Remember that I always put my sources in the description section. You can't use my video for your school or university essays, but you can speed up your research by looking into the books in the list.

@wabalaka1565

Жыл бұрын

Yo Bro know what's up 😂 Actually many students search up Chinese history and see your channel

@yolow86616

Жыл бұрын

Hi history bros. Thanks so much for this video. I will share this out. Cos right now is a turning point for Chinese history. Becos of the current narrative by the ahem.... CCP. As you ended up, we must correct our mistakes not just by the west but also by our own.

@pepamethodman

Жыл бұрын

Kings and Generals represent the western historical point of view and as such serve as propaganda service, most notably with recent anti russian sentiment.

@hanchiman

Жыл бұрын

You doing a good job in correcting historians (especially Eurocentrics) who usually just give Asians history just " general second glance" type and doesn't go exact detail why it happen instead of it just happen

@JJc608

Жыл бұрын

there is no restriction to make opinion or correction on inaccurate historical video, this is free forum man everybody has the right to comment

"Written by a guy who eats at Panda Express once a week" 🤣🤣🤣

@emrsdca

Жыл бұрын

That burn hurt in so many ways LOL

@LarryWater

Ай бұрын

Panda Express > Normal Chinese Food

I love history youtube because of this right here. One channel says a thing and if it's actually bad someone from a specialized channel like History Bros corrects it. This is so much better than schools where there is only one voice.

@Argacyan

Жыл бұрын

I agree for the most part. I noticed errors with the video on the foundation of Carthage as well, such as him using a Greek framework of the Levante or stuff like only giving us 2 Phoenician city names ("Sur" and "Qart Hadasht", but not for example translate Byblos into "Gebal" etc...). Here is one problem: On youtube even though you got many voices, how big your voice is depends on how many followers & how much money you have, not how correct you are.

@scintillam_dei

Жыл бұрын

@@Argacyan For real history, and not the PG Disneyesque mainstream stories of the past, see my series proving that the British Empire was not the biggest. I prove that Jews rule the world. They programmed us to dismiss such claims by slandering me as an anti-Semite, but I worship a Jew, so I love his race.

@SplatterInker

Жыл бұрын

And good curriculum should include multiple view points... but classroom teaching to a test is not very condusive to this kind of learning.

@Korfax124

Жыл бұрын

Unfortunately you have to know the channels that make the critique in order to have it corrected... But yes, absolutely!

@pythonBlender7

Жыл бұрын

@Watcher Good ones do. Bad(indifferent/non-caring) ones don't. The Bad outnumber the Good. Always

K&G has reached a level of mass production that I just watch their stuff for entertainment and take in the information with a pinch of salt now. They are a whole enterprise with a bunch of people(not sure as contractors or in-house team) researching and writing for them, so the accuracy can vary from video/subject to video/subject.

@Wann-zo7rn2qn4i

Жыл бұрын

Yes. Just take K&G as "Once upon a time ...." tales and definitely not quotable in any aspect.

@sarahwewe9201

Жыл бұрын

If you watch K&G, you will find that K&G already put Ukraine - Russia war as history. The war is far from ended. And K&G remind us of what ancient historian would be. Ancient historian wrote history from the master point of view. And Modern historians suppose to be neutral.

@shastasilverchairsg

Жыл бұрын

I lost all respect when they simplistically labelled Russia as evil.

@Blisterdude123

Жыл бұрын

The end road of where they are now is basically the History Channel we joke about, for showing no history documentaries and focusing entirely on entertainment/'reality' tv programming.

@mirage_panzer2274

Жыл бұрын

@@sarahwewe9201 Ukranine War? more like a gold mine for youtubers. Since people from the West are very keen to look up on how Ukraine win the war due to MSM, they would go for that kind of stuff and any youtubers that made such vid will be boosted up by the algorithm since its currently a trendy topic, even those same Ukraine conflict vids from 2014-2020 pop up nowadays which was gone underrated back then. Therefore, Boosted vid, more viewers, easy money. What about the truth? Facts? nobody cares, its all about business.

Kings & Generals is only really historically accurate on European subjects (for the most part), but the channel is a hit or miss when it comes to non-European history (East Asia, Southeast Asia, South Asia, Africa, South America, etc). K&G's 2020 video on "Nanman" was also highly inaccurate as they confused the Nanman with Baiyue along with various other people of Southern China. Contrary to what that video says, the Nanman and Baiyue were separate people (with entirely different levels of technology and lifestyles) that assimilated and became a part of the Chinese identity in different periods (over a different process), rather than simply "wiped out" by the Han people whose use is again anachronistic, which altogether seems more like a re-interpretation of events inspired by the European treatment of Native Americans. By contrast, the Wu, Yue, Chu (Central Plains aristocrat), Ba-Shu, Nanyue (Central Plains aristocrat), Changsha Kingdom, and many more other states and polities were already multi-ethnic, who adopted Chinese culture and often had a Sinitic aristocratic class. These states functioned as primary actors in the politics of China, with their own historical dynamics unique to their period.

@AGS363

Жыл бұрын

Well, no. They are also hit or miss when it is about European subjects. You just can not trust those Canadians...

@callanadamwilliams8200

Жыл бұрын

Didn't they take the video down? At least where I am in Vietnam I can no longer watch the video. I assumed at first it was because of Vietnamese government censorship because the video did touch on the origin of the Vietnamese people and I assumed that the video might have been taken down here for being inaccurate

@caocao4731

Жыл бұрын

They are barely accurate with European history if it takes place after the Migration Period.

@sinoroman

Жыл бұрын

I agree

@Gb-be9bn

Жыл бұрын

@@callanadamwilliams8200 The video is blocked in Vietnam. It says "This content is not available on this country domain due to a legal complaint from the government."

This is the problem with education on KZread in general, most people can say anything and the general viewer consuming it doesn’t know if the person has a degree in the area or specializes in it. Then they take what they hear as the literal word of god.

