This was very good . I like it because it bring ups things that we see all the time and its always good to look at it from different points of view ....

@OfficialsInstitute

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed. Thank you.

I agree with you Eric. He did not catch the ball heading in there. He caught it, dribbled in and did a jump stop. He has no pivot then and he lifted foot and put it back down. Travel

@OfficialsInstitute

3 жыл бұрын

If you determine he is "holding" the ball while his foot is still on the floor then it would be a travel. But if you follow the normal bounce pattern of the dribble, it appears to bounce naturally until it is held by two hands. Remember, traveling can only happen while holding the ball. Thanks for commenting.

rt. 4. A player who catches the ball while moving or ends a dribble may stop and establish a pivot foot as follows: a. When both feet are off the playing court and the player lands: 1. Simultaneously on both feet, either may be the pivot foot; 2. On one foot followed by the other, the first foot to touch shall be the pivot foot; 3. On one foot, the player may jump off that foot and simultaneously land on both, in which case neither foot can be the pivot foot. case one is traveling, because no pivot foot is allowed according to a.3 rule

@OfficialsInstitute

2 жыл бұрын

It is our judgment the player catches the ball with both feet in the air. Please note: there is NO mention of ending a dribble in the definition of a travel. A player, who catches the ball while moving or dribbling, may stop, and establish a pivot foot as follows:

Play 1: C reached WAY out of his PCA . Play 2: Travel Play 3: Quit watching the NBA. Travel Play 4: Lead was way too late in his rotation and that would be extremely hard to have an open look. Left foot was established as pivot and it was not lifted nor set back down. Legal play. Play 5: Foul on white 3. Gotta get those. White 3 dove on black 10 causing his body to roll. You can see the Lead was going to call it. Great video

@OfficialsInstitute

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your comments

@matthewtrader6404

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed Chris Arnold, especially on the slot official coming across the floor through traffic in play #1... and yes, players/coaches/fans frequently don't understand that just because James Harden or Kevin Durant does it in the NBA (an entertainment league) that doesn't always make it legal in high school (NFHS rules).

Good video, but you have play #1 incorrect in an NFHS game. This is the jump stop play and the interpretation is that the dribble ends when the jump foot is still on the floor. Therefore, the player can only land on two feet simultaneously and must jump off both feet to either shoot or pass. No pivot is allowed. This play is legal in NBA or FIBA, however.

@OfficialsInstitute

3 жыл бұрын

The dribble doesn’t end, in this specific play, until the ball comes to rest in both hands. This happens when both feet are off the floor. 4.44.2a

@ericmorton2274

3 жыл бұрын

@@OfficialsInstitute Thanks for the rule reference, it's one of my favorites! Since the dribble can end in one hand (4.15.4a), my Board interprets this play as a travel when the ball handler pivots after a legal jump stop. We don't split hairs on this play and are instructed to call it consistently, considering the dribble to have ended with the jump foot on the floor. In my judgement, the dribble has ended in play #1 anyway. In any event, why is the C looking over in front of his two partners? Who is refereeing his primary? They need to chat about that in the postgame. Great videos, thanks!

@xoxo.charchar

3 жыл бұрын

@@ericmorton2274 side note: I love your profile pic. Thanks for watching.

@stevelatimer8719

3 жыл бұрын

I am voting with eric. I believe the ball has come to rest in one hand with the foot still on the floor. It is clearly a very close call. In NO way did it warrant the C coming across the floor to make the call.

@matthewtrader6404

3 жыл бұрын

@@OfficialsInstitute AGREED...the dribble doesn't end until the player is in the air and he, therefore, has the ability to legally pivot. My assigner would remove me from games if I ruled this a travel, and BOTH coaches would be upset to see this ruled a traveling violation...it would create a very long night of whistleblowing.

Love it.. play #5 I saw the ball hit the right leg of the defender, can we judge that as an incidental.

@OfficialsInstitute

Жыл бұрын

No, I think that is probably an intentional act and should have been a violation. But since this video is about traveling we didn't mention it. Good pick up.

Great Call #2,You Start A DRIBBLE Lifting Your Pivot 1st

@OfficialsInstitute

Жыл бұрын

It is illegal to start a dribble after the pivot foot has been lifted.

