a great band. I read somewhere that 'Why Did You Do It' was about Mick Fleetwood bailing out on doing the tour with them (the "fake" Fleetwood Mac)

Thumbs up for ship of Theseus reference. Also, remember that when they made Rumours (arguably the best pop album of all time) members of the band were breaking up (McVies and Nicks/Buckingham) and they literally almost gave their cocaine dealer a credit on the album (but he was murdered before release so they didn't). Also, every person in the band has a song credit (they each wrote at least one song and one song is credited to all members).

@diggingthegreats

Жыл бұрын

Incredible. The history of Fleetwood Mac is eternally bonkers. As John Mulaney said, rumors is an album “made BY and FOR people cheating on each other” 😂😂

@danielolson5378

Жыл бұрын

I think it's bascially a miracle that they actually managed to record this album without either od on coke or kill eachother 😂

Peter insisted that it was just Fleetwood Mac, and hated that venues insisted on billing them as "Peter Green's Fleetwood Mac". And yes, even "Peter Green's Fleetwood Mac featuring Jeremy Spencer". I appreciate that you boiled the in between members to one lineup rather than "yeah some came and went". It's not that complicated. Some finer points: Christine didn't actually join until after Peter left, Bob joined to replaced Jeremy, Dave and Bob Weston replaced Danny, with Dave lasting one album. Weston was fired mid-tour for having an affair with Mick's wife, so they canceled the rest of the tour for him to recover, which is where the fake Mac comes in to fulfill the tour dates. The following album doesn't do what they hope and so Mick considers finding a new member to shake things up creatively, while Bob considers leaving. Bob left in December 1974, and by the new year, Buckingham and Nicks were in the band.

@kitsunegiblaze8022

Жыл бұрын

Jeff Lynne's ELO.

@MadsMeMMMBop

Жыл бұрын

@@kitsunegiblaze8022 is all that matters in my world.

Just because you don't know something doesn't make it a Mandela effect.

Are you not gonna mention how among those 10 studio albums prior to Rumours, TWO of those albums are indeed called "Fleetwood Mac" as well?

One great incarnation of the band which gets overlooked often is the Bob Welch period (71-74), which included the albums: Future Games, Mystery to me, Bare Trees etc.

@darthjesus420

Жыл бұрын

Penguin is underrated

@davidevans3227

Жыл бұрын

"mystery to me" album is good ..imo..

@darthjesus420

Жыл бұрын

@@davidevans3227 oh def a no brainer

@ursafan40

Жыл бұрын

I consider the Welch era their weakest, but even so it's still great stuff. I do love "Heroes Are Hard To Find" , and "Future Games, Bare Trees, Penguin and Mystery To Me" are all very good albums from the 70's era

@quentinkaasa47

Жыл бұрын

You're gonna have to give me some time. I just found out Bob Welch died. . .

