The guys who oversaw the convictions should go to prison. What they did was beyond horrible.

@jayjay-71

5 ай бұрын

I agree 100%... but unfortunately.. money talks.. there will be no prosecutions, just like there won't be over politicians giving there mates contracts for ppe during covid... the system is corrupt.. and there is nothing we can do about it.. 😢

@Mikados_Advark12

5 ай бұрын

Don’t you mean - they should be charged and have trials ? Just go to jail means we are Putin Russia

@bettytigers

5 ай бұрын

​​@@Mikados_Advark12Putin wouldn't have treated the postmasters and mistresses much worse as far as justice is concerned. Execution is the most extreme, but their's no pretense of doing an honourable/good job in convicting innocent people. Honest people know you're cowardly thugs!

@eddieharris6004

5 ай бұрын

But if the authorities were genuinely decieved/ misled by the evidence then is it not simply a tragic error? Of course there are also the investigators/prosecutors who hide behind a screen of anonymity and the law...."just following guidlines", "why jeopardise my pension/promotion?" There is currently a yawning mismatch in the exercise of British justice between the well connected and the common folk that requires root and branch reform.

@justin-tyme

5 ай бұрын

​@@Mikados_Advark12let's not waste anymore time

Why is no one mentioning Adam Crozier former ceo of Royal Mail and post office from 2003 - 2010 when a lot of these prosecution were taking place he needs to be investigated now

@lw1zfog

5 ай бұрын

freemasonry

@richardbrookman6415

5 ай бұрын

Not freemasonry. The fact that he is now CEO of the company making the documentary might have something to do with it.

@belindastephens8907

5 ай бұрын

That's exactly what I was going to say, friends in high places as usual

@grumpyoldgit8254

5 ай бұрын

Nothing sticks to Teflon Crozier

@user-cp8xi3ej2m

5 ай бұрын

Yes, we're Alan Crozier he was responsible too. You are spot on Colin

The entire appalling saga makes my blood boil. Over 700 innocent men and women were hung out to dry by PO executives who lied through their teeth throughout. They have blood on their hands and destroyed livelihoods as well. All power to the group of 700+ people who are fighting for the justice denied them for so long. They deserve to receive back every penny they lost, plus compensation for every year they endured in being branded guilty. Parliament must deal with this now as a matter of urgency.

@OutRAjious

5 ай бұрын

And Banked huge BONUSES!!!! this was the Blair managerial class

@stevenhockney5968

5 ай бұрын

Many more had to make up the "shortfalls" out of their own money who have kept their heads down. As the Post Office new of the soft ware inaccuracies that would amount to obtaining money by a lie or cheat which is Deception under the theft act 1967.

@alanfrost4661

5 ай бұрын

How many in Parliament where complisit with this maybe thats why it has took so long ?

@royburrakaxmeoff

5 ай бұрын

Well said 👍

@karlmylnere5712

4 ай бұрын

​@@alanfrost4661 very good point , I think this whole scenario goes far deeper than is currently known , that fact alone will ultimately cause the entire enquiry and subsequent police investigation to hit the buffers and come to a dead end.

This must be one of the most serious corporate crimes ever committed in UK. Let’s hope the culpable individuals aren’t allowed to escape their responsibilities by hiding behind the “corporate veil”, while taking their massive pensions etc.

@lw1zfog

5 ай бұрын

Centuries old freemasonic City of London Crown Corporation is ‘the corporation’

@richardbrookman6415

5 ай бұрын

They will be moved on to other positions, or given early retirement ‘on health grounds’, then ‘lessons will be learned’, ‘structures have been put in place to make sure this can’t happen again’, and it will all blow over. Move along, nothing to see. Unless we make sure it doesn’t, of course.

@pabrennan6877

5 ай бұрын

Need to tried & then (& if found guilty - highly guaranteed) need to be stripped of their pensions, bonus payments and jailed.

@amandamcauley

5 ай бұрын

I predict that the relevant people concerned will all develop "Mental health conditions" so can't be questioned. It's worked for others.

@lw1zfog

5 ай бұрын

@@amandamcauley it worked for Greville Jenner

They need to pay back EVERY PENNY that they stole from sub postmasters, including payments to next closest living relative of any who have sadly passed away. This was massive fraud.

