Just gonna jump ahead of the comments here (it's going to be insane) and say, I'm still not considering this a review so much as a massive discussion. I'm still rather undecided on this film and intend to give it a rewatch. It certainly has its flaws and big ones at that but I think a rewatch will determine just how much they bug me, and how much they impact the experience the second time around. While watching the film, I was thrilled to bits and all of my criticisms only really surfaced once the credits began. This isn't really a backpedal but to say, I still don't think I can give a fully fair assessment on this one, even with all that's been said. Do I recommend it? 100%. Do I look forward to rewatching it? 100%. Did I enjoy watching it when I did? 100%. It's a wild ride, I won't pretend it isn't and by no means the worst Spider-Man film. I guess it's tricky to give an immediate judgement of a film that is so divorced from traditional storytelling and so committed to delivering a satisfying conclusion to 3 stories that were never intended to overlap. I do ask that people in the comments do be mature about my criticisms. By all means tell me if I'm speaking in bad faith, but you don't need to go so far as to attack people in defence of a film that's proving popular and is probably going to make more money than any of us will ever see in our lifetimes. Just, hear each other out and be cool. It's a discussion not a fight. Aight, Pup out.

@ViiiRALshortz

2 жыл бұрын

one question you realize that the hands are controlling him, the reason why he sacrificed

@dmfboss

2 жыл бұрын

Different opinions are needed and art is subjective love the vids keep doing what you’re doing

@shrigadge09

2 жыл бұрын

Why uncle Ben has to be there? We can expect the fact that it was always peter and may... And his lesson of responsibility starts from death of aunt may. Makes sense

@dc-vengance5630

2 жыл бұрын

I’m just stuck on how you called it far from home instead of no way home like 3 or 4 times

@jacobcobb4970

2 жыл бұрын

The way you fix this flat hole is really simple. Literally just go with the fact that these are variance and not the exact one to one translated versions of the Spidermen and villains we saw in those previous movies. these are from variant universities of those universities were things happen very similar but slightly different to fit the story and in resolution. It makes everything makes sense and it makes everything click together for the most part

Our crowd went wild when Defoe went, I’m somewhat of a scientist myself

@mullaoslo

2 жыл бұрын

Defoe, Garfield got cheers.. Tobey got applause 😊

@jamiebowler4693

2 жыл бұрын

As they should

@letstalk4590

2 жыл бұрын

My crowd did nothing but laugh when we saw the meme references and then when Toby and Andrew came in THEY WENT MAD

@bakedover7029

2 жыл бұрын

Same 😂

@comicbooksbrooks4935

2 жыл бұрын

Same. Someone said: “he said it!”

My reasoning for Ned doing magic so easily is because he's always been open to that sort of thing but Strange was so hesitant to believe in magic in general.

@rooracleaf561

2 жыл бұрын

And also he’s not gifted in all magic, he’s just gifted in using a sling ring

@ramblesrandom

2 жыл бұрын

I saw a Reddit comment that linked it to real world Filipino magic/superstition so I thought that was a pretty neat explanation, tying it to the thing about his relatives saying he has magic in his hands.

@BenjiM514

2 жыл бұрын

Not to mention his hands were broken

@eduardolebeanz9463

2 жыл бұрын

And they also hinted at it, Ned asks Doctors Strange if he has like magic in his blood or something and then Ned says that his grandma says that they have magic in their blood and their hand shake or something like that and Doctors Strange dismiss it. Its a small scene but it comes into play later another reason why this movie is so good Anyway im stupid and illiterate so yeahh

@keving5004

2 жыл бұрын

Also it makes sense because his desire to find peter was so big it literally translated to him using the sling ring, which is the source of the magic not Ned.

Actually when aunt may said "with great power comes great responsibility" Tom responded with : "I know" implying that his uncle ben told him something like that.

@akira17_samurai

2 жыл бұрын

Really?

@thomasjohnson1885

2 жыл бұрын

I doubt that

@aa-jf5gu

2 жыл бұрын

I found it weird that when tobey and Andrew were talking about uncle Ben, Tom didn’t talk about his uncle Ben

@LitoWasHere

2 жыл бұрын

I thought Tom's Spiderman was adopted 🤣

@alfze_

2 жыл бұрын

@@aa-jf5gu my thought exactly!!! like bruhhh whyy

I think no Ned, MJ, Aunt May or happy knowing him/being alive is the perfect environment for the symbiote storyline in the MCU. He's probably in a dark place compared to before and may find himself drawn to the comfort the black suit brings, without a guiding presence to help him out of a downward spiral.

@AqwDragulum

2 жыл бұрын

I just hope we see Tom's version of "raindrops keep falling on my head" when he tries to enjoy his college life

@hwanniggles187

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe, just maybe, they can do a scene that was done in Spectacular where the Symbiote almost consumes Peter and then BOOM We have Uncle Ben help him out and have the people he cares about be his reason to keep going, living or dead

@CometStar100

2 жыл бұрын

I feel that story is better when he turns on the people close to him but now he has no one and is all alone again.

@Iwillone

2 жыл бұрын

And all that being further pushed by the introduction to Black Cat

@yoshim616

2 жыл бұрын

This is what I think could happen in Spider-Man 4. Have that movie be about the black suit a lot and how the symbiote affects him and then do Venom in Spider-Man 5.

I think we can all agree on one thing...Willem Defoe was an absolute beast in this film!

@bailey6701

2 жыл бұрын

Hands down the best actor in the movie. The way he was able to play Norman and switch to Green Goblin so well was amazing

@rainydays713

2 жыл бұрын

Hes something of a beast himself

@Da_caffeinated_insomniac

2 жыл бұрын

You know he’s something of a goat himself

The second Willem pulled out the duel roles I was enthralled he was 100% the main villain

It's pretty obvious to me when the villains get sent back it creates alternate timelines, and also they don't return to their worlds at the same time they left - time doesn't stop just because they fizzled out, so they won't die as soon as they return. It's how the time travel stuff worked in Endgame.

