Firing the Moncrieff Disappearing Gun at Crownhill Fort
The first firing of the Moncrieff Disappearing Gun at Crownhill Fort since 2010. The gun and carriage have been restored to working order by a team of volunteers. This firing took place on Firepower Day, a public event that runs every May at the Fort
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This Gun will be fired at a special event on the evening of Wednesday 10th May 2023. Tickets will go on sale at Easter
@Coreybug
Жыл бұрын
Is this animated?
@stevenwarne69
Жыл бұрын
@@Coreybug no?
@lordwolffurry582
Жыл бұрын
@@Coreybug is your brain working?
@dah9vandals
Жыл бұрын
can we shoot it at my exes house?
@stevenwarne69
Жыл бұрын
@@dah9vandals lol
So, just want to see if I've got this right. Back when this gun would have been in use, you would have had a full team working to reload the gun and raise it up but you didn't have to worry about bringing it back down because the recoil of the gun did it for you. That's actually pretty clever!
@ruststar
Жыл бұрын
You are 100% correct
@zabdas83
Жыл бұрын
Means crew are protected from small arms etc while reloading! Genius. . .
@garrettdemoss9465
Жыл бұрын
You wouldn't have needed to raise it all the way either due to its bordering on counter weight design. Only about half way before it went into place.
@barneylinet6602
Жыл бұрын
An artillery piece crew is a wonder to watch. Every movement is choreographed; the choregraphy is based on speed and safety. There are drill manuals that specify each position and the duty of each artilleryman.
@GpunktHartman
Жыл бұрын
... boaring ... why not a full load ... my muzzleloderrifle is louder!
Spoiler - does not disappear
@aaronrosner8446
4 жыл бұрын
It has no projectile
@curlybrownliz
3 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately blank charges do not produce the intended recoil. If we were to load a projectile the residents of suburban Plymouth might have cause for complaint!
@jacjumpin7471
Жыл бұрын
Id be afraid that thing would explode
@Schismarch
Жыл бұрын
This comment almost makes up for it not disappearing.
@SotEnjoyer113
Жыл бұрын
It’s called that because, with a projectile firing out if it, the opposite reaction would be gun recoil in which it would send the gun below the wall into its resting position where the enemy could not see it.
I realize that the firinmg is just a small portion of the original charge but if you put in some wadding it will give an actual bang rather than a "Whoosh." A bag of dry corn (maize) meal will give just enough resistance to give a good bang but no down range projectile (it MUST be dry). Also, using a welding mixture of oxygen and acetylene win the chamber will give a very satisfying bang with practically zero internal pressure.
@skinniestfatman5641
Жыл бұрын
Dont think they can do this as crownhill is surrounded by houses
@stephenclarke4675
Жыл бұрын
Damp squid :)
@macattack9041
Жыл бұрын
Noise. Ordinance.
@Useaname
Жыл бұрын
Ordnance
@bertiewooster3326
Жыл бұрын
@@skinniestfatman5641 Don't see why not.
Amazing that the original gun, AND ORIGINAL CREW are manning it. They look great for 210 years old
A similar gun was purchased by New Zealand to defend Wellington city it sat for nearly fifty years and in the 1930s a scrap dealer turned up in a small truck took the base and they buried the gun my best guess is that it's under the pohutakawa trees near the steps to the war memorial . I was drilling for geo technical data and nearly every hole an old boy would approach me and ask if I've found the gun yet
@heuhen
Жыл бұрын
how big is that gun? Do they know if they managed to lift the gun out, or they managed to tip it over the wall, when it was in an upraised position. do people know what direction it went down the hill, if it did (what is the chance that it might have managed to get all the way down (mass in movement) What is the chance for he come back at a later time and dug it up again (metal is money)
@bgreen8853
Жыл бұрын
@@heuhen apparently tipped the gun off straight into a pre dug hole but your right that was 90 years ago he could have came back for it shame really
@andrebartels1690
Жыл бұрын
That's a crying shame.
@JasonWW2000
Жыл бұрын
So are you saying they sold the gun to a scrap dealer or that the scrap dealer stole it?