Peter Green was the founder and person responsible for the creation of Fleetwood Mac. Peter, Mick Fleetwood, and John McVie were all alumni of John Mayall's Bluesbreakers band. Peter initially asked Fleetwood and McVie about the idea of forming their own band. Fleetwood was on board immediately, McVie took a little more persuasion, which took the form of the name. Peter named the band Fleetwood Mac to encourage John to join. Which he did. Months before the first album release, after only the first few gigs had been played. Peter also wrote several songs that a lot of people know, even if they don't know him. Like, for example, "Black Magic Woman". Made famous by Santana version, the song was written by Peter and first performed by Fleetwood Mac. Also, "The Green Manalishi", which might surprise those that like the Judas Priest cover. And he wrote "Oh Well", which has been covered and continued to be performed during the Buckingham-Nicks era. Before she married John, Christine went by the name Christine Perfect and was a member of Chicken Shack. She did some work with the band, met John, eventually married and became the first female member in 1970. In broad terms, there are three major incarnations of the band. The original, led by Peter Green, is probably musically the best, but suffers from recording quality. The early 70's saw a Bob Welch led second incarnation, with better production and a more "accessible" sound. You'll still hear things like "Hypnotized", "Bermuda Triangle", or maybe their cover of "For Your Love" from that period sometimes. Then, in the mid-70's, Welch left, Buckingham and Nicks joined, the band took a decided turn towards pop (a direction they'd drifted towards during the Welch era, somewhat), and the rest, as they say, is history. What's sad is that the Buckingham-Nicks lineup is what people think of as the "original", and it's definitely not. Eight studio albums with them, nine without. There is nothing at all uncommon about massive personnel changes through a band's career. Look at Deep Purple, the only original left is the drummer, Ian Paice. We're about to see Kansas tomorrow night, there's only two originals left, and one of them is currently injured. But, you can listen to either of those bands now, and still identify the sound as the same band from 40-50 years ago. On the other hand, people still refer to Ted Nugent's "Ted Nugent" album (the one with "Stranglehold") as his "going solo". However, if you look at the lineup on that album, and the one before it, it's mostly the same people. I think they dropped one and picked up two. Only time I've seen someone "go solo", and take the band with them. All that really happened, is that he finally took over the band, Amboy Dukes, dropped that name, and changed labels. The prior two albums were listed as "Ted Nugent & the Amboy Dukes" and "Ted Nugent's Amboy Dukes".

@vinceinhouston4338

Жыл бұрын

On a side note to Carlos Santana, he says that Peter Green's Black Magic Woman was the impetus for him becoming the performer he was. He begged Mick Fleetwood to try and persuade Peter to play live with him when Santana was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Peter's mind was long gone and he went up on stage to perform as Mick somehow convinced him to do, but he kept turning down his guitar. Carlos realized this and kept trying to turn his guitar up. I think he was very disappointed by it all. Mick ended up going to listen to the tapes with Peter's guitar turned up more, but it is unclear what he heard. He does say that Peter was playing the song, but not at what quality.

@dooplon5083

Жыл бұрын

iirc Danny Elfman did the pseudo "going solo" thing too but only because his band Oingo Boingo was going through a big label change or something, featuring basically the whole band. In either case the rest of the oingo boingo discography was under MCA and many of their older hits were re-recorded to get back the ability to license out those songs

The Beach Boys also split into two bands but they sang and played the same. I'm glad to see Fleetwood Mac and other great bands live as long as they: can legally play using that name, sound the same, and concert ticket prices are reasonable.

one of the best channels on youtube, period. Keep up the good work sir.

Really enjoyed this. Nicely done. The band didn't call themselves Peter Green's Fleetwood Mac. The record company added Green's name to the album cover without the band's knowledge. Green, who hated fame, was very upset about it and his name was later removed.

@atlasking6110

Жыл бұрын

This is Fake News. The band's official original name was "Peter Green's Fleetwood Mac featuring Jeremy Spencer." Which was quickly shortened for obvious reasons. It was too long.

@maschyth3334

Жыл бұрын

Only douche bags say “Fake News”. Don’t be such a mental weakling.

@TokyoXtreme

Жыл бұрын

Rod Torfulson’s Armada Featuring Herman Menderchuk

@AlphaMachina

Жыл бұрын

@@TokyoXtreme lmfao did you see that they came out with a new Kids in the Hall show?

@archereaster611

Жыл бұрын

@@atlasking6110 Not fake as Peter Green was in a documentary stating this.

The Dark Side of the Moon remained in the Billboard 200 albums chart for 736 nonconsecutive weeks (from 17 March 1973 to 16 July 1988)...now that’s proof of a simulation!

@kevinbean3679

Жыл бұрын

Will the real "Pink Floyd" step up? Which one of you is Mr. Floyd?

@thedoom_guy66

Жыл бұрын

The question of life: Which ones Pink and which ones Floyd?

@djstarsign

Жыл бұрын

Wait until this simulation guy learns about Syd Barrett. Simulation bro, only possible explanation!

