Fixing Bad Percussion Writing

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  • @nafspark
    @nafspark2 жыл бұрын

    That timpani part looked like someone used software to try to transcribe an actual roll someone played but didn't quantize things correctly.

  • @welldangbroo7921
    @welldangbroo79212 жыл бұрын

    *Imagine actually reading that original timpani roll and hitting every note as written*

  • @ZachAndCheese
    @ZachAndCheese2 жыл бұрын

    MuseScore doesn’t like tieing percussion. I use “slurs” (S). You can then adjust what notes are “slurred” by double click the tie and doing CTRL + left or right to adjust as needed. Hope this helps for next time

  • @JohnathanWhitehorn

    @JohnathanWhitehorn

    2 жыл бұрын

    wym? musescore has no problem tieing perc, just use the tie button or I have the shortcut as the equal sign.

  • @Porrimgaming413

    @Porrimgaming413

    2 жыл бұрын

    You shouldn't use slurs, they're very insensitive

  • @ZachAndCheese

    @ZachAndCheese

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@JohnathanWhitehorn Example is when he tries using it. It mostly gets funky when you try and make one to show letting something ring but there's other stuff playing in the measure. Mostly when writing for drumset

  • @JohnathanWhitehorn

    @JohnathanWhitehorn

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@ZachAndCheese the use of different voices helps so much, especially for clarity and aesthetic. the ties work and the stem directions are separated. you don’t need more than 2 voices for anything

  • @christopherflores892

    @christopherflores892

    2 жыл бұрын

    i also use slurs. NI-

  • @gianbailey969
    @gianbailey9692 жыл бұрын

    Video 13 of commenting until EMC makes a front ensemble out of spocks

  • @lukeevans5676

    @lukeevans5676

    2 жыл бұрын

    spockpani

  • @mogmason6920

    @mogmason6920

    2 жыл бұрын

    Spocks and Flubs

  • @gamerbtw7469

    @gamerbtw7469

    2 жыл бұрын

    Keep going!!!

  • @bennettwilliams_

    @bennettwilliams_

    2 жыл бұрын

    Spockset

  • @bennettwilliams_

    @bennettwilliams_

    2 жыл бұрын

    Auxiliary Spock Rack

  • @the_doug_digital
    @the_doug_digital2 жыл бұрын

    The amount of people in the comments helping Eric out with suggestions is very nice and honestly really telling of his KZread community

  • @Deageke
    @Deageke2 жыл бұрын

    4:00 you can add a shortcut for sticking by going to Edit>Preferences>Shortcuts and finding it in the menu as "Add Sticking"

  • @Deageke

    @Deageke

    2 жыл бұрын

    Also at 10:20 you can use a slur there instead so it'll go to 2 different notes and still pretty much look the same

  • @ironmatic1

    @ironmatic1

    2 жыл бұрын

    You can also just use the dropdown once then use the right arrow key to go to the next note. Just don't make any mistakes or you have to use the dropdown again.

  • @senor_sensei

    @senor_sensei

    2 жыл бұрын

    CTRL-L to use Lyrics also works as well. I prefer to use that rather than the sticking tool.

  • @eboone

    @eboone

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@senor_sensei Lyrics go below dynamics whereas sticking goes above dynamics, closer to the notes and easier to read

  • @senor_sensei

    @senor_sensei

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@eboone Didn’t know that, interesting

  • @arnoldwardenaar127
    @arnoldwardenaar1272 жыл бұрын

    Hi Eric, 11:20 If you want to tie 2 different notes together with MuseScore, select the notes you want to tie and use the "S" key (this adds a slur). That should work! Good job by the way, I like the explanations you give, so I can improve my own writing.

  • @kaillimb1949

    @kaillimb1949

    2 жыл бұрын

    Ctrl + adds a tie 👍

  • @arnoldwardenaar127

    @arnoldwardenaar127

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@kaillimb1949 yep, but that's also the button he uses in the bar

  • @MongerOfStrings8222

    @MongerOfStrings8222

    10 ай бұрын

    You have to deselect note input otherwise it will just make the second note the same as the selected note

  • @philipmateo3816

    @philipmateo3816

    9 ай бұрын

    I just changed the command to be just “t” for tie

  • @seanmaccarthy-grant3604
    @seanmaccarthy-grant36042 жыл бұрын

    8:26 orchestral percussionists / timpanists will only play a roll if it's 3 bars on the tremolo. 2 bars means 16th notes. This notation is going to be super confusing

  • @powtheginge

    @powtheginge

    2 жыл бұрын

    I concur.

