The video mentioned "chemicals" to melt down the batteries. My question is "What is the residue left over from the recycling process and where does that end up??"

Closed loop has been the process for the lead-acid batteries used in internal combustion cars, for decades. It was motivated to keep lead out of landfills, but it's also saved that battery industry a ton of money.

@trumplostlol3007

Жыл бұрын

They will recycle probably 20% of the EV toxic compounds. Then ship "secretly" the rest to India or some other third world country. It is much cheaper to just ship everything else so that they don't need to deal with it.

@beanapprentice1687

Жыл бұрын

@@trumplostlol3007 then we must create laws that force lithium ion batteries to be recycled locally. Just like we did with lead acid.

Looks like a PR campaign for Redwood. Btw Copper is not used as Anode, it’s a current conductor/connector in the battery. Graphite or Graphite/Silicon mix is used as Anode.

I see “right to repair” legislation possibly playing a big part in battery recycling! The biggest cobalt-hogs are actually mobile devices and accessories. Product design with disassembly in mind, heavily standardized battery form factors would make it easier for recycling companies to extract precious resources back from products! Heavily glued components, proprietary screws and batteries don’t just make repair and disassembly unnecessarily difficult for consumers, but also for recyclers! And it might not be a bad idea to require manufacturers of high-volume goods to publish detailed disassembly industructions or manuals that a disassembly robot can understand and utilize, lest more precious resources end up in landfills… I mean… they run on the same Gcode as a 3D-printer!

@fullup91

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. We're all on this planet together. It makes sense for things to be designed with recycling in mind.

@Schnitz13

4 ай бұрын

Germany has made recycling of precious and other metals paramount in the production of all kinds of consumer goods, including cars, for more than 20 years. The fact that this has yet to become standardized anywhere else is disgusting as we are only manufacturing a major headache for ourselves by making these metals harder to recycle instead of easier. If we cannot easily recycle lithium, cobalt, nickel, aluminium and the like, we're helping to accelerate the environmental catastrophe already in the making worldwide just to make EVs the next big thing. It's artificial the whole idea of generating demand and supply by forcing ICEs off the market AND not encouraging the first two Rs of the green energy triumvirate: REDUCE and RE-USE, not just RECYCLE.

No, every Tesla does not have a Panasonic battery in it. It is a lot of them but not all.

Claiming Musk was a founder of Tesla is a bit of misconception. He bought the company and sued to label himself a founder.

Wow. I expected an environmentally friendly way to "fix" their "problem", meaning not just improving the supply chain but reducing the toxic waste

@OIOIOIIOOIOOOOOIOIOOOIII

Жыл бұрын

be the change you want to see. why do you expect a reduction in toxic waste when you yourself has no skin in the game?

@dansanger5340

Жыл бұрын

Recycling reduces waste and reduces transportation costs.

This guy created a high end metals recycling yard.

@trumplostlol3007

Жыл бұрын

Have you actually see what happen inside those so-called battery recycling plants? This is just FAKE PR. The metal compounds in a used battery are all messed up. They are NOT metals, but toxic and carcinogenic compounds that require expensive human labor to sort through. You can't just recycle the battery as a single unit (like a lead acid battery). There are electronic components too, just like your laptop computer. And a lot of these compounds are too expensive to recycle. Even if you do want to recycle them, you have to waste a lot of energy to recycle them back to the metal forms. All these disinformation is nothing more than FAKE PR. At the end of the day, 90% of these toxic and carcinogenic batteries will be shipped overseas for dumping. Do you know what happens to your used laptop computer? They are never recycled, but end up in the landfills somewhere on our planet.

This idea is being repeated in many places. There is a recycling facility being built just blocks from my home in Canada which will supply materials to the new battery manufacturing facility down the highway which will supply batteries to the EV manufacturers in Ontario and Michigan. If only there was this kind of effort to clean up every extraction, processing and manufacturing process.

@fauzirahman3285

Жыл бұрын

It's not impossible, but it sounds more like they'll have to be willing to put some money into that effort.

