Good enough, a good friend once told me that the worst enemy of a good idea is a better idea, sometimes optimal is not achievable with the resources available or allowed, so you have to be creative and accept that good enough is exactly that, good enough to function properly and safely, as well as last a while. I restore homes, it's funny that all the channels that I watch, we tradespeople are forever in need of band-aids and tape, lol! No matter how good, experienced, and careful you try to be, you still get bit, oh well, there's always band-aids.

@EngelsCoachShop

3 жыл бұрын

True statement.

The time you don't get paid for ... Every craftsman has to deal with this on almost every project.

@martincox7354

3 жыл бұрын

I always found that you cost new builds and repairs/renovations differently. With new, you could cost a job pretty well because you knew all the variables. With repairs or renovations, I always offered an estimate and not a quote because we never quite knew what we were going to find and how long it would take to fix it. I did have a customer who insisted upon a quote for a renovation. Fine, I just doubled what I was going to estimate it for - that covered everything and the customer paid way too much.

@jonka1

3 жыл бұрын

@@martincox7354 I used to renovate and restore vintage cars. If I had a customer like that I used to get them to tell me their maximum they thought the job would be worth and they always said far more than I had in mind. Once they think it's their idea I have no complaints over the bill.

I love woodworking, sometimes I make something, sometimes I just make sawdust. I am a 75 year old Disabled Vietnam Veteran. When I came home, I was so afraid of death, I was no longer living. So, I became a Hospice Volunteer. After the first year, I thought, I need to do more. So I started working on wood projects for the families to remember their loved ones by. I just wish I had your tallent.

@EngelsCoachShop

3 жыл бұрын

Good for you! Keep it up.

A retired Army Colonel once told me "The goal is perfection, the standard is excellence". That was an excellent repair, perfect for the situation which presented itself to you. Well done.

@MichaelOnines

3 жыл бұрын

If he had been enlisted I'm sure he would have followed that up with "...but we're stuck with you" :)

@LostMountainRestoration

3 жыл бұрын

@@MichaelOnines LOL.

@arlynsmith9196

3 жыл бұрын

Yep. When perfection becomes the enemy of good enough, going out of business follows.

@LostMountainRestoration

3 жыл бұрын

@@arlynsmith9196 Perfectly said.

@rdaltry777

3 жыл бұрын

I had a LTC tell us an 80% solution executed on time was better than a 100% solution executed late. I took a lot from that. Perfection is not always required or desired.

Dave, I appreciate the extra time and effort you put into getting the "extra shots" from different viewpoints for editing those brief segments where, for example, you see the hammer hit the nail or rivet from one side and then see it fly out on the other. I'm sure others here appreciate it as well. It's the icing on the cake. Thanks!

@redgrittybrick

3 жыл бұрын

I agree, I find his videos often contain a few shots that make me think about and appreciate the thought that goes into shooting and editing. This time it was the maybe one or two second shot of the tyre-iron rotator (used for heating) slowing to a halt when unplugged. There's a kind of slow, gentle poetry in these stories.

@EngelsCoachShop

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you Clarence.. I enjoy mixing it up a bit.

@chuckthebull

3 жыл бұрын

I do get a kick out of the stop animation stuff hes done,,I bet it was a lot of fun to put togrther and its quite entertaining.?. Or maybe Dave just has some secret magic and the parts just jump to his commands.?

Hiya Dave. Somehow I hear the godfather in the discussion. " I am no longer doing wheels", "Just when I thought I was out, they drag me back in". I still enjoy the video no matter what you are working on.

What fun for a city boy who's never used real tools. I felt so superior when I saw the runout on the lathe and actually knew that was the issue. I never get tired of watching you "scuff" the tires into place. Intuition says that they'd just pull right back over time, but obviously, they don't. I lost a bet with myself - I thought you have to wind up making new hubs. Those spokes looked to be in really great shape to me. I winced as you hammered directly at your crotch! ;o) Thanks for sharing this with us, I always wondered about this craft and it's very nice to learn the details.

