🔥🔥🔥 Massive thanks for your review, a lot of information about Flare and inspiration to finally try it 😎 Was dreaming about it since first time saw Moustache 🔥

@stevenakkersdijk

2 ай бұрын

My pleasure!! I’m glad to hear that this video might be the last push you needed to give it a try. I can only recommend it, enjoy!

Thank you for this great entry Video. I have seen this glider a lot at the coast of netherlands during my vacation and was fascinated. I think it can be a great alternative to kiting on low wind days. Another expensive hobby 😂.

@stevenakkersdijk

2 ай бұрын

My pleasure! You do see them a lot in the Netherlands as the dunes are such a fun area to fly in. It’s another expensive hobby indeed, but what else are you going to spend your money on 😜

Nicely done!

@stevenakkersdijk

2 ай бұрын

Thank you! Cheers!

Loving it 😍

@stevenakkersdijk

2 ай бұрын

Oh yes! Looking forward to share the sky with you

Really great intro video, well done!

@stevenakkersdijk

Ай бұрын

Thanks so much!

I really want to try this!

@stevenakkersdijk

Ай бұрын

I hope you get to try this!

Ach ja, het houdt je lekker bezig 😜, lekker man 🔥

@stevenakkersdijk

2 ай бұрын

Dat is zeker zo, nooit meer rusten 😅

nice, finally the kiters report on this awesome new toy

@stevenakkersdijk

2 ай бұрын

It was about time, especially as it fits so well

Looks really fun. But am gonna start with kiteboarding first since I have wanted to do this for a long time

@stevenakkersdijk

Ай бұрын

Oh yeah, give the kitesurfing a try! You won't regret it.

This is 'Paragliding'. No matter what Steven and the marketing people at Flare want to say about this "Para-kiting", it is Paragliding. Whether you fly in 'Ridge Lift' (at the coast on cliffs or dunes, or inland) or fly 'Thermals' (usually inland) or just fly down a mountain side, it is Paragliding. In most countries with a regulated airspace system you need a license to fly a Paraglider. Some countries are more strict than others of course. Either way like any aviation, you need to learn to fly, properly. 'Angle of Attack' control, as used in this example, has been around for over 30 years in various forms and designs. Controlling a Paraglider by hand in this way is not new. The newer design '2 liner' Paragliders have used direct AoA control for over 15 years now. Pilots use the Rear Risers to control AoA symmetrically (for speed) or asymetrically (to turn). This design from Flare is just a Hybrid AoA Paraglider control method using brake handles rather than directly on the rear risers. It is a nice design concept. You can fly exactly the same way, do the same things, in the same places, using the regular trailing edge brake control system, the 2 Liner rear riser AoA control method, or this Hybrid AoA brakes method. Either way, it is still Paragliding.

@stevenakkersdijk

Ай бұрын

Appreciate the in depth comment Godfrey, sounds like you've been in the flying game for a long time. It does indeed fall under paragliding in most (if not all) countries and therefor comes with the paperwork of needing a license when flying. Guess we're lucky in the Netherlands where they're fairly easy about the coastal flying. I fly a 2 line paraglider myself and also thought the behaviour would be similar if not the same when steering on the B lines with full bar. But there is a small detail that makes a big difference for the flying characteristics. When you pull your hands down from full to trim speed on the Moustache, it does not tension up the brake lines. When you pull further down than trim it continues to increase the Angle of Attack and also mixes in the brake lines which increases your pendulum effect and increased lift drastically. On the 2 liner you can achieve something similar by pulling the B lines down, but you still miss the effect of the break lines unless you come off bar simultaneously and pull on brakes. Because of this extra flare or lift that the moustache can provide I find it a more fun and "safer" glider to fly at the coast. Especially if you add the ability to change the AoA by just extending your arms up which comes in handy when you want to or have to land in a zone of compression (hard to land on speed bar). I'm super excited with this new style mixer system which is a new way to control the glider for me. The name they and me give this sport is a tiny detail in my eyes that can stir up very long discussion. I do know that this feels more like kiting when controlling the glider than paragliding does, so I'm happy to use parakiting or paragliding at the moment.