In the first play the after the jump stop he starts to pivot. The front of his pivot foots appears to lose contact with the floor as well. Almost as a mini step. Is this what the ref was referring to? Looking at how it breaks contact with the floor this could really go either way. Unless I am not interpreting the rule correctly. please break that down for me. I see this little step often at younger levels. at the 2:06 min mark

@OfficialsInstitute

Жыл бұрын

The pivot foot, left foot, appears to stay in contact with the floor. The rule does not say you must pivot on the ball of your foot, although that is how most do it. So if contact is maintained by the heel and the front of the foot moves, it is still legal.

@lescobrandon937

Жыл бұрын

@@OfficialsInstitute Great response and reply. I appreciate it

You had the correct ruling on all five of them except for the first one. When he came to his jump stop, you are no longer able to move either foot off of the ground and reestablish it..

@OfficialsInstitute

6 ай бұрын

If a dribbling/moving player catches/holds the ball when both feet are in the air, if they land simultaneously on both they may use either foot to pivot.

@lavarball8101

5 ай бұрын

@@OfficialsInstitute so this is different from that rule? kzread.info/dash/bejne/nIGu2ZialZapocY.html

can you bobble the wall while running and be legal if you havent established possession yet?

@OfficialsInstitute

3 жыл бұрын

Bobbling the ball is not considered control and can be considered "fumbling" the ball.

On play #2 he traveled twice. Foot on the floor when he caught the pass imo, then "bunny hopped" for a travel.

@stevelatimer8719

3 жыл бұрын

I think the initial bunny hop was a legal jump stop.

@scottramage660

3 жыл бұрын

@@stevelatimer8719 Good point!

@OfficialsInstitute

3 жыл бұрын

Moving player catches the ball with one foot on the floor, player may jump off that foot and simultaneously land of both.

Being a ref is hard. Not instant replay in real life

i need to know , what rules are we talking about here, NBA's ? FIBA's ? According to FIBA's , play 3 is a standard 012 ,not traveling !

@leochen4347

2 жыл бұрын

unless you show me the specific rule content and explain why

@OfficialsInstitute

2 жыл бұрын

This video, and entire channel, is based solely on the rules set forth in the NFHS rules book.

@weipulee

2 жыл бұрын

agree with you.

What happens when a player jump stops in the lane then takes two steps to shoot the basketball? Travel or no travel

@OfficialsInstitute

7 ай бұрын

Traveling

The last play was not clear. Is sliding with the ball legal if caused by momentum? And if there was no foul, is it traveling then when he rolls over while holding the ball? Also, that player actually kicked the ball on the pass.

@OfficialsInstitute

2 жыл бұрын

If your momentum causes you to slide, that is not a violation. When a player who has gained control on the ground, attempts to get up, it is a traveling violation. Rolling over with the ball on the ground is to be considered an attempt to get up. Traveling violation. The ball hit the defenders foot and maybe it was a kicking violation.

@ZoMichael-a

Жыл бұрын

@@OfficialsInstitute yes, people really don't know the rules. They think they can get up if they fall and not be a violation. This is clearly even stated in rule books. Nice video.

Is the jump stop only because he is moving backwards? It seems to me that when you gather and take two steps towards the rim, it is legal. But technically you jumped off one foot, meaning you should have to land on both simultaneously for it not to be a travel.

@OfficialsInstitute

Жыл бұрын

The rule involving a moving player revolves around when the ball is caught/held. A gather is not necessarily holding. In a layup situation it is extremely difficult to determine whether or not there is one foot on the ground at the time the ball is caught or no feet. This usually leads to giving the player the benefit of the doubt and ruling no feet on the ground, thus the “1-2” every thinks the rule gives even though “1-2” is now where to be found. Thanks for watching.

@InfiniteQuest86

Жыл бұрын

@@OfficialsInstitute I see. That makes sense. Thank you!

In the second play he caught the ball with his left foot on the floor not both feet in the air.. Same result of traveling when lifting the left pivot foot in the jump and then dribbling the basketball

@OfficialsInstitute

2 жыл бұрын

You're probably right, but the clip is to trying to make an example of starting a dribble while in the air. Thank for your comment.

@Vance005

2 жыл бұрын

Your channel is great by the way. Really like how you dissect the plays and explain the details of what's legal and what's not. Great jog and thank you.

Hey coach what if you step back while your hand is over the ball in one hand and then land 1,2. It wouldn't be a travel because you can step as many times as you want with a live dribble

@OfficialsInstitute

Жыл бұрын

If you are not holding the ball, and the ball is still in a dribble, then it would be a legal move.

is this a fiba rules?

