What we know is Pirelli tires, Showa suspension, and as @toohardfortheradiopodcast previously mentioned, their own high revving engine utilizing the desmodromic valve design.

@cutndry4165

8 ай бұрын

Because they aren't serious.

@robertgowdey

8 ай бұрын

What happened to Bridgestone? Seriously ?

@adamwelsh5744

8 ай бұрын

@@robertgowdeypirelli is the euro dunlop

I heard some Italian say it has a high reving desmo engine. Essentially it has a third cam to close the valves instead of valve springs. Should be interesting!

Ever owned a Ducati, had a 900 monster.. so well built and quick.. think the factory will punch out an awesome machine.the Japanese make stuff, the Italians perfect it😜👍🏼 looking forward to seeing 💯

I’m mortal and honest so I really don’t need a 450. I’ve always enjoyed being the underdog in some peoples eyes because of bike choice. I’m looking for a new yz250 for spring, no not an F

@garysavala665

8 ай бұрын

Good for you way more fun than a four stroke . Yz are bad ass bikes .

@user-se7vt5ow4e

7 ай бұрын

@@garysavala665Yes they are. My next bike will be another 300 two stroke. Thr Rieju 300 checks all the boxes for me.

@CoralReefkid

7 ай бұрын

I love downplaying my skill level on a 125 at the dunes and then leaving the 450s behind 40+ year olds panting trying to keep up 😰 😂

AC and Lupino have been friends since childhood. It's really cool seeing both of them tag - teaming this. You can bet Ducati will come out swinging.

I just did a "remote viewing" on this bike and "saw" that is has a 3hp advantage over the KTM, but immediately got a strong smell of chicken linguini alfredo and got thrown off track. Merry Christmas to you too!

@Johnny_Hopper

8 ай бұрын

Ooooo

Just started two years ago. Great timing!

having and still own a few ducati street bikes, my biggest issue is a actual dealer and support. if it breaks sit back and wait is all you can do and you best learn how to fix things yourself. in NC have to go to atlanta? at the time. and no its 9 hr drive to the nearest dealer. but being a certified suzuki , honda ,yamaha tech i fix them myself. issue is getting the dam parts... i hope triumph and ducati truly succeed but , imo don't even sell a product here if your goal is to have what a few dealers across the country.. i work on a lot of older ducati's can they make a quality machine yes but they best spread there wings and commit.

Why don’t they throw a 350 top end on the triumph and let Joey ride the 450 class…

@HPRaceDevelopment

8 ай бұрын

not allowed has to be a homologatee bike

@bobbygilbert6955

8 ай бұрын

​@@HPRaceDevelopmenthe could ride it in the 450 class as a 250 and develop it more tho and he should

@HPRaceDevelopment

8 ай бұрын

@@bobbygilbert6955 yep but not as a 350

@nicoloco5923

8 ай бұрын

It would take them a year to make it according to their track record and how they released the bike to begin with lol

@keelangerken5154

8 ай бұрын

​@@HPRaceDevelopmentaren't they allowed to run big bores in the 450 class, it just can not exceed 450cc and must be based off of a factory bike including production design castings, suspension, frame, and swingarm?

Lovin all the new bikes. I always dig your unique perspective.

I want a little Beta 200 two stroker

I hope it becomes the Lamborghini of dirtbikes, and not the FIAT of dirtbikes

@Robi86

3 ай бұрын

Ducati is owned by Audi. Lamborghini is owned by Audi as well…

Merry Christmas to you and yours, and happy holidays to all the fans, including Cooksey.

That promo makes me want a glass of Chianti 🍷

P.S. Japan must be crapping a brick, man. It's over {the long rein of Japanese bikes}

Merry Brapmus Johnny EFFIN Hopper. BWAAAAAA!!!!

@Johnny_Hopper

8 ай бұрын

merry fn christmas brother

Thanks Hopper for all the content

@Johnny_Hopper

8 ай бұрын

appeericate you brothel

Not sure why people call any euro bike a “rebranded KTM”, see people saying that about Triumph (aluminum frame and not WP suspension), Beta (very own in house everything and KYB), TM (definitely not a KTM).

@baby-sharkgto4902

8 ай бұрын

One thing I’ve come to notice is that most people are really, really fucking dumb.