  • @WaterNai

    @WaterNai

    2 жыл бұрын

    I was thinking that the original notation gave it a bit of a pulse feel to fit with the vibe of the rest of the orchestration. However, I am not a percussionist/timpanist. I would love to hear your thoughts on that idea.

  • @seanmaccarthy-grant3604

    @seanmaccarthy-grant3604

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@WaterNai The problem is it just doesn’t say “roll.” Like that’s not how you write a roll, any timpanist who sees this will play 16th notes.

  • @arzini6580

    @arzini6580

    2 жыл бұрын

    that's oversimplified, usually two bars are 16ths, some composers use three bars for rolls, some want 32ths for it (especially Beethoven, for example ninth symphony, mov. 1). The best way to note rolls in an unambiguous way is with the trill line above. (And that's still not the full story.)

  • @seanmaccarthy-grant3604

    @seanmaccarthy-grant3604

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@arzini6580 Yeah this is true. Trill line is best. I would say though that composers only use the 3 lines for tremolo if they also separately have trill lines for rolls written out (as in Beethoven). As a timpanist if I see a part with only 3-bar-notes and no trill lines I will automatically assume that means rolls unless told differently.

  • @stryk55
    @stryk552 жыл бұрын

    Random percussion instructor/writer "Oh man, can't wait to see what trash he has to fix today!!!" (sees one of the parts he wrote for a group) "...damn..."

  • @inacinni
    @inacinni2 жыл бұрын

    Eric has an incredible beard, can we just acknowledge that?

  • @TylerDunphy
    @TylerDunphy2 жыл бұрын

    Hey Eric! You can actually use the “beams” tab right on the left to change the beams in any single measure instead of changing all of them. Hope this helps!

  • @marlonsierra1
    @marlonsierra1 Жыл бұрын

    There is nothing good to watch on KZread anymore, but EMCProductions is what really makes KZread great and makes me happy. So I just want to say thank you EMCProductions for making KZread fun for me

  • @tristanalderton1415
    @tristanalderton14152 жыл бұрын

    Some of my favorite videos of yours are these ones where you are writing or transcribing music. Interesting to see how your experience is reflected in your musicality and how sick your beats are

  • @kadencemarsh4517
    @kadencemarsh45172 жыл бұрын

    The timpani farting got me done😂

  • @roberthayden5865
    @roberthayden58652 жыл бұрын

    I have played that timpani part, and might i say, that is actually the most accurate rendition I've ever seen. 10/10

  • @seanhayden7776
    @seanhayden77762 жыл бұрын

    You can actually change the extra bassline to cymbals sounds! Never tried it for cymbals but if you bring up the inspector window (F8) there’s a drop down menu you can access to change the sound playback for that specific instrument. I’ve used it for changing voices in different wind and keyboard parts and it works well!

  • @udkline
    @udkline2 жыл бұрын

    Really nice job fixing that bass part in the last example. So much clearer!

  • @nickz4556
    @nickz45562 жыл бұрын

    You are now number 2 most subscribed emc KZread channel

  • @brickerupdike5908
    @brickerupdike59082 жыл бұрын

    A couple musescore tips: In the advanced (or custom) panel, you can use the Beam Properties tab to make custom 8th note (and smaller) beams for each measure. You can assign a new keyboard shortcut under Preferences

  • @dudders___1684
    @dudders___16842 жыл бұрын

    Good to see you are still keeping the beard, it’s a good look for you

  • @bailenwatson4027
    @bailenwatson40272 жыл бұрын

    I have been watching his channel for a while and for Christmas I got a new set of tenners

  • @Noah_the_Drummer
    @Noah_the_Drummer2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for teaching me how to write drum music.🙏

  • @Lhart
    @Lhart2 жыл бұрын

    My son made a tenor drum out of old paint cans because he loves your videos

  • @jacobharper4647
    @jacobharper46472 жыл бұрын

    7:57 felt so intense and 8 measures later I died🤣

  • @AfriNoma
    @AfriNoma2 жыл бұрын

    Nice, ive been waiting for this

  • @jacobh9344
    @jacobh93442 жыл бұрын

    He’s the #2 EMC channel!