@Steve14ps

5 ай бұрын

Post Office management must be charged with perjury, perverting the course of justice, presenting a court of law with false evidence, demanding money with menaces, bringing the Post Office into disrepute, theft, false accounting, failing to properly investigate a complaint made by an employee, not following correct procedures in investigating a cash discrepancy.

@acmdv

5 ай бұрын

Plus interest.

@mludsladiesgentlemen1774

5 ай бұрын

@@acmdv at 8% compounded.

@ce5890

5 ай бұрын

taking inflation into account

@HughONeill

5 ай бұрын

but they cannot give back the lost years!

The people responsible must face the consequences of their actions to make sure this never happens again

@zie9171

5 ай бұрын

This kind of thing is happening though.

@johnday6392

5 ай бұрын

If you believe that, then iv'e got an application form to join the Flat Earth Society you might be interested in!

@samspade975

5 ай бұрын

It’s actually not complex to Most decent thinking people, the post office asks is the system faulty , Fujitsu says yes it is ,and then the post office acts accordingly, but this is England, there’s money to be made by lawyers ,

@samspade975

5 ай бұрын

lol, and the Likelihood of that happening is zero to none

@noooname2568

5 ай бұрын

@@johnday6392if you’re in it and handing out applications then, nah you’re alright John.

Telling someone that they must repay missing money and that they are the only ones having a problem with the computer system when you know there are others and you know there are IT issues is the very definition of fraud and obtaining money by deception

@Rgy466

5 ай бұрын

Not to mention perverting the course of justice

@chuck1804

5 ай бұрын

Also extortion.

@colinireson9339

5 ай бұрын

Not to mention demanding money with menaces.

Such injustice makes my blood boil. And no one ever gets done. The establishment protecting their own. When are the British public going to get it that our politicians aren't here for us. We are not their primary concern.

@johnfoster3286

5 ай бұрын

Dont vote Lab,Tory or Libdem, they only look after themselves at the expense of the voters. REFORM party for me

@inabsentia439

5 ай бұрын

you have only just realised this?

@indianairlines

5 ай бұрын

@@inabsentia439 Nope. Known this for a few decades. The scales fell from my naive eyes when Blair prosecuted that illegal war in Iraq to help the Americans get their hands on Iraqi oil.

@inabsentia439

5 ай бұрын

@@indianairlines I agree 100% I moved to a smaller country, much better transparency and accountability. the uk's class system must go.

@kevinsyd2012

5 ай бұрын

@indianairlines What's all this scandal to do with politicians?

Vennels was CEO she knew what was going on sat & watched lives destroyed. The person with the reins of the Post Office must pay but she walked away. Prison is what the public wish to see.

@johncodling9805

3 ай бұрын

And also a removal of the bonus payments made to her whilst Rome was burning, and lifetime indexed linked pension.

@pw847

Ай бұрын

Vennells is a priest . More akin to a devil's daughter . Evil

What's shocking me about this is the police and politicians all of a sudden springing into action as a result of the success of a TV series. It should not take public ire as a result of this kind of exposure for police and politicians to wake up and do the job they should have been doing all along. It's not unwelcome that the programme has kicked started this official response, but where were they before?

@martinholt3729

5 ай бұрын

Andrew Bridgen was highly vocal and visible on this. Surprised not to see any recognition of his unwavering support

@mludsladiesgentlemen1774

5 ай бұрын

Welcome to the British way.

@priscillaroberts7945

5 ай бұрын

The private eye magazine were on rhe case at least 10 years ago. If you want to know what's going on i suggest you subscribe and don't waste time with the fascist owned msm and tv news.

@youtubesucks8995

5 ай бұрын

Where were they before? Probably busy doing their own fraud!

@grahambuckerfield4640

5 ай бұрын

Panorama in 2015, Private Eye since the start of this, Nick Wallis an investigative journalist to name some. What’s missing? Reality TV, Oligarch run ‘Football’, soap operas, tabloid newspapers with all their spurious ‘campaigns’ and other staples that like it or not, much of the public are interested in. Small wonder it really took a drama with high profile actors.

Disgusting abuse of power. They knew they'd made big errors but wouldn't admit it. Preferring to let these innocent decent people face life changing disgrace. Surely those responsible should also be jailed?

