Great video. I used to hate pitch correction until I started engineering professionally. It’s a great polishing tool, but it should be a tool and not a crutch as you say. You can use it to polish a great performance, and just lock in the notes that you want, and to the degree you want. I often don’t correct notes 100% to perfect pitch and never iron out vibrato, so they can feel locked but also still natural. You can also rescue a note that has the right feel, but the pitch is funky. When I’m in a vocal session I would much rather fix a note that just the right rasp and emotion but landed a little flat on pitch than try and have the singer tire out trying to match it. Or maybe you didn’t catch something weird until later and trying to get the singer back in or match sounds is impractical. It’s easy to go overboard and kill the vibe, but used judiciously it’s an important tool!

@void0094

2 жыл бұрын

I feel sorry for people who actually have talent and are great singers.

@into.the.wood.chipper.

2 жыл бұрын

Good luck mining emotion in all that gloss.

@channel-thatfuckingunnamed7713

2 жыл бұрын

it's also cool when used as an effect, in a creative way. I hate when they use it to polish the shit out of a singer's vocal

@MrPDTaylor

2 жыл бұрын

I like to over use reverb. Reverb is my duct tape and body glitter.

@angerami77

Жыл бұрын

@@Luc4s__ of course They didn't, pitch correction was invented in 1997.

Thanks for showing that lol Michael Jackson didn’t need autotune. It just makes me think of how many Artists ( sorry, not sorry ) have absolutely no talent without editing their voices to death but get sooooo hyped.. one of a million reasons why I’m a die hard Michael Jackson Fan. He’s So original! 😍

@lucasgrey1017

2 жыл бұрын

There actually was this thing that Michael used to use that was sort of similar to auto tune it was sort of like a vocoder butttttt he didn’t need it he used it because he wanted it

@DaDandyman

2 жыл бұрын

I've always found this line of thinking to be really elitist. Whether or not a voice sounds good with autotune is the least important part. Auto-tune is an effect, just like chorus, distortion, and flangers. We don't tell guitar players they're "bad at guitar" because they usually play with a boatload of effects pedals so they don't have good articulation on an acoustic, so why are we discounting vocalists who use auto-tune? Sounding good on auto-tune still needs you to be good at controlling the volume and timbre of your voice. The gravel in it, using your enunciation in a way that sounds good, etc. You couldn't put some random guy in the booth with Auto-tune and make it sound like Lil Wayne. These artists have some real talent. Are they MJ? No. But to say "Auto-tune is ruining music" is discounting the hard work of hundreds of artists in the industry.

@noahjackson2

2 жыл бұрын

Same ima die hard fan aswell

@peterashraf2717

2 жыл бұрын

@@DaDandyman I agree with auto tune being used as an effect but not to correct notes...because, first, I personally don't like the sound of this and secondly, the singer can just sing it again if they missed a couple of notes....if you say they missed more notes and need auto tune to do it perfectly without tiring their voices, then can they sing? Plus we're not chasing them, they can record it in whatever time interval they need till they get it right. With the guitarists example, we Don't say they're bad when they use effects. However, we do say that if they play a lot of wrong notes. If they can't play the song right in the studio, why even go and play/sing it live in the first place? They can take as many takes as they want today, we're not in the 70s and maybe mix the best ones or do whatever to make the best version of the song. They wanna adjust the timing of smth, add this thing in here and another in there? Guess what? They can get another take.

@DaDandyman

2 жыл бұрын

@@peterashraf2717 "A singer can just sing again if they missed a couple notes." Auto-tune can't fix a missed note. Any engineer taking themselves seriously would make sure a singer is actually singing the right notes for pitch correction software to center them. They'd need another take. If they're too tired, wait till tomorrow. If tomorrow isn't happening, Melodyne + Autotune are a good emergency fix. And effects pedals can mask wrong notes. Put a big ole reverse reverb on it and you can turn any noise you make into a swell so atmospheric that you could play basically anything that's intended to be in key, and your fuck-ups will generally be masked as ambience. I'd also like to point out that pitch correction for guitars actually does exist in software like Melodyne.

The real reason people have a problem with tuning vocals today is because every vst defaults to being perfectly tuned most old songs aren’t in standard tuning anyway because of older circuits slightly detuning the sound instruments not being perfectly tuned etc so no they didn’t have to sing perfectly in key it was less noticeable but now it’s very clear

@Solaris-sf8ln

2 жыл бұрын

Is there a way to kind of emulate those older "settings" in newer vsts? I want to be able to create rich and "natural" feeling mixes like our predecessors.

