Honestly there is one aspect of this that the show really didnt explore that makes this test much harder for Deanna, shes an empath. Could you imagine not just ordering someone to their death but then having to feel every emotion and thought going through their head at that point.

@nathanielhellerstein5871

Жыл бұрын

Then the test is incomplete for Troi. HoloGeordi has no emotions.

@POTheta001

Жыл бұрын

Geordi was a hologram. No feelings. Gotta wonder if she'd look at the real Geordi differently after this test though.

@georgehenderson7783

9 ай бұрын

After she gave the order condemning Geordi to his death, Geordi should have said, Nice knowing you, Commander."

@Jayteaseepiirturi

7 ай бұрын

@@nathanielhellerstein5871 Doesn't matter. Empath or not, you need to have the stomach for the decision. And Geordi, real or not, has to be prepared to carry out the order. Fiirst duty is to the ship.

I love how he gave her both of the hints she needed without directly saying it. Her first duty is to the ship is the main answer. But there was another hint in his answer that revealed it. As an engineering exam, the fact that the answers aren't in the tech manuals is unspeakable, meaning it was a different test under the mask on engineering.

I was hoping that they'd promote Deanna to Captain. So then when she said "I sense anger" when someone's shouting at her, calling her "Captain Obvious" would, in fact, be entirely accurate to her new rank.

@tuchehstone

2 жыл бұрын

Well, she ended up being a commander at the end.

@TheCoolProfessor

Жыл бұрын

The new captain of the U.S.S. Freud.

And Geordi?..... Yes commander? Be sure to put on a red shirt before you go

I love Troi as a character but since my childhood Ive loved her hair.

So glad they decided to finally give Troi some real substance during the final years of the show. She looks good in that uniform.

@Deader87

4 жыл бұрын

Plus I just love how modest and classy her outfit here is too. I generally love cleavage but her other low cut catsuit outfit however is a definite exception to that rule a sucy I don't find it that attractive as a result.

@Esperi74

3 жыл бұрын

I suppose we can thank Captain Jellico for that.

@brownro214

3 жыл бұрын

She looks good period.

@ernstergarcia

2 жыл бұрын

@@Esperi74 you can also thank him for killing bob morton because he made a mistake. also for unlocking quaid's memories on mars.

@jerodast

2 жыл бұрын

@@ernstergarcia A man of many accomplishments 😂

1:12 Shows how much Riker knows Troi. He knew she would pick up on that and realise what the solution was.

@dhinton1

4 жыл бұрын

Will wanted Deanna to pass all along .... cuz he knew she COULD. and he literally answered her question.

@dhinton1

4 жыл бұрын

and he knew damn well she wouldn't let it go.

@beavis4play

4 жыл бұрын

it also shows how man will give a woman a LOT of leeway when he's getting a little something special from her every now and again.

@adrian993

4 жыл бұрын

I don't know...it could be a clue..but at the same time, he IS being honest in saying that he can't do her any favours because it's bad for the ship. It's too much of a leap between that and ordering Geordi to die for it to be a clue.

@anicetune

3 жыл бұрын

Let’s hope Riker’s around then for hints the day she’s actually in command and is struggling with problem #1467.

"Congratulations...you failed. Data was right over there, immune to the radiation. You would have ordered Geordi to a pointless death. And you're demoted...dismissed lieutenant."

@dumpeeplarfunny

2 жыл бұрын

In the exocomp episode in season 6, they say Data would be killed by radiation.

@EGarrett01

Жыл бұрын

@@dumpeeplarfunny Regardless, having Data in this situation changes the dynamic of the whole thing. He could potentially be repaired, the radiation may have some different effect, they'd have to pause to explain that, the audience wouldn't care the same amount (radiation death for a human is agonizing) etc. It was right that Data wasn't in the simulation.

@seannemo8076

5 ай бұрын

Even without Data, she shouldn't have sent Geordi. He's the Chief Engineer, and therefore Not Expendable. Any engineer with the skill to repair the conduit would be sent long before him. And that's also one of the hardest parts of command: Realizing that some people really _are_ more important than others aboard a ship.

who's here after just watching a clip of Deanna being the ranking person on the bridge and not knowing what the hell to do.

@beavis4play

4 жыл бұрын

no shit- when it was real, she was being led around like a baby.

@adamjacobschmidt

4 жыл бұрын

Step off!! jk

@jerodast

4 жыл бұрын

If you mean in Disaster, me :) It's actually great character progress that that one sets up her drive to qualify as a commander here, of course!