@royburrakaxmeoff

5 ай бұрын

They definitely should be jailed

I have never been so angry watching that programme. It was pure evil what they did to those people.

@andysPARK

5 ай бұрын

Agreed. Ruined good peoples reputations and lives beyond repair. It's a crying shame, it really is.

@malcolmmitchell6529

5 ай бұрын

Is this how people learn what's happening? Abloody tv programme?.

@nannieg7622

5 ай бұрын

@@malcolmmitchell6529YES….otherwise we would all have been quite naive about the truth

@fuzzilu

4 ай бұрын

The media kept it really quiet. Unless you read Private Eye or Computer Weekly you wouldn't have known. I saw it in Private Eye and followed it. As I worked for the P .O and was interested.

Work for a few months as a helpdesk worker at fujitsu ( not the post office ) , A girl I worked with told me never to go on the post office desk, as it was a complete nightmare. They knew this was early 2003.

Very strange that the Met police have only started investigating following the airing of the ITV program. Some people should go to prison for this shameful episode - and I don't mean Sub Post Masters!

@johnbowles679

5 ай бұрын

My thoughts exactly

@adenwellsmith6908

5 ай бұрын

Sums up the Met

@peternewman3487

5 ай бұрын

That’s my thoughts.

@Jo-yp8wy

5 ай бұрын

Funny, isn't it. Not.

@bobgorman9481

5 ай бұрын

Just what I was thinking, and also, where did/ has the 100s of thousands of pound gone that the postmasters were tricked into paying back?

I’m betting nobody will face any accountability for this fiasco. Corruption and fraud are now the norm on Turd Island.

I would like to know who told the helpdesk to say no one else has this problem, this implies that they knew others had this problem

Vennels needs to spend time in prison for her part in a criminal conspiracy. All her assets should be distributed to the victims. As to Fujitsu, the government can cancel all contracts with them on the basis that there is a substantive case that two employees representing Fujitsu committed perjury at the direction of company thus the company is in a criminal conspiracy. You will find in all government contracts that false representation regardless is a serious breach and give government the right to cancel all contracts. Likewise with fraud. This would make Fujitsu’s position in the UK untenable.

@AnnHollowell-fk1yh

5 ай бұрын

Can't believe she became a vicar. Breathtaking hypocrisy!!.

@jonm7272

5 ай бұрын

​@@AnnHollowell-fk1yh​were you under the delusion that people in positions of religious power are decent human beings? Welcome to reality!

@jimmymcguire8217

5 ай бұрын

Pure evil

@Perfidion

2 ай бұрын

@@AnnHollowell-fk1yh Depends on your perspective. Sometimes breathtaking hypocrisy is a prerequisite for the role of clergy-person. I do wonder how she reconciles her faith with her appalling actions as CEO though. I mean, you'd expect people like Angela Van Den Bogerd to be brazen corporate sociopaths, but an aspiring Anglican priest? Not so much. Van Den Bogerd should be nailed to the wall too, incidentally. Awful woman.

Don't forget Adam Crozier, former CEO of Royal Mail, who was conveniently not mentioned in the ITV drama. He just so happens to be chief executive of ITV. Funny, that.

@chrisfell5073

5 ай бұрын

Nice if you can your nose in the trough. What a merry go round.

My full sympathy to all subpostmasters , they should all be fully compensated immediatly

Adam Crozier BT CEO needs questioning. This is so big it cannot be ignored it’s absolutely devastating for British justice and the gvmt as well as all institutions

Absolutely appalling what these lovely people went through, Vennalls needs to give her gong back and go to jail along with all the others that lied including the lawyers from the post office and one more thing, pay every penny back and compensate everyone and families of the poor people that have passed away. I'm FURIOUS.

@mludsladiesgentlemen1774

5 ай бұрын

Paula Vennells is a Servant of the Lord. She used to preach the Lords word. I wonder if she sees a reflection when she looks in the mirror?

@lsmith992

5 ай бұрын

She needs to pay back all those millions in bonuses too.

THREE NAMES: Adam Cozier Paula Vennells AND Ed Davey.

@AnnHollowell-fk1yh

5 ай бұрын

Prison awaits them I hope.

@mludsladiesgentlemen1774

5 ай бұрын

@@AnnHollowell-fk1yh Add to that every government minister in charge of the Post Office between 1999 and 2019.