@lucasgrey1017

2 жыл бұрын

@@Solaris-sf8ln saturation for starters and you can always slightly define stuff by hand there’s tools in daws for that and some vsts like the arturia synths have knobs on there just for detuning also using stuff like varispeed etc I can explain more over IG if you want

@christianhenry4173

2 жыл бұрын

Music always evolves because of technology.

To be completely fair. Nowadays we use different VST instruments that are perfectly tuned to whatever Hz (usually 440). So if the entire mix that your singing on is perfectly in tune, a vocal only 8 cents higher or lower would result in a noticeable difference and therefore sound out of key. While 8 cents higher or lower to the ear itself or in context with an acoustic guitar or any other organic instrument would be “in tune”.

Love the video but Michael Jackson is an interesting example. Something about his voice is just incomparable. He could be flat the entire time and it’ll still not call for any autotune lol.

@Iutub0ne_Genzore

2 жыл бұрын

this is when the innate talent is joined by a workaholic discipline (or a semi-authoritarian regime) given that it was a child in the most plastic phase, when the brain develops the alchemy of the talent of future champions in football, in sports, in techniques instrumental and in the introjection of musical language. It is the result that he continues to study as an adult for another 20 years, with the humility of the only ones and, in any case, never ceases, never ceasing to do his own musical, melodic, rhythmic, harmonic, expressive, spiritual artistic research. Very simple. apart from any analog, digital, past or future trick, which in the end there is a set of additional colors that everyone decides whether to (learn to) use or not.

@Iutub0ne_Genzore

2 жыл бұрын

what matters is the emotion, banal but true like many things in life. pls excuse my english

I still use melodyne for my recordings, but the more I use it, the more I do it correctly in my future recordings and the less I need to "correct" certain pitches. I like to listen my own voice recoding and sing along to it, so I can practice to improve the "real life version". It also educated my ear, as you perfectly said, to give the best of me in the recording, to the point that passing the recording to melodyne, it's not only just a formality, but also a whole less work in comparison when I was starting to sing. You can destroy a lot of things with a hammer, and you can built great things with it as well. Is not the tool itself, is how we use it. I'm not a fan of autotune sound in voice, but pitch correction, for me at least, when I sing along to my own recordings, has helped me to actually be a better singer. Great video as always Chris, totally agree with you. Much love from Chile!

@chrisliepe

2 жыл бұрын

WELL SAID

@MCMcThriller

2 жыл бұрын

same here!

@DotsSinging

2 жыл бұрын

Me too!

This really helped me place what has been so off about the Xscape mixes. Even the 'original' versions are SO tuned. Wow. I didn't understand what made me feel so uncomfortable about the vocals until now.

@gaia_tellus_

Жыл бұрын

Me too!!

@japo137

11 ай бұрын

Really? Why did they do this? I mean when they release the originals then you assume that it is actually the original demo!

@VinVonVoom

10 ай бұрын

@@japo137 I'm not sure about all of them but for some of the songs they would've had autotune on the original demo. During the Invincible sessions Michael used it sparingly here and there, most noticeably on "Xscape" with the "hoo"s. They might've added it on the demos from the 80s and 90s but I don't really have the ear to determine that.

I can’t sing to save my life but this is really gonna change my approach to recording my artists in the studio, one of them even told me she doesn’t wanna use auto tune anymore after hearing a Michael Jackson acapella, the listening to the pitch corrected vocal to ascertain where you’re going off pitch is a useful piece of advice I’m gonna try it next time I’m in studio

More Michael Jackson ❤️ ❤️👑👑

This guy really understands my pain with modern music

@midnight-2021

21 күн бұрын

Both Autotune and that snap and clap beat effects are annoying as hell.

You explain it so perfectly Chris! The balance you discuss, and really making the key points that bring peace. Everyone should watch this and hear out how Autotune works and doesn't work. Great video Chris! Your perspective is truthful and gentle at the same time.

A rant, but a needed one. In the old days they would change tape speed so a singer could hit notes. And with multitrack tape they would punch in and edit vocals. All just the means to an end and if the vocal was gutless no amount of tech can help it. Thanks for advocating a higher attitude of “is the music good” vs. “was tech used”. .