@godfreywenness533

Ай бұрын

@@stevenakkersdijk Not all 2 liner Paragliders are hot comp gliders or High C's. There are also plenty out there in the smaller wing zone for stronger wind coastal flying. You are confusing using the B risers for purely pitch control on speed bar etc with actually flying using the B risers alone (not on speed bar). The 2 liner B riser control flying is 100% AoA control and offers similar flying to the hybrid brake control of this Flare design. Try it on a similar aspect ratio 2 liner glider to your Flare. You will quickly see it does the same thing albeit via different mechanism. The Flare design does not magically give "extra flare or lift" - it simply converts a given forward speed at a given loading to a momentary climb until the various forces are in balance again. EXACTLY like any other Paraglider would when adding the brakes or pulling on the rear risers or coming off speedbar (ie positively changing AoA). The Potential to Kinetic energy equation does not know which way you are changing the AoA to slow down - the end result is the same. As far as safety goes, there are a lot of pilots dead or with life chaning injuries due to playing with low AoA states low to the ground. To say one design is "safer" than others in your opinion is not based on real world outcomes. A Flare or any other Paraglider model design has a limited AoA range from Stall (positive AoA) to frontal collapse (zero >negative AoA). I suggest you test a few side by side with enough recovery altitude and see the differences you think are there. Let me know. The fast flying low AoA frontal collapse point will be remarkably similar you will find for similar design manifests. The 2 liner AoA design using the rear risers for control, as noted has been around for 15+ years. Its closer to AoA control on kites than the Hybrid Flare system..yet we didnt call them 'Para-kites' then, nor do we now. Calling them "Para-Kites" does no one any favours. If anything it leads to misinformation especially for the kite flyers who all tend to operate in a non-regulated environment. Paragliding is sports avaition, Kite-surfing is not, though I have seen plenty of videos of them getting quite high or flying down hillsides (shakes head). Enjoy your flying.

@E620SE

14 күн бұрын

It's different then a 2 liner. Try it.

@rondoodledix

3 күн бұрын

I just got done saying essentially the same thing. A marketing stretch to actually try to say it's not a paraglider, and now there needs to actually be another nation created because of it. I want to fly it, but no matter how impressed I am, it's still going to be a paraglider, and I don't do nations either. I feel you nailed it about the marketing department. Oh I get it! Modern times! It's a Paraglider that IDENTIFIES as a Para-kite!

Nice to see you talking about this. Did you partner with flysurfer as well?

@stevenakkersdijk

2 ай бұрын

Been enjoying this wing for a while now, so it was time 😅 not partnering with Flysurfer, still super excited and happy with CORE

Great video. Are you using this with snow skis?

@stevenakkersdijk

2 ай бұрын

Many people do, but I haven’t been much in the snow so didn’t get the chance. But I would love to

How do u go upwind?, or does it apply the same rules as flying a kite?. Thanks

@stevenakkersdijk

2 ай бұрын

The most lift is created when the the wind hits an object like the dune as head on as possible. So there is no need to fly upwind as you would fly over the ocean if you did that, where the lift disappears and you would land in the water. You fly the lift band on the dune which is on a cross wind course. If the wind is slightly side on you'll still be able to go upwind in the lift band.

Have you ever crashed with those things? How much riskier is it compared to kiteboarding? And what will happen if the wind drops?

@m007mm

2 ай бұрын

yeah, wanna know too.

