Always excellent! 🙏

Her videos are absolutely amazing. One of the best you can find on internet addressing common problems in detail.

@MeikeBabelTennis

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for your kind words!

@ltrotter636

Жыл бұрын

Agree!

Thank you very much for doing that Love to see video about your current tennis racquet and strings and your racquet setup Pro tennis time Thank you

This is great. With your tips and drills I think I can finally fix my serve.

Great video--thanks

Simple and spot on👌👌👌

Fantastic video! The analogies and practice motions really helped me with my serve. 🎾🎾

@MeikeBabelTennis

Жыл бұрын

Glad it helped!

Great basic checkpoints identified. Agree with others below, one of the best online coaching channels.

@MeikeBabelTennis

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! I appreciate your support!

😂love your pun. Love your instruction too. I will try the drills on the court tonight.

Thank you for the video. Subscribed! I’m probably the typical 3.5. Fairly athletic but didn’t grow up played tennis. As a result, I have a lot of technical deficiencies especially on the serve. By now I’m used to a continental grip on the serve and recorded myself and my racket drop is pretty good. However as my racket drops my wrist extends and my racket is not on edge and thus no pronation most of the time. I will give this a go. Problem is I’m in a league and don’t want to be overthinking this during a match. I already do enough of that. Haha

Very useful drills

@MeikeBabelTennis

Жыл бұрын

Glad you think so!

I used to do this even though I had the right grip. When I watched my video, I realized it was the result of waiting too long to do a full back scratching. It was all about timing. I open the racket face as a compromise so that when I rotate the body the racket face is just facing foreward to hit the ball , and of course there's no scratching back.

@MeikeBabelTennis

Жыл бұрын

Good that you saw that and fixed it!

4.50 is very useful drill gonna try that later

*_Thanks for this wonderful video!_* 🎾 I had always wondered if you could recover from the Waiter's Tray and achieve a racquet drop (cocking position). The answer at 02:00 is that: (1) You will get somewhat of drop but it will be a limited drop. Not an optimal steep racquet drop. (2) You will not be able to approach on edge on the upward swing. And, if I understand correctly, the serve at 02:10 is not a normal correct serve but is demonstrating the Waiter's Tray technique and how the racquet is not quite on edge when approaching contact. Correct? 🤔

This is an amazing video Meike. Thank you. I'm still struggling with timing on the pronation though. I'm doing what you might call a delayed waiter's tray -- pronating too early after the racket drop. Have you done any videos on this?

@MeikeBabelTennis

Жыл бұрын

No, I haven't. Start with an abbreviated motion to get better feel is what I would try

@zacharylore3400

Ай бұрын

Have you made any progress? I have the exact same problem.

Great video! Is the correct swing path of a serve generated from left to right? And how can recreational players adjust to that from the behind and straight forward swing path?

@MeikeBabelTennis

Жыл бұрын

It depends on what serve you want to hit. On the kick it's going a bit more from left to right AND over the ball.

Most people if they let the racquet drop from the trophy position without extending their wrist will automatically keep the forearm up and drop it properly, because their shoulder won’t externally rotate further without loading the racquet with leg drive. My son however is very flexible and externally rotates his shoulder to drop the racquet such that the racquet is behind his shoulders, strings facing up, tip facing the far fence. That is the position he starts driving up from rather than racquet face toward the far fence and tip down. He does get edge on eventually, but with the butt of the racquet facing right of the ball, rather than left of the ball. Most elite servers will get to a point where they are still edge on and the butt of the racquet is facing left of the ball maximizing internal rotation into contact. We need to figure out how to get him to keep the forearm up as he begins to drop the racquet. Unfortunately, he doesn’t feel it happening so it is a difficult habit to break.

Yes, Waiter's Tray is extremely common with 3.0/3.5 players; the majority probably have it. Very difficult to fix particularly if you have years of muscle memory engrained. Getting into the Continental grip is a huge step towards fixing it (assuming you do not shift from Continental to forehand grip during the service motion; a common error. Once you get them into the proper serving grip, are the majority able to fix it? What has been your experience with your adult 3.5 players that have had this habit? I also notice that many will be able to shadow swing perfectly but revert right back to Waiter's Tray habit, *even with Continental grip* , when the ball toss is introduced.

@Rick-si2fj

Жыл бұрын

that´s exactly my problem and I cannot have it fixed for two years now😓

@MeikeBabelTennis

Жыл бұрын

You are right, I do have clients who change the grip back to frying pan mid-swing. I've found that if people really put the work in (I mean thousands and thousands of serves) and they keep working in progressions they get it. But sometimes people don;t have time, resources etc and then go back to waiter's tray because they just want to play.