The song "dreams" is what charted in the billboards... And dreams are what is used as metaphor in the movie "the matrix" for the simulation

Greeny named the band after the mic and John not only for them to join, but so they’d have a permanent place to play/band. Peter wanted to explore in different tastes and knew he wasn’t gonna stay in FM for too long (his virtuous playing/sing/writing can land him anywhere not so easy for a drummer and bass player). Hence naming it after the rhythm section. Essentially making it mic and johns band,

Your fervor and presentation have caused me, through my love of classic rock, to subscribe. Despite alleged discrepancies in this particular bit of news, I have never been so entertained so quickly. I'm still kickin' ass on the road at 63, and enjoying shit worth watching. Kudos, man!

So Every 10-12 years every cell in our body has been replaced . Are we even the same person as we were a decade before? kind of in the same vein as the ship of theeseus thought experiment

You have failed to consider the fact that Camper van Beethoven redid the entire Tusk album.

“So I basically only know the ‘Rumors’ era and what, they used to be a blues band? Who is Peter Green? I understand Fleetwood but who is Mac and why didn’t they include McVie in the name? Yup, simulation. Only explanation.”

The fact that there are several other lineups after that and that Lindsey Buckingham straight up called the latest iteration after he was fired a cover band just makes this funnier.

@diggingthegreats

Жыл бұрын

It never stops! It’s insane haha

@zackzallie8735

Жыл бұрын

The Fleetwood Mac drama is longer than the whole One Piece lore lol

@adspur

Жыл бұрын

No offense to the rest of the band.If you took Buckinghams talents away from their biggest albums would they have been to great?The answer is a big fat no.Lindsey bad them great.He was the true genius.

@nathanielovaughn2145

Жыл бұрын

Egos do not make a band worth remembering. Fleetwood mac exemplifies this fact.

@nathanielovaughn2145

Жыл бұрын

@@adspur Amen. He saved the band and gave them a reason to be known. Old witch wannabe girl sounding like Elmer Fudd and the rest of the members rolling in mediocrity on a good day.

Peter Green named the band "Fleetwood Mac" (Mick Fleetwood, John McVie) to entice John McVie to join officially. Previously it was the title of a Peter Green instrumental named after the rhythm section - the only consistent members in all the different line-ups.

@HardCoreGarage

Жыл бұрын

Agreed, so its always been at least 2 members

if you think the history of Fleetwood Mac is confusing it's because you've never seen the history of the Brazilian band Angra (currently it only has one original member and he is the composer)

Well, with Christine’s passing, it’s looking like Fleetwood Mac is done, especially according to Mick Fleetwood.

I still play 'Rumors' every week. And nope, not because of TikTok.

Man, I am LOVING your content. Got hit by a truck a few days ago and while in bed came across the Soulquarian video and loving everything you’ve done. Couldnt wait to get up today to dig into my funk archives.

@tlovehater

Жыл бұрын

Lol what?? Unintentionally funny comment, hope you're doing ok now.

@prilljazzatlanta5070

Жыл бұрын

@@tlovehater thanks, doing good and pulling out a stack of albums to listen to everyday while im home. No complaints here. Its enough to make a grown man bizzerk…but fun nonetheless

@WristwatchAddiction

Жыл бұрын

Totally thought that was going to be a joke. Hope your feeling better!

@DZNTZ

Жыл бұрын

You didn’t REALLY get hit by a truck… this is a simulation, remember?

@prilljazzatlanta5070

Жыл бұрын

@@DZNTZ 😂

I was in a band with military members. And this sounds like what we went through, of reconfiguring band members a LOT. Our dual lead guitar members were the BEST🙌🏼

Hall was asked to be lead singer of Van Halen , he turned it down , and David Lee Roth got the Job !

Also relevant is that their musical style changed dramatically. At some point, you think they would have just chosen a new name, but inertia is a powerful force.

@santosmadrigal3702

Жыл бұрын

I think KISS is going to be that .

@PotrzebieConolly

Жыл бұрын

Like Jefferson Airplane -> Jefferson Starship -> Starship

@donyoung7874

Жыл бұрын

A name change isn't needed just because the musical direction changes. Especially if you're a band with any amount of name recognition.