No braaaaaaaaaaappppp? I'm only here for the braaaaaaaaaaappppp.... sigh

@teamflanneloutdoors5631

8 ай бұрын

2-Stroke Enduro model would be EAF.

With so many 4stroke manufacturers coming on board with more choices could spark another Japanese brand to bring back 2stroke like Yamaha has?

Renthal fat bars, Cairoli uses them.

Yes, I'll buy two of them,right now,get me joe kid!! Harlan,get me joe kid!

It’s not gonna be a copy of a KTM at all, it will be their own thing. Ducati’s first year in motoE, first time making an electric motor. They made the bike not only more powerful than the company that supplied the bikes before but also made it 60lbs lighter. Ducati don’t copy, they are Ducati.

@husaberg650

8 ай бұрын

Except when its the Ducati 916. 916 designer Massimo Tamburini admitted years later he took design cues from the Honda NR750, like under seat exhaust, single sided swingarm and twin headlights.

Nissin hydraulic clutch and front brake, aluminum frame and black plastics are things I spy

@Realstealfan

8 ай бұрын

How can you tell it’s a nissin brake?

@baby-sharkgto4902

8 ай бұрын

@@Realstealfan because it looks like it 🤓 might be something else though. But that is 💯 an aluminum frame and black plastic…. 2 out 3 ain’t bad 🤣

The Ducati dirt bike will most likely have the trellis frame, excel rims, Showa suspension, standard swingarm (for strength - the single sided unit is better for road applications), production exhaust will be conglomerate from zadi or Remus to meet emissions, whereas racing exhaust will be termignoni or akrapovic (most likely akrapovic). Engine will probably mimic the superquadro design like the hypermotard 698 minus the structural aspect of the engine. And will have a full electronics package through an app subscription like KTM or a mini tft display. Ducati has been a pioneer in production electronics and will most likely make this available - BEWARE of the price tag ! It’ll be 5 figures EASY!

Thanks

“Cairoli leaving KTM, his entire career on KTM” Ermmm no, he started on Honda, then went to Yamaha for many years before switching to KTM

@jasonjessup8078

8 ай бұрын

Yeah I caught that too.

@S0RELOSER

8 ай бұрын

Hopper says stupid shit every other sentence.

@kirkdunn1379

8 ай бұрын

won a couple of titles with Yamaha i believe

@ohboy2118

8 ай бұрын

Nothing like doing some research. His success at Yamaha was the reason KTM wanted him.

@gildo101rossi

8 ай бұрын

@@kirkdunn1379 won with them in 250 & moved to 450 & won with them again.

Stark: we need electric because all MX tracks in europe are shutting down due to noise. Ducati: hold my beer.

Stark all the way, no need for aftermarket, less work on the bike, already with good suspension, no need to rebuild the engine at 50 to 100h depending on who you are and paying extra 1000$ each times.

@mxriderdakar

8 ай бұрын

@peteh8077 i tried one and ordered one. I'll also keep my yz450f. The Varg is good for most of us. And yes it is, i personnaly found it in some area heavy, but has lot of benefit. Wasn't at my maximum speed so felt it a little more in turns, landing and braking. Was allowed to ride it just 3 lapse. Have you?

They also won in WSBK last year and this year. 22/23. Will probably win in 24 too. They are definitely winning in Moto GP in 2024

The problem is, The seeds of the aspirations by the new players in the sport/off road like Triumph ,Vaarg and Ducati were sown in the pre covid era.Today's stark economic reality may put some of the new manufactures ,best laid plans to rest. Only time will tell but I'm not buying any exotic unless I can get parts from at least the local 7-11

@teamflanneloutdoors5631

8 ай бұрын

Look at the brand's under the CPD direct umbrella💡 order parts online, shipped to your door, your dealer gets a cut😎THIS is going to be the new normal. And it's not like you don't have to order a freaking clutch cable from your honsuzkawaha superstore anyway, So...

Would be neat if the Duke had Ohlins all round 🙂

As a former Ducati mechanic I'm stoked on this but honestly Desmo is a non starter for the MX market. People are not going to like, or in some cases be mentally capable of dealing with how extra weird and fiddly the valve adjustments are. On the road bikes back in the day we did 6-8000km valve adjustments, roughly 1/4 the time of a normal sport bike. They've improved a lot in the service interval times for the road machines, but still. MX valve adjustment intervals and Desmo are either going to make dealers a lot of money off of vet class rich guys or lead to a lot of poorly maintained, clapped out bikes in a couple years.

