Fixing an Atari 65XE That Has LOST its Colour! Retrocomputer Repair!
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This poor little Atari 65XE has lost it's colour, so we investigate, find the problem and fix it!
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Mark’s got a bag of crystal. Terry and Dave will be seeing lots of colour shortly….
@MarkFixesStuff
10 ай бұрын
I’m the Walter White of Retro.
@richards7909
10 ай бұрын
@@MarkFixesStuff I’m not sure Terry and Dave could cope with you emerging in a pair of tightly whities…
@christostentes3199
8 ай бұрын
Some say he's the cat's meow. Others say he fixes stuff. Legend has it that his hair mutated into its own identity and is working in Stoke-on-Trent as a taxi driver. Women want him, men want to be him. We call him simply Mark.
Make that "its" instead of "it's" -- no apostrophe!
@MarkFixesStuff
10 ай бұрын
ARGH!!!!!!! You are right! Nice spot. A butcher's apostrophe!!!! I hate them. I'm blaming the iPad!
@MarkFixesStuff
10 ай бұрын
Thanks mate! Fixed on this and the Patron Ad Free version. I am so ashamed.
Another machine lives to fight another day. Great content as always Mark! 👍
@MarkFixesStuff
10 ай бұрын
Thanks mate!!!!
must be the fishy dead cap smell thats attracting the cats
"It has no colour, which makes games a sad affair..." ZX81:
The industrial design of the 65XE is gorgeous. ❤
@MarkFixesStuff
10 ай бұрын
Agreed 💯 %
That's a nicee and easy fix, wish they all were like that. I got an 800XL that had the wrong colours, had to rebuild that section piece by piece until I found the culprit - a resistor that was reading as open. It wasn't burned or damaged in any way, so I assume the previous owner believed their games were supposed to look like a pink and purple mess 😅
@MarkFixesStuff
10 ай бұрын
Reminds me of when I worked with @rmcretro on the CD32 FMV module, and some of the passives had died leaving ONLY the video with a pink tinge. That was fun to scope out!
I'd check if that thick pad under the crystal is ground and solder the thing to the board. Free floating crystals is a big no-no because they usually end up exactly like the one you replaced. At least put a double-sided pad between it and the board :)
@MarkFixesStuff
10 ай бұрын
Funny you should say that, because I have put a double sided sticky pad on the shopping list for when I finally get around to cleaning it up. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment. It’s really helpful!
@coyote_den
10 ай бұрын
The original crystal had a heat-shrink Atari label on it, so it wasn't soldered down. Probably why it cracked.
@MarkFixesStuff
10 ай бұрын
Entirely possible.
Im glad to know I'm not the only one scarred for life from that "Pokemon movie"
@MarkFixesStuff
10 ай бұрын
I wince at yellow things now…
I am happy to see that Terry and Dave made it out alive and well from that terrible fire. Onto years of saving Retro nick nacks !
Lovely stuff Mark!
@MarkFixesStuff
10 ай бұрын
Thanks Lee!
Sometimes a shallow screw is all you need to get the job done.
@MarkFixesStuff
10 ай бұрын
This was a quick job.
I just had to do a double take when I realised I have the same monitor/tv for retro stuff.
@MarkFixesStuff
10 ай бұрын
Ah, but does yours have a Beauty and the Beast DVD jammed in the drive?
@Eblackadder1982
9 ай бұрын
i'll be honest, i didn't even realise it had a dvd drive on the side of it... i will go and check! I doubt it though!@@MarkFixesStuff
I come for the repairs, but I stay for the double entendres.
@MarkFixesStuff
10 ай бұрын
I glad I touch you in some way.
@mickaka
10 ай бұрын
You always dive deep enough to satisfy.
You could basically just leave the board as is without removing. Removing the crystal is easy, than remove the old solder, next just cut the legs of the new one at the same length, bend them and just solder it in. The solder will go through the entire via. Saves a lot of time and hassle. I have been doing this technique for over a decade, works just fine.
@MarkFixesStuff
10 ай бұрын
Do you mean solder the new crystal to the legs of the old crystal after cutting it off?
@p_mouse8676
10 ай бұрын
@@MarkFixesStuff no. You add solder to the pads/vias of the old crystal. Pull the crystal in the meantime out. Remove the solder with a solder sucker or wig. Put in new crystal and solder the legs from that same side. The via will flow the solder all the way trough. This technique only doesn't work with single layer PCB's, since they don't use vias. The main reason why I prefer this method is not just only saving time. By not having to remove the whole PCB incl often many other things, there is less risk of breaking things. Especially when they are from plastic that can be brittle. I do the same with other components as well btw. (resistors, ceramics etc)
@keanebgONE
4 ай бұрын
That’s seems silly, how do you see how long the legs stick down, you need to clip them so they don’t short on the grounded rf shield.