@christianealshut1123

3 жыл бұрын

@@jerodast I don't think Deanna failed in that episode where she was left in command; she learned to delegate to the right persons to do the job. And she held her own against Ro Laren who was challenging her at one point, which is not a small feat. Commanding officers will sometimes have lower-ranking officers openly questioning their decisions, and they have to deal with it without losing or abusing their authority.

@jerodast

3 жыл бұрын

@@christianealshut1123 I basically agree, although I wonder how it would've gone if Miles hadn't been there to help make sure things went by the book. What I was mainly referring to is is that Deanna herself says she felt unprepared and somewhat overwhelmed in "Disaster", so even though she got it done right in the end, it's awesome to see her following up with it even further here.

TROI: Geordi, could you repair the ODN conduit if you went into the crawl space? GEORDI: Umm, let me think about that one... no.

@Michel-xb3rl

3 жыл бұрын

Geordi is a starfleet officer, not an exocomp.

@Brian6587

3 жыл бұрын

hahahaha. I could imagine that in Geordi's voice.

@Soulsphere001

2 жыл бұрын

@@Michel-xb3rl Except that one of the Exocomp's knowingly sacrificed itself to repair that station.

@davfree9732

Жыл бұрын

Troi: Geordi, do we have radiation suits aboard? Geordi: Not until Tuesday.

In other news: I've coated this piece of cloth!

@richardleeskinneriii9640

3 жыл бұрын

Fucking great cut lol

@TheBOB235

3 жыл бұрын

With this scene I instantly knew what episode it was

I loved her in the blue uniform. Finally.

The "bottle ship" episodes from TNG were my favorite. It's here that we see the character development and become more informed of who they are and the struggles they face. I recommend these episodes, "Thine Own Self" from season 7, "The Drumhead" from season 4, and "Disaster" from season 5 if you wish to see what I'm referring to.

@user-do2ev2hr7h

2 жыл бұрын

This wasn't really a bottle episode. This was just the B-plot.

Like Commander Adama once said in the BSG 2008 series "Sometimes you gotta roll the hard six."

@JWilliamsLangley

3 жыл бұрын

Bridge officer: Lot of rookies down there, sir. Some of them won't be in suits. Tigh: "No one's a rookie after today. Vent the compartments or we're losing her."

@emeraldknight5522

3 жыл бұрын

Bridge officer: "Seal off..bulkheads 26 through 40.. it's an order." (Tigh turns the key and vents the compartments putting the fires out) "if they had their suits on.. they were prepared for possible vent action."

@JWilliamsLangley

3 жыл бұрын

@@emeraldknight5522 I can't find that clip on youtube

I wonder if this test was inspired by what happened in the Wrath of Khan. Nobody looked willing to order anybody to their death to save the ship when the Genesis device was activated and they needed the warp drive to escape.

@darkcoeficient

4 жыл бұрын

That's when Spock... Volunteered right?

@JamesJ30t

4 жыл бұрын

darkcoeficient -- Yep. kzread.info/dash/bejne/jKuCmdyOp8q3g6g.html

@burtonryan50

4 жыл бұрын

@@darkcoeficient it was

@burtonryan50

4 жыл бұрын

I don't think so. The reason I say so is because Star Trek also takes inspiration from great military stories. Just like Roddenberry was inspired by the Horatio Hornblower stories from his youth. Anyone, especially police or military officials will be in a no-win scenario whether they like it or not. The best laid plans would always be to figure out an alternative solution. Yet like Riker says you can keep trying to figure out a solution, but if you're still not getting anywhere, and if in the end you can't make that ONE big decision which will have personal consequences, like sacrificing someone's life to save others, then you really can't own up to the rank of command.

@christianealshut1123

3 жыл бұрын

Just what I thought myself. The interesting point is Kirk never ordered him to - Spock decided himself that this was what needed to be done and he did it. He practically took the burden of making that decision off Kirk's hands . He still went to his death and Kirk had to deal with that, but at least Kirk did not have to deal with having given the order that sent his friend to his death. Coming to think of it, it also strongly reminds me of the scenario in the movie K-19, where the sailors of a Russian nuclear submarine have to enter a reactor chamber to get a runaway reactor back under control. This was actually based on a real situation that happened in an actual submarine, and I wonder whether the scenario in TWOK wasn't inspired by this.