@bgreen8853
Жыл бұрын
@@JasonWW2000 the gun was located in buckle street which was an army base and many years later became a police headquarters only 20m away from where the gun would have been they were still hanging people for crimes so I'm assuming the scrap dealer was a decent chap
It's remarkable to think that in a combat situation this weapon which can deal such devastating firepower would be exposed to its enemy for only seconds at a time before vanishing to relative safety for reload. The gun would be rolled up and almost immediately recoiled back down as it fired.
@machintelligence
Жыл бұрын
The safety was only relative. The “bombs bursting in air” would have put a lot of shrapnel down in that pit.
@briananthony4044
Жыл бұрын
Wouldn't have made it accurate, you'd be lucky to hit your target after firing hundreds of rounds.
@heuhen
Жыл бұрын
these guns had a rate of fire of : 1 rounds per minute, sometimes 0.5 rounds per minute. (for both 8 inch version and 16 inch version), while German 15 inch guns had a firing rate of 2.5 rounds per minute (as standard). For example HMS Warspite 15 inch guns had a rate of fire of 2 rounds per minute (but there have been situation, where there was reports of 2 rounds per minute.
@Stale_Mahoney
Жыл бұрын
@@heuhen speaking of guns half a century newer is of little concern, like saying how obsolete todays military is compared to the new 2070 military in 50 years
@g.t.richardson6311
Жыл бұрын
@@machintelligence while somewhat true the guns of the 4 fortified islands in Manila bay fired almost up to the last days before surrender in may 1942 . Some were knocked out, but not most. Many of them were same type as this. Also a large contingent of 12 inch sea coast mortars. The problem was they were made to fire at ships coming from South China Sea, not land targets. Much of the ammunition was useless for that.
Pretty neat, if a little disappointing. I wish we still had some of our disappearing guns here at Fort Stevens on the Oregon coast.
@clutchpedalreturnsprg7710
Жыл бұрын
I wish we still had some of our disappearing guns here at Fort Crockett on the Gulf coast.
@lanedexter6303
Жыл бұрын
Fort Casey& Fort Worden in Washington
@d.s.parentsr6502
Жыл бұрын
@@lanedexter6303I immediately thought of Fort Worden as well. I love that place. So strange that we both found this 4-year-old video on the same day.
@FishKepr
Жыл бұрын
@@lanedexter6303 There are examples at Fort Casey, but only empty bunkers at Fort Worden. BTW, the guns at Fort Casey were not original to the fort but were imported from the Philippines after WW2. If you go there you will find damage to them from American aircraft. The breach blocks are also missing as they were dropped in the ocean on the way to WA.
@lanedexter6303
Жыл бұрын
@@FishKepr interesting, thanks! I remember going to Fort Casey years ago, and being fascinated by the mechanism of those guns. Too bad we can never see them in operation. Those forts could have truly commanded that strait before aircraft carrier warfare evolved.
By the time it is ready to fire, the gunners had forgotten why they wanted to fire it.
@briansharp4388
Жыл бұрын
Was gonna say....even without all the explanation, civilian volunteers, your target better not be moving too fast...
@bigredc222
Жыл бұрын
A trained crew can do it a heck of a lot faster.
@hoosierplowboy5299
Жыл бұрын
🤙😂
@garrettdemoss9465
Жыл бұрын
Considering how state of the art this was when it was made, with a fully trained crew this would have been a rather rapid firing piece of artillery for its day.
@heuhen
Жыл бұрын
Just some extra info: Some British disappearing 8 inch guns had a firing rate of 1 round/minutes sometimes 0.5 round/minutes. The weird things is the bigger 16 inch guns version had a firing rate of right around 1 round/minute. The rate of fire was a big disadvantage of these guns, specially when a Battleship 15 inch guns, like those on HMS Warspite firing 2 round/minutes. Have heard stories about they do 3 rounds/minutes, in some situation, but 2 rounds/minutes are the normal for battleships. A British 8 inch cruiser guns could fire between 3 to 6 rounds/minute. HMS Belfast 6 inch guns had between 6-8 rounds/minutes. (Note: Nelson class battleship, had 1.5 rounds/minute) (Note: German Bismarck class battleships 15 inch guns had 2.5-3 rounds/minute, while WW1 Baden class battleships fired 2.5 rounds a minute)
Okay. When you realize, the Dahlgrens on the Monitor...fired 500lb. Shot...and this gun is still a monster.