@p_mouse8676
4 ай бұрын
@@keanebgONE you can guess pretty well how long the legs need to be. So there is absolutely no danger of shorting things.
Nice easy fix. Well done!
Great you found your 8. Whoever offered to send the missing key .. I need an 8. Please!
Great job, looking forward to the clean up :)
@MarkFixesStuff
10 ай бұрын
I’ll come back to it after a few other projects. I also want to try the SIO SD card thing out as well.
Awesome video! Nice fix. I have a 800xl that has screen going dull then ok again randomly. Maybe similar fault. Psu is outputting 5v and caps are changed and checked for bad solder joints. So this is very helpful! Thanks! Subscribed
i had one of these when i was a kid in the 90s i remember 2 of my favorite games henry's house and robot knights
@MarkFixesStuff
10 ай бұрын
I’ll have to seek those out. I’m always looking for recommendations!
good video mark
from what i know, later produced MT DRAMs (e.g. these ones with a datecode of 87) are far more reliable than the earlier ones c.a 83-85
Thanks for posting the tracklist ... Night Stalker is an awesome tune 🤩
@MarkFixesStuff
10 ай бұрын
A few people started asking me what the music was on my videos. I started listing them all but it was a pain in the harris, then I discovered I could make a public playlist on my Epidemic subscription.
No need to flick the crystal, when you go hosonic.
@MarkFixesStuff
10 ай бұрын
Gotta go fast!!
You could have left the board in and soldered it in and out from the top. It's a two sided board. Would have saved you a minute unless the legs were bent down on the bottom.
Max out the ram and replace the bs ram
@MarkFixesStuff
10 ай бұрын
That's the plan! Also going to try out the SD2SIO and fix the crystal down firmly.
I'd like to think Terry and Dave are proud to announce there were no leads knocking them over in this video. LOL. Just saying!
@MarkFixesStuff
10 ай бұрын
They are good GummyLads
Here's Flick The Crystal... Grrrrrreat!
@MarkFixesStuff
10 ай бұрын
Turtleneck engaged!
Nice repair, Mark the Cat Lady. LOL I have seen commodore 64s that came across my work bench where people had used too long of a screw. Ouch.
Good wee machines, those.
@MarkFixesStuff
10 ай бұрын
They really are. Nice cross compatibility too within the range.
@baxtardboy
10 ай бұрын
@@MarkFixesStuff Yeah my cousin - RIP - had one. He had an 800XL too. Good memories all round. This is the beauty of youtube and channel's like yours mate. Thank you.
@MarkFixesStuff
10 ай бұрын
@@baxtardboy no, thank you for watching 😊
I'm sure that variable resistor on the pcb alters the colour frequency.
@MarkFixesStuff
10 ай бұрын
I’ve not looked into it but I’ll have a butchers!
@firstsurname9893
10 ай бұрын
@@MarkFixesStuff It's definitely for color (sic) delay adjustment. If you look carefully you'll notice that there's a hole in the bottom of the case (next to the label) that continues through the shielding and the PCB to the underside of the pot. It's supposed to be used in conjunction with the Production Test Cartridge which, unlike the self-test, includes a video calibration test. If you're interested, grab the ROM from AtariAge and run it from the Uno.
@MarkFixesStuff
10 ай бұрын
@@firstsurname9893 super info! Thank you!
Really loved the shape of the later Atari machines, they did well to unify the range. My first experienced of it was with the 520STFM, loved that machine, apart from the under keyboard mouse and joystick ports (!...?). AMSTRAD rewired the ZX Spectrum 128K+2 joystick ports so no Atari type joystick would work (£££?). The plot didn't work, rewired joystick extension cables for a few £s solved it. Extender cables then went on to avoid wear and tear on the ST (& Amiga) ports. How do the joystick ports on these XE65 models usually look? Also screws, this 65XE had a fair few of them. Metal screws in plastic, eventually don't key if opened too many times. The ST and Amiga suffered these maladies.
9:39 Mark, is your power supply all original/stock? I would recommend replacing the caps in it, so your console gets nice and clean power. I would also put a date somewhere inside, so you will know (and one day your kids :) ) when you replaced them.