@Fordo007

Жыл бұрын

Why no one should learn from one channel but a broad and diverse bunch of channels, that motivate someone to researching on their own.

@james_chatman

Жыл бұрын

Hacks like TIK can spout any kind of nonsense and it carries currency on volume and presentation alone.

@fearedjames

Жыл бұрын

Extra History in a nutshell. They often use fringe sources, highly criticized sources, or just straight illegitimate sources, to get the specific biases they want, especially if its to do with someone who was non-white/non-Asian or female. Even some of the videos where they don't display serious cultural bias, they show seriously poor research, such as with their Sengoku Jidai videos, which is full of Imperialist Japan propaganda, outright shit they made up, or historical events they completely misunderstood despite being super damn obvious. (ie. acting like Sunomata castle was built effectively right in front of Gifu castle even tho you can visit the damn thing now, or another castle built on it, and its like 10km away from the fucking castle)

One thing I find impressive is the sheer amount of ancient records that survive to this day, and that is despite most of the ancient records being now lost. The Records of the Grand Historian and the Book of Han are both 100 volumes long, both describing events that took place in BC times. Whereas with topics like Greek and Roman history we are stuck trying to piece together so many events from incomplete records. (Not that Qin Shihuang's book burnings didn't leave behind big gaps too)

@danielzhang1916

6 ай бұрын

the Chinese people were always very meticulous, each dynasty preserved all the royal records of the previous one, and that continuity helped keep everything alive, that's how we still know what happened in the Shang and Zhou dynasties for example, Rome never had that and the writers left biased or incomplete records, that is the difference

Awesome work! Orientalism is sadly alive and well, so it's always refreshing to see corrective pushback. There are gaps in archaeological records the world over. That doesn't have to mean we're completely in the dark, but there's a danger of perpetuating misconceptions when we let a colonial gaze infer and narrate the history.

Kings and generals is at best a simple overview of any of its subjects, it always has something wrong in its videos but its a decent start channel. Really its mainly just visually pleasant for a history channel.

@wheediesmanchild5229

Жыл бұрын

They feels like a history channel documentary for every video, slowly paced and only giving top level information.

@neonnexs1239

Жыл бұрын

@@wheediesmanchild5229 probably the wrong video to try saying they give top level information. They aren't bad, but they aren't the most accurate either.

@scintillam_dei

Жыл бұрын

A lot of the art is rushed and looks messy though.

@scintillam_dei

Жыл бұрын

@@wheediesmanchild5229 Top level? Nah. Typically superficial mainstream Disneyesque narratives as opposed to giving the Grimm legit tale.

@ilari90

Жыл бұрын

@@neonnexs1239 I think he means with the "top level" that it's only the "basics", "the crust", "the surface level", they go into. Top level doesn't mean "best" or "good" here. 'They consider the surface level, but won't go into the bottom of things' would be the idea, which I can relate to, also.

Bro, as a Chinese person, i got my eyes rolling on a lot of Chinese history videos in English except yours. Some of them were completely fabricated and wrong. You are a hero, thanks.

That’s the first time I can remember seeing a mad face on here…

@vitorpereira9515

Жыл бұрын

I was surprised too after all he is a cool headed guy. K&G really messed up again.

Thank you CJ. I too found King's and Generals description of what constitutes a continous and recognisable culture a bit problematic.

I was here because of "Kings and Generals" and "Cool History Bros" both are my favorite YT channels ever

@scintillam_dei

Жыл бұрын

I like INVICTA more than Kellogg's & General Mills but they recently did some dinosaur propaganda shit.

I watch K&G, although i am not Asian i quite enjoy reading, watching stuff and playing things about Asian History. One particular gross mistake i was able to "spot" was on their video, was the one about Warrior Monks in the Sengoku Jidai. They make a point how the great Ishiyama-Honganji was able to defend against the Oda Clan for 10 years, but conveniently forgot to mention that they only lasted that long because they were being supplied via sea by the Mori Clan's navy, and that they surrendered in the end because the Oda had defeated the Mori fleet at Kizugawaguchi.

@MorbidEel

Жыл бұрын

That sounds more like a problem not having enough time to cover everything.

Have been following cj for years. One of the best channels for East Asian history

even people 50 or 100 years from us have a very completely different frame of mind than us right now and wouldn't tolerate some things now

good to see healthy interaction amongst channels，makes my day

Differences in cultural memes between nations depending on intent. I'm with you on that. As a boomer I can well remember the media's efforts to whitewash all of our negative wartime rhetoric about Imperial Japan. I've v-logged on the topic more than once. In fact, my PTO veteran father enrolled me in a Shorin-ryu karate dojo when I had bully troubles in my teen years. For those who don't get the cultural backwash idea, Shorin-ryu translates (by Funakoshi himself) as "From Shaolin". Remember-the more you know, the more impenetrable you become to others. Hehehe.

Buddhism was very popular during North and South dynasties as well. Liang Wudi was a devout Buddhist and he supported the development of Buddhism in the south wheareas Northern Wei was also a devout Buddhist empire who created the Longmen grottoes.

@scintillam_dei

Жыл бұрын

Gautama was an ingrate against God, not caring about him really, which is how he paved the way for communism to make China and some of its neighbours even more ungrateful and degenerate.

@possumsam2189

Жыл бұрын

Buddhism already entered China during the late Han Dynasty, thanks to over-zealous Central Asian monks from Kushan to distant Parthia. It had a strong following by the time of the Jin Dynasty and the most definitive translation of Buddhist texts into Chinese from Sanskrit occurred during that time. (See: Kumārajīva)

Fun fact: The art-work at 11:12 "Yellow Peril," was created in the mid 19th century in Australia for the Bulletin newspaper - a very racist group that desperately feared primarily Chinese people moving to Australia during the gold rush and bringing with them all of the 'issues' in the artwork. The Bulletin continued up until the late 20th century I believe and continued to promote socially regressive ideals.