Rumors is far from the best Fleetwood Mac album. Then Play On or Bare Trees is their best work, imo.

@diggingthegreats

Жыл бұрын

But which “Fleetwood Mac” are we even talking about? 😂😂

@vinceinhouston4338

Жыл бұрын

The ones with Mick Fleetwood in them obviously 🤯😂🤣

John McVie is an original member , Peter Green insisted they be called Fleetwood Mac . Fleetwood for MIck and Mac for John McVie .

This is a little out there. It's almost like claiming that the Beatles weren't the Beetles since John, Paul, Ringo and George weren't really insects.

What about ‘The Beach Boys’? The current band that tours as ‘The Beach Boys’ has only one original member of the original members, Mike Love. a few years back when they wanted to do a special tour to celebrate their anniversary, they billed some concerts as The Beach Boys with Brian Wilson and Al Jardine. Even though Brian Wilson was the driving force behind the group - composing and produce most of their songs. He tiredly worked with a group of studio musicians called ‘The Wrecking Crew’ to lay the backing tracks down and only brought the rest of the group to lay down the vocal tracks. Fast forward a few weeks and when their contractual were over, Mike Love decided he wanted to go back to touring with the band he had put together and saying goodbye to Brian and Al. Leaving them to tour as The Brian Wilson band with special guest Al Jardine.. The other Wilson’s, Dennis and Carl had both passed a few years earlier so having them join was impossible. Brian took them took Mike Love to civil court to get their Band name back -- I mean it was the Wilson boys that made The Beach Boys.famous and namely Brian who created heir sound evolution from surfer Do-Wop to Rock and Roll legends. How does this happen? I find this as every bit as compelling as Fleetwood Mac’s story. Especially since no one can deny that @StevieNicks and @LyndsayBuckingham

And another piece of trivia (that will already be known by Peter Green fans) is that Black Magic Woman which is often credited to Santana was actually written and performed first by Fleetwood Mac.

@vinceinhouston4338

Жыл бұрын

Yep. That's why Carlos had him on stage with him when he was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. So much more to the story in Mick's book Play On which I reccomend checking out.

I saw Fleetwood Mac in Atlanta GA. on their Rumors tour, and it was a truly awesome concert.

You won't be seeing the only original member of Lynyrd Skynyrd if you see them anymore. R.I.P. Gary Rossington.

I listened to the 'Rumors' album for the first time in years today and now YT is recommending this video...we're definitely in a simulation. What's up?!?

@diggingthegreats

Жыл бұрын

THE SIMULATION IS REAL!!! 😂😂 what’s up Cap’n!

Now I just need a breakdown of the Rumors album completely. I just would like to see the approach to how you would tell this story 😂.

My parents had the Buckingham Nicks album from before they joined Fleetwood Mac. If you listen to the first Fleetwood Mac album and the Buckingham Nicks album separately you can hear the 2 sounds coming together.

IIRC, this happened to the band “Yes.” At one point in the 80s (?) there were zero original members. The original members formed a band and tried to tour/record as “Yes”. Lawsuits occurred and the original members released an album as “Anderson, Bruford, Wakeman, and Howe”. Sorry if there’s slight factual errors; doing this from memory.

Never underestimate the power of coincidence...it would be even more strange if coincidences NEVER happened, so to assign some special revelance to those that do is fallacy. Also, it is incredible how many bands not only go through personnel changes, but how many van utterly change their sound. Consider, for instance, how Ministry sounds on "With Sympathy" vs practically everything else after "Twitch."

@Greeceindirestraits

Жыл бұрын

Nicely said! The interesting thing about coincidences is that they do not actually happen. I mean that two or more events are not deemed as coincidences by all people. It is more of a personal - mind function that tries to connect things, in order to create a broader picture of the world, relating things, persons and situations. During this procedure, it is easier to learn and remember things that somehow look similar or happened at the same time or have a common central reference point. Through this surprise, we learn more things, easier and faster, because we combine them with things we already know and interest us, through the chemical procedure in our brain that takes place. What we call coincidence is actually a very useful learning tool!