Later, Deannas first order as commander is to tell Jordy to clean the windows on the outside of the ship without a spacesuit.

This is the single best scene in the entire series. This should be played for every person before they take the oath as a military officer. Behind the cool technology, jumping out of helicopters, flying jets, etc. As an officer, you will make decisions about who lives and who dies. Too bad she couldn’t sacrifice her annoying mother.

She has beautiful eyes.

That's one of the many hard parts about leadership in any dangerous profession. Weighing who can achieve the result, who among those candidates will be most likely to be successful, and evaluating who can be afforded to be lost. If Geordi fails, or if there is a new problem, you have to have other plans in progress to deal with the new situation- the test shouldn't simply be to give the order, but to be able to continue to respond adequately while feeling the weight of what you've just done.

We must remember that while is great entertainment and we love the episodes, Star Fleet is still the military- a futuristic version of the navy to be exactly.

It seems Starfleet learned a lesson from Spock’s sacrifice in “The Wrath of Kang”. I was sure to teach this to my adult child who became a vet and was forced to place a cat to sleep today.

@tsukikaze7777

11 ай бұрын

Khan*

I don't like how none of the crew-mates including Worf even says goodbye when their friend is going off on a suicide mission. He even looks back. Not a word.

@Thurgosh_OG

5 ай бұрын

Holograms generally have no feelings, so HoloGeordi had no friends.

@Aeroldoth3

5 ай бұрын

@@Thurgosh_OGI wouldn't say they were heartless. After he left, I'm sure they all felt holo inside.

There are like 400 scenes of similar situations. They all start with the words, "now, I can't order you to do this ..."

It makes you wonder though, if it is the same test, how Dr. Crusher would have passed. As a physician, she would not have ordered someone to their death.

@mdd1963

4 жыл бұрын

Crusher was too damn fine....; her job would have been best at...well, never mind! :)

@youreale

4 жыл бұрын

Humm... Bervely have that angel face, but she's tough when necessary.

@JamesFrew1

4 жыл бұрын

Her first duty is to the well being of the whole. If she knew the outcome, she would make that decision.

@barb7124

4 жыл бұрын

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few

@carlousmagus5387

4 жыл бұрын

Dr. Crusher couldn't order someone to their Death, Commander Crusher on the other hand.....

Riker helps Troi cheat by pointedly giving her a huge clue.

He helped her cheat. He gave her the answer.

@russellmz

4 жыл бұрын

explaining what an officer's duty is to an officer candidate is not cheating. had he said, "sacrifices need to be made or not everyone makes" it would have been.

@calhoun24

3 жыл бұрын

Not necessarily. He only reminded her of what a bridge officer’s duty was: that the ship’s safety was a primary concern. As Troi stated before, she may not know everything technically about the ship, but it takes a certain level of officer to order someone to their potential death. Yes, that’s usually a voluntary duty to whoever is carrying it out, but someone needs to actually give that order, even if it means sacrificing one for everyone else. We have seen it so many times when a captain or a first officer orders a deck sealed off or people to hold position. It comes with the awesome responsibility of making sure there’s so many others live because of it.

@JOHNN01.82

3 жыл бұрын

He did help her cheat he gave her hints, plus her mind reading abilities

@wanner47

3 жыл бұрын

@@JOHNN01.82 she doesn't have mind reading abilities. She's an empath, not a telepath.

@JOHNN01.82

3 жыл бұрын

@@wanner47 still he says "As much as i care for you my duty to the ship comes first " he gave her the answer

She is so pretty ....

@AndrewChapman

5 жыл бұрын

I don't know why, but Troi actually looks prettier in Starfleet uniform than she does in her usual counselling clothes.

@vtrmcs

4 жыл бұрын

Well, she was actually a porn star before getting into acting. True.

@dunnono00

3 жыл бұрын

@@vtrmcs False. Old, old rumor.

@BedsitBob

2 жыл бұрын

@@vtrmcs She also appeared half naked, in Death Wish 3.

I used this as an example in a graduate school research paper years ago. When you're in a leadership position, there are times when you need to make hard choices and order someone to their death. That's your duty, as hard as it may be.

@lepolhart3242

4 жыл бұрын

Then that makes a so called leader no better than a murderer unless the leader is sacrificing one life to save many lives. A normal person could not sleep at night knowing they`d sent an innocent life to their death, only psychopaths can do so. That`s why many people in the elite are psychopaths as they don`t care about killing millions of people - many are in the military as well. I think the military don`t care about its soldiers thats why they`re treated like cannon fodder. There is no honour in that. And the soldiers that do return and have had to make such decisions and actually kill people come back screwed up in the head.