@TheArchitect097

2 жыл бұрын

Also, those spidermen also disappeared to this universe the same time the villains did. It's not like they're going to return and say, "on with the killing".

@tny1757

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheArchitect097 it seems like they already defeated their villains. Tobey is much older and mentions fighting Venom and Andrew talks about Gwen and mentions fighting Rhino. So their stories ended. It’s possible the villains came from alternate timelines of their universes. Redeeming them means they have less reason to die fighting Spider-Man. Doc Ock may still die as to stop the Machine, but Norman means he won’t die, Harry never becomes New Goblin, and the whole timeline changes. Electro may not die either.

@TheArchitect097

2 жыл бұрын

@@tny1757 yeah, now that I think about it a bit, exactly when each of these people are plucked from their timelines is pretty wonky, and convenient for plot's sake. I'm sure there will be plenty of discussions to kind of suss out how everything worked. But ultimately, I don't care to overthink it too much. It was just awesome.

@youfirst6611

2 жыл бұрын

This gets depressing when you realize that Kang controls the TVA and once they see all the branching timelines that were created they’ll erase the universes 🥲

@keving5004

2 жыл бұрын

@@youfirst6611 he wants them to branch because Kang is the evil one but He who remains is the one who wanted the timelines to not branch

bro the ending works because now that all the villains are good, they wont die fighting spider-man. It ain't a plot hole, and also they specifically say the point that they were taken from, and in every one they can still survive.

@Coperime

2 жыл бұрын

Pup can be a bit of a poop brain sometimes lol

How can you dislike the ending? It’s one of the harshest things Spider-Man has ever been pushed through. It’s almost worse than them dying, all those years he spent with them is now gone, he knows they’re there but he can’t reconnect with them again without completely restarting. He’s alone completely in the world all because of his choices

@thomasjohnson1885

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, it’s reset instead of continuing his journey he’s now back at square one.

@kingkong9892

2 жыл бұрын

@@thomasjohnson1885 I like that. No we can get spiderman going solo and on his own

@matthewbennett9928

2 жыл бұрын

Everybody has their own opinion I certainly loved the ending of the film because he is truly on his own and he has nobody to help him which has been one of the biggest complaints about the MCU spider man is that somebody's always hoping I mean never has to do anything on his own

@elijahblechman8633

2 жыл бұрын

I loved it. Now he has to be a man. He made mistakes and had to live with it.

@mrj6073

2 жыл бұрын

This movie's ending took balls, it was the darkest ending of any spiderman film to date. Even tobeys spiderman still had mary jane at the end of spider man 3 and andrews spiderman had aunt may. Tom has literally no one and hes out on his own.

Am I being crazy, but at the end of No Way Home, when Peter is swinging in his new suit, he goes through the Rockafella centre and an ice rink at Christmas time, which is exactly where the final showdown of Hawkeye is taking place. Could that mean he’ll cameo? I’m probably being crazy here, but maybe this is a hint.

@sharavy6851

2 жыл бұрын

Nah. U crazy.

@rosskerr9707

2 жыл бұрын

Nah he tweakin

@ammonite0257

2 жыл бұрын

I would be cool. But it would cost too much to have Spider-Man in just one episode of Hawkeye

@Biotyn

2 жыл бұрын

They mentioned last episode that the statue of liberty was being remodeled, so this is before nwh i would think

@mattbunky

2 жыл бұрын

@@Biotyn they take place at the same time, that’s also why rogers the musical was seen in an ad in Times Square

It was so refreshing to have Charlie Cox on the screen again

I think that they end up creating branching timelines within their own respective universes. Additionally, what are the implications for the two spideys? Do they go back with their memories intact or do they get their memories wiped and continue on in their universe as if nothing happened? Also, with the venom thing maybe they will do the thing in the comics where you need a symbiote from a specific universe to enter that universe since he doesn't have access to Dr. Strange's magic anymore.

@dimitrescu182

2 жыл бұрын

I think the two Spideys remember, everyone from outside the MCU does

@spider-jonah-man7148

2 жыл бұрын

I definitely think the two spideys will remember because Tom remembers the events of the movie.

@peternotpeter4201

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe they will go into the implications of the other villains in What If season 2

@gamejitzu

2 жыл бұрын

@@peternotpeter4201 What If would be so much more interesting if they did something like that, as long as it's written well

@peternotpeter4201

2 жыл бұрын

@@gamejitzu I agree :)

I’m not sure if Strange had to train for *years* to use a sling ring. It’s the most basic spell he’s learned, it’s the first he got right, and he only made progress after accepting that the problem was with his mind, not with his hands. Ned doesn’t seem to share the self-esteem and ego issues that Strange initially had in Kamar-Taj. I don’t have a problem with Ned being able to do it. I just think he should have failed a couple times before getting it right.

@eondb2586

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah Ned can’t even close portals and takes numerous attempts to even get them right

@tny1757

2 жыл бұрын

Ned needs practice. He can do it, but not on command most of the time. And with the talk of Peter’s best friend turning into a Villain (Harry becoming New Goblin) it seems like Ned is possibly being set up (Hobgoblin with Mystic Arts abilities).

@alexman378

2 жыл бұрын

Strange was also very focused on his shaky hands and not on what he was supposed to create

@Silath01

2 жыл бұрын

I'm fairly sure he was training for 2 years, there were dates scattered around on food, ect

@Buwendo

2 жыл бұрын

His hands were suffering from neuron damage plus he was somewhat of an atheist and Ned mentions his family has history

I hope this isn't the last time we see them again. I want to see them again not because of nostalgia, is just that them interacting with each other is fun and I hope there will be another live action spiderverse but this time a bit like the comics

In comics uncle Ben never told Peter the great power speech Peter just learnt it on his own

@monke1599

2 жыл бұрын

true

@gaylordcomic

2 жыл бұрын

In Stan Lee's run yeah, later on with different writers it has been hinted as being something Ben would say.