@shuruff904

Жыл бұрын

Fxxking Ministry!! 🤘 (I actually own 6 of their albums on vinyl, including With Sympathy, which isn't very good and kinda goofy....but if you showed it compared to Psalm 69, people would never guess its the same guy lol) Celtic Frost had a hair metal album, Kiss had a disco album...there's a bunch of weird one-offs out there

@felipecardoza9967

Жыл бұрын

@@shuruff904 imagine this: I first heard "Every day is Halloween" on college radio in 1984 working 3rd shift. The very next Ministry sing I heard was "NWO." I thought there had to be two different bands with the same name. I learned later that Al simply did what the record executives wanted, just to get a contract, then made a hard turn into what HE wanted to do. Saw them in 2008 with my son and then 2018 with my daughter. Always a great time.

@nathanielnicholson559

Жыл бұрын

Imagine my thrill when, years ago when the internet wasn't much of a thing, I had been searching for an album by this band 'Pailhead' I had heard on a Santa Cruz skateboard video... I found a copy of 'trait' at my junior high nurse's yard sale. And what about Bad Religion's first album...? Nothing like the later stuff. Sorry, you said Ministry, I geeked :)

@shuruff904

Жыл бұрын

@@felipecardoza9967 yeah, Everyday is Halloween was crazy lol...more synth-pop than anything, but going from that to NWO is a HUGE jump lmao

I saw the fake Fleetwood Mac in 1974 in Boise Idaho. We thought we were going to see the real Fleetwood Mac but since we were stoned out of our minds, the concert was pretty good.

No no. No... Peter Green was furious when the record company launched the band as Peter Green's Fleetwood Mac. Green chose the name specifically because when he left they'd still have a band.

Dude, if you think that's crazy, try make a video about the bottomless rabbit hole that is the member history of prog rock band YES. Featuring constant line-up changes (that being departures as well as many comebacks of members), several dissolutions and refoundings, several instances of parallel Yes-related bands consisting of different (ex-)members (with the unavoidable legal trubble concerning name usage), subsequent mergers of those parallel bands, mergers with previously completely unrelated bands (as in The Buggles of Video Killed The Radio Star fame), bands that originally weren't intended to be Yes, but ended up having so many previous Yes-members by accident that it was decided to simply rename them back to Yes, a current line-up that features no original members, and lots of egos and interpersonal drama to round it off.

The best Fleetwood Mac album is the Buckingham Nicks LP.

I think this happened a lot back in the day. Bands like King Crimson and Yes come to mind! Members exiting stage left then coming back full circle and leaving again.

The name comes from the surnames of Mick Fleetwood and John McVie! These guys were the rhythm section in both bands. A band is no longer a band when it’s a rubber band!

I find it funny that as a kid, I always considered the two main members of Fleetwood Mac to be Stevie Nicks and Lindsey Buckingham. Ok, ok..I thought that literally until I watched this video and I'm in my 30's. I literally heard them and Stevie's solo albums, every day of my life for the longest time because she was my mom's favorite artist.

“Isn’t it Midnight” is too brilliant to have been conceived by humans. It’s too perfect

I think Fleetwood Mac is a rhythm section, Mcvie bass and fleetwood drums are the two constants

Black Magic Woman is one of my favorite Fleetwood Mac songs

Next time use the Big Mac to prove that "we are living in a simulation.". .and yes, we want "fries with that." Loads of them.

So a rock band changes its members, therefore the universe is a simulation? I want my 10 minutes back.

@janesmith7676

Жыл бұрын

Exactly my thoughts. I'll give it to him though - this is new level of clickbait.

@DefenestrateYourself

3 ай бұрын

No one owes you anything

@Jarnagua

2 ай бұрын

@@DefenestrateYourself You obviously don't understand my comment. What I mean to say is: This vid is garbage of a whole new level. Maybe you enjoy dogshit clickbat like this, and that's on you.