Only problem I see for the Italian series if the got competition that is on 250 2strokes.. and good.. but the Maddi team that is running the Ducati and before the fantic team.. the know they competion and it will be at least a 2-3 position in every race.. if not 1st.. And for the Ducati and triumph marketing I guess it will be like a factory edition ktm with all the extras.. Because to much ppl spent everything on the „powerparts“ catalogue so For this ppl.. they can ride a 15000 bucks bike and spent on a rpm meter on top.. get the sweater and the Ducati baseball cap And good to go..

HappyHoliday wishes right back at you Brother- To you and your loved ones.

Hopefully the Ducati's will be as good as TM.

3 buttons.....electric start, kill, traction control/map select?

If im buying a new bike im sticking with one of the big three and no eb. Kawi Honda Yami...Maybe wait and see what Ducati brings to the table.

Coming from 10+ years working on Ducati Roadbikes i bet they dont spare on this bike. It will be a racebike just like if you look at an R version of their roadbike lineup. This is really intresting stuff,cant wait to se it🔥 Borgo Panigale Ducati

Ducati don't need a hinson clutch basket .. they have been killing the clutch game for years and years

@teamflanneloutdoors5631

8 ай бұрын

Do they run Adige? Adige is Italian...

@anthonyboulus9042

8 ай бұрын

@teamflanneloutdoors5631 rizoma is another they run but dry clutch .. obviously the off road bike will have a wet clutch but definitely no need for a american brand no disrespect . They have designed there own tourqe locking system like rekluse

Merry Christmas Hopper! Would want Santa to bring me a Stark first and foremost out of the new bikes.

Savatgy should pump up the CC's on that 250 and run some selected Supercross races in the 450 class. Maybe some tracks that are know to be hard pack and slick ?!?!?

@toohardfortheradiopodcast

8 ай бұрын

That would be cool but they don't have the program for something like that yet. It would have to be a completely different bike than the one they just spent millions of dollars on. They'd be better off just signing another/different rider

@jimmycrawford3x

8 ай бұрын

Big bore kit... lol Or another eligible rider with some experience!@@toohardfortheradiopodcast

@holeshotinspectionllc2412

8 ай бұрын

250 is eligible to race 450 Supercross🏁🤙

@jimmycrawford3x

8 ай бұрын

ABSOLUTELY!!!!! A couple of peeps have races the KTM350 in the past... @@holeshotinspectionllc2412

Contraction control… for all the pregnant riders. Next level.

Hey Johnny, what do you know about Yamaha talking about not having dealerships anymore?

@Johnny_Hopper

8 ай бұрын

Interesting I will have to look into this.

It is true that KTM became the brand to be on after Dungey was winning over there, but its not exactly the case that nobody was riding them since McGrath. Grant Langston had a lot of success on KTM over here in his lites days and then you had Mike Alessi when he first turned pro running up front on a KTM 450. Also you had Ken Roczen winning the 250 west sx championship in 2013 on a KTM, and in 2014 he moved up to the 450 class and won the mx championship his rookie season on a KTM 450sxf a year before Dungey won his first championship on the KTM. You also had John Dowd in the early 2000’s getting top tens and multiple podiums in both the 125 and 250 class aboard a KTM. So they were definitely having success before Dungey went over there, its just that they completely Dominated once Dungey came over. Def not the case that nobody wanted to be there before Dungey though.

@MX-CO

8 ай бұрын

It wasn't anyone's first choice before Dungey, people said it was career suicide when he went there!

@teamflanneloutdoors5631

8 ай бұрын

There can only be one winner. Motocrosser's are like lemmings. Dungey wins races and championships on a pumpkin-every tom, dick, and harry rushed out to join the "winning team"💡 Nobody gives two shits and a fuck bout that 3rd,4th place crap you speak of.