@jonw.3886

4 жыл бұрын

@@lepolhart3242 I understand what you're saying. My oldest brother had PTSD after he killed several Vietcong in hand to hand combat. His unit was ambushed and he was one of three to survive. So I'm not disagreeing with you. However, in this particular Star Trek scene, one of the duties of an officer is to order someone to their death if it's absolutely necessary. We could debate the moral and philosophical aspects of this all day, but if you're the person in charge, there are times where you have to make these kinds of decisions. That's your duty.

@adamjacobschmidt

4 жыл бұрын

@@jonw.3886 Agreed. Also, the crew is there by choice. Btw. I have a very interesting question for you based on your opinions so far. I've been trying to perfect and justify an "All Female Crew" made up of characters up to and including Star Trek ENT. Season 7 Troi is my first officer. Thoughts?

@adamjacobschmidt

4 жыл бұрын

When you reply, I'll list my complete crew for you to check out

@mooseclamps

3 жыл бұрын

Ill keep this in mind during my next manager shift at McDonald's

I love this scene.

And then, she crashes the enterprise...

@dhinton1

4 жыл бұрын

Thank goodness she was never a pilot. lol

@DavidEvans_dle

4 жыл бұрын

Yep defeated by a way inferior opponent with an old ship. Unworthy!

@lemonade_011

4 жыл бұрын

Lmao she was ordered the Sec time 🤣 but still gotta love Troi tho

@ralphangioli4852

4 жыл бұрын

I was at a convention years ago where Marina Sirtis joked about the crash scene in Generations where she said that planet just came from out of nowhere...LOL

@hiltonlive32grnrngr

3 жыл бұрын

@@dhinton1 she was, in Star Trek: Generations

Thank you very much, Richard Joganah, for uploading this crappy version of TNG so that we avoid it very extremely fast. Please note that this is my personal opinion and that it should be respected as such. ™

Wait, I thought the first duty of every Starfleet officer was to tell the truth?

@jerodast

3 жыл бұрын

That line was severely misinterpreted. Little known fact, while they were visiting Earth for that episode, Picard wanted to stay in close touch with Wesley's issues at the academy, he rented out an office that looked exactly like his ready room on the Enterprise. That office was located on the good ship USS The Truth in permanent orbit around Earth while the Enterprise was doing shuttle runs to Alpha Centauri. So you see...he really was confirming that Wesley's first duty was to The Truth. You know, from where he was standing at the time.

@adamjacobschmidt

3 жыл бұрын

Absolutely! TNG "First Duty" is one of my absolute favorites.

@adamjacobschmidt

3 жыл бұрын

@@jerodast Wow you know your stuff! May I Copy/Paste something? I have a challenge. I messaged this to @LCBanga ...Agreed! You changed my mind. I have a question for you. I value your opinion so please take the time to message your opinion. For years I've tried to message people and post in forums to get a consensus. The question (or challenge) is to assemble an All-Female Crew to go up against and all male crew. You can only use TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY and I suppose ENT. I have a very hard time with deciding who's the First Officer. You said Crusher and I have to agree that that's a safe bet, but I like to play around with Seven as the First Officer and Trio as a buffer between she and Janeway. I like to imagine the ship as a lot more aggressive, squared away, etc. (I was in the Navy by the way) But going with your Crusher as FO, my safe bet is Seven at Security and especially tactical on the bridge. With help from Yar at security, I think she would still have time to contribute greatly at Science and of course Engineering. So next is Con? See, I absolutely couldn't stand DS9, so I'm clueless as to where Kira and Dax would go? The Con, maybe? So far I have two Bajorans, Ensign Roe and, get this, Sito, Jaxa from the TNG episode, "Lower Decks" and "The First Duty". She was a stud, very underrated. She was a star pilot in school and sacrificed her life for the sake of Bajorans. I guess me biggest question is where does Kira and Dax go? Should Roe be somewhere else? I do like her as a pilot, but maybe Dax or Kira would be better. I need Ops, too! What about Kira at Ops and Dax at Science or wherever? Dax and Kira are where I'm clueless. Roe at Ops? Remember, Paris is an absolute stud piolet so getting this placement right is crucial. Well is Crusher is a command officer like you said, Dr. Pulaski is more than capable at Medical. It's interesting as hell to see what Kes could/would contribute other than Medical. Well, here's mine. It's the more aggressive one though I like Crusher as FO. Captain: Janeway (Duh) First Officer: Seven Counselor: Trio (she would be the absolute key to Seven and Janeway getting along and becoming a fantastic team greater than the sum of it's parts.) OPS: Dax (please help if there's a better fit) Security: Yar and Kira Tactical: Seven (on bridge) Con: Roe and Sito, Jaxa Medical: Crusher and Pulaski both