@ChannelPup

2 жыл бұрын

You're right about that. Stuff I'm going to take into consideration for when I actually make a proper review.

@guilhermefranco2930

2 жыл бұрын

@@ChannelPup also, Peter says "I know after May" tells him that. So I think it's implying he had heard it before or learned it himself. Either way it is refering to uncle ben

@dolier2802

2 жыл бұрын

Not true actually, originally it was just a text box, but they retconned that at some point, not sure if it was before or after the Raimi films, but still, he did canonically say that.

The few issues I had with the film are far FAR outweighed by the good. My expectations were somehow exceeded and I'm so so happy with how it ended. More than ever before, I'm extremely excited to see what the future of Spider-Man is in the MCU

13:00 Peter does actually say "I know" after may says the responsibility line. I like to think it's because she was quoting ben

@pg14s

2 жыл бұрын

YESS

@chebberson2429

2 жыл бұрын

Bens never mentioned in any of Tom’s movies besides through Tobey and Andrew, so sorry to crush your dreams but I don’t even think he’s really that important in the MCU at all

@ilayevenchen84

2 жыл бұрын

@@chebberson2429 I know he's not mentioned(he is hinted at though) I'm saying that as a fan that thinks he is important, I like to think that him saying "I know" means he was a part of his life. Besides, outside of the main timeline, Ben is mentioned in what if. The zombies episode doesn't change Peter's origins and thus means Ben existed in his life. You didn't crush anything as your comment made no sense really

@thefishouttawatta8876

2 жыл бұрын

I dont think there is a Ben Parker. I think Aunt May is the sister of Peter’s dad. She never married. I think he says I know because he agrees/understands the concept or more so that he’s showing that he’s listening.

@cosmicreader1312

2 жыл бұрын

@@thefishouttawatta8876 I’m sorry but that is not a good theory. Despite them not mentioning Ben there’s always been hints like the briefcase and far from home the fact in homecoming or he mentions how Aunt May’s Ben through so much. And I know this is an alternate universe but what if‘s Version of Tom Holland a Peter Parker did mention uncle Ben. And like I said again it’s an alternate universe but it’s a Universe with everything from the MCU has been the same up to that point meaning a homecoming happened exactly like it did and then right around the time infinity war supposed to happen Zombies came up. And a great responsibility line short it became eventually a famous line we all know uncle Ben to tell but in the original Amazing Fantasy 15 comic it was just and unspoken lesson written in the story. And throughout Stan Lee’s original run uncle Ben Was only mention two or three times while the rest of the story had nothing to do with him and he even idolized a superhero name human torch as much as he does in the MCU for Ironman.

When Andrew stepped in literally everyone was screaming and clapping

@Vintagesonic1

2 жыл бұрын

Really? For me, everyone just started stomping on the ground.

@theirishpotato6588

2 жыл бұрын

@@Vintagesonic1 ???

@theirishpotato6588

2 жыл бұрын

Same

The thing I was looking most forward to was the audience atmosphere. It made watching a film that was fantastic even more amazing. I really enjoyed it. Tom Holland I thought personally gave a strong performance.

@tygarner9142

2 жыл бұрын

Yo, I had a great time. I had the aisle seat, and these kids kept walking up and down the whole time, so I was laughing. Right when Aunt May died and I felt a tear build up, one of the kids tripped and fell and I was ROLLING 😂🤣

All I will say is I didn't know I could appeal not getting into uni when I were a lad and eventually someone told me to and I got in. I found that moment weirdly relatable in the film, as you say, lack of street smarts on my part

2 жыл бұрын

I also didn’t know that personally.

I think Peter planned to redeem them and take their powers away so that when they go back to their universe, they won't need to fight spider man and won't die

I think the implications of Doc Oc being redeemed is that it’s happening much earlier in that fight and that it will give them a chance to either stop the sun from growing too big, or they work together to sink the machine right away.

@drcheesenut896

2 жыл бұрын

Problem is Ock knowing who Peter is and saying he was choking him. That implies it was near the very end of the fight when Peter was trying to calm him down

Actually it makes sense that sandman attacks because he wants the box to go home to his daughter

I really. REALLY want to see that suit from the end of the film. Looks homemade, sewn by Peter, classic Red and Blue - I need it.

Spoilers Loved toby and Andrew but all the grounded stuff like the identity or college trilogy stuff was what I wanted

@littlemalcolm5876

2 жыл бұрын

College trilogy is next

@kelseymoorelisse10

2 жыл бұрын

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@Mirrorcomics24

2 жыл бұрын

@@littlemalcolm5876 ik

@anonycdl2733

2 жыл бұрын

Everyone else wanted Tobey and Andrew. Nobody cares what you wanted. They still delivered the identity and college.

@Mirrorcomics24

2 жыл бұрын

@@anonycdl2733 that’s a bit rude seeing as I never said I didn’t want Toby and Andrew and the fact that I loved everything about Toby and Andrew in the film

The end sequence had me more excited than either after credits. The new suit, peter basically on his own, it feels strong

I think the not talking to MIT before makes sense with this characterization, this Peter is extremely impulsive, that's been constant since all his movies, going to germany in Civil War, then the whole thing with trying to get into the Avengers in Homecoming, then giving the glasses to Mysterio in FFH, and then this movie, just getting the idea to go to strange and then going immediately. MJ even points this out to him in this film, to workshop his ideas with them first.

I loved the film but the only thing that bothered me was that ned just did magic❔ I would've said the humor sometimes but I've just started to ignore that Otherwise it was a solid 9/10

@manolabarra9788

2 жыл бұрын

Opening the portals is easy you just need a ring, what made it hard for strange was the combination of his hands being fucked up with his arrogance and lack of believing

@ishaanbhattacharya9405

2 жыл бұрын

@@manolabarra9788 IG thats a satisfactory explanation

@theirishpotato6588

2 жыл бұрын

@@manolabarra9788 facts

@theirishpotato6588

2 жыл бұрын

I disagree but the second part is maybe understandable.