@olly7248

10 ай бұрын

If only they would just stop destroying the environment for an unnecessary product… magical thinking 👎🏻🤬

For Battery recovery it does seem better in the US rather than crude extractions done in india or africa, though labour rates will be more

13.5k miles is about an average year miles in some place

That is very outdated - Panasonic is not the only battery source for Tesla, that is long ago.

Wonder what happens to the toxic soup they use to separate the materials?

@lawrencefrost9063

Жыл бұрын

They re-use it, or recycle it. They don't dump it, thank goodness. Well if you live in China...sure

@JJs_playground

Жыл бұрын

Yup, I was thinking the same thing when they mentioned that part.

Crazy what Kumar been up to nowadays.

@Searchforfulltruth911

Жыл бұрын

,🤣😱💀☠️

Something that hasn't been brought up is that it's much cheaper if you have old battery to reuse. Because all the material is already fully enriched and waiting. Comments here seem to be of very clueless people. Instead of digging around and cleaning up rocks in hopes of finding materials, it's way easier and cheaper to reuse old materials. This has been documented before but I see hardly anyone studies and loves to spread misinformation without checking any facts at all.

@OIOIOIIOOIOOOOOIOIOOOIII

Жыл бұрын

do you have any sources for your statements?

@danielstapler4315

Жыл бұрын

A battery pack lasts say 10 years that means that the recycled battery materials can only be a small fraction of today's demand. And that will remain until demand for EVs stops increasing and we have a ten year wait.

the EV industry doesn't have a "dirty battery problem". All EV batteries get reused, then recycled. The real problem is the small batteries from phones and laptops and other gadgets, which are almost never recycled.

@WinPeters

Жыл бұрын

the problem is mined lithium... would take a comedian to distract you from that.

@Poxenium

Жыл бұрын

@@WinPeters nope. Lithium is environmentally friendly, when compared to fossil fuel extraction and refining.

Yeah that redwood guy and Elon weren’t founder of Tesla

I still prefer the idea of discovering and exploiting new battery technologies that are way more efficient than the current lithium/cobalt ones. Besides, recycling these metals can become very costly and energy consuming, which means being not environmentally friendly in the end.

3:33: "And the world will only demand more (lithium-ion batteries) as time goes by." That's a generous statement given all the recent news in early 2024 of virtually EVERY major vehicle manufacturer now scaling back production of EVs as demand for them plummets. The hype and propaganda pushing EVs is being ignored by the masses, if not by the media, including Bloomberg as here.

10:00 “various chemicals” 🤨

JV Straubel is a co-founder of Tesla not an employee

is it cheaper production cost? is the quality of the product comparable with the conventional produced one?

@christopherpearson8637

Жыл бұрын

Yes and why are you asking? The polar bears are melting.

2 things, I would hope to meet and talk to you some day and do more pieces, theres a 1000 stories from batteries to solar panels saving water and some agriculture/farming

@sn5301679

Жыл бұрын

Fire hazard, the energy storages usually grow horizontally. Unless we find a better way to stack them together.

Don’t ignore the issues in Congo re Cobalt! Yes you show people around your luxurious factory and with all that money in the west but yet you can’t help the people at the start of the supply chain by improving their working conditions…

@crackheadvibez5318

Жыл бұрын

Thank you!!!

We're talking about lithium being scarce and we can't get enough of it, so how is it sustainable?

@highpath4776

Жыл бұрын

its not that scarce , but it is in high concentrations in some places and less so in others so lots of waste materials, at one time lithium was a waste from other mining activities.

@inquaanate2393

Жыл бұрын

It is sustainable because extraction and use does not destroy the global environment, only the local environment.

@dansanger5340

Жыл бұрын

There is enough lithium in the Salton Sea area of California to meet all of projected US demand or 40% of projected world demand. And, it's able to be extracted using much greener methods than other lithium sources in the world.

Why is Kumar interviewing the Redwood guy?

Don't forget Envx.

66 Batteries a second? There goes your 15 milliseconds of fame.

@fltfathin

Жыл бұрын

@Gazr Gazr the rate is probably tied to grid frequency because induction motor speed synchronize with that

You can get all the copper you need in Michigan... Why do overseas smh

He biggest change is to let people work from home so they don’t need to buy extra car; less traffic and saving so much time; cars are getting more expensive year by year.