@bobbygilbert6955

8 ай бұрын

Dungey moved to ktm in 2012!!! He won the 450 sx champ on suzuki in 2010 then decoster went to ktm in 2011 and dungey went in 2012 bc he was still under suzuki contract for 2011.... Roczen musquin and all the others you meantioned besides alessi amd lamgston was after that!! Also alessi was on suzuki in his early years then went to ktm after he was dropped by them and he never done that great on a ktm he actually stayed hurt alot more than he did on the rm...mcgrath only signed with ktm race one race that wasnt even a series event and then decided not to race the ktm at all in sx he returned on a honda for his unretirement stent....decoster and dungey made ktm what they are today they was a last resort for riders before they began building it in 2011/2012

@user-mm1nt1it5v

8 ай бұрын

@@bobbygilbert6955 sorry youre right but the point still remains that dungey did not win on the ktm until 2015 which came after roczen winning the 450 mx title on ktm, and the others mentioned having success as well. As I mentioned once Dungey went there (and RV retired) he started dominating so that really raised KTMs profile to be the premier brand after that for a while, but it wasnt like they were chopped liver before. They werent seen as an HRC until after Dungey, but ppl were still having success over there.

I can't ride a bike half as good as an amateur. Did you see the SSR 300 CNC triple tree, aluminum wheels 2006 showa style suspension. 5000k that's what I wanna buy haha!

I had a Ducati street bike; it was honestly the worst handling motorcycle I ever owned and I sold it right away. I would have rather road a dirt bike on the road than that. They do look and sound very nice.

@atilhun348

8 ай бұрын

Either the tires were flat or you suck at ridding, because nothing handles on the road like a Ducati. Just ask the guys at the MotoGP.

@robertmcghee3646

8 ай бұрын

@@atilhun348 maybe the model (scrambler) I had handled like shit then, the tires were not flat. I'm not the best rider but I've been riding dirt bikes and street bikes for about 35 years now. To put it into perspective I had a 2016 KTM 500 EXC that handled the roads almost as well as the 2019 Ducati Scrambler did. I can't imagine Ducati (this late in the game) is going to make a competitive dirt bike.

@ShaunHensley

7 ай бұрын

@@robertmcghee3646scrambler is a hipster bike, I would expect it to handle like a klr

@robertmcghee3646

7 ай бұрын

@@ShaunHensley Agreed and True! I wouldn't expect it to handle great either but it felt so unstable riding on the highways, like riding a moped going 75mph. I can't imagine it would have felt that same instability on an equivalent Honda/Kawa/KTM/etc. It was my only experience riding a Ducati and left a bad taste in my mouth.

@ShaunHensley

7 ай бұрын

@@robertmcghee3646 that’s fair enough

i know it has massive good torque and all red saw some factory pics from a workers

braaaaappppppppp

This should be good considering the smackdown Ducati has put on the big three Japanese makes in MotoGP.

Quick shifters don’t use a button on the bars. Not sure how you don’t know that.

Ducati is owned by Audi / Volkswagen. Basically a german brand. Kenny on Ducati soon?

Brrrraaaappppp

Cairoli was Yamaha for a long time winning multiple titles on a Yamaha

I would prefer to buy a bike that’s affordable!! Everything seems to become an elite sport!!!!

Dude, 3 buttons....starter on the throttle, kill at the clutch, and whatever maps...

Does anybody know if the cam is chain or belt driven?

@marksrc-ri9jf

7 ай бұрын

if its based of the same platform as there new 698 mono engine it will be chain driven desmo cam timing witch im assuming it will be just a downsized 698 mono engine to a 450cc

Cairoli won 250 world titles on Yamaha. KTM just bought him to finally get some titles

Isnt there a rule that in order to race the bike for supercross that the bike has to be available to purchase? I still havent seen anybody with one

@adamwelsh5744

8 ай бұрын

I think mxgp has different rules, but yes they have to have so many available for sale in the US to race smx

#holeshot

aluminium tank ?

I don’t think they will be competitive upon launch. Maybe in a few seasons

NO braa??

I hope MX SX Motorcycle sports continues to add more but AMA needs to be inclusive and not block new tech coming into the sport. IF they do it could end the sport entirely or the AMA. Racing will evolve AMA or not.

@rockman4699

8 ай бұрын

If by new tech you mean electric bikes, the AMA needs to put them in their own class. They blew it with the four stroke displacements and we don't need another mistake letting electric bikes race with ICE

@jamesadams2334

8 ай бұрын

The AMA will always succeed even if mx went under. OTOH, if mx goes to electric bikes, the sport will die within 1 1/2 years. You will have riders racing them but the spectators will drop like flies and halfway through the second season it will be stopped because without attendance of spectators the money is gone. No one wants to watch a silent bike race. At that point ANY racing that evolves will be the MXGP and WSX. They are not stupid enough to go with electric bikes.