@shellycollins4113

4 ай бұрын

Stephen Bradshaw Elaine Cottam For starters

@paulrichards6894

3 ай бұрын

mandy talbot

@paulrichards6894

3 ай бұрын

jarnail singh rod ishmay john scott david possnet

Long prison sentences for those who destroyed people's lives.

CEO should receive a lengthy prison sentence - twenty plus years.

3,500 subpostmasters. All told they were the only ones

I hope the police go after all those accountable and responsible for this horrible injustice.Who knew what and when is the salient issue in this whole scandal.The fact in the documentary that individual postmasters and postmistresses were told on the horizon help line that they were the only ones experiencing problems and difficulties,which was a lie from the beginning,should be a good starting point.

It's started in 1999. This is disgusting.

@mikejackson459

16 күн бұрын

No it did not. It's been going on since the 60s at least. Horizon was just the catalyst for this culture led disaster.

When Horizon was initially released I was clearing Post Offices as an employee of Royal Mail. One of these offices was run by a chap who could run the paper work in a paper mill. Within days of installation he realised things weren’t quite right but, like I said this chap was a filing cabinet and every touch of that keyboard was backed up with paper even though the idea was less paperwork more efficiency. Although he raised concerns and thank the lord his computer behaved he realised where this was going and sold his shop and P.O. It’s now a house. This happened at the start of the convictions. Oh yes heads should roll in management.

@simonpassmore

5 ай бұрын

Hope the person who bought the PO from him was okay

I wonder how many ministers had their palms greased signing off Horizon 🤔🤔

@lsmith992

5 ай бұрын

Ah well. Sunaks wife's family business is deeply involved with Fujitsu so no corruption there then?

Vennells Davey Crozier. Who has been rewarded from all this - The Lawyers !

Not surprised the Met is investigatiing. From 2015 the most of their work as been done for them.

Started with Royal Mail CEO John Roberts in 1999, then Adam Crozier 2003 - 2010, and Paula Vennells 2010 - 2017 - how come the first 2 are not mentioned ? Part of the problem is the number of changes in senior personnel from 1999 to today, that were incompetent, malicious, obstructive, covered up or were misled - watch none of them will suffer.

@Nick-xf5hr

4 ай бұрын

They should all be in prison, no more pension and fined. Simple.

Fujitsu and post office management must have committed perjury to convict these innocent people. They must be prosecuted or the law can no longer be trusted at all.

@digitig

5 ай бұрын

Did Fujitsu *management* ever testify in any of the cases? I thought they only sent quite junior people who might not have known what was going on and who stated the company position in good faith.

The bosses of the Post Office should go and meet each person who was accused and apologise outside the Post Office in front of the community and admit wrong doing. The press should cover this awful miscarriage of justice.

@john8451

5 ай бұрын

Not easy in the case of those who have died! 😡

@gemmapeter7173

5 ай бұрын

@@john8451 I'm sure there are people who would be willing to send the top brass to meet them.

@simonjohn9525

5 ай бұрын

I'd like to see them lose all their wealth and have to live only of state benefits in public housing for the rest of their lives.

The post office auditors need to be investigated too

Since people from Futijsu could get into Postmasters' computers, I wonder if any of them were taking money.

Given Ed Davey is now on record as saying the Post Office lied to him about Horizon, may I suggest the Police caution him then ask one question. Who at the Post Office told him that the sub postmasters were stealing and committing fraud by stating Horizon was not to blame?

The Hypocrisy, this woman is playing holier than though as a priest (or whatever they are called), and then does all this.

His final sentence about government paying compensation with taxpayers money, they should be clawing this back from the directors purse through the proceeds of crime act! Also Sue Fujitsu for some of the costs the system was not fit for purpose! If this was my company I would have asked for a refund on that system and stopped using it as soon as it as apparent that it wasn’t working properly. Also if they can’t prosecute the directors then our justice system is broken and needs reform asap! There’s no way they should get away with this.

@OutRAjious

5 ай бұрын

in special cases corporate protection of individual assets must be waived hurt their pockets at the Least!!!

I'd put lawyers at the very top of the list. Their compliance in the phony prosecutions was pivotal.

Excellent interview. Now, every one of these perpetrators must be prosecuted, otherwise, our justice system is meaningless!