Nice

Love the orange shirt👍

Dr house would be happy

go grab harold and get some white castle

Not every Tesla has a Panasonic battery... cmon now at least do some basic research.

Elon Musk and J B Straubel weren't founders of Tesla.

Driving a vehicle is NEVER carbon neutral, stop lying to you viewers ! Even a muscle powered bike is not carbon neutral... it's just less carbon intensive, less worse, but nothing is neutral or green, everything has an impact

A recycled battery is high grade ore

I can guarantee that this facility will not come anywhere near achieving the numbers projected. First of all, it will NOT likely go into full production by 2025. There are several technical reasons (related to water availability and the complex processes planned for recycling the used batteries) for that which are NOT discussed in this video and which I don't have the time to illuminate here. There is also the issue of getting enough used batteries to them to keep them operating at full production. The amount of greenhouses gases produced by collecting and transporting the used batteries isn't discussed here either. There are HUGE holes in the plan presented here that are NOT discussed in the video. If this facility even reaches half of the output claimed, it would be a miracle. BEVs will not be the best option for most people on Earth in the long term. There are better options, but they involve significant lifestyle changes for the masses and are NOT compatible with ongoing obsolescence of technology and will NOT produce ongoing massive profits for individual automotive producers. If this facility is even completed, it will likely be a fluke of chance. This is largely based on junk science because lead-acid battery production is vastly different than current batteries and recycling them is a hugely different process. Beyond that, the supply chain for rare earth metals required to make batteries for EVs is about to run up on even more constraining chokepoints than they have in the past. This is largely a video about a well-constructed fantasy. Nothing mentioned in this video matches the reality on the ground, nor the evolving landscape for the EV industry.

@dedybadharu2804

Жыл бұрын

but in theory it is possible isnt it? is it cheaper on production cost? is the quality of the product comparable with the conventional produced one?

Whitecastle!

👏👏

6:35

Can’t focus without first asking what’s Kumar doing

Hey doctor kevin

As soon as I saw the title of this video I immediately thought of @RedwoodMaterials. It makes sense all the way.

musk didn't found tesla

THE COST OF REUSED MATERIALS SHOULD BE LESS THEN CONVENTIONAL ONE THEN ONLY PEOPLE WILL ACCEPT

@highpath4776

Жыл бұрын

it wont be as the cost of extraction by cheap labour IS cheap.

I wonder what kind of emissions the plant will emit.

05:40 Untruths here, an EV is far from ‘carbon neutral’ after 13,428 miles… and the ‘28’ how is that part of the figure derived❓That’s called smoke and mirrors, urgh 🤬👎🏻😠🤬👎🏻

Context needed: "Supply chains for petrol cars are convoluted, polluting, expensive, and with human rights issues. The average car needs 50 tons of oil over it's life, often imported from far away places like Russia and Saudi Arabia. This oil needs to be refined which has efficiency losses. In the car the fuel is burned which creates a bunch of different pollutants. Unfortunately it is impossible to recycle oil after it is burned."

@KamleshMallick

Жыл бұрын

Why have not seen documentaries on dirty oil gasoline supply chain? But we see hundreds of features on EV supply chains. Definitely a paid agenda against EVs.

@ResortDog

Жыл бұрын

Actually America was not net importing oil while we were drilling at home.

@hoptoads

Жыл бұрын

LOL. If you are talking about the "Toxic CO2" being emitted by the burning of oil and coal and gas, as impossible to recycle, then apparently you haven't heard about trees and other plants.

@KamleshMallick

Жыл бұрын

@@hoptoads Sure dude. Oil is gushing out from trees. 🤦🏽‍♂️

@hoptoads

Жыл бұрын

@@KamleshMallick " and other plants" - have you ever heard of algae ? LOL, Climate hysterics are an endless source of comedy. How and where exactly do you think oil and coal and natural gas was created in the first place ? That's a rhetorical question of course, I wouldn't want you to burst a brain cell thinking too hard about the carbon 'life' cycle.