  • @southwest3799
    @southwest37992 жыл бұрын

    This man is great

  • @trombonetimmy1064
    @trombonetimmy10642 жыл бұрын

    I LOVE THAT WALTZ

  • @JAM-rp6fi
    @JAM-rp6fi2 жыл бұрын

    I feel like some of the groove was lost from the bass drums in that last piece. To me, taking out the downbeats on the 2 and 4 took emphasis away from the upbeats, making it lose its momentum. Before the change it had a disco groove, but after, it had more of a slow rock groove.

  • @WhatAreDrums729
    @WhatAreDrums7292 жыл бұрын

    Torn about correcting "choo-choo" to single-flammed mills around 2:00 mark. Similar hand motion, but different accent placement. Because I agree with the change!

  • @HmmmmmLemmeThinkNo
    @HmmmmmLemmeThinkNo Жыл бұрын

    I love how percussion notation is super variable, whereas there is much more standardisation of other instruments (violins, violas, cellos, and clarinets are what i'm most familiar with)

  • @MongerOfStrings8222

    @MongerOfStrings8222

    10 ай бұрын

    It makes it almost impossible to write parts for Orchestra Pit where one person is playing like 20 instruments per song and they all have different techniques

  • @Mayhxmmmm
    @Mayhxmmmm2 жыл бұрын

    1:56 correction, those're flammed mills, not choo-choos choo-choos are a paradiddle with a flam on the third partial

  • @bby4505

    @bby4505

    2 жыл бұрын

    okay mister know it all

  • @TylerDunphy

    @TylerDunphy

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@bby4505 it’s important to know the rudiments correctly

  • @aylexmusic

    @aylexmusic

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@bby4505 ???

  • @bby4505

    @bby4505

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@TylerDunphy I was joking but it is

  • @moppr

    @moppr

    2 жыл бұрын

    thought i was the only one, lol. wasn't even paying attention to the screen but heard him talking about choo-choos and a second later heard mills and was very confused

  • @lildrumminggeiser4907
    @lildrumminggeiser49072 жыл бұрын

    I had an instructor that would use different types of accents as the dynamic(dumbest thing I’ve ever heard) so they would say nothing over a note 3 inches, a tenudo accident(the straight line) is 6 inches, a normal accent(the greater than symbol)is 9 inches, and a top hat accent was 12 inches. I don’t know how standard that is in the drumline world but from what I’ve seen it’s not so idk why people do it but they do

  • @marktegrotenhuis

    @marktegrotenhuis

    2 жыл бұрын

    I also know an instructor and composer who uses the > for "light" accents and ^ for "heavy" accents. To me that does make sense, but don't ask why. However it's the dynamics like pp, p, mp, mf, f and ff that determain how loud the accents actually are. For example a ^ accent in mf is similar to a regular note in f.

  • @christianstainazfischer

    @christianstainazfischer

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@marktegrotenhuis typically, everything is a tap, when there’s an accent you play the dynamic marking 🤷‍♂️

  • @JohnathanWhitehorn

    @JohnathanWhitehorn

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@christianstainazfischer sure that wotks but that can only get you so far musically.

  • @christianstainazfischer

    @christianstainazfischer

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@JohnathanWhitehorn ummm that's the standard? most groups do some kind of variation of that, and it's usually explained very clearly when it strays away from that for example you could have a passage where you want 6" taps and 9" accents you just write mf/mp as the dynamic marking, or maybe you want something to be more 'pulsed' than accented you could write a tututo - marking instead of an accent (or a stacato marking if you're paul rennnick), or maybe you have a forte section but you want one or two of the accents a little harder than forte you put this thing ^ , and other things like that but it's all based off the accents mean the dynamic marking and taps mean piano concept, super standard

  • @marktegrotenhuis

    @marktegrotenhuis

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@christianstainazfischer that's a different approach. I would actually refer to that as playing with ghost notes (kinda). It's a preference often used when the drumline is supporting the brass and you don't want the drums to be louder than the brass, but still have the accents clearly present. When you have drums playing on their own it's okay to just play the dynamics written and have the accents be (slightly) louder than that.