@bryanvanostheim

2 ай бұрын

If the wind drops, you will just glide down and you need to land. In the mountains we basically fly without wind to glide down as fast as possible. If you take lessons and be true to yourself, you can significantly reduce the risk of crashing. The pro about the Moustache is also that it has depower so you cover a big wind range and when you hit a gust, you can basically just depower. The biggest issue is that many pilots get overconfident with this wing, because everything seems so easy and it’s very tempting to push the limits

@stevenakkersdijk

2 ай бұрын

I haven’t had any big crashes with paragliding or parakiting, but did have a couple of wake up moments. When you’re aware of your environment and play it on the safe side it’s about as risky as kiteboarding. The downside like Bryan mentioned, is that people get over confident and that can result in big crashes, these are often more severe as you’re flying on solid ground and crashing on solid ground. The wind allows you to fly along the dunes and gain altitude as it creates lift. When the wind dies off this lift disappears and you just glide down toward the beach where you’ll land.

♥ Where did you film this???

@stevenakkersdijk

2 ай бұрын

In a range of locations, but the intro is filmed in saldanha South Africa. It’s a private spot and you need to be a member to fly there.

@m007mm

2 ай бұрын

@@stevenakkersdijk So mooi doar...

so how is this control different from any other paraglider?

@stevenakkersdijk

2 ай бұрын

In order to fly faster and change the angle of attack on a regular paraglider, you have to press the speed bar with your feet. Because of that you can't accelerate the glider when your standing on the beach. With the Flare you just have to go hands up and you accelerate, making it way more Intuitive.

@CrisClaessens

2 ай бұрын

And if you lose the breaks or the break line snaps?

What's the difference between this and paragliding?

@stevenakkersdijk

2 ай бұрын

Most of the paragliding is done inland where you fly up with the thermals (rising bubbles of hot air) paragliders also soar along the coast in a very similar way but the controls are slightly different. You can also change the angle of attack from a paraglider, but this is done with a speed bar that you operate with the feet, this is less intuitive and you can’t apply speed bar when standing on the ground. That’s where the parakite shines, as it adds this control to the brake toggles.

@freddydad1

2 ай бұрын

@@stevenakkersdijk thanks..

@godfreywenness533

Ай бұрын

@@freddydad1 It is Paragliding 100%. Steve does not know what he is talking about. It is wholly false to say it is something other than Paragliding. Over the past almost 40 years Paragliding has many control input variations come to the market. This one is no different to ones we have already seen in the 90's.

@freddydad1

Ай бұрын

@godfreywenness533 thanks, I'm going to do the full paragliding course, in the uk it's mandatory if you want to fly with a club. I intend to get at least 20hrs on a beginner wing before transitioning to the moustache. Does this make sense to you?

@stevenakkersdijk

Ай бұрын

@@freddydad1 If you have the time I think it's a great option to do a PG course before transitioning to the moustache. Over there they'll teach you loads of interesting things!

I don't think those schools teach you moustache flying without having a license first? Or is this mostly a thing in Germany?

@stevenakkersdijk

2 ай бұрын

I think this depends from country to country due to the legal side of flying. I know Germany is very strict when it comes to flying so I can imagine they only teach you in combination with a Paragliding license. In the Netherlands rules are different and I know that versus teaches you how to fly these wings without having to do the paragliding part. If you're interested it's best to contact a partner in your area go-flare.com/StoreLocator?distance=100&order=distance

Since i seen this vid I've done a bit of research, you have to be a competent paraglider, as these wings can be dangerous to fly, can you confirm that you've had previous experience in piloting paragliding and that a lot of training is involved in piloting these wings. Thanks.

@stevenakkersdijk

2 ай бұрын

Hey Freddy, it can be very dangerous indeed but there is no previous paragliding experience needed. There are certified schools around the globe that can teach you how to fly this wing,and you shouldn't try this wing without guidance by a professional. In the netherlands they'll teach you on the dunes, it does help if you have previous paragliding experience, but it's not a necessity.

@freddydad1

2 ай бұрын

@@stevenakkersdijk cheers, I didn't want to do a full paragliding course.

@stevenakkersdijk

2 ай бұрын

@@freddydad1 Totally understand that you don't want to do a full paragliding course. I would suggest that you have a look at the partner map and contact a partner in your area. I know that Versus in the netherlands provides Moustache specific courses in the dunes. In south Africa Wallendair is also providing schooling for the moustache, but this will be in combination with a basic paragliding license due to legal issues with flying there.