I agree about tobey for sure. I really get this vibe that he didn’t want to come back. Andrew IMO still has a story and I want to see more

@thomasjohnson1885

2 жыл бұрын

Andrew “I wanna fight an alien” make him the venom films Spider-Man

@omartaha477

2 жыл бұрын

@@thomasjohnson1885 MAN GOOD CATCH! There have been rumors of them making an TASM3, it’s just rumors, but FINGERS CROSSED

@user-bv7to5rf3l

2 жыл бұрын

idk i thought he felt more like an older more chill mature peter

@MrSeals1000

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-bv7to5rf3l That was also my impression. But his acting certainly did feel a bit awkward too

@user-bv7to5rf3l

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrSeals1000 yeah i agree but idk he was pretty awkward in the raimi movies just use the pizza time scene for an example lol that might jus be tobey bein peter tobey's too good of an actor to play it poorly and he wanted to be there i think idk if its that he mightve not tho

the peters doing stuff in the lab was some of my favourite stuff in this film. it was awesome. I do agree that Maguire's suit wasn't flashed off enough.

when it comes to uncle ben, im under the belief that we’ll find out in his show that Uncle Ben died when Peter was a little kid (way before he became spider-man) which is why he has no real emotional connection to him. what got me upset tho is not seeing Aunt Mays grave next to Uncle Ben

When Ned's grandma speaks in Filipino, not just because Jacob Batalon is a Filipino-born, I chuckled since she grabbed the opportunity to tell Ned to tell Andrew's spider-man to clean out the cobwebs on the ceiling.

When Flint and Connors were bought back to their normal selves, footage from both TASM and sm3 were re used

@owenbradley6092

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah i was really disappointed with that, and you could tell that Thomas Haden Church and Rhys Ifans only came back to voice the characters

It did not take years for Doctor Strange to use the sling ring. In fact it's explained that the slng ring is one of the most basic forms of magic that beginners learn. They also say that all it takes is the ability to believe and visualize where you want to go. The only reason strange struggled with it was because he couldn't commit to believing because he was a man of science and needed an explanation. Ned ironically in believing that he already was magic had an easier time using the ring. Not to mention that the ring itself is a magical artifact meant to make conjuring portals easier. It makes sense.

Im glad they basically reset toms spiderman: got rid of his tech suit, can actually build up mj and peters relationship which far from home failed to do (though, they were good here), no one knows he is spiderman and finally realizes the consequences of people knowing his identity, great power comes great responsibility, and having to live alone in a little apartment

@DoubleO88

2 жыл бұрын

I'm hoping he ditches "MJ " and he meets Gwen in college.

@untapped8776

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, because living by himself in a small apartment is a requirement for Spider-Man. Sorry, I know what you mean, and I somewhat agree. It felt very Insomniac Spider-Man. But none of those things are requirements for a good Spider-Man.

andrew and willem absolutely stole the show.

This movie is a pseudo-sequel to Spider-Man 3 and The Amazing Spider-Man 2, a live-action Spider-Verse, the branch between the Netflix MCU and the movies, and the follow-up to Far From Home. Doc Ock, Electro, and Green Goblin are given a lot of respect. Lizard and Sandman are cool. And then all three Spider-Men are handled pretty well. This is all at the expense of a pretty dumb plot that doesn't exactly make sense, like at all actually. And if you think about it at really any capacity, oof. It just doesn't make sense. So if kind of a bad plot ruins a movie for you, then it'll be ruined for you. But if you can overlook that sort of thing, you'll have a lot of fun. One thing I will say about the plot is the ending actually made me depressed in a really good way. It was fucking awesome. And the Aunt May scene. Truly amazing. But yeah nah this is just mainly fan service the movie.

@matthewbennett9928

2 жыл бұрын

I don't know I thought it was a pretty good plot and had a lot of emotion and a lot of weight and had a lot of real consequences for Peter Parker as the entire world knows his identity and now he has to try to fix it and then in the end he stuck all on his own. But I guess everybody has different criteria for what a good plot is and that's perfectly fine

@drcheesenut896

2 жыл бұрын

Litteraly everything Pup said that doesn't make sense has pretty easy ways to rationalize it

Glad to have found a 30+ minute discussion that isn't just 10/10 praise. Ever since the trailer I've been disappointed over the CGI Goblin mask and now the Spidey masks, still incredible to see the Raimi suit back on screen. It's going to be interesting to see the behind-the-scenes for this one, seeing a lot of people are convinced that they reused footage of Sandman in his human form from Spider-Man 3. I'm with you in that Peter should've been portrayed better in regards to calling MIT, and I really don't think Doctor Strange got the right treatment here. But it was great to see Peter help out Otto and using math to problem solve. He's been much more of a bumbling idiot in previous films, but this felt like more of a Peter Parker love letter. Good to see him land a solid movie kiss as well, and a beautiful score by Giacchino in that scene especially. It moved me almost as much as his score for Rogue One did.

@henrybueno5483

2 жыл бұрын

the part where he lost his powers was clearly reused footage lmao

@theirishpotato6588

2 жыл бұрын

@@henrybueno5483 I couldn't tell.

@anonycdl2733

2 жыл бұрын

Dumb take. Entitled fan, nothing will ever be good enough for you.

@theirishpotato6588

2 жыл бұрын

@@anonycdl2733 true

@Operation_Bagel

2 жыл бұрын

@@theirishpotato6588 Watch the scene from Spider-Man 3 where he fights Sandman in the sewers. At the end of that, when he’s first turning to mud, is where they reuse the shot from

I loved the I’m somewhat of a scientist meme but I reallllllly wanted to hear tobey tell Tom the aunt may speech, such a disappointment we didn’t get it

@Gemnist98

2 жыл бұрын

Tom-Peter didn’t need to be re-inspired to be a superhero though, so that Spider-Man 2 speech wouldn’t have fit.