@owendigity1581
Жыл бұрын
When you realize, 10 years ago buy powder and caps
@lanequick7451
Жыл бұрын
I think the Yamato fired shells weighing over 3,000lb and could accurately hit targets over 20 miles away. Naval gun technology is awesome
@miafillene4396
Жыл бұрын
@@lanequick7451 what is amazing is we went from muzzle loading balls of solid iron, to precision guided munitions, within 100 years.
I wanted to know what this was for years and now KZread magically supplies the answer. Amazing.
I was under the impression that there was a counterweight which automatically raised the gun into battery when a brake / lock was released rather than having to 'pump' it up into battery.
@crownhillfort2061
Жыл бұрын
There is a 5.5 ton counterweight at the front of the Gun, the two people on the wooden bars get the system to its tipping point where gravity takes over
@RennieAsh
Жыл бұрын
I guess the goal is that it stays down easier once the recoil puts it there. Otherwise if you miss the brake then it's stuck up in the danger zone and you have to "pump it down"
Just think someone thought that whole thing up with no computer to help. Amazing stuff
@Kinsanth_
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, a pivoting gun, thats really remarkable indeed
@airmanfpv964
Жыл бұрын
@@Kinsanth_ my little ponie pfp, opinion discarded.
@Kinsanth_
Жыл бұрын
@@airmanfpv964 another person, which doesnt like the taste of other people. You really should learn to at least tolerate others, when you are incapable of accepting them, that would show mininal respect to others. And your lashing out on others is a sign, that you just want others to feel more bad than yourself. How about working out your own issues instead of bothering others? That would really help out in the long run
@loganwalker8537
Жыл бұрын
@@Kinsanth_ well, i cant say much can i, not only is my pfp anime but its yuri and genshin impact yuri Though i did get bored of the game
@grafton5696
Жыл бұрын
Average KZread argument
I remember going here as a kid and walking through the tunnels, struggling with an Enfield rifle. Such a beautiful place to visit, hopefully I'll get down there again this year.
Was based in Crownhill Fort early 70s, fantastic Fort ❤️🇬🇧
I was watching this video and then my neighbour came and we watched it together. He said that this video changed his life and touched his heart. I then went and rented a projector in a big field and all my villagers watched it and it changed their lives too. We all are so grateful. Thank You for this video….
@avgastas1515
Жыл бұрын
What?
I mean, just a great video!! Never seen this, always wanted too. Thank you soooo much!
My grandfather served in WW2 and he always told me he'd rather go back to the Pacific front again before he'd fight in something like the Civil War. He always said "I never had to stand in a line and and watch a cannon lay fire on on my comrads. There were a lot of times I felt helpless but I don't think anything would make me feel more helpless than that." I think it was a way that he coped with his service because he always talked about the different kinds of wars he wouldn't want to fight in and would rather do his service all over again
This was absolutely amazing I'd love to have seen it fire an actual projectile. As a former soldier nothing warms the heart more than seeing an old gun like this from the war still being able to fire an actual projectile. Is there ANY way I could come down to the fort and we can fire an actual projectile out of this beauty?
@crownhillfort2061
Жыл бұрын
We would love to see the Gun fire a projectile but given its location in the middle of a city that will never happen
@desirayelawrence9676
Жыл бұрын
@@crownhillfort2061 oh my yea I thought the Fort was further away from any cities my bad! Still an amazing sight to witness such an amazing piece of engineering and craftsmanship
Fired like a champ. Still got it. Really cool.
Cover your ears! psst lol. The 110 pounder Armstrong breech loading rifled gun. Unfortunately a failure. The shell was put in, then gunpowder in bags, the sliding wedge was closed against the breech, the screw was turned to hold it in place, the gun was fired, the gases leaked back past the beech choking the gunners, then after a few firings the breech sliding block fractured and blew out of the gun killing some more crew. So the British navy went back to the muzzle loading rifled gun. Today many guns use the sliding wedge type beech, BUT the powder is in brass (or is it bronze) casings, when the power ignites, the casing expands against the side of the barrel sealing it. Often seen in field howitzers.
was looking forward watching the reload process
The firing is AWESOME at ¼ speed.
There is a system of three forts along the Delaware River that had these guns, Fort Mott in New Jersey, Fort Delaware which is on a island in the river and Delaware city in Delaware, I think any ships trying to get up the river would have been in for a bad time.