@chrisliepe

2 жыл бұрын

Great comment. It's important to note that there have always been tools to fix stuff... The performance and emotion in that performance are what is important!

I actually love the way Chris explained points made in this video, he explains things so well!! Like, it's perfectly fine for a track to not be "perfect" but instead adding new dynamics, and using MJ as an example was probably one of the best examples he could've used. Great video, Chris! :)

Autotune is one of the most misunderstood tools in all of music. And its used as a buzzword by people who have no clue how music production and making music works because they think it makes them sound smarter

@matteodelseta

2 жыл бұрын

is also one of the most ABUSED tools in all of music, let me say

@codychavarria6088

Жыл бұрын

It's very abused, mostly because there is no need for talent in the industry period and rap now using makes it worse along with the new mumble crap and pop. Like I said the industry is very watered down even country

@redcr33perproductions

Жыл бұрын

@@codychavarria6088 other than the mumble rap songs out there, there are some very bad corporate pop songs out there so bland, that modern music isn't even worth listening to anymore

@codychavarria6088

Жыл бұрын

@@redcr33perproductions yep exactly

@rrsepicchannel7194

Жыл бұрын

a h wh at wtf what the fuck

This video was so necessary for me at this specific moment in time. Thank you, Chris. I'm recording an EP and I'm having a tough time accepting my own vocals even though people tell me time and time again they sound good. I feel like I'm too critical with myself

@StratMatt777

2 жыл бұрын

Your vocals are better than Bob Dylan's - and he did okay.

@BrockBarr

2 жыл бұрын

I'm doing exactly the same thing. So thanks Chris

@malcolmhodnett8874

2 жыл бұрын

We can’t question it too much guys! Believe in yourself

I will say it without shame. We are grateful that technology hands us the tools that will save us tons of time. Studio, video production, promotion etc etc costs money. Hence if you don't have a steady job you can hardly afford the equipment to record yourself at home let alone have a family or even worse working two jobs you have no time at all. Don't get me wrong, our band tries to be as organic as possible while concentrating on writing decent songs but unfortunately we can't financially afford dropping everything (at least in Greece) to concentrate our efforts in production or practice 8 hours a day so we can hit the studio and be spot on. And no we don't hit the studio unprepared, hoping that autotune will save a half-assed performance but if AI and computers can save us weeks of work and money by refining some hard edges we will gladly take it!

@timothyvonvictory7105

2 жыл бұрын

Good point. Shit is expensive and time consuming! Do what you gotta!

@officialWWM

2 жыл бұрын

Fair enough.

@PackinForSuperbowl

2 жыл бұрын

I think it's perfectly fine to record music as cheaply and easily as possible...but then don't expect people to appreciate your talent as special; particularly other musicians. That is the whole thing. The fact that we can record music damn near anywhere and get stellar sounds with a basic computer, interface, mic, and acoustic treatment is much more of a case FOR taking the time to get great takes. Do you realize how stupid expensive and time consuming it was in the days of tape, racks upon racks of outboard gear, huge studios? I honestly can't understand this attitude.

Chris’s experience and passion really shine in this video. Very few times do I watch a video of an unfamiliar creator and subscribe!

@chrisliepe

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for subbing Grant!

Hi Chris, what sets you apart from other vocal coaches is that other then the fact that your superb at what you do, you actually take the time to respond to comments. Keep up the good work.

@chrisliepe

2 жыл бұрын

I will! Thanks for watching and engaging!

Excellent example of proper and improper use of pitch correction! As a singer, I can definitely appreciate and respect the use of it. It can change the feel of a song so much, and sometimes it feels awkward if the singer no longer sounds like a human

I love your videos 😍 Thank you. I used to hate auto tune until I saw it as a tool. It has it's place just like everything else. I started practicing soft vocals with a real time auto tune and it helped me discover new/correct notes in less used keys while giving me confidence to practice them without getting frustrated.

Hi Chris, thanks for this. That change in tone after you applied the pitch correction is something I hear a lot on Audioslave's first album, it's kind of on every song. I'd love a deep dive into that, his voice sounds a lot more "natural" to me on the last 2 Audioslave albums. Thanks!

Very insightful Chris!