The ship would not be the ship if it wasn’t named and paid for. If someone named the ship and owns it. Then all the ship can be burned and the beginning of a new ship will be the new ship named the old name. Fleetwood Mac is a band name and is owned. It’s like menudo. The band.

Really glazes over the fact Peter Green himself was the biggest name in the band when it formed. For good reason, he's still regarded as one of the finest blues guitarists of all time. He was a shy innovator and skilled musician, but on stage confident and had fierce energy. Green had already been in the Bluesbreakers and made a name for himself elsewhere too. So by the time of Fleetwood Mac he was the biggest name out of all of them. After he left he briefly rejoined around the time of Tusk. But vanished again pretty quickly. Green also wrote Black Magic Woman (famously covered by santana,) Man Of The World, and (imo near invention of metal itself,) - The Green Manalishi And It's Two Pronged Crown. To name a few.

@Eyesofthebeholder214

Жыл бұрын

Oh wow that's good info. Thanks for sharing.

I saw them in concert in 1982. It was not a simulation.

There is a quite well-known band here in the UK called Dr. Feelgood, an r&b band, which started off in the mid 1970's and are still playing gigs with, and I stand to be corrected, no original members in their current line up at all!

BEST BAND EVER! Fake or not, their music is legendary! ❤️

@nathanielovaughn2145

Жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣

The original Fleetwood Mac was PETER GREEN'S BAND. PETER GREEN was FLEETWOOD MAC. Green was THE MAN at the time. Green was in the same statosphere as Clapton, Beck and Page. So PETER GREEN started FLEETWOOD MAC. Fleetwood didn't ask him to join anything. Green was the one with the reputation and the record contract. Mick and John were in Mayall's bluesbreakers when Green was already there. When Green wanted to start his own band he remembered Fleetwood and asked him to join. They in turn ask Mcvie to join but John originally declined in order to stay in the Bluesbreakers. He later changed his mind and joined. So let's not mix history. The original Fleetwood Mac was called PETER GREEN'S Fleetwood Mac BECAUSE it was Peter's band.

Or just recognise that an orchestra is not defined by its members. We don't say the current orchestra is a tribute orchestra.

As a DJ back at that time..... Fleetwood Mac's first hit was " Oh Well", which is almost entirely acoustic guitar and bass. VERY little drums or vocals. ( BUT - MORE COWBELL!) Common in their music and odd for a band started by a drummer. In the late 70's there were several bands that seemed to be in a contest to see who could have the largest traveling concert show. Two of the leaders were Fleetwood Mac and ZZ TOP each with a literal fleet of 18 wheelers to stage each show. National Lampoon did a comedy routine of Fleetwood Mac wanting to launch rockets to put speakers into space and turn the earth into a concert.

The Theseus ship dilemna is easy to solve. Once Theseus sells the ship, it is no longer Theseus' ship. Up until that time it is still a ship, owned by Theseus, therefore it is still Theseus' ship. Just found your channel and love it.

@pete7164

Жыл бұрын

Well yes this is true from a purely material perspective, but then you're kind of missing the whole point of the metaphysics of it

@michaelhall5429

Жыл бұрын

@@pete7164 that's what makes it funny.

Conan the Cimmerian told us in "Queen of the Black Coast", 'if this is a dream, then I am real within it and the world is real to me. Mad respect to you sir for referencing ship of theseus

Let's see ... the original four piece with Green , McVie, Spencer and Fleetwood , then Danny Kirwin joins and Spencer vanishes , next Green fries out and leaves , Christine Perfect joins , Kirwin freaks out and leaves and Bob Welch joins ... Welch leaves , Buckingham Nicks join , Band breaks up , then reforms but Nicks and Buckingham can't get along and Buckingham is fired to be replaced by Neil Finn and Mike Campbell ... How many Macs ? Lot's more than two ...

for my money, FM wasn't FM until lindsay buckingham and stevie nicks came to freshen their sound and VASTLY improve the songwriting. every one of their songs that i like are heavily embossed by buckingham's trademark sound/writing.