@possumsam2189

Жыл бұрын

Yellow Peril is used to drive the Chinese away in the United States/Canada, using not too dissimilar discriminatory tactics you see today.

I could feel the second hand frustration from Cool Bros. Man, how can they get it so wrong? Were they trying to discredit Chinese civilization just because?

@ferihizkiajap4648

Жыл бұрын

Western media full of bullshit. Lol

@DragonSlayerCommentariesHQ

Жыл бұрын

I don't think they were trying to do that. Their Channel seems to be more of an outlook on history from a macro perspective so as a result details will be missing, misinterpreted, or may be plain wrong. That's why there exist channels that focus on the micro aspect. We're human beings and even the most knowledgeable of us can make wrong statements. No one knows everything and that's the beauty of history in general.

@kyokosenpai5713

Жыл бұрын

Yup, i see they becoming more and more discredit eastern civilazation, just like they trying to potray the russo-ukraine war

@wolf-man-bear-pig-torque

Жыл бұрын

They're pretty much doing an overview of complex stories shown to an audience who largely may not know much about the topic to begin with. Also, Kings and Generals started off as a side project to showcase the background of games based on some historical stories. People got interested and they wanted to know more, so the channel provided...then later on evolved to be much more than the original purpose. It's not gonna be an authority or monopoly of any knowledge, it's just one avenue out of many to explore these topics.

@TheGreatDanish

Жыл бұрын

Don't attribute to malice what can easily be attributed to incompetence and ignorance.

im glad you pointed out how good of a channel they are and that they were just mis guided in knowledge you really are one of my favorite history teachers ;)

“Truth is the first casualty of war”

You just dropped a dis-track on Kings and General with nothing but facts and research. This is why I love KZread's history channels. Still love K&Gs too, that channel specialize more on battles so understand the mistakes.

@shastasilverchairsg

Жыл бұрын

They specializing now in holy good nation of light Ukraine VS evil spawn of darkness kingdom of Putin-Satan Russia (according to them)

Great video!! They are rarely accurate on anything...they mix facts and fiction and create misconception for long run purposes.... no one serious takes for granted what they say.

To add a little. The story of Dawu is actually have evident about where he actually work to change the water current, how he did it since he would need to cut mountain of hard rock . He did it by taking lots of lots of Tree trunk as fuel. Then burn it. While build a damn to stop water from flowing. After the stone hot enough he release water and the cold water immediately drop the surface temperature create thermal expansion cracking the stone. So yeah. They not saying he is some giant who can cleave mountain or open river. But they show he is a very smart and genius character. Who know. After all Egyptian by that time is also building the Pyramid. Maybe Chinese know how to use temperature to cut mountain

@Ivan-td7kb

Жыл бұрын

Despite that I believe people underestimate the amount of effort that goes into dredging irrigation canals. The Panama Canal is one of the deadliest engineering projects in modern history spanning multiple generations despite modern technology. So while the story of Yu the Great might have fall within the realm of possibility, the Herculean effort required to actually dig the canals push it into the realm of legend and myths.

@marvelloustraveller3559

Жыл бұрын

If this is true, then Yu definately deserve the title great.

@thienngo7252

Жыл бұрын

@@Ivan-td7kb Same as the Pyramids mate. Same as that. I mean who could have thought the Pyramid were built 5000 years ago? So it might require a lot of labor but China never lack that. Look at the Great Wall. So I kinda believe somewhat. But who know. It all for good fun of guessing.

WHEN I saw that episode I though you will review it & now here you are

the translation of god （shangdi）is NOT the god of the shang dynasty, （上帝not商帝）. The word 上帝 or冥冥上帝/上天 refers to the heavens/the higher being that rules all and was eventually given a human appearance as 玉皇大帝, the jade emperor. Christian missionaries used the vague notion of a single higher being that was agreed upon by taoist and confucianist alike to draw similarities with Christianity where the being, god, is also shangdi

@first-last

Жыл бұрын

shangdi was the principal deity of the shang imperial clan, and the subsequent zhou imperial clan who worshipped tian/heaven then justified their rule by identifying tian and shangdi as one and the same entity, so now shangdi/tiandi/tian/haotianshangdi/etc etc almost always refer to the same deity in a general sense

Big fan of your work here. It's beautiful when you talked about Buddhism in Tang dynasty. Goosh! I miss Luoyang and peony garden when I see the picture of Budda statues from this video.

@scintillam_dei

Жыл бұрын

"Buddha": DESRIE NON-DESIRE. A contradiction. How coud he have been free from suffering (reached enlightenment) if he always ate food to survive which proves he ALWAYS DESIRED TO MAINTAIN HIS BODY TO AN EXTENT MEANING HE RISKED SUFFERING IF HE DID NOT GET WHAT HE DESIRED, MEANING HE WAS STILL ATTACHED TO WHAT CAUSES SUFFERING, MEANING NEVER REALLY FREE?

I really appreciate these videos. You've really opened my eyes as to just how badly distorted my previous understanding of Chinese history was*. I'm sure it's still distorted, but now I can at least try to replace the incorrect info with more accurate info. I've always found Chinese and Japanese history and culture fascinating. I'm not sure what it is about East Asia that intrigues me so much more than other areas of the world. Now my mind is wandering down the path of what that reason might be. The rest of the world isn't lacking in interesting history, culture, and folk lore. *The video about "honor" exposed some weak spots in my understanding even though I had dropped the honor/shame model before I saw the video.