"Autotune" is just an industry standard in pop, but Im skeptical of people when they have a knee-jerk reaction or criticize the artist when it's the team of label executives and producers that use it. If used subtly, it's actually hard to hear it as well. I think pitch correction is like any other tool; it's all about context. What struck me about this Billie Jean excerpt is that it just destroys that signature MJ style delivery. Sometimes being exactly on pitch actively removes the humanity of a recording. On the other, "the Cher effect" is really fkn cool and adds a whole vibe to the track. Same with draft punk's talk box effect. I think those tracks add a vibe rather than subtract from it .

@coffeechaosart

2 жыл бұрын

It's also super popular in country, and metal and well every genre

I reckon Michael sang it that way because he wanted to. It's not like it's out of tune. It's just a different melody, which I would consider vamping, not screwing it up.

Great video!

It takes the real soul out of the voice!

this is so beautifully spoken

i respect you so so much, i appreciate these uploads!

@chrisliepe

2 жыл бұрын

Glad you like them!

Great video, great advice!

Really do value your straight talk ! I have been a Vocal Coach for over 52 yrs…..When I had my training when I was a teenager….my vocal coach used to make us work on centralized pitching ! Sometimes when we could not hear that we were pitchy…..she would record our particular song & play it back to us…..there was no auto tuning in that day & age. Now, people are not so bothered about listening to what they are singing…..because they feel they could be auto tuned! I guess in time to come….the joy of knowing you can sing live….no mikes, no amplification …..will disappear!

3:42 "I am *the* one" - MJ. The "the", which only really falls by a mere quarter tone after the note for "am" is actually really cool... and it allows you to hear it more clearly over everything else that's going on! If the synth/acoustic bass, the guitar, the keyboard, the strings, and more all played "perfectly" in tune *plus* Michael then actually it would most likely become "thin" in texture.

I've listened to songs I had not heard in years, and was shocked at how badly out of tune some of the performances were. I've gotten so used to hearing pitch perfect vocals, that hearing something slightly off perks my ears. I wonder if listening to all those old songs on a regular basis would make hearing "tuned vocals" just as shocking to hear.

@WidarsHall

2 жыл бұрын

I'd wager it would, because that's my experience most of the time when someone else picks the music and it's not ancient. (I'm not up to date.)

As someone who uses Auto-Tune as a sonic choice, it's really interesting to hear the difference. I absolutely see the need for balance. ✅

I love that Spencer is put up there with Michael Jackson as well. He is literally as iconic..just not as known

Im a real big fan of your content and would really really like to see you do a vocal analysis on Lemmy Kilmister's vocals

Great video Chris! Absolutely agree 🤘🤘🤘

Auto-tune is extremely useful for getting lines you're struggling with down too! Record a decent scratch track, tune all the life out of it (zero millisecond attack), use it a guide for pitch matching, get a bunch of really tight takes, make a comp, leave it in as is. How to sound amazing using autotune without "using any autotune!" Any cheap stock autotune plug-in that comes with a DAW is great for helping to get the mimic tones to tighten your lines around if you want to be a purist, but don't have the ears or chops yet! I always rag an autotune on records too. As an effect sure, but on main vocal lines I say leave it off entirely. I was always told if you're in 80 percent of the time you're good enough to tour nationally, so that's what I aim for. I don't know why singers like Spencer or Chester need it on mains at all, other than themselves or some fuddy duddy being like "muh industry standards, muh trends." Their outtakes are better than most people could dream of achieving vocally, so whatever little off moments in the final comp they went with couldn't possibly have ruined anything. It wouldn't even register for the average, casual listener.

I totally agree, u got some great points there

Recently when Meatloaf died 8 started looking for live versions of his music and came across a live version of bat outta hell that is the final track on the bat outta hell album, by the last "sinner before the gates of heaven" his voice was absolutely ruined, he was croaking and his voice was breaking, it strangely sounded amazing, you could hear the emotion his voice posesed and how powerfully he was singing, but if that record was made today I doubt we would get to hear that, but I'm glad we can RIP Meatloaf

I’m glad You touched on this Subject. I share the same Sentiments. To Me, I feel like everything can be done in moderation, but mostly I believe in things being “Perfectly Imperfect”. To Me that’s the true beauty in Art, and really being Human in General. I’ve been doing Music for 20 (plus) years (Wrote & Recorded My first Song in the Studio when I was 9 years old). I’m 32 years old currently, and very old school with My approach. With that said, when I Produce/Engineer other Artist in the Studio, sometimes I’ll use Autotune on them if they need/prefer it…. I NEVER use Autotune on My Own Vocals because I just believe in bettering My Abilities through RAW training and development. I’m Notoriously known for NOT using Autotune in My Songs. 😂 It’s just My preference. If I can’t hit the Note, I just keep trying until I’ve trained My Voice to BE ABLE to Hit it. That simple. I’d short change My Artistry if I do otherwise.