Ah, I remember Nicholas Hammond. He was being overpowered by a powerless thug in The Dragon’s Challenge.

@nkuniverse7856

2 жыл бұрын

Lmao

This movie makes me even more excited for the sequel

The stuff with Peter at the beginning, he's a teenager undergoing a hell fna lot of stress and hardships, I can believe him being frantic and itrational, many fuooy grown aduota would do the same. With the ending, it goes into things Peter was being there is earlier in the film, about him having to make a choice between being Spider-Man and his personal life. It's also foreshadowed quite well with the other Spider-Men mentioning their personal losses, Uncle Ben, Harry, Gwen. By the end, MCU Peter has also lost his equivalent to those things, albiet not by death. What does he do? He follows the other Peters' advice, he carries on best he can. I also feel his situation is one thag a lot of the kids who have followwd him all these years can now relate to. School is over, you're entering adult life with many of your safety nets gone. Even friends you knew can end up drifting away. It can he scary and lonely. That's just the feeling those melancholy shots in his dingy flat at the end reminded me of. Can't really cover everything I feel here but one last point. Why do the Venom scene? Becsuee Kevin Feige has earned the right to troll. Yeah, I would have been curious about them meeting, but I'm more excited by the prospect of well done Black Suit and Venom arc on the big screen, something I'd given up hope for.

Like you said, this film really confused me about Uncle Ben in the MCU, because in CW he says "when you can do the things that I can, but you don't. And then the bad things happen, they happen because of you" which is just power and responsibility, then HC and FFH reference him and his presence is felt multiple times and What if name drops him. Even Watts and Feige themselves have said Ben does exist. So why does Peter not seem too familiar with the power and responsibility. What makes it even weirder is that, when Tobey and Andrew mentied their Uncle Ben's Tom's Peter doesn't even relate saying he lost his or anything. So if he wasn't familiar with power and responsibility (which he was) why was he using his power to help people in the first place? I don't mind if they have May give him the official power and responsibility speech instead of Ben because in the original comics no one taught Peter anything, he figured it out on his own so I don't really care if they switch it to May, but it's just confusing on the implications on Ben, hopefully Freshman year will explain it. Also one of my biggest worries came true which was they wouldn't explore Peter trying to live a normal life that much and just get straight to the multiverse. Don't get me wrong what they showed was exceptional but I feel it was too quick. I also feel we didn't really need Sandman and the Lizard in this film at all they felt really pointless they were cool don't get me wrong, but they should have removed them and used those minutes to further explore Goblin and electro imo. Aside from those imo it was absolutely a dream come true, the whole story of Tom's Spidey slowly becoming THE Spider-Man through out the trilogy was finished so perfectly setting up a trilogy in college with Tom being a far more traditional Spider-Man. I'm so glad I loved this version from the start and was able to love this entire journey he goes on because its been amazing to watch a Spider-Man actually grow into the hero he's supposed to be rather than just be that hero from the get go. Also I loved the mid credit scene leaving the opportunity to do Spider-Man v Venom properly instead of forcing 2 series together just to fight for a quick buck.

@MarioSonicBee

2 жыл бұрын

They way I see it is that MCU Spider-Man's origin is more like the comics where Uncle Ben never said the line, he learned it himself. Aunt May saying the line is just a renforcement if you pay attention Peter even says "I know" after she says the line. TLDR Uncle Ben still died he just never said the line.

@drcheesenut896

2 жыл бұрын

I think people forget that in the comics Ben never even said a line close to "With Great Power comes Great Responsibility". I think it's possible Ben's death in the MCU played out like in the comics, in which he was there, and then just died, and Peter has long moved on

I thought that about sending them home but for me I think in my head canon I will assume it creates a divergent timeline. so tobey's og timeline stays the same. and then they all get their own unique timeline. just for me though in my headcanon

I'm going to guess Tom Holland's Uncle Ben did used to say that a lot, and it was something his Aunt May took to heart before passing it onto Peter at the end. The bit when Peter and Happy at May's grave and him talking about as long as people carry what she stood for on then it will continue to live on. I think May was doing that for Ben in her work at F.E.A.S.T.., and now it's passed on to Peter as Spider-Man. And I think it's less redeeming and more if they don't have powers and are back to normal they can't fight Spider-Man, and if they can't fight Spider-Man they can't die fighting Spider-Man. And if it helps them out in other ways that's a big bonus too. Still leaves Doc Ock to be screwed over tho. Maybe Norman surviving can effect things enough to save Ock later on. Who knows.

Funny thing about Uncle Ben is that in the original run of the comics Uncle Ben never said with great power comes great responsibility, a narration textbox does. Meaning that spiderman never had that lesson spelled out to him he just felt the weight of that responsibility. It's very possible that same thing happened with Tom Holland's Spiderman. He does say something very similar to Tony Stark in Civil War and clearly understands that responsibility but he's never heard the words before until now. We'll just have to see.

Max: Is there a black Spider-Man? Wait till he meets Miles Morales.

@dingkong5034

2 жыл бұрын

The exaggerated swagger of a black teen

I do agree with you on how it was disappointingly fast to get rid of the charges. We didn’t even have a court scene. But that didn’t stop the citizens of New York from hating on Spider-man to the point of throwing a brick at him. It did not stop the cops from shooting him. Has still had to work hard to earn is right as a hero to the citizens of New York.

This movie sort of implies that Uncle Ben wasn't ever there in MCU Peter's life, which contradicts both Civil War and What If..... Ok What If could just be explained as an alternate universe but still the line in Civil War, it'll need to be explained in Freshman Year

@JohnSmith-lt1ck

2 жыл бұрын

I don’t think the contradiction with the What If episode can be explained that easily. Everything that happens in those alternate universes is exactly the same as the main universe … *up until a certain point* In the zombie episode, that change happens in Ant-Man and The Wasp, which takes place two years after Civil War.