It was just like the old days when it was always wheels is the shop. Nice to see again

I live in a Amish community...just love the craftsmanship in these wagons and skies. A true art. I enjoy your channel. At the end of the day you have to feel satisfied! Another great vid.

Well Mr Engel I never tire of the so-call "same old" it always intrigues me. It's good old fashion hard work with a lot of on the fly ingenuity thrown in. I love the common sense shown. Well done sir.

You are not only a great and skilled craftsmen but a real gentlemen and honored you word and fixed what turned out to be more than you thought the wheel needed. It really was pretty rough. You are a real gentlemen!

@EngelsCoachShop

3 жыл бұрын

The biggest challenge was probably in the decision process.

*Great work Dave!* I've never even owned anything with a wooden wheel that I can remember, although I grew up around a few of them, mostly pony carts and the like. Therefore, I've never worked on a wooden wheel and most likely never will, but I still have a difficult time not stopping to watch the entire process, every time it shows up on my feed. You are truly a craftsman that has spent many hours doing what you do and it shows.

You are also a fine video maker. Camera angles, editing, audio, lighting are superb.

@EngelsCoachShop

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you.

Thank you for telling us which side of the spoke the shim goes in the hub. The reason you gave explains that it's position is so important! Something most people wouldn't have considered. You're the best. ❤🌅🌵😷

As my great - great granny used to tell me when "things weren't going according to Hoyl" or plan ... "could always be worse ..." And as Great Grandad was fond of saying ... "Expect the worst. That way you'll never be dissapointed..." Good job salvaging what was there. 😷👍

They came in looking pretty scrappy. They went out looking fabulous. A perfectionist's eye is never satisfied but the customer's perception can still be 'perfect.' It is a challenge to accept the customer's perception.

Always looking forward to see the new upload each Friday

An absolute wizard at work there!! I though those hubs were junk, Dave, but you brought them around just fine. Many many years of experience cannot be beaten👍🏻👍🏻🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🇬🇧

Thanks for sharing the less-than-planned side of things, Mr. Dave!!!! Enjoyed that!!

You've become a really good videographer Dave. Lots more details are shown, without taking as much time as it used to. I also suspect that it is quite nice having this video record for clients. I've often wondered how many of my customers begin to understand what went into the pieces I make for them (I'm sure none of them do). Yours can certainly see and appreciate it. Laughed a lot at this one, as different problems came up. I actually enjoy the videos where you solve the problems like those encountered here. I think you did an great job on those tenon edges. Some folks might have poured in a gap filler, but that isn't as good as wood. Thanks as always

@EngelsCoachShop

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, when the owner of the 2 Seat buggy began watching, his comment was, "I had no idea."

Seeing you spin the handwheels on your tire stretcher reminds me of the mad scientist Doctor Frankenstein spinning dials and pulling levers on his crazy equipment--and I mean this in a *good* way! The world is a better place with you in it, Dave.

I like just looking around his shop, the semi-cluttered corners, the well used equipment, the old tools. It has such a welcome feeling about it. Unlike some other shops on those TV shows that look like a NASA clean room. They are an abomination to my eye. But, each to his own I suppose!

@janvisser2223

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly! This time I noticed that slightly wobbling motor shaft.

@sammyspaniel6054

3 жыл бұрын

My shop is the same. I've inherited tools from at least 3 or 4 generations. (Nothing of great value unfortunately). I take great pride using a wrench that my grandfather used in the early 1900s.

@chuckthebull

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah I agree...Dave Richard's has a cool old steam powered machine shop,, you should take a look at his channel too.

You remind me of one of those Italian master-craftsmen who's the only man left on earth who's mastered an old craft and keeps it alive. That makes me happy.

Now, that video serves as a great testimony of problem solving a complicated adaptive process. Truly, a great example of where experiential knowledge meets functionality and economy.