Love this video fighting the good fight of autotune used right !

Hi Chris, I loved your video and super interesting explanations and I thank you. However, as a fan of Michael Jackson, I always tried to understand how he did to record his voice with as much precision for fast or slow tracks... I learned in a fanzine that he was so obsessed with a clean result that he asked once in the studio to put his voice: adjust the air conditioning, in the dark to bring out the emotions, and become a musical instrument, like he could not write or read the notes he did everything in beatbox to release the melodies and the sounds but above all he asked her to come out and find her unpublished in nature For Beat It he broke the hood of his brother Tito’s jeep... and you can hear it in the song... I’ll stop or I’ll be three hours lol... Thank you 😊😊😊

I think the little imperfections in a song make it stand out more 🎧

I believe MJ never used any form of auto tune, this video explains why he never needed it and confirms why I love older music and hate new music, has to be pure talent back then, nowadays it's all electronic edited tosh where the 'singers' sound god awful live (with the exception of people like Adele, Bruno Mars etc) and I'm 24 years old... Great video Chris, love your MJ videos :). Could you also do some more Axl Rose, Chester and Bon Jovi videos too please P. S if you auto tuned your 'I Hate Auto tune' outbursts you'd probably sell millions of it 😂

@chrisliepe

2 жыл бұрын

haha... great idea!

@thibaultderache5658

2 жыл бұрын

"popular" music u mean. There's plenty of group that doesn't use this.

@x_ray5531

2 жыл бұрын

He definitely did in his invincible album. You can tell in some of the songs. I’m an honest MJ fan, not a hater.

@DUVAAL187

2 жыл бұрын

I feel in his mid 90s stuff he would’ve dabbled in it just for experimental sake

@GoldenPickaxe

2 жыл бұрын

@@x_ray5531 and anything post-invincible too. tracks he worked on himself like Days in Glouchestershire to posthumous tracks like Another Day. Freddie Mercury got autotuned for a 2014 rerelease of a 70s live concert, I don't know that MJ's had that happen, it's all been studio afaik. but both artists are so crazy spot on that it's really not necessary unless you're working with tape vocals and recording new stuff digitally

Thank you for this knowledge!

He’s giving you all great advice

Hey Chris! Huge fan of your content and teaching methods! What do you think about a Billy Corgan vocal analysis? Such a peculiar vocal delivery with aggression and softness. I think it would make a great video and would love to hear your thoughts on it. (Sorry to be commenting off topic but I didn’t know where to drop this ideia for a video) Gonna watch this one now about autotune. It’s promising

@chrisliepe

2 жыл бұрын

A Billy Corgan video îs needed :). Thanks for the reminder!

@mentalprogram5256

2 жыл бұрын

I agree I would love to learn more about his vocals. They are usually dry with I think saturation of some kind. I would love to know exactly what's going on there.

Great video yes we should use auto to navigate your voice to understand where we should be singing in the key of that song.And then sing it and keep it as natural as possible.

Personally, I think that auto tune should be used sparingly rather than habitually. I'm guilty of using a lot of auto tune in my singing videos in recent months, but I got a lot of flak for that, so I have dialed it back a little in my most recent videos. Also, T-Pain, who is a finely talented vocalist, uses auto tune on most of his records because it gives his voice as much umph as double tracking gave John Lennon's vocals on his solo stuff and the records that he made with the Beatles.

Got any tips on hearing past your own voice? I usually compare it to body dysmorphia. My band picked my singing style out of many options but I'm not a fan of it as it sounds too close to me, (if that makes sense). Like when you hear your own voice recorded and you hate it 😅 I've got the basics of recording down, as I'm a screamer as well and that was obviously easier to work with. So basically I know it's not any recording knowledge I'm missing. It's really getting in the way of creativity at the moment for me at least as I'm busy chasing signals that either didn't need fixing or my aim is just way of because I'm avoiding something that actually doesn't sound bad but I'm being overly self critical. Also massively appreciate the using correction as an effect. I use it on loads of my backing vocals just to give it that super bright sound you can't get otherwise.