@sirdrake1857

2 жыл бұрын

@@JohnSmith-lt1ck I mean, supposedly yes, but also, in the Ultron episode, they make Ultron destroy Ego even though he was supposed to be already dead by that point, Thanos has the Power Stone, yet Xandar is fine...honestly, that might just be What If not doing its homework on that one

@thespectaculargamernerd8114

2 жыл бұрын

I saw someone mention a run in the comics where Peter even though lost of Uncle did superheroics simply because of how he was raised. I see the MCU in a similar case. Peter's shown a decent bit of responsiblity on a small scale but you could interpret since he started so young as Spider-Man, he did heroics not fully understanding and parts of homecoming and far from home fit that. Peter's obsession with the avengers, wanting to avoid his responsiblity in far from home, add No Way Home and the trilogy as a whole works best as a origin trilogy.

@JohnSmith-lt1ck

2 жыл бұрын

@@sirdrake1857 Agreeing with the bit about Ego because GoTG 2 is supposed to happen around a year before Age of Ultron. But I’m not 100% sure about the thing with Thanos because Infinity War takes place 3 years *after* AoU.

@sirdrake1857

2 жыл бұрын

@@JohnSmith-lt1ck Thanos gets the Power Stone by decimating Xandar, so yes, it should be destroyed.

It's probably a case of the Loki where them being cured casues a variant timeline

@theirishpotato6588

2 жыл бұрын

True

I’m actually fine with may taking over for the uncle Ben arc, it’s been done twice already and it would just feel stale if we saw it again. And with the fact that we now know these spider men all co exist in different timelines it makes it that much easier to seallow

@Dwyer-nl9fz

2 жыл бұрын

To me it just doesn’t make any sense why he would be spider-man if theirs no uncle Ben moment before. Like that’s the whole reason he becomes a hero and chooses to use his powers for good. But ah well he has his reason to keep going on now.

I wonder if we'll get an extended cut of this one. Though hopefully not the DLC-style Far From Home got.

So a few things: Ned figuring out magic fast - I don't have a problem with this. Strange took a long time to figure it out because he didn't really believe in magic OR himself. Ned believes in both, he's much more open minded. It would take him years to get good at it, so I'm fine with natural talent allowing him to be able to open, but not close, portals, and not with a lot of accuracy. The final battle stops for chit chat - really only once. All the jokes and catching up on villains and web shooters happens BEFORE all the villains show up. There's only one break in the action after that, which is when they talk about needing to work as a team. Which, sure, is unrealistic. But it's just kinda how giant third acts work with lots of characters. Everyone goes back to their deaths - Otto probably does. Which is sad, but no one else does. Why bother with stabbing Tobey? To startle you. It's a jump scare, it's fine. tbh we really should've expected the Venom thing, it fits the entire vibe of the venom movies perfectly. And I thought it was hilarious I feel the same way I do after all of your phase 4 videos, which is that I think you're being too harsh on stuff.

@doomwangus2080

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed, like I respect the videos points but also feels like most, If not all of the negative points mentioned are very easy to rationalize.

The villains get sent home and but survive because they’ve been cured in the MCU. They’re no longer the same versions that were originally taken from the original timelines, so them being sent back creates parallel timelines to that of the Tobey and Andrew films. Tobey and Andrew get sent back to their exact points, because they never changed. Tobey still lives in his original timeline where Norman, Otto, Harry are all dead, but the cured Norman gets sent to a now parallel timeline where he doesn’t become the Goblin anymore. Otto is a tricky one because when he was taken, his machine was already on the flux, so it’s almost safe to say that even though he’s sent to a new timeline, he still experienced the same fate as his original ending. This goes for all the villains. Hope that helps anyone confused!

I went to the very first premiere in germany in the biggest room completely full of people and no one made a single noise except for me and the bois

A few notes: 1)You say that they stop the final fight to chat but the examples you bring happened before the fight started. When they stopped the fight was for a few seconds to talk strategy or when they cure someone. I don't remember stoping just to crack jokes. 2)The idea is that they die "fighting spider-man". So if they get cured they don't fight and so they don't die. If doc Oc returns before his death and he is good he has a few extra seconds or minutes to stop the machine.

I think Toby worked they made him kind of saccharine and sincere, sort of lighthearted, also they made it so his ideals solidified after those movies, my problem was that he didn’t get enough interaction with the Raimi villains

It makes sense that the final battle doesn’t feel dangerous (apart from the goblin v Tom fight) because it’s a 3v3 and all the Spider-Men have already beat these villains.

@abstractmedia8379

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, u right and it’s been years since they’ve done it. Even one of them said in the beginning of the final battle, “I’ve cured him before, it’s no problem” so it makes sense that the attitude from them would be a little laxed. Minus MCU Peter’s. He’s the one this effects the most and he shows that as well. Also, their banter for the most part was before the villains even showed up to the Statue of Liberty, it would make sense that they’d talk and get to know each other right before the big fight.

@DoubleO88

2 жыл бұрын

@@abstractmedia8379 Yeah this reviewer is really overthinking and missing key things

@keving5004

2 жыл бұрын

@@DoubleO88 it makes sense he’s a really big fan but after rewatching and discussing he might understand

In my theater everyone clapped and wooed at everything, and there was this Chad in a Spiderman outfit orchestrating the crowd

About the Aunt May and the responsibility speech: In the comics, it's never actually said by Uncle Ben, or anyone really. It's said by the narrator (Stan Lee). Raimi movies changed that and gave the speech to Uncle Ben, so I'm fine with this. Hell! The saying in the Raimi isn't even the right one. The actual saying is, "With great power, there must also come great responsibility." Not, "With great power comes great responsibility." Edit: Him almost killing Norman is completely in character. In the comics, when Aunt May got by Kingpin's order and was lying at her death bed. Peter hunted down Fisk, humiliated him infront of an entire prison. Beat the shit out of him and almost made him choke on Web Fluid. He then tore down image of invincibility and promised him that if Aunt May dies, then Peter will kill him. And I honestly believe he would have, if May died. And in an alternate universe, where MJ got shot and killed instead of May. Peter killed the shooter and punched a hole through Fisk.