@captainbryce1

3 жыл бұрын

Context. The first duty of every Starfleet officer is to the truth (scientific, historical, or personal), but not every Starfleet officer is a Commander. The first duty of a "Captain" is to the ship! And that's what the bridge Officer's course is about - whether or not you can command a ship and make the appropriate decisions that put the ship first, even sacrificing a crew member.

@rudolphg76

3 жыл бұрын

Originally the first duty of a Starfleet Officer was to say your prayers and take your vitamins. But they got sued by WWE so they changed it to always tell the truth.

They really need to do something about the gremlins in their consol pannels making KZread videos and forwarding them to the 21st century.

The lesson I learned here was always to listen to people even when you are yelling because there may be something to help you buried in there the whole time.

She's way sexier in the Starfleet uniform

@adamjacobschmidt

4 жыл бұрын

I wonder just how much that helped Kate Mulgrew. Janeway was my favorite Captain, but without Troi in season 7, does Gene Roddenberry go for it the way he did?

@hmrobert7016

4 жыл бұрын

Adam Schmidt Roddenberry died during series 4 of TNG, before Voyager was made.

The episode Deanna becomes full commander.

She should have been like let me buy geordi a drink.

Geez, why not have Data do it? He isn't affected by radiation, and Geordi didn't seem to be in a big hurry to get there in the first place, so Data would've been the logical choice. Given that he is already qualified as 2nd Officer, it stands to reason he does have some engineering skills.

@angeledduirbonesu1989

2 жыл бұрын

The idea was to understand that in specific situations you have to do sacrifices in order to save the ship

@ChristopherStandardTime

2 жыл бұрын

data isn't in the simulation. the test is the will to send someone to their death.

@dumpeeplarfunny

2 жыл бұрын

I just watched an episode yesterday in season 6, the one with the exo comps, that said Data would be killed by radiation.

Counsellor Troi has abilities besides being window dressing in a tight outfit.

@tuchehstone

2 жыл бұрын

It took Captain Jellico to give her that nudge, forced her to reexamine her role on the Enterprise. I think that too factored in.

@exposingproxystalkingorgan4164

2 жыл бұрын

@@tuchehstone Yes Captain "hardass" Jellico caused Lieutenant Commander Troi to advance her Starfleet career and become a full Commander.

Agreed. Good points.

If Data was more ambitions he would of been a full Commander

@tyronedavis6031

4 жыл бұрын

He did. He asked Picard to get a ship of his own to command when they were trying to find that Romulun ship aiding the Duras sisters.

@BrentHarmon

3 жыл бұрын

@@tyronedavis6031 That was temporally. Data would have been made first officer in Nemesis.

@BedsitBob

2 жыл бұрын

Ambition is a human thing.

One man to save 1100 is an acceptable trade off.

@BedsitBob

2 жыл бұрын

If killing five people saves ten, it's a bargain. Is that your simple logic, Mister Howard? 😊

And of course, she eventually has to take the helm and crashes the ship.

I think her London accent was starting to come through the more irate she got!

My first duty is to the ship.

Howdja get the contrast and bright level like this?

I assume the only reason Worf was there was because the only other character was Data who as an Android could make the repair without being affected by radiation. In the simulation whoever is taking the test is Chief Engineer instead of Holo!Geordi. Real!Geordi would either send a subordinate as she did or volunteer to make the repair himself, real!Deanna couldn't actually order him to because she doesn't outrank him.

@jpv9653

3 жыл бұрын

rank and chain of command are two different things... so in a situation where she is assigned CO, she very well outranks Geordi.

@Geokinkladze

2 жыл бұрын

"Data who as an Android could make the repair without being affected by radiation." What's your source for this?

@Sovereign01

2 жыл бұрын

​@@Geokinkladze That he's an android or that radiation wouldn't affect him? 🤔 The Ensigns of Command for starters.