Maybe you should read Mick Fleetwood’s autobiography. He covers all of this. Including the Mac.

@vinceinhouston4338

Жыл бұрын

Yes! I agree. Play On is a very good book. I was only a passive Fleetwood Mac fan and really enjoyed it. Afterwards I wentback and got every record from the Peter Green's Fleetwood Mac up to Rumors. As I said in another thread on this video, they were a great blues rock band on par with the Yardbirds, Bluesbreakers and other prominent acts of the time.

There is no Fleetwood Mac without Stevie Nicks- she is the ONLY indispensible member of the band...

@Heartwing37

Жыл бұрын

Agree but crazy that they didn’t want her originally because they already had a female singer with Christine. Christine also looked down on Stevie because she couldn’t read music…and it got pretty rough on Stevie. But, they needed Lindsey so much that they took on Stevie since he wouldn’t leave her behind. The rest is history….

@debbiehanisch2099

Жыл бұрын

I don't agree. They were a great band for years before Buckingham and Nicks came along.

@ra639

Жыл бұрын

@@debbiehanisch2099 So you're the one....

@vinceinhouston4338

Жыл бұрын

@@debbiehanisch2099 Exactly. They may not have gotten the radio play and hits of the later iteration, but musically they were on par with the Yardbirds, Bluesbreakers and old ZZ Top (great first albums, well before Eliminator)

Don't forget the group Yes basically became two bands at one time. The classic lineup and the later members from the 1980s and early 90's

So, in essence, I drive on my simulator while living in a living simulator.....while listening to virtual insanity.....and then of course Closing Time...can't forget that one...ever

Are we sure more than one Fleetwood Mac isn't a compound plural? Attorneys General Mothers in law Pandas Express Fleetwoods Mac

@diggingthegreats

Жыл бұрын

Excellent point. Fleetwoods Mac it is!

I sat thru this whole thing & u never gave any evidence why F Mac means we live in a simulation. Because their band name is weird& they had several lineups?.

Peter Green was in Bluesbreakers with John McVie. Mick ended up gigging with them. Peter was quite impressed with the other two's talents and wheedled them into forming a band. Even though it was his idea originally, he didn't want to be in charge or be the named leader, and "Peter Green's Fleetwood Mac" was his compromise. Shortly after, he quit the band. He had been showing signs of emerging schizophrenia, which was exacerbated by an acid weekend in Germany. After that he was never really able to work to a standard that satisfied himself. They tried to keep his spot open, at least insofar as using him to fill in for breaks, but eventually they all decided together that Peter was done; the other intermediate band members didn't get along always with Mick, John, and Chris, and so they started posting "artist wanted" ads. You know the rest. You knew this part, too, you just wanted to make something juicy out of business as usual.

Never seen anybody refer to a band who did 20 weeks at #1 with "air quotes"...

That's why it seems like a dream. Got me hypnotized~

I’d argue the evolution of the band was destiny. Mick Fleetwood, John MACVIE, = Fleetwood Mac. All iterations of the band were frankly, incredible. It completely jelled when Lindsey and Stevie joined and Rumors was the culmination of that evolution. The other thing, most prevalent in music over sports and everything else is peoples assumption it’s magic. Sure, looks, smells, feels like magic but at the end of the day, the product is a result of so much work individually and collectively.

@plasticweapon

10 ай бұрын

you misspelled "mcvie".

You should watch 1899. Btw, Jefferson Airplane/Starship has an even more convoluted history.

This video is an example of how glitchy and inane the AI running this simulation is, at times.

I'm Not One to Be An Opinionated Gatekeeper Except When I Am, Dept.: My cognitive dissonance refuses to accept the whole simulation theory and presses my stubborn as hell opinion that Fleetwood Mac began as one of the great heavy blues bands, eventually becoming whatever the hell they ended up as via countless garbage revolving door personnel changes. (Bows and accepts roses) Thank you!