Watching you work wheels never gets old. The calls you make for different things that could be done, that have to be done and the person who you’re doing the job for and what they will be used for all come back to the name behind the work. You seem to always make it work. Thanks for sharing with us Dave, you have a great channel. 👍👍👏🏻👏🏻.

@EngelsCoachShop

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you.

Still amazed at the craftsmanship that is required. Amazed at the equipment required. Am lucky to see just what went into my grandpas carriage wheels. From the time I was in in elementary school until I was in high school my grandpa would come with his horse and carriage to pick up me, my cousins at school and bring us home. The best horse he had was Nell. She was gentle.

I know I'm late to the party on this one, but I'm just amazed at the amount of engineering that went into these wood wagon wheels! I had never thought about it, naturally, being brought up in the age of automobiles, but they were quite sophisticated! I think those hubs were pretty hinky on these wheels - that's a part I think I would have replaced if were doing this. But, you're the wheelwright, and quite the craftsman, and you made them functional again. Thank you for taking us along on this journey.

Nice to see the tyre wire equipment back in action. Not many tyres done recently, as evidenced by the lack of scuff marks on the floor. 😀

One upside to making these videos besides our entertainment is that the owner of those wheels sees how much work went into his "Quick Fix" - Thank you for entertaining me yet again.

I learn so much from every video. The devil is in the details. Please keep on doing it the way you are doing it!!!

12:17 I like it when you point to where I'm supposed to look as you are tightening that clamp. It makes your intention very clear. Thank you. ❤🌅🌵😷.

Well done. I takes a lot of experience to make that call. What is amazing is that there was no compromise on the final product.

Perhaps I’ve been watching too many of your videos, as I’m now trying to anticipate what you might do when you find a problem. For the loose spokes in the hub, I thought about using shims before you said it! Certainly was better than making new spokes, and helped make up a little of the time you don’t get paid for. I admire all you do!

Thanks again, Dave. Your videos are the highlight of my Friday evenings! I really appreciate seeing your policies and philosophy in practice - there are some great lessons to be learned here, and I think that explains one (more) reason why your videos are so welcome. Please be assured that you would be greatly missed if you were not "here".

@EngelsCoachShop

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you. I'm trying to share some of the realities of the business. It's not always in just the doing, but includes the why's behind the how's also.

As a fellow craftsman in multiple trades, I am completely mesmerized by your extreme talents in such esoteric specialties. My hat is truly off to you. I appreciate the general lack of music, so I can pick my guitar with what's left of my joints while I watch in amazement. Thank you.

Had to take the not perfect but it will do route today trimming a older horse with arthritic knees. Even with pain meds it’s a trial keeping her feet up long enough to make progress. Her sole leaves a lot to be desired but her toes are shorter and her heels are back where they belong and the foot is reasonably balanced. Thinking I may have to have my vet teach me how to do a carpal block to make things easier on both of us!

It reminds me working as an apprentice at the D.A. Hochstetlers in Topeka Indiana 1982. When all the Amish came into the wheel shop with very bad treated wheels, and we should fix what was left of the wheels to the absolute smallest cost. We had one advantage - we used an huge hydraulic ram from late 1800 when we put on the iron tire - and that helped a lot. Keep on doing your very excellent movies!

@EngelsCoachShop

3 жыл бұрын

The West hydraulic tire press? Great machine.

Another good job done on some pretty ropey wheels. Always love watching the tyres go on, particularly the "skid"part to close up the gap. Just amazes me how that works.

@dave_in_florida

3 жыл бұрын

he didn't even have to flip it over..

In the house renovation business we call those things "mightaswells"

Everybody who repairs something finds things that weren't right to begin with. I call those repairs "unscrewing the inscrutable." Thanks again, Dave, for letting us watch.

@EngelsCoachShop

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Bill.

I spent a good deal of time searching the Internet for another wainwright. There is one in the U.K., and none other in the USA. But saying there is but one Dave Engels is still an understatement.