Excellent display old boy.
amazing it looks very similar to our guns at port fairy Victoria Australia which were ever only fired once at anger. and that was at a pub. i dont know the full story but it was late 1800's and warrnambool was having training / competition for there gun crews firing out to sea, port fairy afterward when to the kirkstall pub? and basically got kicked out, they were a little drunk and annoyed and went back to their guns and loaded a shot and fired it towards the pub they were kicked out of. from what i was told the shot landed a few hundred yards short of the pub. (it was a several km shot). im so glad im a port fairy local :)
@jonathantan2469
Жыл бұрын
There are other disappearing guns at Queenscliffe & Fort Nepean, on both ends of the capes around Port Phillip Bay. I'm not sure if the gun itself is still at Fort Nepean, but the emplacement is certainly there.
@msmeyersmd8
Жыл бұрын
😂
@johnv341
6 ай бұрын
The Port Fairy guns are 80 pr Armstrong muzzle loaders. The one in the video appears to be a 110 pr breech loader, also Armstrong.
That’s pretty cool I can’t imagine there are that many disappearing mounts left in the world
@con.troller4183
Жыл бұрын
There's actually dozens of them. We just keep losing sight of them.
@jabberwocky1707
Жыл бұрын
@@con.troller4183 You mean ..... they keep disappearing? 🙊
@con.troller4183
Жыл бұрын
@@jabberwocky1707 ba-DUM... pish!
Fort Rodd Hill near Victoria BC had three disappearing mount guns, intended to guard the roughly 20-mile wide Strait of Juan de Fuca from unwanted intrusions. They were still in place in WW2, due to a lack or replacements. Unfortunately, none are left for display in what is now a park.
Fantastic to see the real thing - we have lots of these emplacements round here, but no guns.
Yeah suspect it was tad louder in service. Is that one of those projectiles that the target could see coming. Can't imagine.
I loved it it was wonderful I never seen nothing like it I have no words
@jvon3885
Жыл бұрын
You actually had 16 words....just sayin....
Not having the disappearing gun disappear is unsatisfactory but still cool tech and video!
I've seen old film of these, and we used to some of these, albeit bigger, at Fort McArthur in California. But, I had no idea there was one of these that was still operational.
Last of the summer wine crew fires a huge gun!
I can't believe how many people did not comprehend what was said during the video 😳🙃🙄
@Triggernlfrl
Жыл бұрын
Not every one can understand a foreign language...
@wizardapprenticeIV
Жыл бұрын
@@Triggernlfrl but they know it well enough to comment in it?
@urmum3773
Жыл бұрын
@@Triggernlfrl He says, in English
Obviously 99% of the people watching this have no idea what was involved with loading and firing heavy artillery back in the old days. Yes, it took work. No, you could not fire very fast. They expected that and felt it was worth it for the huge damage done on each shot and the long range. The 11 inch guns on the USS Monitor took like 15 minutes to load. A typical naval gun on a normal mount recoiled on its carriage and had to be hauled back into firing position with block and tackle every time you fired it. This was actually easier.
@partyrobbins4690
Жыл бұрын
We definitely have it easier with the M109 paladin.
This kind of advantage could still be useful in many modern conflicts
@Yawyna124
Жыл бұрын
The reason they fell out of fashion is largely due to planes and improvements in naval gunnery fire rate.
According to the late great weapons author Ian Hogg the man in charge of coastal guns around the US shores used his position to order loads of disappearing gun mounts because they were of a design he had shares in, so making money over the best interest of his country. He also had a personal dislike of Lewis of "Lewis Gun" fame and had American troops going to the Western front in WW1 denied their machine guns for a notably poor French weapon, until he was removed and their Lewis Guns were returned. What a patriot!
Do they still have an ordinance for it? Would love a live fire demonstration of the range it has
@dogsnads5634
Жыл бұрын
It's in the middle of the city of Plymouth...
@Pineapple-co6fe
Жыл бұрын
@@dogsnads5634 so?
@randomthingsposted583
Жыл бұрын
@@Pineapple-co6fe sooo, what goes up must come down
@Pineapple-co6fe
Жыл бұрын
@@randomthingsposted583 exactly
@user-vc8lu9eb1l
Жыл бұрын
Yup,they just posted it on top of comment chain
The thing I hate about the modern world, is that we never do the awesome things we would all love to see. I know all of us would like to see that gun fire a real non exploding projectile. I always get bummed out with these neutered displays
@dogsnads5634
Жыл бұрын
To be fair it is in the middle of a city...firing a projectile in any direction will kill a lot of people...