@Lancer2004

8 ай бұрын

@@jamesadams2334formula E moment

@adamwelsh5744

8 ай бұрын

@@jamesadams2334real fans still want to watch races, doesn’t matter what bikes they’re on

@yodatw

7 ай бұрын

@@rockman4699 I agree with E bikes needing their own class, but no I mainly mean Gas or internal combustion manufacturers. They make it very hard for new manufacturers to join AMA sanctioned events and it has to be open to new tech and new manufacturers. I mean look how open Moto GP is now or even F1 car racing, and it really helped grow the sports on that end.

Not a fan of the brand, but they are making Triumph look like amateurs with making progress but keeping it to themselves instead of the endless publicity. And it will be THEIR engine!

Which of the Japanese manufacturers will drop out first now that the big boy bike manufacturers are throwing their hat into the ring??

Looks like aluminum frame

Johnny the Stark is not 15-20 grand. It's 12.9k 😅

@Johnny_Hopper

7 ай бұрын

oops thx man

@mxgryan

7 ай бұрын

@@Johnny_Hopper much love bro

Screw all the buttons etc what about the freaking engine.

Stark…vomit

The sad thing is that only rich people can afford to buy a bike theses day with interest rates so high and the economy the way it is. I'm one of the lucky ones that could afford a new bike. I sure wish you didn't change the time of hour pod cast Johnny. I'm sure the team bike is tricked out and the stock bike will be set up with cheap components and then you will be paying for the brand name which is pricey.

Hopper, for a guy who learned to ride a dirt bike so well, it's surprising how much guffy shit comes out of your mouth about dirt bikes. You don't see a logo on the exhaust? The triple clamps do look like so and so's triple clamps? Do you really think after market companies know more about making the bikes perform better than the manufacturers do? There's a reason a production rule went into effect. There is a reason that every rider wanted a Factory Bike. And still today why only a handful of racers get "factory parts". The pipe doesn't have a logo on it...come on, now.

@EnglertRacing96

8 ай бұрын

Tons of parts get outsourced......

@bmotomo421

8 ай бұрын

@@EnglertRacing96 Tons? Can you be a little more specific.

@adamwelsh5744

8 ай бұрын

@@bmotomo421bars, clamps, suspension, chain, sprocket, plastic, air filter, oil filter, wheels, tires, etc. like he said, tons of parts

@bmotomo421

8 ай бұрын

@adamwelsh5744 Those are all generic items. And sourced by many manufacturers. I'm speaking of the proprietary parts that make the motorcycle a Honda, Yamaha, KTM, Kawasaki, or Suzuki.

@EnglertRacing96

8 ай бұрын

@bmotomo421 tons.... forks and shocks, rims, spokes, brake rotors, calipers, master cylinders, radiators, starters, ecu, throttlebodies, handlebars, bearings, clutches, sparkplugs, exhaust or mufflers, alot of times pistons and rods are done by mahle/pankl, Depending on brand size many things can be outsourced some castings like tripple clamps or a whole engine like aprilia used to use rotax engines... Now mind you many of these parts may be oe spec, but many things made by outside vendors. And it's going to vary between mfgs.... honda will be different than a tiny brand like sherco or TM

Make Euro bikes weird again.

Cairoli is jumping ship to a proven company that is "ITALIAN". Of course that wouold be his dream!

Just a different color KTM

@Natedoc808

8 ай бұрын

Never mind completely different frame construction and not WP suspension

@baby-sharkgto4902

8 ай бұрын

That makes no sense it has an aluminum frame

@drum_997

8 ай бұрын

Its the same engine

@baby-sharkgto4902

8 ай бұрын

@@drum_997 no

@Natedoc808

8 ай бұрын

@@drum_997 Ducati isn’t using a KTM motor, they’re fairly bitter rivals right now

Cairoli raced yamahas in begining of his career!!! Not his entire career on ktm 🤦🏻‍♂️

If Ducati expects to dominate mx like they did moto gp they’re wrong. The bike can be great but without jettson on it they won’t win any titles in the US.

This makes no sense Why would a company spend 10s of millions of dollars for little to no return in dollars....this won't last long

Desmo