@Geokinkladze

2 жыл бұрын

@@Sovereign01 It's obvious to anyone with half a brain what I'm referring to. What's your source that the particular radiation wouldn't affect data?

@Sovereign01

2 жыл бұрын

@@Geokinkladze Evidently not. You asked for a source, I gave you one. Obviously you missed that particular episode.

How come those behind Star Trek never did this kind of test from the perspective of the one being given the order to sacrifice themselves after being given the order to do such a thing? Sure, the test for the one that gives the order is one thing, but the one that needs to take the order is clearly another.

Is it me, or did Riker sometimes looked and sounded arrogant in Star Trek The Next Generation

@Aity7

4 жыл бұрын

Sometimes ? 😁

@darkside_xposure

4 жыл бұрын

@@Aity7 ok, all the time! lol

@pwnmeisterage

4 жыл бұрын

"Arrogant" is a bit harsh. I'd describe Riker-Sue as "smug" and "condescending".

@paulthomas281

3 жыл бұрын

@@pwnmeisterage I'd rather be around someone more arrogant than more condescending.

@jerodast

3 жыл бұрын

@@paulthomas281 I actually find him smug most frequently, arrogant occasionally, and condescending only rarely, if that helps at all :P

If me, I would have had data do the repairs, did I pass?

Great clip and scene. I have to admit I don't think I could do it. I struggle even just thinking about a decision like that.

@johnchestnut5340

2 жыл бұрын

You could. Training and understanding surpass emotions. You can cry later. Work now or everyone dies. You didn't kill that man; you saved literally everyone except that man.

@neutrino78x

Жыл бұрын

@@driftztwoseven6370 "nless you are a machine or a very broken person, you cannot simply tell a friend to perform x task knowing they will die and then be fine with it." Yeah bro but in the military sometimes you have to make hard decisions like that. Source, I was in real Navy on submarines.

What episode is this? And what is it called?

@Mrdudeguy

5 жыл бұрын

thine own self

@okilodolicy

5 жыл бұрын

@@Mrdudeguy Thank you

What a cliffhanger! I want to know what happened to the cloth!

Which episode is that from?

In the British Navy no win the commander has no choice but To send to there death that’s there Duty

Like a BOSS

what was the cloth ??

This is a copy of Star Trek:The Next Generation as you can see with our own eyes and don't meet my highest expectations. ™ Please post only positive comments over here. ™

Plot Twist: It wasn't a simulation. Troi: "Geordi, as the only main black character in the room and the show (not counting Worf) I order you to save all the white people on the ship by sacrificing your life. I need you to do this so I can be a bridge officer. Thanks fam."

@user-do2ev2hr7h

2 жыл бұрын

TBH it seems like a rather stupid test. Even if she knows that's how to pass the simulation, that doesn't necessarily mean she'd be able and willing to actually order someone to do that in a real emergency.

@timobrenn

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-do2ev2hr7h I think the idea behind is more that you have to realise that that is an option, and in some cases the only option.

@jet5299

2 жыл бұрын

Sometimes you have to consider all the options. What is funny I don't think Picard should have ever passed that test. He has said countless times I will not sacrifice one for the many I wont make that choice

@johntrevy1

2 жыл бұрын

@@jet5299 Im all fairness, he has never been put in a no win scenario like that.

@jodywilke4642

2 жыл бұрын

What an ignorant comment. Some people will turn anything, into a Black Lives Matter debate, won't they?😒

But what about the cloth God Damnit?!!

they have warp drive and transporter beams etc... but dont have radiation suits??????

@chloe_speaks2384

4 жыл бұрын

Maybe he wouldn't have time to change.

@captainz9

4 жыл бұрын

He said it's "tight" but he could manage it.. maybe not with a radiation suit though.

@thejamesasher

4 жыл бұрын

@@captainz9 so after you tricked me into watching it again... he did not. you thor's adopted brother???

@chesskinge4648

4 жыл бұрын

They had force field generators during the original series cartoon! That would have protected him.

@got2kittys

4 жыл бұрын

The shields can stop torpedoes and photon beams but a personal radiation shield doesn't exist?

She really was unqualified she crashed the enterprise.....

She didn't make the hard choice. She didn't order anyone to their death. It was a hologram. Ok, it's a conceit for the story, but did anyone really get the impression that she had learned a lesson... other than Riker was right, and she should never be allowed into that role.

great scene - but I got a headache from watching it.