@MarkFixesStuff
10 ай бұрын
It is original unmodded and stock. The psu recap will be another video!
PAL (4.433 MHz) crystals are easy to get, much harder is to buy 14.187576 MHz ones...
@MarkFixesStuff
10 ай бұрын
Oh yes!!
I don't remember much about this video, but there was at least a kitten
@MarkFixesStuff
10 ай бұрын
And NO MISTAKES...
@plan7a
10 ай бұрын
@@MarkFixesStuff Or accidents involving Terry and Dave!
I clicked on a cat video, and stayed for the Atari content.
@MarkFixesStuff
10 ай бұрын
Quick!!! Look over there!!!! (Hides mistakes)
6:28 crystal not in right place over the white square on the board. OCD alert!
@MarkFixesStuff
10 ай бұрын
Haha! I’ll go straighten it when I do the cleaning! Ok?
@DbugII
10 ай бұрын
I was about to comment that, I searched first if someone else had commented. It's not only OCD though, if it's aligned on the white square, you know it's not going to touch the pads on the left side.
@MarkFixesStuff
10 ай бұрын
I'll defintiely tidy it up
You almost got off to a good start... and then at 50 seconds I have to take a break and breathe when I see you manhandling Phillips (or is it JISIS?) screws with a goddamn Pozidriv! 🙂 It's a good idea to glue or otherwise attach those crystals to the board, they don't like vibrations.
@MarkFixesStuff
10 ай бұрын
Yeah. I know. I wondered who would be triggered first haha!!! I’m revisiting the machine to clean up the board and tidy the install when I upgrade the RAM so don’t worry. I’ll use a tri-wing next time to get you to comment and give me that precious engagement that KZread loves. 😉
@TheDarkHour684
9 ай бұрын
Don't worry, Mark, some people are just on the...uh...ZX Spectrum, if you know what I mean@@MarkFixesStuff
Greetings, what model Weller desoldering station were you using? Sometimes solder wick is simply not enough.
@oldguy9051
10 ай бұрын
The desoldering station isn't made by Weller but either a Zhongdi ZD-8915 or a clone of it. Basically, you buy the variant that looks similar or identical and has a 90 watt handpiece. I have a slightly older one (ZD-8925) which has a nice LED temperature readout instead of an LCD but the same handpiece.
@ridiculous_gaming
10 ай бұрын
@@oldguy9051 thank you.
How did you know the crystal was at fault? Surely you had to do some troubleshooting beforehand.
@MarkFixesStuff
10 ай бұрын
Hi Geezer. This was a nice easy fix because the troubleshooting process I followed actually started with the Xtal. In the past I've had issues with Spectrums that have had missing or drifting colour and it's been down to the crystal being duff. Because they are actually quite fragile I check them first as a matter of course. The 4.433618 Mhz Xtal is the part of the circuit that encodes the colour into the composite signal and I was in the process of trying to check the frequency when I had the burst of colour just by touching the leads of the component. That was pretty much an indicator that the crystal was not in a good way and I have a bag of them for the PAL machines I repair. If the Xtal was OK I would have moved backwards through the colour part of the schematic until I found what wasn't working, but sometimes it's a quick fix and a short video like this one.
Another!
@MarkFixesStuff
10 ай бұрын
Another indeed! I’m back to regular programming now!
Ah yes, fond memories of Caverns of Mars and Miner2049er (never played the sequel though).
@MarkFixesStuff
10 ай бұрын
The scrolling on CoM is amazing. The sound is meaty too!
@stephenelliott7071
10 ай бұрын
@@MarkFixesStuff yes silky smooth, I still play COM from time to time. I've always loved the punchy explosive sounds of the Atari Pokey Chip.
Mark, would you consider doing a video of cleaning ps3 and ps4 remote controllers, to stop driftng?
Bad idea to use the unrepairable Atari power supply potted ingot.
@MarkFixesStuff
10 ай бұрын
I think I might make a modern one. I think you are right.
@Mrshoujo
10 ай бұрын
@@MarkFixesStuff When it goes bad, it definitively goes bad.
My 65XE shows Colour on my 1084S monitor through composite but my 800XL only shows in B&W. I know some 800XL's need a mod for the Chroma. Do you have a video for that?
@MarkFixesStuff
10 ай бұрын
I don't I'm afraid. I don't have an 800XL
Buttons at the front? Oh dear.
@MarkFixesStuff
10 ай бұрын
That's the way I like it and I don't care if I'm weird. I had to ask for them there specifically!