@AD-le7st

2 жыл бұрын

For those who care: I did some searching and found my answer at least. So it turns out it was internalized mysogony for want of a better phrase. Basically, whenever I go remotely feminine, I cringe instead of embrace it. Nearly all clean vocalists are embracing hyper masculinity and feminity (different measures of each depending on the aim) all at the same time and it is this that draws the listener. It's captivating as a human to watch/hear someone harnessing it, because it's confusing. I'm sure everyone has many different hold ups but I think for most men, and maybe women too (scared of going too masculine), this may help anyway. Keep singing all x

Love love love, thank you.

Someone suggested a Billy Corgan analysis earlier, which I think is a great idea. I would also love to see you analyze some isolated Shannon Hoon vocals one day.

Yesss! I use a free auto-tune to only reference how far off I go when I mess up. It definitely is worth singing your lines over and over to get it right.

I’ve just had a first mix back of one of my songs and I sent it with an un-tuned vocal (that I was very happy with). The version I got back was tuned and I’m really not sure about it, seems to me like most of the feeling has gone. I’m someone who naturally slides with quite a heavy vibrato, so it really does sound strange to me. I’m not sure what to do as I feel there’s a pressure these days to sound more and more perfect.

Not a fan of robot artists, more bothersome though is the use of auto tune during the recording process. It causes a delay, often audible distortions, and worst of all it is extremely difficult to correct and explore for notes while a computer is modifying the pitch; much like playing a video game and realizing your watching the wrong screen or character.

Auto tune is a tool essentially in the tool kit of music. If it’s used as a stylistic choice for a song then I think that’s the place for it. If it’s used to correct a singer that’s out of tune then that’s when it becomes a problem. The singer should learn how to sing or leave it in. No singer is perfect and there will be imperfections in singers. That’s what makes them good actually. Pitch correction is a little different than auto tune and while I don’t think it should be utilized either unless for the same reasons I mentioned for auto tune I think it’s somewhat more excusable in its usage. The channel wings of Pegasus have videos that analyze popular singers voices if they are auto tuned or not. I recommend checking them out.

Lmfao "I HATE AUTOTUNE" With a great scream at that lmao

came expecting MJ, skipped ahead and found Satellites. Amazing song.

Michael sounds better with no autotune

Satellites is literallly my favorite song on Hail Stan. This was incredible to see

I live for the slight imperfections in Michael’s vocals. They make him so human and it feels so authentic. One of the reasons I love him as an artist so much. Auto-tuning him feels illegal 😂

One other thing about auto-tuning backing vocals... Is that over tuning them can really thin out the sound. Though I do like some tuning and timing correction with a backing wall of voices.... Also the "auto" part is what I'm particularly not into in tuning.

Michael jackson is my biggest inspiration ever BUT every other inspiration in my musical career are musicians who use autotune, and alot of them use it on most songs Autotune is another way of using your voice as an instrument and i personally love it. People need to be open about music

When i watching Chris i tend to close my eyes and put my earphones on and let to educate me and let what my voice can do.

@chrisliepe

2 жыл бұрын

I like that :)

@shaori1469

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you

I mean, modern production is also pitch perfect too which makes not having tuning sound bad. I agree there is a point where you lose vibrato and everything sounds processed and colored flat, but modern production is usually synth based and those are perfectly pitched, unlike recorded guitars and basses and other instruments that aren't perfectly tuned. If I recorded my vocals over a michael jackson track or any rock track from the early 2000s I probably would sound fine without any tuning, but if I were to record vocals on any modern pop track, my pitchiness will be much more noticeable and ear aching.

I use pitch editing, and do so very sparingly; for example, when a vocal performance is good, but has a slight pitch flaw, I have learned to correct the flaw without changing the characteristic of the performance.

I'm definitely in the "do it again" camp. If I'm off-pitch to where it matters, maybe use software, but if it works then it works.

I LOVE that high pitch Spenser sings!!! It's like an 80's teenaged ally cat screaming in the night!

Ironic, there was an ad for pitch correction software, at the beginning on this video.