@OfficialsInstitute

2 жыл бұрын

All videos we produce use the NFHS rules set.

@fromtheoutside

2 жыл бұрын

For FIBA: Play 1: Legal: (FIBA rule book Art 25.2.1) Play 2: Travel for the same reason as stated in the video. Play 3: Legal: Allowed 2 steps after the gather..0, 1-2 (FIBA rule book Art 25.2.1) Play 4: Legal: for the same reason as stated in the video. Play 5: 1) Should have been a foul on white #3. 2) Only would have been a travel if the player attempted to roll or get up while holding the ball; the contact from white #3 forced black #10 into the roll. However, should have been a kickball on black #10: cannot contact the ball with any part of the leg.

@OfficialsInstitute

2 жыл бұрын

@@fromtheoutside thanks

I got 3

@OfficialsInstitute

Жыл бұрын

Great. Thanks for watching.

Is this FIBA ruling?

@OfficialsInstitute

2 жыл бұрын

No. We use NFHS rules for all our videos.

@fromtheoutside

2 жыл бұрын

For FIBA: Play 1: Legal: (FIBA rule book Art 25.2.1) Play 2: Travel for the same reason as stated in the video. Play 3: Legal: Allowed 2 steps after the gather..0, 1-2 (FIBA rule book Art 25.2.1) Play 4: Legal: for the same reason as stated in the video. Play 5: 1) Should have been a foul on white #3. 2) Only would have been a travel if the player attempted to roll or get up while holding the ball; the contact from white #3 forced black #10 into the roll. However, should have been a kickball on black #10: cannot contact the ball with any part of the leg.

Play 3 I laughed so hard. Horrible positioning by all 3. Trail is at half court, red flag, and completely straight lined on a slow play no excuse not working for the open look. Center is practically a 2nd trail several feet above 3pt arc. Play 5 I laughed at missed foul. POE also: rules don't stop for loose balls/players on the floor. (Playing surface causes a lot of concussions too)

@OfficialsInstitute

Жыл бұрын

Great point on loose balls. Many ignore illegal contact claiming they are trying to get the ball, but that doesn’t allow for illegal contact. Thanks for watching.

Ncaa officials call 7 out of every 5 traveling violations

@OfficialsInstitute

2 жыл бұрын

Ha

#1 1 Play Is 100% LEGAL...Where Most Officials Make The Key Mistake It Is,When The Dribbler Gathers Or Catches The Ball Is The Key !

@OfficialsInstitute

Жыл бұрын

But to be fair, a play like this can be difficult to see properly in real time especially if you’re not ready for it.

@Heart3433

7 ай бұрын

There is no such thing as a gather at this level. Gather is only allowed in FIBA and the NBA. Play 1 should be a travel.

play #3 is a legal play on NBA ,

@OfficialsInstitute

2 жыл бұрын

NBA has a different, specific rules set on traveling and what they allow compared to NFHS and NCAA.

@marcelojr.macalele8306

2 жыл бұрын

@@OfficialsInstitute yes sir

5 is a kicked ball.

@OfficialsInstitute

Жыл бұрын

Was the ball hitting his foot intentionally done? If you think it was, then yes, it would be a kicking violation.

the number 3 is wrong, zero step is the left feet

@OfficialsInstitute

Жыл бұрын

There is no zero step in the NFHS rules book.

Wrong on the first play. Control of the ball happens as soon as ONE of his hands holds the ball from anywhere below the centerline, which he does just before leaving his left foot (way before he grabs it with both hands). Travel

@OfficialsInstitute

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your input. Since “holding the ball” is not defined in the NFHS the point of holding the ball can be ambiguous. In play #1 just because his hand is under the ball doesn’t necessarily equal control. The ball continues upward in its normal bounce pattern and doesn’t come to rest until both hands grab it. This would be the point the player is holding the ball in our opinion. Thanks for watching.

@Dredster747

2 жыл бұрын

@@OfficialsInstitute Whether the ball was already traveling upwards or not is irrelevant, placing any part of your hand below the center line of the ball means you are terminating your dribble. If a player does that while a foot is still on the ground, that is now his pivot foot which he can NOT lift up and set back down again unless performing a pro-hop (which he clearly was not doing since he started pivoting)

play 3 is never called EVER. blame the nba for that.

@OfficialsInstitute

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching.

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@OfficialsInstitute

Жыл бұрын

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