Music is almost always performed by a larger group, even if there is one person featured or four. Or five. When we listen to Janet Jackson we're listening to lots of people. What is amazing is how well they have done with only one #1 hit. That's proof of something. The Supremes have 12. And some of them were only recorded with one Supreme, but lots of people are heard on all of them. And Rumours isn't their peak. Their next best album is always right around the corner. But will it have Lindsay? In the book on Rumours, it was revealed that before recording any drums, they took days, days, I tell you, to get them sounding right. And it's said in the book that the way the records were stored before sale helped them sound better. Simulation? Maybe.

How come nobody thought about making a band called Mick Fleetwood Jefferson Mac Alpine and release the song "That's the Plank&Moebius!" yet is beyond me.

You could have gone with the Little River Band, for example, which has none of the original members (all of whom are legally prevented from using the name Little River Band). Or you could have gone with Yes. But since you went with Fleetwood Mac: Tango in the Night started out as Lindsey Buckingham's solo project, and he was considered the driving force behind Rumors and Tusk. Does that meant Fleetwood Mac ended when Buckingham left the group, as many people think? And Mick Fleetwood himself was no longer what made them Fleetwood Mac? Or was Fleetwood Mac actually Buckingham Lint at that point? But Stevie Nicks' solo work did better than any of the other band members' solo works, AND further, her songs on Behind the Mask were originally intended for a solo album, and on tour for that album much of Fleetwood's playlist was from her solo albums, so did Fleetwood Mac become The Stevie Nicks Concern at that point despite the presence of Mick Fleetwood? But, then again, Christie McVie wrote bigger hits than any of the other members, including "Don't Stop" which, by Presidential Order, forced the band to reunite at one point. So was it the Christie McNuggets? Then there's the Neil Finn period, so does that make that a new band we might call the Split Enz in a Crowded Fleetwood of Finn Ne? But, heck, it still all pales next to the history of Yes.

Saw them in 87 @ MTSU. Saw my principal and a bunch of school teachers. Strange then but I get it now. Definitely made me see them as cool old people...... I was 16. Good show, Still remember how great Stevie Nicks looked and sang, Christie Mcvie too. Buckingham wasn't with them but hey, not sure what version that was but good show.

@vinceinhouston4338

Жыл бұрын

In the same vein as Joan Cusak's School of Rock character. 😁

Bob Brunning was the original bassist in Fleetwood Mac basically holding the position only til John McVie joined. He knew he was only going to be temporary because Peter Green wanted John in the band from the get go. I know of one known recording with him on it appearing on their first album; ‘Long Grey Mare’. After his stint with Fleetwood Mac, which only lasted a few months, he briefly joined Savoy Brown. After that he became a teacher and an author. He stayed friends with the band through their whole career until his death, authoring three books on the band; ‘Behind The Masks’ in 1990, ‘Fleetwood Mac: The First 30 Years’ in 1998 and later ‘The Fleetwood Mac Story: Rumours and Lies.’

As long as Mick Fleetwood and John McVie are in the band it's Fleetwood Mac

Dude your channel is blowing up. Good to see 🍻

Hilarious! But I couldn't help thinking, "How much of Fleetwood Mac's legacy was pre-Rumors?" Every successful band has other members if you go back far enough. And while we're discussing Rumors, I just have to say 40 years later I'm still cracking up about Buckingham's brass balls!😄

@shuruff904

Жыл бұрын

Baguettes lol....a symbol of wealth used to literally be fake testicles. Also, it was also a sign of wealth to walk around with no pants on, balls hanging, with shoes on before Baguettes were popular. (I'm sure it got cold lol)

@PotrzebieConolly

Жыл бұрын

Those are Mick Fleetwood's brass balls.

Man you know your stuff. I appreciate this type of dive into the impossible than became possible. You got a new sub.

If all of the employees at your local McDonalds left and were replaced by new employees, is it still McDonalds????

Ship of Theseus. If you replaced boards on the ship of Theseus that were cut and fitted for the ship of Theseus, then it's still the same ship.