I blame Picard for this. He makes her think she can do more than what she does which is often saying, "Captain, I sense fear/anger." Totally useless.

Some one needs to promote data

Folding engine core complex box use mariarti

Ahh, yes. Commander Deanna "What's a Warp Core Breach?" Troi. It's insulting that she made commander before Data did. Data would have passed this scenario the very first time.

@alltheragegeorgepageakatheperv

4 жыл бұрын

Data not having any ambition never got promoted. Remember when Picard was taken by the Borg and Riker took command of the Enterprise. He made Shelby his #1 cause Data lacked the ambition and Worf was to emotional.

@tyronedavis6031

4 жыл бұрын

@@alltheragegeorgepageakatheperv He did actually. He asked Picard to get a ship of his own to command when they were trying to find that Romulun ship aiding the Duras sisters.

@nathanrobinson2130

4 жыл бұрын

@@alltheragegeorgepageakatheperv Maybe you should try watching the series. When Data wasn't assigned a command when Starfleet was trying to blockade the Romulans from giving aid to the Duras family, he gave Picard hell about it until he was. And when his subsequent first officer was a prejudiced scumbag, he not only denied his resignation, he also threatened to relieve him of command. He was 10X the leader that Troi was. When your ship's antimatter containment is failing, you don't want someone with ambition but no practical leadership. You want Data.

@Dan-vo7vc

4 жыл бұрын

When you enter the military with a professional degree, you immediately begin with an officer rank. Like medical doctor (Lt. Cmdr.) or attorney (Lt.). She was a psychologist (PhD) on entering Starfleet with at least 5 years in before being assigned to the flagship. Proving here that if she can also pilot, solve engineering problems, and run tactical programs, that means she can do most jobs on the ship.... but no else is qualified to do hers. Also, those superhuman mental abilities probably don't hurt.

@Sovereign01

3 жыл бұрын

Being an android, Data could have easily made the repair himself since he wouldn't have been affected by the radiation.

I really wish people would stop making videos with their phones, and putting them on KZread. It's better just to watch the show.

This episode is the shit.

Never point a camera at a tv screen.

@johnchestnut5340

2 жыл бұрын

Why? Taking a picture of a picture is legal not violating copyright.

@billjenkins687

7 ай бұрын

True, But the video quality sucks and it's a waste of the viewer's time.

Ordering a friend to die that's tough no wonder military guys go crazy after combat.

@calhoun24

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, but noting that she ran through every other alternative in that simulation and failed, it was the only option left.

@vivi44

2 жыл бұрын

Chruchhill through lives around like scraps on his plate. He slept like a baby. It's very easy once you detatch yourself from your troops. They are numbers or "Boots/Bodies" On the ground. Not people.

@fsikijelfes8660

2 жыл бұрын

@DriftZ TwoSeven lol true

So if this is what must be done why didn't Kirk order Scotty or someone to make those repairs in Wrath of Khan?

@matthewcorcoran2891

4 жыл бұрын

William Fetters Very good point. It’s just more script inconsistencies with Star Trek. If you look back the whole series is full of them.

@luvmenow33

4 жыл бұрын

@@matthewcorcoran2891 Agreed. But you always gotta check if there's a cannon reason first

@luvmenow33

4 жыл бұрын

@@matthewcorcoran2891 like , maybe no human could have withstood the raidation long enought to fix it. But Spock knew being a Vulcan, he could take it long enough to get the mains back online so he just ran down there and did it. Lol , sounds better then , cause the story says so.

@matthewcorcoran2891

4 жыл бұрын

William Fetters Very true, Vulcans are more resilient than Humans. There could always be a cannon reason, for some of the decisions that they have made.

@jerodast

4 жыл бұрын

That was almost 100 years ago. Maybe they added it to the test since then.

I have coded this peice of cloth...

Hmmm...I think I'd be a terrific Bridge Officer. I'd have no problems ordering crew members to their deaths so long as it wasn't me! Wouldn't lose an ounce of sleep over it either lol.

@Sovereign01

3 жыл бұрын

Only if they're nameless redshirts! 😁

@johnnyfreeman1018

3 жыл бұрын

You are one selfless potential star fleet officer my friend....starfleet needs a man like you....👊

@EGarrett01

3 жыл бұрын

You sound like you wouldn't bother to figure out if it was a last resort, which would be a problem, haha.