Job well done !!! It's unreasonable to expect a perfect job repairing a wheel that didn't start life being perfect. Although the repair wasn't perfection...the workmanship was.

Yours is an art not a job, you are really good it is a pleasure to see you work

Always like how you save what us who dont know better,older wooden wheels,when you are done new and old look the same

Thanks again, Dave. Never tire of watching whatever you are doing.

A nice sympathetic restoration using all the original parts. Brilliant job, thanks Dave.

The could you just jobs are always a mare. The wheels vids are still mighty impressive every time Dave thanks again

Some nice photography that made the expected a little ‘unusual’ and another nice job. Thank you.

I noticed a foxy Young Lady slip by during the video.

Well done once again thank you, Dave This comes back to the video you did the other day when you said you need to know when good enough is good enough. From the model engine doctor from down under. If I ever have the opportunity to get over there one day i would like to spend some time with you and maybe even give you a hand..

@EngelsCoachShop

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly. Hope to meet you some day.

@WayneCook306

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you Dave.

.....very methodical and always a pleasure to watch..... different wheels is a different challenge regardless of the same basics is always interesting to see........ thank-you........... UK......

Even though you have done repairs like this many times, it still must be a rewarding "feeling" to bring these wheels back to life, and usefulness. Love your videos Dave!!

@EngelsCoachShop

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks. There is something about seeing them solid again.

The practiced ease with which you do this is a pleasure to behold. The wheels were junk when brought but they left many many times better and safer.. Thank you for the entertaining videos you so expertly produce!!!

Its great to sit back and watch the process you go thru to over come a challenge. "Touch of the Masters Hand"

Once again I'm impressed. I thought this would be a no fix or complete rebuild. Good job.

When you made those shims on the bandsaw and then worked them in...the fit was perfection!

Once again thanks for the video, until next week.

Think think think overcome the urge to make it all new and perfect looking at what cost and not the original wheels. Keep it original and it will work fantastic. Great to watch you strip and build a wheel again and see the tools working especially the home built specials. Love the efficient way the shims are glue in the hub and wedged into position still allowing repair to carry on. Heating the wire and allowing gravity to pull them level before brazing them together everything has a reason and done in the most efficient manner. And of course made to look easy by a skilled craftsman.

@EngelsCoachShop

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you.

Three things Mr. Engels. 1. You are going to come in and realize one day, that you wore a hole into the concrete banging those tires on the concrete floor so many times. 2.A lot of what I seen you do reminds me of what I have to do to my bike when I have a wheel go bad or break a spoke. 3. You reminded me of something my father use to say about a job that was less then idea. Which was it's good enough for Government work. My late dad by the way is prior Military and served in the motor pool. Now I do wonder some times, if it is not possible to get someone to make me an old pair of wooden wagon wheels for my bike, with all the spokes I break mind you my bike is actually an old Schwinn adult trike. But I think it would look odd to see an adult trike with wooden wagon wheels on the back two wheels. lol

@EngelsCoachShop

3 жыл бұрын

I've heard my father use the same phrase. Sometimes it would be, "for the girls I go with" also.

Hope the finger is okay. I've been watching for more then year now and that is the first time I've seen a bandage on you hands.

@EngelsCoachShop

3 жыл бұрын

Nothing major. Just failed to get out of the way of the hammer.

@michaelguerin56

3 жыл бұрын

I know that feeling.

I love to watch a craftsman at work

It's hard to be a perfectionist. Closing the gap in the tyre seems the toughest part, especially with heavy wheels. Thx for the vid. Great work as always!

I have noticed that with some folks the definition and value of quality changes quickly depending on if they are buying or selling. Fortunately Dave is not one of THOSE people. Another great project.