What a terrible travesty of justice!!! Big brother PO compartmentalized everything so each PO master thought this WAS ONLY HAPPENING TO THEM. Then add to that the stigma within their community and you have a hermetically sealed group of victims!!! Kudos to the TV program for breathing life back into this horrific travesty of justice!!!

@TesterAnimal1

5 ай бұрын

It was Private Eye and Ian Hislop who wouldn’t let this drop.

Can Paula CBE evil woman, not be charged with corporate manslaughter, due to the employees who committed suicide under her watch?

@jablot5054

5 ай бұрын

Yes she could,but won't.

@sarangistudent8614

5 ай бұрын

I think the CBE stands for Corrupt Brexit Enabler

How can anyone keep quiet and let people go to jail when they know they are innocent ? It is inhuman.

@Perfidion

2 ай бұрын

There's this weird thing that happens to individual people when they're part of a massive faceless monolith like Post Office Limited (or Monsanto, or DuPont, or Shell.) If your employer is engaged in unethical behaviour as a matter of policy, because everyone around you is also complicit, then it suddenly starts to seem less unethical. Like the guilt is sort of diluted, and it all becomes completely normal because you're serving the needs of the organisation, irrespective of the atrocious consequences to ordinary people or the environment. Also, it's harder to hold anyone accountable because everyone knows and goes about their day, nodding and smiling, while committing dreadful acts. It's like a kind of collective abdication of your basic humanity, and the deliberate tossing away of your moral compass. And if you do stand up and protest, you're frequently ostracised, victimised, and faced with career suicide. Many people don't have either the strength of character or the intestinal fortitude to go toe to toe with a juggernaut like POL. There are outright villains here, obviously. But I suspect there are also a lot of dazed bystanders who probably had an inkling of what was transpiring and didn't know what to do about it. (None of which makes it okay, obviously.)

@johnenglish929

2 ай бұрын

@@Perfidion I am sure there is a lot of truth in that, but I would like to think - and I do think it is true - that had I been in the position of Vennels and other senior execs INCLUDING CHAIRMEN !, then at the very least I would have put prosecutions on hold when I knew that the likelihood was that innocent people had been jailed. I think that most people - including people in other corporates - would have done so too. The fact that Vennels was in the running to be a Bishop - with Welby’s support - makes her behaviour even more despicable.

An awful lot of post office staff from the investigators, lawyers to middle and senior management must have know that the horizon system was throwing up wrong assessments. They did nothing. Far worse they used this incorrect information to ruin peoples lives. They should be brought to book and held to account for their actions. They built a fortress around their organisation and have now been found out.

Watching the program was mind-blowing. I can't believe no one has been prosecuted yet.

@jablot5054

5 ай бұрын

They have, just the wrong ones.

@JoelJoel321

5 ай бұрын

I you can't believe that you don't understand the British establishment.

Take their pensions, bonuses and jail them! Nothing can make up for what they did

The scary part of this is...if this tv show had not highlighted this debacle in all its disgust is...would the police now be investigating and would the government being so interested?

I worked at Royal mail for 34 years . I put in for a transfer to another office closer to home . I gave up with my transfer request after i was told because i was a on the trade union i was a trouble maker which i was not and the boss at the sorting office didnt want a trade unionists at his office. This is how this company works so it was no surprise to see this happening to my fellow colleagues i just hope these poor people get justice. This company and its management are rotten to the core

All those convicted should now have a full pardon from the UK Government nothing short of this is acceptable

@JoelJoel321

5 ай бұрын

Pardon implies guilt. They need full exoneration.

Get ‘em all… please. The connivance and the hypocrisy is truly breathtaking. These people were financially incentivized to ruin decent peoples’ lives. Deliberately & cynically

There have to be 10s and 10s of people, at least 50 or more, who ought to be facing serious criminal investigation as a consequence Post Office's conduct. I do hope we don't get just a few scapegoats strung up. That would only make matters worse.

What I didn't realise, was that the Post Office could bypass all the "checks and balances" in the legal process! NOT ONE of those cases would have proceeded had the CPS been involved; (All cases are reviewed by the Criminal Prosecution Service, to ensure the case is valid, the evidence is robust, and that there is no risk of a miscarriage of justice). It appears that the post office had the power of a legalised "lynch mob" parallel to but not constrained by the british legal system. I don't know if this absurd legal anomaly was removed when the PO was sold, but it surely should never have existed in the first place.