  • @williampletcher8091
    @williampletcher8091 Жыл бұрын

    Catching up on unwatched EMCproductions videos ... under THIS account! With Ads!!! Earning Eric the big bucks!!!

  • @cochese95
    @cochese952 жыл бұрын

    “Choo-choos” for us were always a paradiddle accented on the downbeat with a flam tap on the diddle played without an accent.

  • @M0jibake
    @M0jibake2 жыл бұрын

    7:57 actually sounded better than when you fixed it, as it sounded like there were accents on the timpani roll.

  • @somesnaredude
    @somesnaredudeАй бұрын

    love that shirt lol I want one in plain letters that just says " drums"

  • @scottlogsdon9092
    @scottlogsdon90922 жыл бұрын

    First one was definitely MUDDY and the rewrite had a sweet groove to it. Needs to have a bridge measure for the repeat of some drag sweeps and bass splits for four counts then back into the grove.

  • @HA11EYS_COM3T
    @HA11EYS_COM3T2 жыл бұрын

    I must say that crossovers on tenors look so cool.

  • @tylercarpenter6742
    @tylercarpenter67422 жыл бұрын

    I love when I see quad and bass parts that are basically the same.

  • @ignazachenbach5406
    @ignazachenbach54062 жыл бұрын

    10:16 you're supposed to _slur_ them together! Press S. This MuseScore tip has been courtesy of someone who's used it since 2013 since he can't afford Finale or Sibelius :)

  • @cold_pyr0167
    @cold_pyr01672 жыл бұрын

    All hail the glory beard on this man

  • @edbloom4897
    @edbloom48972 жыл бұрын

    Cool. You are making this old man dig deep to work on things. Do you have a score for the Kingsman Alum drumline Little Drummer Boy? I have been "challenged" to get it, learn it and play next year for the holidays.

  • @abnerwilhelm
    @abnerwilhelm2 жыл бұрын

    11:20 There is something in palettes that allows you to tie two different notes together. I can remember where it is off the top of my head but I know it is there

  • @venizz5112
    @venizz51122 жыл бұрын

    View > Master Palette > Beam Properties for changing stem directions individually. Also for quick stickings, CTRL + L adds sticking text box.

  • @RishiJalukar
    @RishiJalukar2 жыл бұрын

    Yo u passed Empire Motor Club to become the second most subscriber EMC channel

  • @initiatedcrown
    @initiatedcrown2 жыл бұрын

    Eric just downplayed his top 3 EMC placement like he wasn't only 100 subs away from 2nd. I see you buddy! we'll get you to #1 in no time!

  • @worm636
    @worm6362 жыл бұрын

    plz do a series on this :)

  • @Thor962
    @Thor9622 жыл бұрын

    Muse score master race! Also you can break up the beams on the master pallet

  • @sstupid__marimbaplayer
    @sstupid__marimbaplayer2 жыл бұрын

    He needs to help me with my marimba music 😂 the sticking is so weird. Gotta double on like everything

  • @bluewaveproductions4017
    @bluewaveproductions4017 Жыл бұрын

    You can change the keyboard shortcut for sticking in the Musescore preferences. Mine is Ctrl + S (or it might be alt + s) and that shortcut isn’t used anywhere else!

  • @MiraDaWulf
    @MiraDaWulf2 жыл бұрын

    The entire comment section is about musescore stuff, i love it

  • @jeffstump7601
    @jeffstump76012 жыл бұрын

    19:04 that's actually pretty groovy.

  • @PaulKEgellJohnsen
    @PaulKEgellJohnsenАй бұрын

    I remember that in Sibelius you could decide on staff properties per instrument and add midi commands to expression keywords to trigger changes in instrument play out. I learned a lot from it's examples and.default notation for timpani and percussion which was well integrated into its playout engine. It did do the crossed note heads for a lot of percussion instruments, but it is highly configurable. Rolls needed a trill or a tremolo line.

  • @PaulKEgellJohnsen

    @PaulKEgellJohnsen

    Ай бұрын

    Damn. Sibelius is subscription now... Better hold on to an Intel Mac and older versions...