I would like to see a video with all your shop made jigs and tools

Hi once more from England Dave..joy to watch as usual. For me it’s the old grey matter drawing down from experience,(as we saw you doing there) the best,cost effective way to go about such a repair,or any type of repair to a budget for that matter! What I believe you arrive at is what is often called a bodged repair!? My thoughts are..it takes a bloody good bodger to be capable of such skilled work!, So I say bodge on when the Devil (and lack of funds),so demand! Stay safe all of you ...Please! X from the UK

Dave throwin' shade on the wheel builder... LOL.

Bet the new stove is more efficient, but I will miss the beauty of the old one. Thanks for another wonderful Friday evening of great craftsmanship sir.

@gordbaker896

3 жыл бұрын

Perhaps he is saving the old stove for Winter. So much Radiant heat from that Behemoth.

@EngelsCoachShop

3 жыл бұрын

It was a tough desicion but efficiency was the factor.

Tremendous video. Truly a gifted craftsman in your trade. Enjoyed the video and never get tired of you doing wheels

GREAT JOB TURNING CHICKEN SQUAT INTO CHICKEN SALAD, GREAT VIDEO, NOW LET'S GO TO WORK...

Nice save Dave. They look very nicely restored.

I love watching your work... "the time you don't get paid for", thinking time. I make bows (wooden archery bows) and I tell newbies they should spend at least as much time thinking as they do removing wood. I do a fair few repairs and it's always interesting to see other people's work and try to figure out how to do a tricky repair... those "just" jobs that take an awful lot of thought and time... :-)

I get the time not paid for, no one who owns a business is unfamiliar with time you dont get paid for. Thanks for sharing. Charles

A very enjoyable 24 minutes, as usual. I found myself thinking, how pleasant (for me) it would be to take a trip up north, pass thru Joliet and say hello.

Dave, even though I've seen you do this work before, I enjoy seeing it again. Keep up the great videos and don't be afraid to repeat stuff.

Fascinating and instructional. I learn every time I watch you.

You don't make it look easy because it isn't. You make it look challenging but you got it done.

...great joie to watch and see true craftmanship in every single move and plan - thank you kindly from ZA!

Dave, if you can't repair it nobody can. Another great video. I have watched all your videos and can see how your experience shows increasing ability to repair almost any wheel, wagon or cart.

@EngelsCoachShop

3 жыл бұрын

Well..... I'll give it a try anyway. Thanks.

That was a nice change of pace, I love your carriage construction and everything going into it but every once in awhile it's cool to see those little murphy's laws show up

This is the reality of repairing any thing, always more needed than originally thought. No can guess what will be found once things come apart.

@opendstudio7141

3 жыл бұрын

Plumbing... Always expect nothing less than a complete replacement, with leftover extra parts and triple the cost. Hehe!

@thomaslemay8817

3 жыл бұрын

@@opendstudio7141 I never layed more than 1900 ft. Of water pipe in one day, By my self.

@opendstudio7141

3 жыл бұрын

@@thomaslemay8817I myself, worked on a repair crew for a couple of years that serviced gas and oil refineries and production pipelines. Refineries are nothing but plumbing. 😉

How many of us have had those thoughts, should I start over from new or fix what there is. I don't build wheels but I've dealt with those thoughts on a few different occasions. You made that project look easy with the magic of film. Great job

I never get tier of watching you fixing weels....great enterteinment OCD man...lol

JUST LIKE PAPA USED TO SAY "YOUR NOT BUILDING A WATCH " NICE RECOVERY .. GOD BLESS YOU AND YOURS STAY SAFE

I am a bit of a perfectionist myself. When you started the not getting paid time (or actually when you edited in on going to give the lathe a try) i was thinking you’d rebuild new hubs at least for those ;) Cracked and all as they where. You did well in knowing your craftsmanship to go this route with the filler-pieces and getting there with the old material. Great job of good enough! This was cost-effective for the customer

@EngelsCoachShop

3 жыл бұрын

You're exactly right. It was all about the customer.