@danielzhang1916

6 ай бұрын

because there is so much more than just dynasty and war, very little has been truly explained to people in the West, Asian history was long ignored and downplayed, there's only been a renewed interest in the past 15 years or so, China and Japan are so immersed in history that people feel drawn to know more and more about them, there are very few civilizations that can compare at that kind of level and depth

@Cerebrum123

6 ай бұрын

@@danielzhang1916 While that seems to be an accurate description of how the history of China and Japan has been treated in the West, I'm not sure that's why I find it fascinating. There seems to be some quality I can't pin down that draws me back to studying history, mythology, etc. in the region. There are other places with very rich history but none appeal to me on the same level.

An excellent video! I think the problem lies in the Western historiography rule that "everything must be proven" a.k.a. "pics or it didn't happen". That idea is pushed everywhere. For example, we, the Balkan Slavs, can trace our roots 6000+ years back to the founders of the first discovered cities in Europe (dated to at least 4k B.C., if not older) and the basis of the majority of the European writing systems. We have the same DNA as those people, the same customs and traditions (incorporated into Christianity), very similar language (4000-6000 exact and somewhat 20000-40000 similar words that all Slavs share with modern Sanskrt and very similar grammar), our writing system still uses some letters and symbols found only in those ancient towns (they were discovered in the 20th century, so no cheating here) - but "No-no-no, do you have any evidence? We don't accept non-scientific methods (because we decide what's science)!" I love "Kings and Generals" but they've made too many mistakes over the course of years, they are making large mistakes even in their "Russia vs. Ukraine" video-series - which is a contemporary event, no interpretation required whatsoever - so I simply cannot trust them anymore on anything. Which is sad, because I've been following them for some 5 years now.

@yeetman4953

Жыл бұрын

that far back wouldnt they considered just indo europeans

@thewildchimp

Жыл бұрын

@@yeetman4953 No, because there's no such thing as "Indo-Europeans". Europe, in the ancient era, was what is now the Balkan Peninsula +/- the Apennine Peninsula. Indo-Europeans are basically Aryans, who were proto-Slavs, originating in the Balkans and than moving back and forth to India through both Russia and the Middle East. Evidence: language, mythology, religion, poetry, artifacts, folk-ware, DNA. The Western culture (except maybe on the British Isles) is very different to that culture. Latin culture mixed early on with the Rasenian (Etruscan) and Sabinian cultures so it also has some elements of it. I'd add examples but I don't wanna sound like those Quora guys droning on and on for hours. :)

@yeetman4953

Жыл бұрын

@@thewildchimp yet you have no sources for your claims, also iranians and north indians only used the term aryan, not europeans.

It sounds like whoever wrote the script was trying to turn Yu into a Chinese cognate of John Henry (an American folkloric hero) dreging canals instead of building a railroad.

This was a great video for me, mainly because it breached the subject of how different some concepts about chinese culture are when seen from the perspective of the Chinese vs the perspective of westernes (i.e. Confucianism)

While I do appreciate K&G for not focusing on just European history which so many history YT channels already do, perhaps they should just stick to Western history after all. However, that is the beauty of the study of history: There is no one perspective that must be believed above all others, but more than one perspective from all sides. For a long time I had always believed that "history is written by the victors", but now I know that this is not the case, history is written by those who could write, not just the winners. Otherwise, how come most of the records about the Mongols were from the nations they have conquered? With that, I have become more interested in not just history from the winners' perspective but also from the losing side and other neutral parties.

@sarahwewe9201

Жыл бұрын

To some of historians, History is written by who can write and based on who can pay them to write.

I forget how insane the religious conversion hustle was in ancient times.

Wait, they consider Hammurabi to be part of western civilisation??? Hammurabi was an Amorite who were originally nomadic people from what Is now Syria and we have many Amorite DNA samples from Ebla and Alalakh and they were very similar to modern day Syrians and Lebanese and were unrelated to any western population

@christianjohannsen01

Жыл бұрын

Maybe as in philosophical influence? It may have influenced the Hebrew Bible / Old Testament, or it has of the same source which also influences the Hebrew Bible. The Bible influences Christianity, and Christianity influences Western Civilization.

@samuelademeso9041

Жыл бұрын

Same as Egypt, didn't stop the western lovers from trying to claim cultural legacy from that

@iamgreat1234

Жыл бұрын

Because Levantines (Lebanon, Syria) are considered White by American government.

@ts0505

Жыл бұрын

It makes since honestly; The Greeks and Romans, the founders of western civilization, got most of their ideas from the Persians, who got most of their ideas from the Babylonians, Hebrews, Akkadians, Sumerians, Egyptians, etc. When the Arabs conquered the area, their middle eastern civilization was built from the ground up mostly from ideas expressed in the Quran, which did have influences from the Babylonians and others, but not as much as the Greeks and Romans. So, of all of the recent civilizations, they fit the most with the west.

@mimorisenpai8540

Жыл бұрын

Well western civilization pretty connect with pre islamic middle East civilization, most people in Europe descendants from farmers from Anatolian and greeks pretty much get influence by near east civilization and before islam middle East and North Africa pretty connect to Southern Europe and made Mediterranean civilization who dominate Romans and Persians and Anatolian genetically and Linguistic related in Europe, if you compare far East and middle East from past and now still feel separate universe and only connect East Asia and India is Buddhism even Buddhism is died out in Subcontinent

Love if you made a video on Indian China relationship in ancient times. Almost all Indian kingdoms had diplomatic relationship with China vice versa.❤️

We all have to respect every civilization, even indigenous or tribes because we are all human beings and let's live together with no racism 😍😍😍😍😍

@ctynwbraygalm

Жыл бұрын

Thats the most important thing.

We need more channels like yours, with Chinese people posting videos about Chinese history in the English language for Western audiences. Chinese history is a very niche topic in the west, there isnt much available. I tried searching for non-fiction English language books about the yellow turban/three kingdoms period and there was almost nothing. All i could find was a couple of books by Rafe de Crespigny which were long out of print and cost a small fortune to buy. There are lots of channels out there dedicated to European history, we desperately need more that cover Chinese history!