Oh you glossed over it, what chemicals do they use to seperate materials? CYANIDE

this is a repost!

badly researched. Tesla use batterys from a number of manufacturers. panasonic is just one

oh the presenter sounds funny

Kal Penn is an international treasure.

That transition mentioned will never come😈

Model 3 is 🚾.

5.5% Battery Electric Vehicles global market share in 2022...not 4%🤣

EXRO technology

13,500 miles (21,726 KM) to make it carbon neutral after taking into account mining, production and shipping. I don't think I can make that distance until at least 13 years owning it. Think I won't be owning any other car for a while once my 10+ year old small petrol car dies.

@idomaghic

Жыл бұрын

If you drive that little, (i.e. less than 2000km/year or less than 166km/month) then yes, it doesn't sound like you really need a car at all (at least not own). In the US, the average distance driven per year and driver happens to be 13500 miles, in EU the average is 11300km (i.e. roughly half), with other words, the average driver in the US would turn carbon neutral after a year, while in EU the average driver would need two years, both are extremely short periods of time considering the lifespan of the car.

😂😂😂

Driving is so dangerous.

From White Castle burgers to Bloomberg documentaries, Kumar never fails to help the audience find the Truth.

🦄🌈🧚‍♂️

Elon musk is not a cofounder

I think liquid hydrogen will be better and way more efficient then electrification. Let’s see. I hope for the best for the nature and us.

@knoworiginality

Жыл бұрын

Conversion efficiency is much lower. It just doesn't make sense for anything smaller/lighter than an airliner.

@JJs_playground

Жыл бұрын

Hydrogen makes a lot of sense for boats and planes, but I don't see it making much sense for passenger vehicles.

@OIOIOIIOOIOOOOOIOIOOOIII

Жыл бұрын

Filling up with hydrogen in seconds, sounds way better then waiting 8+ hours to charge a battery.

@dfghdfzsd

Жыл бұрын

@@OIOIOIIOOIOOOOOIOIOOOIII 🗣️false

@OIOIOIIOOIOOOOOIOIOOOIII

Жыл бұрын

srry imho it sounds better

Obviously this is exaggerated because most of the carbon neutral milage estimates for an EV are closer to 100k miles

@matthewgoedtel5998

Жыл бұрын

Most estimates are incorrect.

and what tax breaks are propping up this supply chain changes??

@InderjitSingh12

Жыл бұрын

nothing compared to tax breaks oil and gas industry gets

I see that view count number alot! 🥵 Like the dang video please guys! 😅

50pc by 2030! Not a chance! As EVs are not the answer!

@dansanger5340

Жыл бұрын

It's already happening. Just look at rush hour traffic in Silicon Valley, the Seattle area, and other tech centers across the country. TONS of electric cars already. It just takes a while for the rest of the country to catch up. Remember how fast smart phones took over.

@fetB

Жыл бұрын

@@dansanger5340 what he means is he doesnt want evs to be the answer

the problem is its probably still more expensive to recycle than making a new battery thats why nobody is recycling them

@lawrencefrost9063

Жыл бұрын

Redwood Materials is on the right track.

@AlenMajetic

Жыл бұрын

the opposite. It's been documented before that it's always significantly cheaper to recycle. Look it up before spreading false info

poor kids from Congo...

@2036scott

Жыл бұрын

Yeah! It's so bad... they won't have a job now, I suppose they will just have to go to school.

Worthless if the coal industry never stop operating

Is Redwood a “green field “ site… pity they couldn’t recycle a building to recycle the batteries… (never mind the the guy who wants to send people to Mars mega factory carbon footprint)

13,500 miles to carbon neutral? Horse manure. It's being plugged into a gas fired power plant.

@JensSchraeder

Жыл бұрын

Or coal

@ALCRAN2010

Жыл бұрын

Nuclear wind and solar have entered the chat.

13,500 miles is misleading, it takes 80,000 miles before a car (EV) is carbon neutral. FACT.

@matthewgoedtel5998

Жыл бұрын

Saying, "fact" doesn't make it so.

EVs keep piling up in the EV graveyards

There you go. Green lies.

worse pollution in the end.