I knew every step of this process. Kept saying yep, you are going to do this next Bill. Why? Because Bill taught me on KZread. Thanks Bill for sharing, why I am a subscriber!

Never apologize for repairing or making wheels Dave, I can watch it all day long.

Nice save, Dave!. It's a pleasure to watch you work. Thank you.

I enjoyed watching you salvage and repair the cart wheels. Those same principles and techniques can be used on much more than wheels. Thanks again for taking the time to film and share your knowledge, and for proving that sometimes it really is possible to make chicken salad out of chicken crap.

@EngelsCoachShop

3 жыл бұрын

It transcends more than just wheels huh.

@barryduckworth5224

3 жыл бұрын

The light came on for me when you put the wedge in the spoke in the rim. I've used that same technique putting handles in hammers, axes, mattocks etc. It just never occurred to me that I could use that same method on basically any mortise and tenon joint to tighten up rickety chairs, wobbly tables, etc. Sometimes you can't see the forest for the trees. In my defense, I never claimed to be a wood worker. My old man was a pipe weldor and we never fit anything with the precision you do. We always wanted a little gap, generally about the thickness of the metal, so the weld would get full penetration. In later years when I started using a MIG gun it was even more important, cause it wouldn't dig like a stick rod did. Still picking up things from every video, thanks for the lessons.

While I have seen you rebuild these types of wheel a zillion times now (and am somewhat of an expert) it is fascinating to discover some new feature I hadn't appreciated before. I think I just saw you set the concavity for those wheels which I hadn't noticed previously. What appeals to me is the subtlety of the engineering in these tried and tested designs which have developed over many, many years. Looks so simple until you look a bit harder.

@EngelsCoachShop

3 жыл бұрын

Meaning setting the direction of the dish on the stand? If so, yes. Then the shrinking tire keeps it there.

Good job. Another satisfied customer and you fit into his budget.

VERY GOOD ...FROM SPAIN..OK👍

It's great to see you are able to get some more life out of them, lovely work!

for those of us that have that worn and somewhat "loose" wheel hub that really needs to be addressed this gives me a great basis to have a go at repairing it....once I've bought a replacement...it's always good to have a spare ;) Thanks again Dave, I always look forward to your videos, they are an excellent resource and I appreciate you sharing them with us

@EngelsCoachShop

3 жыл бұрын

Yes running wheels with loose tires adds more expense in the long run because of the spoke tenon damage that is happening.

Hi Dave: Friday has become a day that I really look forward too! You usually post a new video, and I look forward to the education. Really great content! I have been doing wood working for a very long time. In one of your recent videos, you suggested using a hoof rasp. Well, I took your advice, and bought a used one, in like new condition, from a vet! I must have 20-30 files, rasps, routers, etc.This hoof rasp works GREAT! I build a lot of outdoor furniture, and this rasp is just what I needed to round off corners.; not to aggressive, just right! Thanks Again! Gary

@user-ul7ff7cj3h

3 жыл бұрын

Good job! I see a long time. Thanks.

@EngelsCoachShop

3 жыл бұрын

I agree. I like the double side option.

Almost a silk purse out of the old sow's ear ! LOL

That's quite a job you did Dave. It's Such a pleasure to watch you work.

Always love your wheel build/repair videos. Keep up the good work and keeping such a unique trade alive!

I really liked your dial indicator on checking your spokes.

@EngelsCoachShop

3 жыл бұрын

Pretty hi-tech huh.

Congrats on the new wood stove! Thanks for taking the time to make these videos!

I still enjoy watching the process.. I weld and braise and still like to watch it done, as well as figuring out how to recondition a pair of wheels.. I'm doing my wire wheels on my classic 62 sunbeam and have disassembled several to make one good one from the best of a few.. I have all the spokes set aside and getting ready for paint and resemble...OK its not a wagon wheel but its got spokes! and its satisfying to make what was basically throw away back into good service..CHEERS!

@EngelsCoachShop

3 жыл бұрын

I get it and agree. Thanks.