@chrisliepe

2 жыл бұрын

haha... I know... funny huh!!?

I liked his voice as is well preserved

Before I clicked on the video, I knew what was going to happen because I tried it myself. I learned the hard way that processing Mike's vocals just isn't the move.

I only use tuning when I’m like 4 or 5 cents flat or sharp, but usually if I do a part wrong I just re record

That’s why I use melodyne first on my dry vocals then add auto tune as a extra sound

Overused tuning plug-ins kills the attitude of the singer. What's sad is since tuning is prevalent knowledge young singers (not all) goes into the studio unprepared with the mindset that it's ok because we can tune that anyway. But as a tool to save a heartfelt take with minor tuning issues these plugins are great. Great video as always.

These tools are their to help us. And it’s ok to take advantage of them because at the end of the day what really matters is that the music sounds good.

the thing that i will say is how about if you like the effect of autotune cuz it adds a feel of like overdriveyness or aggression, like especially on rap vocals?

I could not disagree with you on one point. Finally! Someone that says like it is. What do you think about daft punk? They use it extremely much. I love them. But it's as an extreme effect.

7:08 that was amazing

I still don't know how to edit in my daw, I try to play or sing right on the way in and not have to do much to it other than a few effects maybe? Reverb or delay that's it.

Tuning, like many things, is a tool. Good/correct use of the tool is great. Applying the tool like thick paint over the entire wall of a vocal takes the life out. I have heard young children listen to tuned songs and say "It sounds like a robot" , yeah.

I agree with what you said, but I also agree with what you said... let me explain... I think auto tune is a wicked awesome effect like a delay can be, but like you said - artists may be using it and you don't even notice. That's when it feel a little slimey to me. When it doesn't give the song a vibe, but it "enhances" the song. Artists use delay, but if a delay is being used, someone with an untrained ear can pick out delay vs no delay, but auto tune (when it is being used subtly) is often difficult to hear even to someone who is an audiophile listening to isolated vocal tracks. As a sidenote, you're isolated vocal analysis of Helter Skelter really shows what I'm talking about. Delay vs no delay. I like un-tuned vocals for the same reason I like Niandra LaDes and Usually Just a T-Shirt, but some of the effects on that album are MAD. Auto tune would have suited that album if it was around at the time, but not to tune vocals. As an additive effect... Anyway, I didn't mean to write a paragraph... soooo have a great day :D

@chrisliepe

2 жыл бұрын

I so agree here! That's what I was kinda getting at with the Spencer example I shared. It can really MAKE parts of arrangements if used right!

Chris, this is a question that's been plaguing me for ages now... What AKG K240s do you use?? I got one of the "newer" pairs, and they're not as fun to listen to as the ones that AKG made before getting bought out by Sony!

@chrisliepe

2 жыл бұрын

I've got a pair of the older ones and a couple pairs of the newer ones. I do prefer the older ones, but the new ones are great too to my ears.

One thing that I think can be a pleasant or unfortunate side effect is that having “perfect” vocals in the studio makes live performances *really* stand out, or collapse on itself. Depending on the artist, style, etc., I really don’t mind the hard correction. I watched your Weeknd reaction and I actually like the perfect polish on his voice even though I agree that he has an incredible voice that really doesn’t “need” autotune. We all know he could perfect those takes naturally. But I think his vocal production focuses on modernized perfection even when the overall instrumental production might be 80s influenced. I don’t expect the current Weeknd music to be raw even though it would still sound great. Anyways, the result of a great singer being perfectly polished in the studio means live shows provide the raw sound (assuming that they aren’t using the same level of tuning on live shows). It’s a delicate balance but it all comes down to whether or not the immortalized version of a song on a record *should* be raw or not - which is ultimately what you’re saying haha

one of my favourite ways to use autotune is sing it as close as I can, tune it, learn from it and and practice without autotune. I am not such a good singer, but where I am in my journey it is a helpful tool. I won't say I use it as a crutch, but more as a learning tool for me to lock into the pitch. I was one of those "I HATE AUTOTUNE" guys until I learned how many actually use it. I thought it was only the T-pain effect lol

I use Melodyne on every vocal but not necessarily to correct pitch. I mostly use it to fix sibilance and to export the voice data as midi for doing vocal effects and sidechaining. But there are often times I do fix pitch issues, but only if the pitch issue bother my ear.