@WendyIvers

5 ай бұрын

The same but opposite is true when it comes to the conduct if those employed by the state. You have to get through up to five layers of complaints and have the organisation acknowledge criminal conduct and refer the natter to the police before the police will take statements against the likes of doctors and others contracted to the state

@simonjohn9525

5 ай бұрын

The Post Office investigation department should be shut down and the PO's right to mount prosecutions given to the CPS.

@ony583

5 ай бұрын

The Wild West: The Magistrates Court The truth is that the entire case in favour of magistrates courts as we currently run them, is a sham. There is little sustainable rationale for their existence in principle, and no justification whatsoever for the way in which these courts operate in practice. There is no excuse for the amateur, sausage-factory paradigm of Justice and "that'll do" complacency that pervades 94% of criminal cases, other than the most cynical political trinity: its cheap, it's the way we've always done it and no one who votes either knows or cares. And the more you experience magistrates' courts justice, and interrogate the base assumption of this system, the less explicable the whole pantomime becomes. The Secret Barrister

Disgusting behaviour by the post office. I hope all the people involved including solicitors are scrutinized.

It's not potential fraud. It's fraud. Convicted postmasters had to pay back money that never existed in the first place, much like a Giftcard scam...

There is a sixth line now being followed, as one of the judges involved has referred his case to the police, asking them to look into possible cases of perjury and conspiracy to pervert the course of justice. I hope more judges do the same.

There has never been a successful prosecution of a corporation in this country. The prosecution of the Post Office Ltd should and must be the first, and the key players prosecuted for their crimes.

These Royal Mail people who have caused so much pain and suffering to the postmasters need to be dealt with in the most rigorous fashion. Put simply they should all do time behind bars.

Elaine Cottam, Steven Bradshaw need to be in jail. The way they directly treated those people was despicable

Why now? To put in another way: is the police enforcing the law or the public moods?

@markallen5252

5 ай бұрын

The why police are now getting involved is due to the overturning of convictions thereby confirming there had been a miscarriage if justice. Also the evidence from those appeals have provided details on potential offences committed by post office.

@monacophotographyevents2384

5 ай бұрын

Valid point. Why weren't they investigated immediately?

@morning_glorymonster3473

5 ай бұрын

@@monacophotographyevents2384 My answer is: because they care about the PR, not about the law. BTW, the same happened with the grooming gangs: the police knew what was going on for 10 years, but they only investigated once the story reached the national media. Our police is not fit for purpose.

@sarangistudent8614

5 ай бұрын

Real criminals know this, why most of them vote Tory. ​@@morning_glorymonster3473

An important aspect is missing from this. Consider how many post masters would ordinarily commit theft or fraud? I'd suggest pretty rare, relatively short term, and normally detected by PO's internal auditting way back when we valued society. What rate was it? 1 in 1000? 1 in 2500? There ought to be some idea of what rate of occurance real life brings. Easily deduced right? We then prosecute hundreds of previously good character people for fraud..... and no one in the police or the CPS asks why a rate of crime jumps up massively? No one asks the force next door. No judge says funny, Ive been involved in law for 35 years and can only recall a handful of crooked postmasters and now, 750 appear in 5 minutes. The law has many functions. The poluce are dupposed to investigate the truth of a matter and present the truth before a court to decide what is for the maintenance of society.... it is not meant to be idiots on piece work generating convictions. And yet we find ourselves in a position where the biggest, most widespread miscarriage of justice in British legal history does not appear to have any component of self introspection. Consider your own work, dorsnt matter what you do. Think of a rare, but serious error. How often does it happen? Then ask if it was a mistake, or malicious intent. Then imagine the rare event starts happening all the time, your losing hundreds of staff to prison sentences and losing hundreds of thousands.... and no one asks any sensible background questions. No consequences for who implemented the erroneous changes. And no punishment for the myraid people who prefer the sanctity of any generated conviction over the truth. Given this has been the case for decades, why does our law now need adverse publicity before it acts? And who is it protecting when it knowingly acts at a rate so calculatedly slow? If you continue to trust and respect your law please explain why?