@loganwalker8537
Жыл бұрын
@@dogsnads5634 isnt that a naval gun? Wouldnt it be facing the ocean?
@jerrywatt6813
Жыл бұрын
@@loganwalker8537 yes I say let one fly blody hell life just isn't fun anymore all you'll do is kill some fish ha ha !
@battalion151R
Жыл бұрын
A big cork with a string attached would work. 🤭
@forgetfulpriestiv14
Жыл бұрын
@@dogsnads5634 this is a navel gun........ That shoots at ships....... In the ocean........
Fort DeRussy in Waikiki, Hawaii had 14" Naval guns, not disappearing, and in a much larger and deeper emplacements. After the attack on Pearl Harbor they were test fired and ended up blowing out many windows at neighboring hotels and businesses. They were never fired again and removed in 1950. Wish they had kept one for historical purposes.
Glad to see the directors of the Blair witch project still making movies
Oh hey they got it working. I came down here with the Palmerston Artillery volunteers in 2013 but sadly it was very stiff and no matter what we tried it was near impossible to move. I think we came to the conclussion the paint on the gun had fouled the gear teeth.
That's pretty cool
Is the cargo shorts and dad shirt period correct
Intriguing weapon system
My God, Its Cpl. Jones from Dads Army!!!
From were i live an old fort have this type of guns its been used in ww2 its much bigger and longer barrel, some people call it *peek a boo* gun
I have a feeling the enemy is going to know something is up when the gun slowly creeps up. "Oi!!! Look over there, a gun a popping up!"
@wizardapprenticeIV
Жыл бұрын
I imagine a full Royal Artillery crew would bring it into position a damn sight faster, Also by the looks of it this may be black powder, so it would cause a rather large cloud of smoke that would conceal the gun, I saw one comment saying it can manage around 1 shot per minute, So I doubt the smoke would clear that quickly, especially after a few shots. Also the enemy assaulting the fort would have more things to worry about, plus the Fort is uphill of any assaulting army, so you probably wouldn't get that good of a look at the thing when in the firing position.
@KirkHermary
Жыл бұрын
@god is dead I don't know much about this place. However near Victoria, BC, Canada(or if a person knows CFB Esquimalt), there's an old British defensive post. It's a historic site know, Fort Rodd Hill. I toured around there and there are several spots similar to this pit. Perhaps that fort had similar guns to the one shown in this video. 🤔
"A disappearing gun, a gun mounted on a disappearing carriage, is an obsolete type of artillery which enabled a gun to hide from direct fire and observation. The overwhelming majority of carriage designs enabled the gun to rotate backwards and down behind a parapet, or into a pit protected by a wall, after it was fired" - Wikipedia
very interesting
Never ceases to amaze me, these groups, all dedicated, preserving and demonstrating great bits of kit, then they go and find the least able in their group to do the camera work.
I saw these at Fort Scratchley, in Australia
Witam. Wooo ładnie wystrzeliło. Jeden z fajniejszych filmów amatorskich jakie widziałem. Pozdrawiam.
Would a water balloon work to impart recoil and the water disperse so no danger at a distance?
"Squirrel!!! It's heading straight for us!!!"
Disappearing Gun: simple cannon of yesteryear.
Where exactly is this place? Country? State? Continent?
@curlybrownliz
3 жыл бұрын
This is Crownhill Fort, Plymouth, UK.
@grigorirasputin5020
3 жыл бұрын
@@curlybrownliz Thank You! Quite interesting!
@garethblake544
Жыл бұрын
Crown Hill Fort is located at Plymouth which is in Devon UK.
Lots of work, little bang
That laugh at 0:20 though 🤣🤣🤣
I was stationed at Crownhill (Seaton) barracks with the RM back in the 80's. Has that gun always been there? If so, it's a pretty far from the shore
Gotta have one!!
Crowd forms to watch flatulent gun relieve itself and listen to people talk about what is not going to happen. It’s a health and safety orgasm to be proud of.
This type of cannon earn the nickname “Crawling Tiger” in my local language.