But Also, to each His own. What another Man eats doesn’t satisfy My Hunger. There are really NO RULES to Art. 💪🏾💯

Love this video. "Sing it til you get it." The imperfections sound waaay better

I am pretty good with pitch but I feel like I have trouble nailing the additute

11:16 oh my god dude, I laughed way harder than I should’ve 😂

Hey Chris. What do you think about this difficult second album syndrome thing. I don’t understand it whatsoever cos when the band’s first album is popular and best selling, the record labels and the general public will expect the second album to match the success of the first album. And what are your thoughts on album reviews by music critics since they can be quite difficult to convince

@chrisliepe

2 жыл бұрын

The thing is... Most artists have years and years of creative energy put into their first albums, and then a bunch of pressure and timeframes surrounding their second one. It can't possibly be as inspired. I don't really like critics and album reviews. I used to read them, but I'd rather just listen and enjoy... Come up with my own ideas about how I enjoy the album. I have also made a decision not to judge any art... albums etc... because it is ALL good. I try to look for how I can learn and enjoy everything! ...Even if I enjoy some things more than others!

I really don't like autotune, pitch correction. Sounds artificial and robotic. it's hard to find good artists these days without using it

I love pitch correction in its mildest to its most overused forms. It's screwy bc the use of tune the last 20+ years have made my ears over sensitive to natural singers that may fall off key. Doesn't mean they're bad singers or that it doesn't sound/fell right, it just messes with my ears bc your brain is making you think it should sound a certain way. Smh But I do think listening/using pitch correction is a great teacher. And you're literally saying all this as im typing lmao

when used creatively as an effect i don't mind autotune or other pitch correcting tools radiohead experimented with that on album amnesiac and just love how justin vernon in bon iver uses these effects and we know that they use that as some effects cos they can sign there's no doubt about that

When you’re as amazing as people like Michael Jackson, you don’t use auto tune. I even like Chester’s messy vocals on some of his stuff like Victimise or Blackout. Outside of rock/metal and classical, I’d say music is garbage now, and has been since like 2000. I’m especially offended by god awful modern rap….and I love 80’s and 90’s rap.

@WidarsHall

2 жыл бұрын

A lot of current rock and metal does this nonsense, too, sadly.

@dragonfruitreal

Жыл бұрын

music is absolutely not garbage now if you think it is you are getting all of your knowledge of modern music from the top 100 charts thats the only explanation literally all you have to do to find good modern music is step slightly outside of the mainstream there's plenty of amazing songs being made every day

very nice job keep it up you are the best may god bless you

Important video! So I just did about 15 takes trying to cover 'Like a Stone' because none were perfect. But funny thing, out of editing frustration I played 13 takes at once just to hear it and... WOW it sounded so cool. I'm editing the video now and I'm gonna post it on KZread, probably a different channel but I'll link it. The point is, the screwups and human error made it sound so much better than a 'perfect' take.

@chrisliepe

2 жыл бұрын

YES

@NormanTiner

2 жыл бұрын

Alright man here it is. I'm actually super super proud of this. I poured my heart and soul into it. It would mean a lot to me if you took 5 minutes to listen, just for fun. If you like the song I honestly think you'll enjoy it. kzread.info/dash/bejne/k4loz7ivfZDIZMY.html

@GrandmasterofWin

2 жыл бұрын

@@chrisliepe I joined your course and I've watched a ton of your videos or listened while laying bricks. You changed my outlook and inspired me to try new things. If you have time to listen, just for fun this is something I've been holding in for 15-20 years.

Fantastic perspective! You wouldn't look at a painting and decide you hate it because the artist used a ruler. If the art resonates with you, enjoy it, and learn how it was made. It seems to me the only reason you'd hate pitch correction is if you somehow felt threatened by it. Just concentrate on making something you enjoy, not finding reasons to discount the work other people have done.

@chrisliepe

2 жыл бұрын

I wish I could double heart this comment. SO Dead ON!

Great ..... Just saw randomly . Using Michael Jackson is a masterclass.

already know it's gonna be good

@chrisliepe

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

Great vid as always Chris! I'm starting to work on my upper range for them high notes. Would u recommend i practice with head voice(connected) or falsetto(disconnected) more to train the overall upper register. And any tips for an upper range newb?

@chrisliepe

2 жыл бұрын

See any of my vids on mixed voice! :)