@TesterAnimal1

5 ай бұрын

The police are not tireless crusaders for truth and justice. They’re just functionaries of government. Employees doing a job. Some lazy, some bored, some corrupt. The only way to be safe is to never stick your head above the parapet.

@josephberrie9550

5 ай бұрын

if you think these people are clever then you are much mistaken with these entitled people there elevated positions allow them to be above criticism and are protected by the unseen elite in our system... the old boys and girls club they look after each other and have each others backs

@lizrobertson5537

2 ай бұрын

Plus why would they steal when they knew they would have to pay the money back and they called the helpdesk for help with finding the "stolen" money. 8:37

Ministers walk free again, The buck must stop at the top Ed Davy should resign .

Can't Paula Vennels and the other Post Office executives involved be made to pay the compensation? After all Vennels lives in a multi million pound house which she could sell to raise some of the money and I'm sure she and the other executives have enough wealth to at least make a significant contribution towards the repayment of money owed to the sub-postmasters.

Surely the investigation of Fujitsu staff must include the (a) RemoteAcccess [branch account entry] team and (b) the management team who had oversight/governance [managers & exec team]. In effect these people stole money from SPMs with no consequence. They knew what they were doing from all the SPM's calls into the helpdesk and [refused to] install reconciliation/audit controls. That is corporate malfeasance, and theft.

Paula Vennells should not only be sent to prison for many years, but should be made to pay a massive amount out of her own pocket towards compensation for those post masters who's lives she's wrecked.

There can be NO ADEQUATE compensation for peoples' lives that were destroyed by these evil people; AND for one of them to masquerade as a member of the clergy is total hypocrisy.

Spot on !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Serious Fraud Office should have been investigating years ago.

This is so so sad 😢 the amount of folks' lives it has affected is unreal. No amount of compensation is going to give those poor families their lives back. How much time in their lives has been affected? No one can put a price on Time, because Time waits for No. Criminal, the government must be involved!

@kevinsyd2012

5 ай бұрын

It was the Blaire government that imposed the Horizon system on the Post Office back in 1999...! You should then blame Blaire, Brown and their political cronies

"What has Britian become? It's an absolute crime that it has to take a tv production to bring this to the fore. Where did the monies go? What gov. ministers own shares in Fujitsu?

As we already know no will go to jail, it never happens to these powerful rich people.

@Scott-up3bq

24 күн бұрын

Tell that to Archer,and aitken.theres always hope stay positive 😅

The test as to whether the button should be pushed or not will actually be the level of outrage of the public!

The MET will probably go and rearrest the postmasters, they are that slow.

And don’t forget Keir Starmer as Director of the DPP oversaw the prosecution of those Post Masters Ed Davey is small fry in this

Plod prefer easy target.

I agree that Vennels should lose her CBE, but she shouldn't be made the single scapegoat. There is no way that she was the only one involved, and frankly she was probably less directly involved than some people who have got off scot-free (Adam Crozier, etc.)

@adrianlloyd6403

5 ай бұрын

Vennels should never have been given an honour in the first place!

Such a shame that it's taken a TV drama to get all the current attention.

How many years are they prepared to watch.

I think there absolutely is a case against the legal advisors if they helped the post office thwart attempts at justice whilst knowing full well themselves that these convictions were based on perjury. Put it in front of a jury and let them decide, the public will not accept mysterious decisions not to prosecute made behind closed doors by fellow members of the establishment.

@adenwellsmith6908

5 ай бұрын

Time for some judges to be in the dock.

The Judges and Magistrates who convicted and sentenced on evidence they should have known was tainted, flimsy and wrongly obtained should be sacked and fined.

@josephberrie9550

5 ай бұрын

when someone pleads guilty they just get sentenced no evidence is required..the post office knew this and used it against the postmasters to plead guilty to get a lesser sentence .............................that is evil

They need to pay back EVERY PENNY that they stole from sub postmasters, including payments to next closest living relative of any who have sadly passed...Someone needs to go to prison for all the Post Office lies....

Where did all the money go?

@jablot5054

5 ай бұрын

Into bonus payments to the executives,like most corrupt companies.

@keithwebb658

Ай бұрын

Eventually back into the PO Profit and Loss account.