@danielzhang1916

6 ай бұрын

because Chinese history was long ignored and downplayed by the West, there is so much more than just the basics, there has only been a renewed interest the past 15 years or so, very little has been published in the English world, because they think that not many people are really interested in learning about it

@signoguns8501

6 ай бұрын

@@danielzhang1916 Would the Chinese people want Western institutions interpreting their history for a global audience on their behalf? Im not sure they would. The West focuses on the west because that is their history. They are the worlds authority on that subject, as they have access to all the relevant historical documents and data and archaeological sites. They are not an authority on Chinese or Japanese history and they should not behave like they are. If the Chinese people wanted their history to be available to a global audience then Im sure that they would do that themselves.

@danielzhang1916

6 ай бұрын

@@signoguns8501 it's not about the interpretation of the history, of course it's not their expertise but that's besides the point, people want to know more about the history but it's a niche subject area, you're not doing it just on behalf of the people, that's not the way to look at it

Have you seen the comments section on Kings and Generals, particularly that video? Some of it is sickening... his viewers are not interested in understanding other cultures and civilizations :\

👏👏 Accurate criticism with moderate tone.

In AP World History one of the intial things we learned was that history is full of "change and continuity" and at this point I just don't agree that continuity exists as a purposeful measure of our progress. Continutity more often than not is enacted as convenience during a major regime change, or as a way to connect locals to their surroundings, usually at the cost of real continuity with indigenous custom. Moreover, change never happens just because of nature. It's almost always a reaction to a major stress which can be war, disease, natural disaster or sustained struggle over several generations. Culture stagnates if its gardens are ignored and flourishes as it comes up against other cultures or natural barriers that demand restructure.

Really love your vids and how well researched they are. Some day I wish to be able to make one as good as yours, like how do you go through so many books to do your reading?

Kings & Generals is more specialist on Europe and the middle east, I think he just push pass his human limits.

@leonardoleo5740

Жыл бұрын

No. As with any channel in the West, the are specialised in western history. This includes the Americas and Europe. The middle east is fake, since they only talk about islam.

@lyhthegreat

Жыл бұрын

i thought they are specialized in making mongol videos?

@samuelademeso9041

Жыл бұрын

I wouldn't too bad with Asian history. I mean their video on the taizong emperor of tank dynasty and han wudi of Han was alright

Its not just history they get wrong. Their tactics and strategy segments that they make also betrays their lack of understanding or concepts of them as well and shows only a shallow understanding of them.

Nice bro 😎 i like the way you prepared everything and presentation is amazing. Sorry for King and General errors

If you've seen that video before, have you seen the videos about Emperor Taizong of Great Tang and Emperor Han Wudi on Kings and Generals' channel? If so, what do you think of them? Are they at the satisfactory levels for you?

@ctynwbraygalm

Жыл бұрын

Is this a thetorical question?

@lerneanlion

Жыл бұрын

@@ctynwbraygalm I know he most likely saw them. But I wanted to know what he thinks of them.

My friend who has a PhD in Roman Military history looked in detail about what exactly is going on at KnG and here’s his take; They clearly have at least 3 but probably more teams working separately on each series, and then after they do their research and writing they hand it off to the animators/voice actors who have no idea how good the research is, they just take it and make the video Because of this, the quality of their videos fluctuates wildly. Generally speaking tho, the videos where they actually bother to cite sources are at least reasonably accurate, if heavily dumbed down, but if there’s no sources, it’s by one of their less scrupulous teams and you can’t trust it

@commie5211

6 ай бұрын

As a Chinese person who read a lot of history, i can assure you, i very rarely see Chinese history video in foreign language were accurate. When some of the most critical facts are missing, they are correct, but they are far from accurate. I got pissed off at lot by it....😢 But this channel is some of the most accurate one.

Now i want to see a correction video on whatifalthist's videos. Cant wait to see it!

Just saw I had my subscription to your account undone by youtube, wow instant resub

THANK FUCKING GOD SOMEONE FINALLY SAID SOMETHING ABOUT THIS

Whoa, did not expect to see ol' Dean Murray on a CJ video. Cool!

This channel makes a fantastic work covering the huge gap in Asian history usually found in Internet.

Love this video!

Kings and generals is a channel that produces a lot of videos, preferring quantity over quality. Not only is this video, almost all of them have errors in the information, some admissible, but others are blunders.

Oh well! But thanks a lot for the clarifications! i love both channel anyways, both are great production!

@veyronel

Жыл бұрын

Pardon me CJ, i wonder if you had seen Useful Charts channel, it provides a great overview of the world history.. It might be how they label it as 'continuous' history of a country.. kzread.info/dash/bejne/kZN2w8OGlsyqYLQ.html

Thank you for sharing!

This is a problem I have with KZread history content: there is very little feedback to correct errors. In academia, there is peer review process that checks and validates new content. So errors are caught in various stages of the life of the content: before publication, post publication, citation, and curation. Mistake/disinformation is caught before it goes public. Then conclusions are debated in public. As time passes, the number of citations by following publications also serve as another check on validity. The much later whether the content is included in summary articles or textbooks is yet another hurdle an article has to pass through to be a part of canon. Not only that, errors are associated with the authors and reputation (or infamy) follows them around forever. On KZread, there is only self check before going public, and then occasional dispute like on this video or comments from people who know mixed in with random comments. And there is hardly any downside for creators who get things incorrect. We should all be weary of trusting the accuracy of KZread history content.

@nidohime6233

Жыл бұрын

That's because most viewers don't always know if the videos are watching are being truthful or not. Imagine if someone uploads a video about "The Great Green King of the african kingdom of Zamzibawitatusi" and made it look like a real history lesson people who simply never heard of it might think is true just because they just where looking for african History with no previous knowledge about the matter. Like some say "the easiest way to spread misinformation is by just by telling a lie directly".