@Coreisus

2 жыл бұрын

Didn't he break Fisks jaw in that encounter? Just grabbed it with his fist and yanked down.

here in ireland there's also never any cheers or claps. but there was a cinemawide gasp when matt murdock's cane was on screen. heard a few "oh my god"s aswell. and there were claps and cheer when andrew and tobey were introduced which was really cool. edit: just remembered, so many shocked people when he said "i'm something of a scientist myself" so cool lmao

One thing on my mind after the leaving the cinema. So ok, MJ now doesn’t remember Peter is spider-man, but what about things like photos on her phone of them together? Clothes he potentially left at her house, all the little things that she could see that she’d have no idea about. I get that the point is that there’s no going back from this, but given the insanity it would cause that there’s all these pictures and memories of a boyfriend you don’t remember, it’d be nice to just have it acknowledged. I was there wondering why Peter wouldn’t at least show her a picture of the two of them. As I said, I get that it would undo some of the emotional weight and I don’t wanna be those people that drills deep into the tiniest of things (not even gonna call it a plot hole) it’s just something that came to mind.

@sodokami6347

2 жыл бұрын

That’s a good point

@abstractmedia8379

2 жыл бұрын

I was wondering about that about the whole world in general. Wouldn’t people have videos saved and/or online of Peter’s face as Spider-Man? I’m assuming the spell just wipes everything away from everyone but Peter.

@theirishpotato6588

2 жыл бұрын

@@abstractmedia8379 agreed

@diannajennings266

2 жыл бұрын

@@abstractmedia8379 Everything gets erased...

I love how Marvel duped us by not showing the origin story of Tom Holland'd Spider-Man(making us think that they skipped the Uncle Ben ark), only for us to find out that this iteration of Spidey doesnt have an uncle Ben, and that Holland Trilogy IS the origin story! They really playing 5D chess. ( also its pretty clear that uncle Ben was never involved with Tom's spidey. Because May was supposed to be his Ben.)

I wonder how this one is going to fare on rewatches given that it's much more of an event 20 years in the making than just a film.

I’ve never understood why people think uncle Ben matters SO much. It’s not the character that matters. Like in any way at all. Uncle Ben as a character does not matter, but what does is the lesson he teaches. All Peter needs to learn to be Spider-Man is the whole with great power thing. That’s it.

Look in Peter's defense I didn't even know you could plead for a reconsideration into MIT

I loved the ending, I'm so excited for the the future of these films

I mean all respectfully disagree it's fan service and it's fan service and done right and I thought it was a triumphant return of Sam Raimis Spider Man. I think they blended the 3 live action movie version of spider man together in a beautiful cohesive pod that's really about loss and responsibility. Is Peter Parker loses so much in this and has to sacrifice so much in order to protect his friends and family and and it feels like a classic spider man film it's everything that I've ever wanted in the spider man film it ties up all of the loose ends from the Andrew Garfield and Tobey Mcguire error film franchises that ended so abruptly many years ago and I think it's one of the greatest superhero movies of all time and I think it's going to be remembered for many years to come. I wouldn't rate this movie any lower than an 8

Electro didn't get mad because Spider-Man forgot his name. Just watch Cosmanaut's video on it. He explains how if that actually happened, it would have made sense, but he actually gets angry for a different reason

@spookyboi339

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah he was listening to spidey and he didn’t understand what he even was and the police said to hold fire but then electro went to walk towards to Spider-Man to go with him but his electricity from wires in the ground made a spark thing n a police officer took a shot and it made him go off

In Philippines NHW is not postponed because of COVID. It was postponed due to stupid annual local film Festival.

21:48 I noticed that in the movie the spider-man were focusing on fixing the villains powers and their personalities. No one ever mentioned in the movie that the time have stopped in the other universes, which means that if they spent a day in the MCU universe, it's also been a day in their universes as well, they were worried that if they return to their universes again with their powers and their evil personalities they were gonna fight spiderman again and die even if time was still moving in the other universes, but if they return after a day with no powers or evil personalities they can still live because they won't fight spiderman. This doesn't really fix all the issues with the movie, but I believe this is the explanation. But because they didn't make it clear where or when the villains gonna be when they go back it became confusing.

The only audience reaction we had in my cinema was when Andrew arrived and it was super brief. Other than that it was dead silent throughout.

@theirishpotato6588

2 жыл бұрын

Can't relate

@Anitoch

2 жыл бұрын

Meanwhile my theater started screaming every 5 seconds after Andrew and Tobey came

I would’ve liked to Tobey come through the portal wearing his suit, or a big moment with him where he has a talk with Tom. That might sound super fan servicey but idk

I will put this as the best of the Holland spiderman movies BUT that's only because of the legacy characters.. The only real thing I liked about the Holland storyline is by the end we might FINALLY get a spiderman in Manhattan focused ona spider villain in the next movie..

@thomasjohnson1885

2 жыл бұрын

Then the movie failed at what it’s supposed to do

@mullaoslo

2 жыл бұрын

@@thomasjohnson1885 yeah it kinda did.. But all the multiple villain spiderman movies become a mess.. At least I got to see the characters I actually like on screen one last time

@kingkong9892

2 жыл бұрын

@@mullaoslo at least now tom has a tech less suit

@mullaoslo

2 жыл бұрын

@@kingkong9892 the last suit looked amazing.. He finally looks like spiderman

@kingkong9892

2 жыл бұрын

@@mullaoslo exactly! This new suit at the end is everything I wanted from mcu spidey

Damn bro I just started watching the video and skipped to the end and got bombarded with yelling damn😭

I was fully expecting to see Mr. Ditkovitch pop up in that final scene at the apartment, lol.