Great video Mark I've got a speccy 48k that often has green, or purple tint , sometimes it's white . Is the crystal likely to be the fault on that too, its had the simple av mod done rf was a green tint too
@andygozzo72
10 ай бұрын
is it an issue 2? there notorious for colour tint issues,
@MarkFixesStuff
10 ай бұрын
No! I was expecting a pot tweak, but no such luck. It drifted in and out of colour and yellow tinged B/W!
@willrobinson7599
10 ай бұрын
It's a version 6 . I did try turning the little screw on the rf module befire I did the av mod but couldn't get it to go white
@MarkFixesStuff
10 ай бұрын
Open it up and with the screen displyed, flick the crystal @@willrobinson7599
@willrobinson7599
10 ай бұрын
@@MarkFixesStuff thanks Mark. I'll give bit a bash
Crystals don't particularly like such long "legs".
@MarkFixesStuff
10 ай бұрын
Yeah. I might revisit the part and also fix it to the board. Thanks for the comment and for watching!
Is that solder and steel wool holder 3D printed?
@MarkFixesStuff
10 ай бұрын
The holder is. The brass wool cleaner is one of the standard things on Amazon and eBay.
@DavidKlasinc
10 ай бұрын
@@MarkFixesStuff yeah, I have one like that, just nowhere to put it. Perhaps I have to search for a decent holder on printables. :))
I have not seen it yet not seen the schematic but seeing the luma is there o assume the colour mixer, usually a single transistor is broken. Play the show!!! Edit: wow a crystal!!! I’ve never had one fail on me before. Nice find!
@MarkFixesStuff
10 ай бұрын
Good guess but more simple!
@CallousCoder
10 ай бұрын
@@MarkFixesStuffI just saw Mark! A crystal I would’ve never guessed that. I never had one fail on me. Nice find! And I love the pussies in your video 😂
@MarkFixesStuff
10 ай бұрын
@@CallousCoder thanks mate!! I’ve had xtals go in Spectrums so I’m always wary of them if the colour is off.
@CallousCoder
10 ай бұрын
@@MarkFixesStuff good to know! It would be one of the last things I’d measure otherwise 😁And for a single quid I will just swap it out if I’d ever have a black and white image before looking at the mixer 😆
@andygozzo72
10 ай бұрын
@@CallousCoder crystal do occasionally fail, but not a 'common' thing
Personally I think Terry and dave are getting a bit big for there boots, reckon it's about time they were took down a peg or two. Never owned or played on any atari, looks like an interesting computer. Nice fix .
@MarkFixesStuff
10 ай бұрын
I was just listening to This Week In Retro and you were mentioned!
@davidretrogamesplayedbadly3533
10 ай бұрын
@MarkFixesStuff yes mate, briefly. They covet my hitsquads, Mine mine mine mine 🤣
@plan7a
10 ай бұрын
They were nearly killed in the previous video (during an industrial accident) where a stray lead almost decapitated them! Just saying!
Flick the Cristal a psychodelic band
@MarkFixesStuff
10 ай бұрын
🎷🎺🎸🎹💊💊🕺😵💫
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Bet you wish all fixes where as easy as that.
@MarkFixesStuff
10 ай бұрын
I don’t usually record the simple ones. I thought this would be more complex. I’m now thinking that I should do the smaller fixes too.
Terry and Dave look delicious.
@MarkFixesStuff
10 ай бұрын
They are about five years old now so I'd hesitate to eat them...
@piconano
10 ай бұрын
@@MarkFixesStuff Do they have younger family members? lol.
What happened to your beautiful hair?
@MarkFixesStuff
10 ай бұрын
It was getting thinner than a politician’s excuses so I decided to go short again. I explained it in one of my VLOG videos but keep forgetting that they are patron exclusive.
@CorporalWobbly
10 ай бұрын
@@MarkFixesStuff I'm sorry to hear that. I grew my hair out during lock down to try to regain my looks from the early 90s. It didn't look so good 30 years later
@MarkFixesStuff
10 ай бұрын
Yes, the same. I looked in the mirror one day and say my old mother looking back at me! CHOP CHOP!
@gregjarvis1232
10 ай бұрын
He should update his picture to he looks nothing like that in his video's
@MarkFixesStuff
10 ай бұрын
@@gregjarvis1232 as soon as I get an opportunity
Mark Fixes Stuff... Please don't fix cats on youtube... (neutering cats in the states is called "fixing them")
@MarkFixesStuff
10 ай бұрын
We use the same term here haha! My cat knows where I sleep… 🐈⬛ soo I can’t say more…