What is the distance it can cover?
Ole Jerry wouldn’t get out of the firing zone so they had to delay…bless his heart - he kept climbing onto the gun lol
Good video thanks a lot. May I suggest an intro to advise people of gun type, location etc ?
@crownhillfort2061
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the suggestion, Landmark has a digital content manager and I am sure she can work her magic on this video
@SotEnjoyer113
Жыл бұрын
Well the gun type is in the description and if I had to guess it’s at crow hill fort, hence the uploaded name
@kutter_ttl6786
Жыл бұрын
From the main title and description we can determine the following: Gun Type: Moncrieff Disappearing Gun Location: Crownhill Fort (Plymoth). The gun itself is a replica as all Moncrieff guns were dismantled in the early 1900s. It's a 7-in gun, and the original gun had a weight of 7-tons.
I had a toy version of this gun concept back in the early 50's.
How long did it take a fully trained gun crew to do a full battery?
May I ask what the "two-six" exclamation stands for when hauling a gun? I think it has to do with smoothbore guns of the age of sails, but I can't find any info...
@georgeallen7101
Жыл бұрын
A navy hauling isum. Instead of saying the timing as “two three !“ , which is what the army did . The Royal Navy thought they were twice as good, so they said “two six!”……….,
@btbplanevids
Жыл бұрын
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two_six_heave
@mariosebastiani3214
Жыл бұрын
@@btbplanevids Thanks for the reference!
@user-ro3wl6vj6g
Жыл бұрын
Two and six were members of a numbered gun crew,so they said two six to pull the gun forward after loading in a wooden sailing ship.then it became the norm for any thing in the Royal navy that required muscle
Deadly game of "peak-a-boo"
The faint sound of birdsong before the gun fired felt quite poignant
The FDC must have a easy job of giving data for targets. If it never moves they probably just have a bunch of pre arranged coordinate’s.
Neat design! Do you know of any such designs ever accidentally fired before being put in the raised position? I can imagine that would have been a very... unpleasant experience for the gun crews.
NOVA, he said it wasn't gonna go down because they weren't firing a projectile. Pay attention. Now, I like how he went up the first time and said this was the most dangerous place because he could be shot at yet it took him a long damn time to hook up whatever he needed to hook up. What makes no sense is why didny they just put armor where the guy needed to stand.
@griffinmckenzie7203
Жыл бұрын
You realize this man is old, right?
@budisutanto5987
Жыл бұрын
the armor need to be the same level as the wall, then what's the point? Notice the gun at 'disappear' stage. Portable shield 🛡️ makes more sense. At 'appear' stage, in battle, probably he do it real quick while crotching or using long stick
@briananthony4044
Жыл бұрын
He was puting in the fuse through the priming hole into the powder in the gun I think. That would be done when the gun was in the lowered position I would think in a war situation.
What was wrong that there was such a delay between the primer and the main charge? Was the powder wet?
@jackwood8307
Жыл бұрын
I think it may have been due the type of propellant. If it was black powder in the charge it burns at a much slower rate than modern ones. Just a thought, not an expert.
@ZephodBeeblebrox
Жыл бұрын
@@jackwood8307 It should have been instantaneous - not a second or two delay but more like 1/1000 second delay. If you're shooting at a moving target such as a ship then that could be moving at 20mph. By the time a 1 second delay has happened, the ship has moved considerably. In my example, the ship would have moved 30 feet. Thus the shot would likely miss if the ship was a 60 footer and you aimed dead center.
@leehoughton9068
Жыл бұрын
The delay is caused by the primer setting of a powder trail to the main charge which with no projectile to build pressure against only burns. The black powder substitute is not an explosive but a propellant so rapidly burns rather then detonates.
One 12 inch Naval Disappearing Gun can be found in Battery Crocket Corregidor, Philippines.
Considering all the moving part that thing didn't budge when it was shot!
Someone should’ve prematurely yelled out FIRE! 😂😂😂
@goodbarbenie5477
Жыл бұрын
As them Yanks say, fire in the hole... Hahaa
Interesting stuff. I'd like to go see all those forts one of these days.