@didles123

5 ай бұрын

First of all, there have been a lot of scandals in academia where people have been caught faking data, and this fraud has been discovered long after the studies those data became foundational knowledge and received mass citations. There is also a replication crisis where many studies cannot be replicated when reattempted. Perhaps worst of all, there is a self reinforcing ideological bias in academia that undermines its ability to objectively analyze evidence or hypothesis that challenge said ideology. So, while I will say there are good things about academia, like the practice of citing of sources or having the facilities needed to do certain experiments, the peer review process isn't really one of them. The peer review process does very little to assist in finding the truth, and is more of a popularity contest in which reviewers will apply very high or very low levels of scrutiny due to ideological reasons. Second of all, most of the criticisms in this video are more nitpicks than substantial criticisms. Kings and Generals wanted to plant the flag at corroborated history, and the Shang dynasty is decent place. If you push it back to Xia you enter into much more disputed territory. Kings and Generals are appealing to some objective standard they're upfront about, whereas Cool History Bros comes off as wanting to go back as far as possible.

Thanks for pointing out the difference between 華裔 and 華僑.I learned Chinese for a very long time and still didn't know how to distinguish these 2 words until now. Also, I would like to see more content about the Shang dynasty on this channel:)

I like the term neo-confucianism because it works better with how these thinkers were received in Japan and Korea. The important thing is that Wang Yang-ming for example was interested in slightly different things than what are the main issues tackled in Analects for example. Thus it is good idea to make some kind of a cut but of course, even song and ming confucians are part of the same confucian tradition as earlier thinkers. There are many ways how to put things into boxes and none is necessarilly better than another but it is of course good to know that your particular tradition or periodisation is not the be-all-end-all of things. And this is why a philologist needs the language knowledge to read scholarly works made both within and without of his object of interest.

definitely felt the same when they left out the Tao. And most civilizations felt using writing destroyed language and human memory, so oral tradition, chanted, was key to maintaining all existence. "when existence becomes conscious, intelligence, become intelligent" MMY

Great video!!

YESS this is actually rlly good content, cuz there's no objective truth in the world. only by seeing the same concept through different perspectives can we be less biased and better informed!! thx mate

People at kings & generals couldn't even be bothered with pronouncing chinese name properly. They should stick with their alexander history instead of playing historian with east asian history

Great video as always! I think real information on Chinese history especially regarding pre-Qin history often gets overlooked and misinterpreted in the West. This largely boils down to recognition of the dates and duration of periods in relation to archeological evidence being examined through the lenses of current geo-political interests. Neither China nor the West have much archeological evidence for their pre-historical/ semi mythical beginnings. Yet this is mainly called out on China's side on the Xia. I think examining things with a similar unbiased lense from both sides needs to be the norm. Good on you for drawing comparisons of Xia with Romulus and Remus. Might even be a good video idea to draw more examples from that time period.

@ferihizkiajap4648

Жыл бұрын

You know west always short cut everything and fake it to make it . That’s why western is always full of backdoor agenda. No pure soul anymore

@derpyguy

Жыл бұрын

I can't think of one mainstream European mythical beginning that anyone actually believes in, though. Those who do are generally regarded as crackpots.

@danielzhang1916

6 ай бұрын

Western historians have long downplayed Xia, they think lack of evidence = no evidence, which is not always correct though, they brush it all off as mythology and fairy tales when they can't find it

I used to follow king&generals, but after there were some videos that personally i feel those are kinda misleading/influence viewers rather being neutral , i have finally unsubscribed them long before this video was made.

@leonardoleo5740

Жыл бұрын

This is obvious. Specially after the ukrainian war videos. You cannot trust them.

@sarahwewe9201

Жыл бұрын

I unfollow K&G too because K&G is not neutral as a modern historian. Some of K&G's videos about ukraine war, you cant say those videos as history videos since the war is still happening until right now. That is biased

@shastasilverchairsg

Жыл бұрын

@@sarahwewe9201 yea they are like "Russia evil Ukraine good".

@wecare838

Жыл бұрын

@@shastasilverchairsg exactly.

@sighsgkj

Жыл бұрын

@@shastasilverchairsg IKR.....none of the other modern conflicts like Syria, Libya, etc. get covered then BAM this one needs a series.

When it comes to the sort of "positive orientalism" thing I find myself quite conflicted on harshly criticizing people like Voltaire for it. On the one hand I will concede it does have a tendency to oversimplify, which is always pretty negative, as more detail and more nuance is always better. This can especially be a problem as we tend to look at things from our own particular culture's perspective and might be blind to the implicit flaws or issues in other cultures that may manifest in different ways in our own. On the other hand, learning from other civilizations and using examples from their history and culture to critique the problems with our own culture or to find solutions to our problems just seems to me like a very healthy thing to do. That kind of "he is wrong for positively misrepresenting us!" criticism smacks of "this is ours, you aren't allowed to learn from it". I, personally find that to be quite distressing, as I love to learn Chinese and Buddhist philosophy, and find that they elegantly solve so many problems that I have with many western philosophies and religions.

@TheRealBruceLouis

Жыл бұрын

see i personally would like to see K&G cover more asian topics as well too, even if its accuracy isnt going to be on par with their european vids. but vids like this may really dissuade other eurocentric channels from trying to tackle asian topics.

@stephenjenkins7971

Жыл бұрын

I find it problematic since its an absurd Western habit to do so while non-Western cultures don't even bother. It leads to situations where Westerners have to bend themselves into pretzels while non-Westerners can continue to be ignorant about other cultures.