@freddydad1

2 ай бұрын

@stevenakkersdijk thanks for the advice, I have found a local school that is a pro partner, just depends if I want to join a club, then I need a ep and then a cp license, otherwise just the ep and then a specific moustache course on dunes. I really need to thank you for this, haven't been this excited to try a new sport since learning kitesurfing 18yrs ago.

@stevenakkersdijk

2 ай бұрын

@@freddydad1 That's awesome to hear! I completely recognize the feeling you have at the moment, enjoy!

what happens if a 40 knots gust hits

@stevenakkersdijk

2 ай бұрын

You’ll fly backwards 😅 but this depends on the size wing you’re on. Gliders have a maximum speed they fly at which mostly depends on the pilots weight (heavier pilots fly faster on the same wing than a light pilot) if the wind speed picks up over the maximum flying speed of the wing you’ll be flying backwards. That’s why it’s super important that you take off in the right conditions and keep an eye on your surroundings. When you see a big rain cloud coming in it’s better to play it safe and land. The wind range on these gliders is really good. I can fly my 18m from 12 knots of wind on a decent dune, and will be able to land up to 20 knots (after that it gets dangerously close to my max flying speed)

i reallly want to learn but theres no school in the country i live in

@stevenakkersdijk

16 күн бұрын

Shame to hear that, maybe you can plan to learn in a different country when you go on vacation?

What makes this different to paragliding?

@stevenakkersdijk

2 ай бұрын

The concept of flying is the same, but it's the way that the controls work that makes it different. With the Moustache you have control over the angle of attack by pushing brake toggles or or pulling them down. With the paraglider you need a seperate speed bar or trims to change the angle of attack making it less intuitive.

@alexanderturl

2 ай бұрын

@@stevenakkersdijk thanks mate.

@godfreywenness533

Ай бұрын

@@alexanderturl Steve is incorrect. The 2 liner Paragliders work using Angle of Attack the whole time. They have been around for over 15 years. Other forms of AoA control have been around since the 1990's with varying degree's of commercial success.

Guys remember that you actually need a licence for flying (most countries) - Flying uncertified gliders like this one often isn´t covering third party insurancy either, so if you hit some kid at 50km/h You are probably not covered by insurance! Great wing though.

@stevenakkersdijk

Ай бұрын

Thanks for the reminder, it is indeed very important to look at your local flying rules to see what's needed in order to fly legally.

Where is it spot?

@stevenakkersdijk

17 күн бұрын

It's a couple of spots together, but most ig this video is filmed at Langebaan in South Africa. It's a private property

I kitesurfi and love it. Crashing on water is generally fine, but this moustache kiting is way too dangerous. I’ve done some hang gliding many years ago and was always told ‘height is your friend’ because when something goes wrong there is time to correct it. When flying so close to the ground there is little time to correct mistakes. That aside, great video, but definitely not for me. I’m staying on the water.

@stevenakkersdijk

Ай бұрын

Hey Gavin, totally understand and appreciate your comment. I do agree that this sport is not for everyone as some people learn by making mistakes, which will cost you in flying sports, or don't want a sport with increased risks. I'm mostly flying within my comfort zone and try to minimise the risks as much as possible (flying low over sand instead of rocks, only getting close to the ground when conditions are good and stable, etc.) But I also know there is always a risk. As a paraglider myself I also know that height increases safety in order to correct mistakes, that's why this wing is meant for coastal soaring in steady conditions and not taking it out in to the thermals. Enjoy your kiting journey!

Just know, if you fly you will break. Its not a question of if, only when.

@stevenakkersdijk

Ай бұрын

Sounds like you have some experience there. I know it's a risky sport and talking to people I have noticed a lot of them have broken bones at a certain point. Yet, they're still flying and absolutely loving it. I've made peace with this risk

@E620SE

14 күн бұрын

And if you live, you will get cancer. The question is if you reach that age.