This was a big deal for Marina as an actress as well.....more than just being somebody who feels everything, her character here works to become on equal footing with her fellow officers, in terms of intelligence and leadership

Sending hologram to die is easy

@BedsitBob

2 жыл бұрын

Reading Klingon, That's hard. 😊

Why is there a sofa in her hair?

Deanna Troi makes a better acting Captain later on...

Tekwar shatner

They should have made her an officer waaaay earlier in the show. Maybe then she would have gotten some actual character development before, you know, the FINAL season!

@jeffburnham6611

2 жыл бұрын

She was an officer, with the rank of Lt Commander. This was to see if she could stand a bridge watch if necessary and take command of the ship if all the other senior officers were dead or incapacitated.

how the hell was Troi promoted pass Data and Geordi ?

@shiningarmor2838

4 жыл бұрын

Troi is in a different branch of the chain of command. Geordi is still the chief engineer, and Data is still the second officer of the ship even if Troi technically outranks them.

@adamjacobschmidt

4 жыл бұрын

@@shiningarmor2838 Agreed. I think of her as a "Staff officer" rather than a "Line Officer". Her education as a counselor helped earn the rank of LCDR. Similar to a recent med school grad joining the Navy and starting out at a LCDR or even CDR. I served several JAG attorneys in the Navy. Very similar set up

@LCBanga

3 жыл бұрын

@@adamjacobschmidt I've heard that. If you have a law degree and agree to join the JAG corps the give you an instant promotion to Lt Jr Grade coming into the Navy.

That’s cheating

@joannross8412

4 жыл бұрын

I was wondering about that....

@calhoun24

3 жыл бұрын

Not necessarily. Will just reminded Deanna of his duty. Of every bridge officer’s duty. To the safety of the ship that they’re commanding, and all the souls on it. We’ve seen it right Star Trek history with other scenarios. On Voyager with the Maquis simulation on the holodeck and DS9 with Red Squad in command of the Valiant. In both cases, the commanding officers in charge of those ships were more interested in either going out in a blaze of glory or accomplishing a mission, no matter the cost. In both cases, whether it was simulation or real life combat, it cost and the lives of their crews. In both those scenarios, retreat was the viable tactical option. Although that ideal option is different from what happened here, the philosophy is the same. Your first duty when you’re in command is to make sure that as many of your people stay alive. Sometimes that means a retreat, and in this case, that means ordering someone to their death to save over 1000 souls.

Yay you sent a holographic projection to their death, clearly you’re ready for command

@dhinton1

4 жыл бұрын

Deanna actually proved she was ready for command when she was in charge of the bridge a year prior and had to make decisions that could have resulted in the destruction of the ship.

@dhinton1

4 жыл бұрын

and Deanna also proved it when she was kidnapped by Romulans (earlier in this season, I do believe)

@pooppoop6546

4 жыл бұрын

Being responsible for deaths is a part of command

@adamjacobschmidt

4 жыл бұрын

Deanna takes things so seriously that sending the holographic projection to it's death was just as real to her.

@adamjacobschmidt

4 жыл бұрын

Season 7, Troi is the best female first officer I can think of. I still haven't seen Discovery though.

Behind every strong "independent" woman, there is a network of men helping her every step of the way🤣💖

@spaceclaw1958

4 жыл бұрын

Ironic that you've named yourself "sith"is , since you seem to cling to hate like it genuinely gives you space-magic.

@fredocarroll

4 жыл бұрын

Oh, fuck off. Like men are any different.

@BeholdMyStrength

4 жыл бұрын

@Sithis Watchout, can't make a joke about a woman, you'll have all the white knights like SpaceClaw and fredocarroll popping out of the woodwork to tell you how you're not woke!

@fredocarroll

4 жыл бұрын

@@BeholdMyStrength I didn't say anything about being "woke." Don't put words in my mouth. And I don't mind jokes that are funny, rather than sexist and dismissive.

@BeholdMyStrength

4 жыл бұрын

@@fredocarroll 😭😭😭😭

Troi......Totally useless.

It's very sad that such an intellectual show could have fans that think it's acceptable to AIM A CAMERA AT THEIR TV to record video. It's not even primitive it's just *wrong*. There are so many better ways of recording television...

@mattbartley2843

4 жыл бұрын

Enjoy the Moire patterns and acoustic reflections? At least it looked like frame rates were somehow synchronized.

@andrewedmonds5771

4 жыл бұрын

Also, the heavy breathing?

@wileywilson

2 жыл бұрын

@@andrewedmonds5771. And that lorry going past.