Early China: A Social and Cultural History ““Early China” refers to a long period from the beginning of human history in East Asia to the end of the Eastern Han Dynasty in AD 220, a date that is often, though imprecisely, used tomark China’s entry into the Buddhist Era. As the initial period that gave the Chinese civilization much of its foundation, Early China has always served as the gateway to China, by offering a series of essential lessons in government, social practice, art, religion, and philosophical thought, necessary for students of all periods of Chinese history. But in a more general sense, if history is the best way to teach about a culture in which people live, it is perfectly natural that knowledge of Early China can provide what is often the most fundamental explanation of aspects of the social life in modern China and of its underlying values. As a field of research, Early China Studies is one of the areas that have most dramatically benefited from the advancement in modern academia, particularly in the discipline of archaeology which has been renewing daily our understanding of China’s distant past. It is also a field that has seen occasional interplay between politics and scholarship, and that has been much shaped by different national or international traditions.” Chronology of Early China Early farming communities Pre-Yangshao 6500-5000 BC Yangshao Period 5000-3000 BC Early complex societies Longshan Period 3000-2000 BC Early settlement-based states Erlitou State (Xia Dynasty?) 1900-1555 BC Shang Dynasty 1554-1046 BC Zhou Dynasty 1045-256 BC Western Zhou 1045-771 BC Eastern Zhou 770-256 BC Spring and Autumn Period 770-481 BC Territorial states Warring States Period 480-221 BC Early empires Qin Dynasty 221-207 BC Han Dynasty 206 BC - AD 220 Western Han 206 BC - AD 8 (New Dynasty) AD 9-24 Eastern Han AD 25-220 Collapse of early empire Li Feng Columbia University

I remember that video, and thought it was very flawed and disappointing as well. It felt more like a purposeful attempt to diminish China than an actual historical view.

I love Kings and Generals, and Devin's narration, but the channel isn't really well versed in Asian cultures. He got multiple things wrong with multiple west and southwest asian nations too. I think they should probably contact some other channels like yours when coming to things such as east Asia, especially China. People who are native to a country can help a lot.

@moderatecanuck

Жыл бұрын

They are not well versed in African history as well

@geordiejones5618

Жыл бұрын

Its surprising they don't do collaborations with specialized channels it would make their content better

This is why I usually avoid "Eurocentric" Historians who try to get into Asian history, especially Chinese history

@leonardoleo5740

Жыл бұрын

They're not "eurocentric", they are simply a european channel specialised in european history. And they do well in asian history.

@hanchiman

Жыл бұрын

@@leonardoleo5740 I usually don't trust Gwei Lo attempting to talk about Chinese history.

@JiPrime

Жыл бұрын

@@hanchimanExactly, I only trust non chinese asians for chinese history :)

@zacmarulo8721

Жыл бұрын

@@leonardoleo5740 "specialised in european history". That is eurocentricity.

@SafavidAfsharid3197

Жыл бұрын

@@zacmarulo8721 as apposed to indocentric, sinocentric or afrocentric?

Are you planning to do videos based on Sino-Japanese War’s, Boxer Rebellion, Opium Wars, and Pacific War?

This is one thing great about history, it reveals much about the past and also equally much about the present. If you know the storyteller you can learn about the past through the stories they tell, if you know about the past, you can learn about the storyteller through the stories they tell.

Thank you for sticking with real history

I believe Kings and Generals would appreciate this, and even make a revised version.

@mirage_panzer2274

Жыл бұрын

X to doubt

Good! I have often visited foreign academics who lecture or narrate on East Asian history and I find them inaccurate. They looked down upon Asians with snide remarks alluding to criminality, dishonesty and borderline evil. Even Mulan was interpreted through Roman eyes as the director was Italian. So Honour which was a foremost virtue in Roman history was transferred to the Chinese military. Of course, it is not intentional as she obviously doesn't know Chinese culture being an American Italian. She had Hakka Tulou in Fujian as northern Mulan's home. Mulan must be a time traveller as Tulou were not yet created in Mulan's time and would have to travel nearly a thousand miles to battle the nomadic invaders in the north. Anyway, Mulan is just legend so no big deal and Toulou looks so cool. Besides, they had best looking Chinese actress so that's another plus!

@mimorisenpai8540

Жыл бұрын

But Film get Invest from CCP even government promoted it

@chintham2861

Жыл бұрын

@@mimorisenpai8540 Please give evidence for your claims.

@stephenjenkins7971

Жыл бұрын

@@chintham2861 "They looked down upon Asians with snide remarks alluding to criminality, dishonesty and borderline evil." I call BS here. Asians are a wealthy minority group in the West and have relatively low crimes per capita via the population. If anything, Western experts tend to downplay any and all war crimes down by East Asian powers since all focus of such things are internalized rather than externalized. Meanwhile historical experts in East Asia only support their own narratives and whitewash all of their own cultural baggage to the point that such like the Japanese barely reflect on their actions in WW2 and the Chinese lionize the worst of actions in their history. If anything, I suspect any semblance of Western critical thought on East Asia, which would be seen as mild criticism by Western standards, would be seen as horrible bigotry by East Asian standards. We should be doing that MORE, not less. Call out the fact that lionizing much of the history of East Asia effectively promotes imperialism/fascist thought rather than just roll with it.

You sir made interesting point about European Christians calling philosophies and religions after it's founders like Christianity from Christ. Followers of Islam were until recently called Muhammadens instead of Muslim or Musulmaan (plural) Keep up the good work!

Great video. The Roman Empire didn't end in 286 AD. That was just the year when the administrative division into Eastern and Western Empires began. At that point, the two emperors were co-equal and jointly ruled both halves of the empire (eg. ruled the entire empire).

@scintillam_dei

Жыл бұрын

The Bible prophesied that 10 European empires would conquer the entire world, and they would be based on Rome. Lo and behold, that is what happened. The 10 empires were represented by 10 toes. The legs represent Rome (which was 2 for a long time, so it fits well). The Bible also prophesied that Alexander would conquer the Persian Empire. I did a video called "How the Bible explains Kangaroos in Australia from Noah's Ark."