Er!! The company that sold the computer system to the Post Office knowing that it did not work that needs to be prosecuted and jailed for insisting that the dystem was flawless and as a consequence it must have been the posrmasters that were being dishonest!! Nobody stopped to think that it was not possible for so many postmasters not in any single locality, but across the entire country, being dishonest snd corrupt st the same time!! That could never be possible, and for me an element of racism led the belief of dishonesty at work given the number of Asian postmasters involved!! The biggest disgrace of this entire saga was/ is the woman at the head of the Post Office business at the time, tather than having to face sny censure was actually kicked upstairs , ":rewarded" with a more prominent role in another organization with a vast oncrease on pay if whilst podt offce managers were facing ruin, dome on prison, some taking their lives!! Yet no one has, nor rver eill pay for this scandal!!

@mludsladiesgentlemen1774

5 ай бұрын

Dear boy whilst I agree with your sentiment's, check your posts before you submit, you come across as incoherent.

@tt-ew7rx

5 ай бұрын

He said it would be "more difficult" to go after Fujitsu mostly because they are one layer away. If you have not completed the actions against the Post Office you cannot go after Fujitsu.

@mludsladiesgentlemen1774

5 ай бұрын

@@tt-ew7rx Not correct Fujitsu can be named as second respondent in any civil action or as co-defendants in a criminal action.

@davidrichaidson3269

5 ай бұрын

@@mludsladiesgentlemen1774 er!! Sorry about the typos, however, never ever am I incoherent, point is you got the jist, and that's what matters!!

@tt-ew7rx

5 ай бұрын

@@mludsladiesgentlemen1774 That brings in more complications. Fujitsu will argue that this sort of thing might prevent it from competing in future government contracts and the government probably has little enthusiasm for going after a private enterprise as they are focused on channelling public money to private businesses as a matter of principle. In contrast, the government probably cares less about the Post Office because 1) it may want to privatize it fully and 2) this fiasco happened during a Labour regime.

Lawyers with professional credentials and morals! Do me a favour, they go wherever the money is regardless.

MPs should have been speaking of injustices for their constituents, they failed and must be brought to account. MP Andrew Bridgen tried but was shut down - again.

Get them

It seems the Post Office Solicitors & legal reps need to be investigated

I would like to know the scope and depth of software validation that was performed by Fujitsu and similarly the systems verification completed by the post office prior to rollout.

@philipwardle6820

4 ай бұрын

Oversight and management of software engineering at every phase of the Horizon ifecycle appears inadequate technically owing to lack of financial headroom and timescale pressures in the contract between Fujitsu and Post Office. Some of the technical staff involved would have had / do have Professional Registration with the UK Engineering Council and membership of a professional institution such as the BCS or IET. There are multiple ways in which they may have failed to observe the codes of conduct of their institution at various points in the lifecycle and in the course of providing evidence on which Post Office relied.

The course of justice was systematically perverted by criminals with vested financial interest.

P.S. Great programme.

Someone needs to go to prison for all the Post Office lies....

ALL those involved in making the decisions to prosecute sub post office workers who were aware that they were innocent, should face serious scrutiny and legal proceedings. Apparently the PM is looking to exonerate everybody "that's 100's of people" who were accused of this awful miscarriage of justice. The post office are ultimatly responsible but certain Goverment ministers need to awnser questions as to there lack of action while this was happening. The British public need to push for an open & honest outcome & to highlight who was responsible and stop this happening again..

This says to me: Don't privatise public utilities or let them act as such

How many people have taken their lives or died over the worrying,.

Very cruel what these greedy people did 👎

so basically until Government and Police publicly embarrassed by a TV program, they tried to sweep it under carpet....

All the solicitors, and barristers acting for the post office should be thoroughly investigated, and I am sure some will have breeches professional standards and ethics. Therefore should be stripped of ever practicing law again ! Ed Davies is not innocent along with other senior civil servants who should also be investigated and prosecuted if need be.

700 shall we say 'incidents' of missing money and the police didn't investigate.

Wonder if the police will investigate this with all the vigour they demonstrated when investigating the Downing St lockdown breaches, I predict these nasty individuals who gleefully prosicuted innocent sub post masters will wind up (if eventualy found guilty) with £100 pound fines.

Good point on lawyers.. some should already be on remand in jail..