So are we just gonna skirt over the fact that Andrew admitted he started killing people after Gwen died. Kind of makes the ending of TASM 2 a lot more morbid when you think of what happened to rhino.

@milboxr9772

2 жыл бұрын

Ya honestly that would explain why there's graffiti calling spiderman a murderer in the morbius trailer, but then its the raimi suit in the graffiti so yea the Sony universe makes no sense tbh

Peter talking to MIT shows how he was a child and that was the purpose. I just don’t think you understood that part. The whole movie we see a huge change in Peter after he has to grow up from Mays death.

@kamkoqu

2 жыл бұрын

I kinda understand why Peter didn't talk or contact MIT bc personally, I'd assume there'd be nothing I could do - that a letter of rejection would be final, especially in Peter's case where he's accused of murder and other international crimes. People don't get hired just based on accusations by a couple people on the Internet, imagine your face being plastered internationally and a dead, seemingly-trustworthy magic man accusing you of being a psychopath.

@xXcooldude1004xx

2 жыл бұрын

@@kamkoqu yea I agree. Especially being a young kid. When I was that age 3 years ago I thought that stuff was final and talking to a admissions was impossible because they wouldn’t care. This is mostly because adults don’t care about kids much.

Yo Channel Pup I'm confused about something. If Morbius is before Let There Before Carnage, and they have Vulture from Homecoming, but also part of Venomverse, how is it that Vulture is in Morbius? Even though end of the movie Eddie was sent back.

-About the Peter spell part lmfao like he asks if it worked how would he know it’s messing up he doesn’t know magic and still thought the time stone was in possession by strange -He immediately perks up when Tobey says “the night uncle Ben died” ??? -Jesus how whiney can a spoiler talk be… they were talking about the villains BEFORE the fight how is this a critique -Andrew didn’t KNOW max before being electro hence WHY he said before max fell in the eels - Tom says he wants to kill Norman he doesn’t change his mind the entire battle he still has a lot of anger towards Norman - most of these issues are all easily explainable or just nitpicks that you’re overdramatic about

@eondb2586

2 жыл бұрын

Also it’s been confirmed they seem to be looking to bring Andrew and Tobey back for Secret Wars and even more projects after so it’s not all over

@thomasjohnson1885

2 жыл бұрын

@@eondb2586 Using rumors is not substantial answers to the criticisms now

@eondb2586

2 жыл бұрын

@@thomasjohnson1885 lmfao what rumors these are literally plot details ?

@eondb2586

2 жыл бұрын

@@thomasjohnson1885 and MyTimeToShineHello LITERALLY leaked everything ab NWH they’re more trustworthy then anyone else

I just felt like there were a lot of jingling keys to distract the audience from how little made sense in this movie

Actually, Electro was taken from the part when he was getting overloaded in TASM 2. I'm thinking the ones that previously died were returned to their universes but in the present.

You know alot of chit chat happened before the villians arrived when they were chilling waiting for them to show up

Correct me if I’m wrong but I didn’t think it took strange YEARS to sling ring again correct me if I’m wrong.

The electricity in the cinema here down under was very much the same, and that's not normal for us either. Everyone was excited and feeling it. Nicholas Hammond was my first live action Spidey and therefore my favourite until 2002, be lovely if we ever saw him again in the role somehow.

i think Tobey and Andrew cameos r not so good.. there are avg.. there enternece r normal and happens back to back.. i thought they would enter when someone is in danger

Btw- I'm calling it- Spiderman 4 will be Spiderman vs the venom symbiote left in the mid credits scene and then he will realize it is from another universe. Then either is that movie or a future movie, he will go and try to track down the original universe it came from and end up meeting countless versions of Venom from throughout the multiverse including the version from Spiderman 3 until he eventually finds Tom Hardy's Venom and they finally meet

Hell yeah good to hear honest opinions

I already knew about that Venom post credit scene, so I knew I was gonna be let down by that, but it was still hype regardless. It was leaked btw, a long time ago, the script for that scene got leaked online, so I was prepared.

sony can use people forgetting spidey /peter as loophole when Disney and sonu doesn't fails to make a deal

Also is John Campea gonna be in No Way Home?

I've also called it a soft reboot. I'm actually interested to see where MCU Peter goes now that he's taken like 4 steps into the right direction

Pup do you think uncle Ben exists in the mcu?

Pup you touched upon everything I thought of ! No dislike here

I feel like with the cards that the MCU were dealt, this was the best possible outcome. In terms of when the villains were brought in, Doc Ock can be explained relatively easy. He makes it clear that he was choking SpiderMan, which was right after Peter, in SpiderMan 2, suggested that they could shut down the fusion reactor. So my hopes are that, if everything worked, that they were able to shut down the machine in the Raimi-verse and create an alternate timeline there whenever Doc Ock returned. I’ll have to do my research in terms of when the other villains were brought in from their movies. But multiverse stuff is always a mess no matter the circumstances. I enjoyed the hell out of this tho. It was incredible imo

I think that Doc Ock (the one most at stake) gets to survive because he gets granted the arc reactor as a result of saving Electro. So he gets to override the device via the arc reactor or something.

Didnt electro get pulled from after the was exploded in the power grid? I thought he said he was fighting spiderman, disappeared and was gonna die?

I can understand how the movie's narrative could've cooked longer, but despite some weird writing I can't argue with the results. And I personally love the reset they gave Peter, so I hope the next movie is more of a "traditional" Spider-Man film with tighter writing

I feel like uncle ben died probably trying to stop someone like in tasm1 but it wasnt a direct consequence of Peter in any way, so uncle ben could have been more of an inspiration to continue doing the right thing with the powers he has. I feel this also makes what peter says in civil war make more sense that its not just straight up the great responsibility line