@Intranetusa

Жыл бұрын

​@@scintillam_dei No, you need to read more about history and geography. Neither the Romans nor the Macedonians conquered the world. The Romans barely even conquered half of Europe. The Romans and Alexander's empires don't even make it into the top 20 largest empires in history.

13:03 Love how you used Ti Lung's pic here

1:05 It does. It's worth pointing out, though, that Roman culture of the Bronze Age civilisation is not the same civilisation as Roman culture from the period of the Classical civilisation, which is not the same as the modern Western civilisation (which has its roots in the early medieval period of Western European history). The civilisation of our ancestor or forebear is not necessarily our civilisation.

I love both channels, I hope a collaboration soon.

Excellent! Yes! What is "continuity"? And is it different to simply remaining the same? Is it even possible for a civilidation to be frozen like that?

I love how he debunked kings and generals without using the terms racism and ignorance. K&G have more posts with skewed perspectives. Thank you for this.

If you want to fix King&General error, you have to spend a lot of time. Probably your whole life.

Fan of both channels

Kings & Generals is one of my most favourite historical channels (along with Simple History) with amazing research, narration and historical accuracy. Can’t wait to see which parts you are correcting since every historical text has its own interpretation. EDIT: I think your points raised are really valid, I feel K&G took a broad perspective of the history and told it in the form of a narrative that does have western bias for more of a broad or western audience, since their experiences are from western historical perspectives. I think that they do make minor mistakes here and there, but their efforts to cover such broad subjects from the Pacific War, to the Arabic empires, mongols, crusades, etc show that they explore vast ranges of different types of history. I think it’s good that they cover broad topics in general and have channels like yours which can point out the micro mistakes as you’re more detailed with Asian history. Good job and I’ll still continue to love both channels 👍🏻

I’ll definitely share this with other people

@Cool History Bros - 7:08 I would like to hear more about this point here about Historical Narrative and Evidental History. After all the misconception is cleared up, I think this leads to one of the more honest differences in perception, although even 'earnest' perceptions can be colored the student's cultural context. Perhaps you can point out the limits of evidential history or the lack of evidence need not lead to the presumption that a continuous cultural tradition did not exist. Or show where scholars of the western canon treat 'western' historical narrative with less skepticism than when they approach other cultures. Regardless, I do think this general approach to history can lead to earnest differences in understanding and it's worth further discussion. Overall great video, 10/10 - thanks

@danielzhang1916

6 ай бұрын

I think there is a bias when looking at Asian history, they think that just because there is not enough evidence, that means that it did not exist, they immediately brush it off as mythology and hearsay, that is what a lot of Asian people immediately object to, because they want to ignore and downplay what they can't find

Subscribed!

nice, you've convinced me to subscribe :D

It;s a shame that I can't triple like. Cool video, Cool Bros!

Can Voltaire's and the Enlightenment's appreciation of Confucian rationalism help us in explaining the greater compatibility with the West and greater facility in modernization that is shown by Confucian-based societies in East Asia, compared to the non-Confucian societies in most other societies around the world?

History is carried in oral tradition long before writing. As a poet I am keenly aware of this human mnemonic device. History as a doctrine begins in the oral tradition. So China's civilization predates and her poetry precedes any written records.

You actually did the video 😁 Happy here

@scintillam_dei

Жыл бұрын

More drama please.

@scintillam_dei

Жыл бұрын

@Badatallthis Stuff Disagreement is drama.

@scintillam_dei

Жыл бұрын

@Badatallthis Stuff You don't have any grasp of figurative language, nor knowledge of basic slang in English.

I think the most tragic part of that video is that it has provided a “justification” for misinformed/racist people to hate on chinese history and chinese people in general.

I really appreciate this work and I enjoy it thoroughly. But, people who say youtube is "better than school where there is only once voice" are wrong and that's a really misleading thing to say. This is gonna be really long but in an age of rampant online misinformation, I feel responsible to discuss why school is and should be a safe haven for teaching kids. First, let's examine schools - pre-uni level, your textbooks are the work of multiple historians and educators. They contain within themselves references to the work of generations of historians - textbooks get revised often in many countries. You are also given reading outside of the textbooks and course work that encourage you to research beyond - much of the curriculum is also about writing argumentative essays so you can even have your own voice there - in some highschool and especially at uni level, history is studied in a completely different way. No one's telling you what happened. It's all about reading 1st and 2nd sources and synthesize knowledge to compare, contrast with existing notions You may say: but textbooks can be heavily biased by the state and you're right. But boys do I have bad news for you about youtube. You think just because youtuber aren't state-employed they're not biased? Many "education" channels take funding and money from think-tanks. Even if they run on patreon, they need to appeal to their audience to keep the funds going. You will never be bias-free. You'll just have to examine things closely all the times. You may also say: but at least here you have multiple creators whereas in school there might only be a handful of teachers with the same training. Again you're right. But my reply is two-folds: the first problem is that public education is underfunded. Most states don't invest in teaching students properly on the humanities and social sciences. So the solution is not ditch school for youtube. It's to fight to fund public education. Secondly, whose voice gets picked up on youtube is heavily biased by the infamous algorithm. If you're the kinda of person who looks for small, niche channels to follow and contrast them with bigger, more established channels, then you'll likely do the same at school anyway. There are so many more things to say but I hope you all have an idea of why looking at things as youtube vs school is a very simplistic and misleading framing to operate from

@hung-upear2659

Жыл бұрын

Your point about education channels getting money from think tanks- can you bring some sources or information I as a simple 18 year old don't know about?

@Theo-oh3jk

Жыл бұрын

Thanks!! --from a teacher.

Finally, some folk dicide to stood up against misrepresenting channel like them!

I, as an American historian, try to use Middle state but people just stare at me wondering what I am talking about. Sigh. So much ignorance.

Stopped watching K&G about a year ago.

Very intersting!