@Better_Call_Raul

Жыл бұрын

@@MeikeBabelTennis "I do have clients who change the grip back to frying pan mid-swing." I also shift my grip mid-swing. I have recently been using this device called "Grip MD", that forces your hand to remain in the Continental grip. The device is helping. May want to check it out or even review it: 🤔 kzread.info/dash/bejne/aISkt5qEgqyoprw.html

@scissorsharp9032

Жыл бұрын

Never thought about that actually, will check my grip after the balls been hit. Waiter tray serve is so ugly to watch back 😂

Could you please go into more detail about that "drop" moment? The wrong way also has a wrist movement and a drop, and the right way has a different wrist movement and a drop. It seems to be a very key moment, and I am still not quite sure what you are getting at. I am talking only about that tiny moment when the wrist "hinges" in some direction or other ....

@MeikeBabelTennis

Жыл бұрын

I'll put it on my "to film" list

@chuckm1961

9 ай бұрын

@@MeikeBabelTennis OK, thanks. Otherwise, I"M going to do the part up to that drop correctly, and then immediately drop my wrist into the waiter's tray position, because I have been trying to "unlearn" that problem for 15 years!!

Like your shoes.

@MeikeBabelTennis

Жыл бұрын

They're Fitville Shoes, they're great. I just discovered them!

@MichaelSynk

Жыл бұрын

I’ve been wearing them for over a year.

This might be another good checkpoint?: 🤔 If you are leading on edge in the few inches just before contact, you do *NOT* have a Waiter's Tray. Note: If you are leading on edge in the instant just before contact it also means that you are holding the proper Continental grip as it is impossible to pronate into contact with a forehand grip.

@MeikeBabelTennis

Жыл бұрын

Yes!

My take is waiter trey ends up too powerful and one has to dial down the swing speed. Leading with edge makes it possible to hit slice which allows players to swing hard.

@MeikeBabelTennis

Жыл бұрын

Correct!

i dont agree that waiter's tray serve is happening because of grip. i was struggling with (waiter's tray) serve for a long time even if i was using continental grip-i was turning my wrist during swing while keeping the right grip. i see on recreational level that people are using continental grip (because they heard so many times to use it) and they still end up with waiter's tray serve. the whole problem is actually happening in LOGIC how serve actually work, or in other words, people dont understand TOPSPIN in serve. even with correct grip, if you want to serve "from behind to front" instead "from down to up" you will end with waiter's tray serve. i can tell that from my point of view because i started to play a year and a half ago , i've been watching hours and hours of videos from toss, positioning, swing path, shallow swing, body rotation, hip rotation, pronation, wrist function, literally any informations from dozens of online instructions and i still wasnt able to fix it before i fixed logic of what is actually happening during contact with the ball. there are millions of videos online but only few are actually explaining THE WHOLE POINT of serve - that you want to hit "from under" the ball just like on forehand topspin. if you concentrate on doing so, everything else just fits in place (even grip) because otherwise there is no other way to hit "from down to up" . at 2:07 there's a whole point missed about waiter's tray serve. you dont fix waiter's tray serve "by leading with edge" or with "correct racket drop" or by "saluting" because all of those are not happening because of incorrect grip - this is happening because of incorrect logic how to hit the ball or how trajectory of the ball should go during or after the contact. i understand that proffesional players like yourself have probably learnt that with 4/5/6 years of age because you had a decent coaches who just integrated right movement into your muscle memory, but for us who started playing tennis much later without proper private instructions (that's why most of us are here, i doubt that any ATP or WTA players are on this channel in need to watch these videos), those are just byproducts of right understanding what should we do with the ball on serve. i hope this comment will help at least someone who was struggling with serve like myself for months because detecting and solving problem "in root" is the only way to understand everything else what is happening in this video. So, to summarise and to write a conclusion from a prospective of a "player/person" who was struggling with waiter's tray for almost a year, that is NOT HAPPENING because of a wrong grip, wrong body positioning , shallow swing, not "saluting motion" or non-existent pronation, those are just byproducts. it's happening because of wrong logic how ball need to be hitted - from behind to front instead from down to up.

01:15 *Waiter's Tray leaves a whole lot of power on the table* . 😆🤡😄

@MeikeBabelTennis

Жыл бұрын

Haha, thanks for getting it :-)

Videos like these are a scam! There are certain biomechancial movements that cannot be done. You can practice not doing the waiters tray all you want. You’ll still do it at full speed. It’s not different than the straight arm vs bent arm forehand and the finish on the kick serve.

@MeikeBabelTennis

Жыл бұрын

If you have the wrong technique you do it wrong at full speed

My question is how to determine the correct height of your toss?

@MeikeBabelTennis

Жыл бұрын

Rule of thumb: about 2 feet higher than what you measure with full extension.