My surname is Moncrief. This was cool
This is hilarious. File under Monty Pythonesque. The entire point of this gun was that it would be fast and nimble, firing on the enemy and then disappearing before counter-battery could return fire. The recoil of the gun actuated the 'hiding' mechanism that retracted the gun vertically into it's hidy-hole. The pace at which it would have been fired in WW2 in contrast to the video - I am sure was quite different. Good bloody show tho lads - hopefully you can now get back to the barracks canteen for tea and biscuits!!
@Yawyna124
Жыл бұрын
Unfortunately, these guns largely fell out of fashion in WWI with the invention of aerial warfare and with improvements to naval gunnery. The only time at which they were used in WWII afaik was in the Philippines in the old and outdated batteries.
1:01 That toddler is in for one big wakeup call.🤣
Cool
I'd love to see this gun firing in a semi realistic scenario, instead I get to see the home guard firing blanks that cause zero recoil or a "hidden gun".
This is very similar to the canons at Fort Casey Washington, USA.
Wait..someone has to be up top to fire it? Please tell me I misunderstood the guy. 0:30
A fulcrum lever would be the best choice then multi manual motion.
When he said they'll need volunteers to bring it back down I couldn't have raised my hand fast enough! Like that nerd in homeroom who sat up front! "Oh Oh Oh pick me pick me!!!"
A question, please. How quickly could this gun be fired, reloaded, raised into position, and re-fired? It was a remarkable piece of artillery, so I imagine that, with a crack crew manning her, it would be quick indeed.
@carlwheezerofsouls3273
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i wouldn’t expect more than eight rounds a minute coming out of the barrel, even with a team of superhumans.
@garrettdemoss9465
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@@carlwheezerofsouls3273 yeah even with super man helping you couldn't get 8 rounds a minute. That would be just under 8 seconds to load a massive projectile and its charge, prime it, raise it back up, resight it and fire. These guns had a rate of fire of like 1 maybe 2 rounds a minute with a well rounded crew. These are actually slower then the fixed guns. The only real advantage is the guncrew (other then the sergeant who has to go up and sight it) is not exposed to small arms and most shrapnel.
@briananthony4044
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A round per minute maybe, that was the firing rate when fired on a ship. Raising the gun slows it down. Once down, a wet sponge must be rammed in the barrel to put out any sparks, then a spiral hook is rammed in to clear out any deposits stuck on the sides of the barrel that a shell might became jammed against, the barrel is rammed again to dry everything off, then the 110 pound shell is lifted to the barrel by several men and rammed in, then the powder bags are inserted and rammed in behind the shell, then the heavy breech block slide into place, then the screw is set against the block, then the fuse is inserted into the priming hole, then the gun needs to be raised, then aimed, then finally fired. A long process.
@heuhen
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The rate of fire of a disappearing 8 inch gun back then was from 0.5 -1 rounds per minute, a 16 inch version could do 1 rounds per minutes. that is as fast as you can get them. compare it to a Cruiser from that era, they could fire 3-6 rounds a minute. A German 15 inch battleship guns could do 2.5 round per minute, while British 15 inch could do 2 rounds per minute (that is the numbers in the book). What hurt the rate of fire of these disappearing guns, was because they was disappearing guns. you had to load it - then lift it up - fire it - wait for it to come down - lock it -open it up - clean out - load again - lift it up again - fire - repeat. While a normal gun, only needed to angle it's gun down to 1-5 degree angle for it's re-load, between firing, no waiting for the gun to get in firing position or coming back down.
That's kind of cool actually when was this machinery built? Pre auto pistol? I feel like it's an early show of that sort of mechanism.
@Yawyna124
Жыл бұрын
The main period of prevalence for disappearing gun carriages is the 19th century, so aye.
@mybuickskill6979
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@@Yawyna124🤗 John moses browning was apparently very keen
I guarantee this video does no justice at all on how loud this actually would have been in person. I bet it was deafening!!
What gun is that
I wish there was a replica for the battery at ft Morgan Alabama
Where I’m from there’s already a bunch of guns in moncrief
They only get one shot with it. Then it has to be replaced, because It disappears?
Fifty houses are leveled. "Johnny?! Whut thu?!" "Oops, Pop. I dropped me bowling ball in there this morning. I meant to tell you. Really I did..."
When you and a buddy want to play hide the howitzer
And you didn’t film the part where they pulled it down? Interesting
As a Mclean, I approve of firing upon any McDonald’s