  • @erinic0418
    @erinic04182 жыл бұрын

    Whenever you want to write a flam, you can just press /, you don't have to click the pallette option, just so you know and so it can go faster.

  • @friedpancakes266
    @friedpancakes266 Жыл бұрын

    My show music this year started out easy. Band camp started the week after we got the music and we were expected to have it playable by then. So our instructor wrote a fun part, but then watered it down to make it quick to memorize. It's been a month since we started, and we're adding the rudiments back in. Our director makes no sense, but he made it work this year

  • @brofessionalbro2312
    @brofessionalbro23122 жыл бұрын

    such a good vid

  • @jacobrizzuto1501
    @jacobrizzuto15012 жыл бұрын

    For the cymbal part, if you wanna use a tie for the notes. Instead of using an actual tie, use a slur marking. The shortcut for that is pressing S and then you can just drag the slur until it matches with the note. That’s what I do at least

  • @AngryMusicTheoryNerd
    @AngryMusicTheoryNerd Жыл бұрын

    In Musescore 3, there is a tab for beam properties in Advanced where you can change it how you want

  • @covertcharisma
    @covertcharisma2 жыл бұрын

    The beard is super unexpected but looks good!

  • @jacksorrell5513
    @jacksorrell55132 жыл бұрын

    In preferences you can make a keyboard shortcut for sticking

  • @scottlogsdon9092
    @scottlogsdon90922 жыл бұрын

    The original tympani roll sounds like a saw gun firing or one of the unmanned machine guns on a US Navy destroyer... Had to laugh

  • @eboone
    @eboone2 жыл бұрын

    10:16 If you put two sizzle notes, and make the second one staccato, it will create a sizz-suck sound. This also allows you to tie the notes but honestly I would just slur them

  • @JamesThatcher
    @JamesThatcher2 жыл бұрын

    , you're the second most subscribed EMC channel now

  • @RedDogMamaHD

    @RedDogMamaHD

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yes! Eric is increasing 1K every 4 days or so, Empire Motor club is 10 or more days to increase 1K. At that rate, he should really establish himself solidly as #2.

  • @Iplayquad
    @Iplayquad Жыл бұрын

    Hey Eric! You can actually get a lot more creative with beaming in MuseScore, it is very simple. Rather than using a layout like you did in the beginning you can just highlight the notes you wish to edit, use the beams tab in palletes, then customize your beaming. :D

  • @cubes1233
    @cubes1233 Жыл бұрын

    I got noties on

  • @simonbooth1581
    @simonbooth15812 жыл бұрын

    Yo, I got some cadences to learn fast but I watch these videos

  • @tebby24
    @tebby242 жыл бұрын

    3:08 I’ve never heard of marcato accents modifying zone placement. Generally it’s just a louder accent and frequently a downstroke but I could be wrong

  • @tylerquattlebaum2015
    @tylerquattlebaum20152 жыл бұрын

    @EMCproductions good morning. I went to a high school where a lot of the music lacked rudiments like some of the music corrected in the video )other than rolls and flams here and there). Is there a drum book (or something else) that you would recommend that slowly builds rudiments in to the music. Something between just none and what you changed in the videos?

  • @sehyunjun251
    @sehyunjun2512 жыл бұрын

    6:53 Nah, it's Finale fucking up when you try to write in the tuplets lol

  • @TheChannellock
    @TheChannellock2 жыл бұрын

    Idk if somebody said this but those definitely mills, choo-choos are flam on the third partial from what I’ve seen.

  • @eboone
    @eboone2 жыл бұрын

    4:01 You can make a keyboard shortcut for it using preferences (I think?) and I use Alt+S

  • @beaumartin366
    @beaumartin3662 жыл бұрын

    The whole comment section is gunna end up being Musecore tips. Very useful

  • @amj.composer
    @amj.composer2 жыл бұрын

    0:53, bruv you don't have to change the time signature settings. You can simple search "beaming" in pallettes and choose your desired beaming. Takes 1/10th the time!

  • @ArionTrizz
    @ArionTrizz2 жыл бұрын

    Dannggg, I sent one in and I didn't see it on here, I sent in a quad Tom piecee.

  • @warrenbraswell9785
    @warrenbraswell97852 жыл бұрын

    Thought choo-choos were paradiddle sticking with flams on the 3rd partial? Did those change?

  • @dontezsrobinson2859
    @dontezsrobinson28592 жыл бұрын

    I found a video of a band playing your intro

  • @bby4505
    @bby45052 жыл бұрын

    Im a beginner im in 6 grade and it is so cool to watch your videos because I will be able to know whats to come and I do not know anything that is writin

  • @RedDogMamaHD

    @RedDogMamaHD

    2 жыл бұрын

    It's great that you can learn from Eric's videos. I really enjoy seeing comments from beginning drummers. When you see a video that really helps you, create your own playlist so you can come back and review the ones you like the best and improve your technique. 😉

  • @bby4505

    @bby4505

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@RedDogMamaHD okay thank you😄

  • @natepettigrew8415
    @natepettigrew84152 жыл бұрын

    I love you Eric

  • @thebangersmarchingband5714
    @thebangersmarchingband5714 Жыл бұрын

    I saw your mapes wgi ad

  • @PuffyOne1898
    @PuffyOne18982 жыл бұрын

    That’s a beautiful beard, hippie. Also whoever decided offbeat triplets should be a thing should be ashamed of themselves.

  • @camilleon352
    @camilleon3522 жыл бұрын

    In MuseScore, press ‘S’ to add a slur to whatever note is selected

  • @timmy_4209
    @timmy_42092 жыл бұрын

    At 11:00 instead of tying, select both cymbal suck notes and hit “S” and it will put a slur

  • @darynporter1732
    @darynporter17322 жыл бұрын

    I got a tenor practice pad!!

  • @RedDogMamaHD
    @RedDogMamaHD2 жыл бұрын

    Video 13 of Loopy Grandma asking Lil' Peanut to play Wipe Out by the Ventures!!! ... I know you are very creative, so I expect something EPIC! (This is getting tiresome! Time to follow through, Eric! 😅😂🤣🤣

  • @BenjiMarin04
    @BenjiMarin042 жыл бұрын

    What are yalls thoughts on the mothership tenor pad? Im getting one.

  • @furiousduck8905
    @furiousduck89052 жыл бұрын

    I am a softmore in high school and I would like some help to get better at snare for our 2022 marching show and pointers I should know?

  • @brandonlincolnsnyder
    @brandonlincolnsnyder2 жыл бұрын

    you should collaborate with the other EMC channels

  • @Zsullivan27
    @Zsullivan272 жыл бұрын

    8:05 Ha ha timpani Go BRRRRRRRRRRR

  • @Popijoplis
    @Popijoplis2 жыл бұрын

    Marching timpani parts nice

  • @jiifigmentforever
    @jiifigmentforever Жыл бұрын

    Is it bad in the final cadence he rewrote I actually kinda miss the stick clicks on the bass drum part? In the before, they actually added something kinda nice.

  • @Thor962
    @Thor9622 жыл бұрын

    Make that tam tambourine

  • @lowheadvarney158
    @lowheadvarney1582 жыл бұрын

    8:05 timpani.exe has stopped working

  • @haydengregory6899
    @haydengregory68992 жыл бұрын

    Can you do I gear review of your drums and sticks

  • @gavin_bigred
    @gavin_bigred2 жыл бұрын

    First You're doing a great service for the world

  • @EMCproductions

    @EMCproductions

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thanks! and good job being first.

  • @RedDogMamaHD

    @RedDogMamaHD

    2 жыл бұрын

    Congrats on being first 😘!

  • @pitcrew1392
    @pitcrew13922 жыл бұрын

    Yes!

  • @shosho_hrubblefongers9311
    @shosho_hrubblefongers93112 жыл бұрын

    nice

  • @blazeplaysgames82
    @blazeplaysgames822 жыл бұрын

    Just imagine the first tenor parts sticking was only right hand

  • @therubberchicken5894
    @therubberchicken58942 жыл бұрын

    Video 17 of waiting for EMCproductions to eat a onion.

  • @zkyishot
    @zkyishot2 жыл бұрын

    me seeing percussion writing for the first: *funny words, magic man*

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